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Pick 34
Apr 26, 2024 21:04:50 GMT -5
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Post by thejuice on Apr 26, 2024 21:04:50 GMT -5
Patrick Paul
6-8 331 5.13 forty 29.0 vertical 30 bench 7.65 cone 4.71 shuttle 86 ¼ wingspan 36 ¼ arms Caedan Wallace
6-5 314 5.15 forty 31.0 vertical No bench 7.73 cone 4.96 shuttle 82 5/8 wingspan 34 arms Not even sure he's a tackle, if he struggles they'll have to move him inside. Look at the ^ wingspan disparity. His mobility isn't good. His vertical (explosion) is good and his forty is good... beyond that he didn't bench which is problematic. If he's weak, he'll be a bench player this season. This seems like they realized they screwed up after a massive run on tackles and in desperation took a guy. Not according to Wolf…athletic enough to play LT says the collaboration station!
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 26, 2024 21:05:19 GMT -5
at least it’s not a N’keal Harry pick 🤮 He's a 4.5 forty receiver who according to his draft profile has trouble separating... he's shorter N'Keal. Just a dumb pick... I disagree. I think the Bills pick Keon Coleman gave me N’Keal Harry vibes.
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Pick 34
Apr 26, 2024 21:05:20 GMT -5
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Post by thejuice on Apr 26, 2024 21:05:20 GMT -5
We're really going LT by committee this season lmfao. I guess the real plan is to draft our ACTUAL franchise LT in 2025. Sit Maye the entire season even if he's ready 10000000% agree with that
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 21:05:52 GMT -5
Patrick Paul
6-8 331 5.13 forty 29.0 vertical 30 bench 7.65 cone 4.71 shuttle 86 ¼ wingspan 36 ¼ arms Caedan Wallace
6-5 314 5.15 forty 31.0 vertical No bench 7.73 cone 4.96 shuttle 82 5/8 wingspan 34 arms Not even sure he's a tackle, if he struggles they'll have to move him inside. Look at the ^ wingspan disparity. His mobility isn't good. His vertical (explosion) is good and his forty is good... beyond that he didn't bench which is problematic. If he's weak, he'll be a bench player this season. This seems like they realized they screwed up after a massive run on tackles and in desperation took a guy. They just didn't value the need that much clearly. We're definitely drafting our franchise LT in 2025. Sitting Maye the whole year now makes even more sense
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Pick 34
Apr 26, 2024 21:06:22 GMT -5
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 26, 2024 21:06:22 GMT -5
at least it’s not a N’keal Harry pick 🤮 N'Keals draft profile, by 'an insider'... just... wow... STRENGTHS —Ideal No. 1 wide receiver build at 6'2" and a rocked-up 228 pounds with long arms, long legs and broad shoulders. —Owns the 50-50 ball with some Randy Moss-type plays on tape; elevates from the field flawlessly and has a great ability to adjust and track the ball in the air. —Uses his length and leaping ability to make big plays in the red zone and on the boundary when going up to attack the ball. —Knows how to separate with his body and route-running ability; running a 4.53 at the scouting combine was a major win for him. —Yards-after-catch master who's physical running with the ball in his hands; looks to pick up extra yardage and doesn't go down easily. —Big enough to beat press coverage off the line of scrimmage; has some Michael Thomas-like confidence and play style at the line when corners try to walk up on him. —Loves football and plays with a dog mentality; will stalk block and get physical in the run game; not afraid to take on tacklers.was that insider Bill Belichick? 🤣
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 26, 2024 21:07:15 GMT -5
Mitchell is a diabetic, it’s going to cause him to drop. Polk was considered the toughest of the Washington receivers with maybe the best hands in the draft. He’s not 4.3 fast, but we have a guy who runs a 4.2 and it doesn’t mean shit because he can’t run routes and is a giant [expletive]. Polk runs a 4.5 and seems to understand how to get separation a little bit. As long as BB isn’t picking receivers I’ll give the word on the benefit of the doubt. good post, mthurl.
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Post by fessin on Apr 26, 2024 21:07:21 GMT -5
I don't watch college football so I don't know shite about these players but I find it quite amusing how people fret about this player picked at this time vs this player picked at that time. I'll wait till I actually see them play before I have an opinion about whether the pick was good or not.
I remember a lot of people pissed about the McCourty pick(a special teamer in the first round!) or the SeaBass or Logan picks. I also remember people happy with the N'Keal pick. I'm not sold on Maye but I'll hope for the best!
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Pick 34
Apr 26, 2024 21:07:23 GMT -5
Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 21:07:23 GMT -5
Poor Jacoby is gonna get sacked on every 5th play
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 26, 2024 21:07:58 GMT -5
I would trade back into the 3rd round and draft another wideout. Need to double dip. They need to draft another tackle and wide receiver.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 26, 2024 21:09:14 GMT -5
They just didn't value the need that much clearly. Don't value left tackle... describes the incompetency better than anything I could have said.
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Pick 34
Apr 26, 2024 21:10:00 GMT -5
Post by jri37 on Apr 26, 2024 21:10:00 GMT -5
25 pressures in 2,260+ snaps over the last 2 years. But still a RT... as is Onwenu. Isn't that guy they got from PIT also a RT Maybe they will have an innovative OL formation - 3 OLs facing the right sideline? Overload that side. Rhamadre right, rhamadre right, rhamadre right and hopefully it works, lol.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 21:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by muzwell on Apr 26, 2024 21:59:59 GMT -5
I'm in wait and see mode…on everything. On Wolf, on Mayo, on our entire coaching staff, on our draft picks. If Polk turns into a baller I won't give a flying f#$% where we picked him or if there was a chance we could have gotten him later. If he sucks or is just a jag I'll care. I’m in the ready to fire the whole cabal mode. If Maye can play it’s a good draft, period. But, after that it’s amateur hour as far as I can tell.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 22:18:30 GMT -5
They just didn't value the need that much clearly. Don't value left tackle... describes the incompetency better than anything I could have said. I really don't understand not trading up for Kinglsey....he was right there!!!!! I know KC was closer but you could've offered one of the 4th round picks you got from the Chargers to sweeten the deal if necessary. If they had him, I would've felt much better about Polk at 37. But nope, I guess we're gonna knock the 4th round out tomorrow. Hopefully.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 26, 2024 22:23:48 GMT -5
Our offense is slow and can’t block anyone. But, on the bright side we are the wokest team in the league. So, there’s that.
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Pick 34
Apr 26, 2024 22:30:24 GMT -5
Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 22:30:24 GMT -5
Polk could be really good so I'll hold out full judgement on that pick until we see him on the field. Wallace I'm just perplexed by. Idk. I'm glad we got Maye, the most important pick was done correctly IMO. But we better hit on these next few picks or its not going to feel that great heading into next season.
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Post by ATJ on Apr 27, 2024 3:57:52 GMT -5
Post See new posts Conversation Mike Reiss @mikereiss ESPN Draft analyst @fieldyates had raved about Washington WR Ja’Lynn Polk, the Patriots’ pick in the second round (No. 37).
Here is Yates from the “First Draft” podcast:
“Spent one year at Texas Tech. Came from the same high school as Dez Bryant. This guy is tough. He makes so many contested catches; so many catches that aren’t necessarily the highlight reel [type] but are in tight areas, or when he’s posting up a perimeter corner. Doing things outside of his frame so consistently. Making the difficult things look effortless.
"I think the run-after-catch skill is fine. I get it – he had a 4.52 ‘40’; he’s not going to blow you away in that regard. But if you’re looking for a guy who is consistently making the difficult things look easy, it’s Ja’Lynn Polk. He had a wonderful game against Michigan State in which he was making catches like he was part of cirque du soleil.
"Was great at the pro day. Love seeing the energy he brought to the table. I’m in on Ja’Lynn Polk; I think he deserves to go somewhere in the second round.” 7:48 PM · Apr 26, 2024 · 316.8K Views
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Pick 34
Apr 27, 2024 4:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by kjfitone on Apr 27, 2024 4:18:39 GMT -5
We're really going LT by committee this season lmfao. I guess the real plan is to draft our ACTUAL franchise LT in 2025. Sit Maye the entire season even if he's ready 10000000% agree with that Same here..
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Post by fisher on Apr 27, 2024 4:24:18 GMT -5
It’s the same comments year after year..this guy sucks ..I would have passed on h8m..why didn’t we get that guy..this draft sucks (high was true with BB leading it).
Give this draft a chance…at t(e very least, we didnt trade pick 3 and take a guard, DB and kicker so we are bette4 already.
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Pick 34
Apr 27, 2024 5:27:00 GMT -5
Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 27, 2024 5:27:00 GMT -5
Their grade: R3 (68) NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS: T CAEDAN WALLACE, PENN STATE Pick Grade: Below Average The Patriots select a player who ranked 142nd on the PFF big board and 186th on the consensus big board. He may be coming off a season that saw him earn a career-high 68.8 PFF grade, but he was solid in pass protection last year, earning a 72.8 pass-blocking grade and allowing just 13 total pressures from 359 pass-blocking snaps.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 27, 2024 5:38:42 GMT -5
Patrick Paul
6-8 331 5.13 forty 29.0 vertical 30 bench 7.65 cone 4.71 shuttle 86 ¼ wingspan 36 ¼ arms Caedan Wallace
6-5 314 5.15 forty 31.0 vertical No bench 7.73 cone 4.96 shuttle 82 5/8 wingspan 34 arms Not even sure he's a tackle, if he struggles they'll have to move him inside. Look at the ^ wingspan disparity. His mobility isn't good. His vertical (explosion) is good and his forty is good... beyond that he didn't bench which is problematic. If he's weak, he'll be a bench player this season. This seems like they realized they screwed up after a massive run on tackles and in desperation took a guy. Regarding Wallace, I get what you’re saying (about the run on tackles), but after watching tape (when he wears number 73), I’m seeing a guy who should have went much higher than the third round. I actually couldn’t believe my eyes - as I got Sebastian Vollmer vibes again - because not since that day have I thought to myself…we just stole an offensive lineman. Now, I have no idea if Wallace can actually play the left side (he says he can/Wolfe says he can), but the athleticism and movement ability is absolutely there. Now, when watching him in his earlier tape (with his old number), he doesn’t look nearly as good. IMO. As for Polk, I couldn’t put it into words but I think Wolfe did…he runs a 4.5 but on tape he doesn’t, you see him running past people (and you clearly see he has GREAT HANDS). Meanwhile I’m watching the kid from Texas body catch, and I’m watching the kid from Georgia get muscled out of the ball so many times that I want to scream at the TV. It’s all a crap shoot. We may have drafted three total and complete busts, but at least I see the talent with all of them. With N’Keal Harry, Mac Jones and several several others, I did NOT THINK they were going to succeed. So, we’ll see how it goes.
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Pick 34
Apr 27, 2024 7:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by patslifer on Apr 27, 2024 7:06:16 GMT -5
Patrick Paul
6-8 331 5.13 forty 29.0 vertical 30 bench 7.65 cone 4.71 shuttle 86 ¼ wingspan 36 ¼ arms Caedan Wallace
6-5 314 5.15 forty 31.0 vertical No bench 7.73 cone 4.96 shuttle 82 5/8 wingspan 34 arms Not even sure he's a tackle, if he struggles they'll have to move him inside. Look at the ^ wingspan disparity. His mobility isn't good. His vertical (explosion) is good and his forty is good... beyond that he didn't bench which is problematic. If he's weak, he'll be a bench player this season. This seems like they realized they screwed up after a massive run on tackles and in desperation took a guy. Regarding Wallace, I get what you’re saying (about the run on tackles), but after watching tape (when he wears number 73), I’m seeing a guy who should have went much higher than the third round. I actually couldn’t believe my eyes - as I got Sebastian Vollmer vibes again - because not since that day have I thought to myself…we just stole an offensive lineman. Now, I have no idea if Wallace can actually play the left side (he says he can/Wolfe says he can), but the athleticism and movement ability is absolutely there. Now, when watching him in his earlier tape (with his old number), he doesn’t look nearly as good. IMO. As for Polk, I couldn’t put it into words but I think Wolfe did…he runs a 4.5 but on tape he doesn’t, you see him running past people (and you clearly see he has GREAT HANDS). Meanwhile I’m watching the kid from Texas body catch, and I’m watching the kid from Georgia get muscled out of the ball so many times that I want to scream at the TV. It’s all a crap shoot. We may have drafted three total and complete busts, but at least I see the talent with all of them. With N’Keal Harry, Mac Jones and several several others, I did NOT THINK they were going to succeed. So, we’ll see how it goes. Good post. With Polk, I feel like we got a younger version of Bourne. Something about his game just screams Bourne to me. Not a bad thing of course if true.
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Pick 34
Apr 27, 2024 7:10:50 GMT -5
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 27, 2024 7:10:50 GMT -5
Regarding Wallace, I get what you’re saying (about the run on tackles), but after watching tape (when he wears number 73), I’m seeing a guy who should have went much higher than the third round. I actually couldn’t believe my eyes - as I got Sebastian Vollmer vibes again - because not since that day have I thought to myself…we just stole an offensive lineman. Now, I have no idea if Wallace can actually play the left side (he says he can/Wolfe says he can), but the athleticism and movement ability is absolutely there. Now, when watching him in his earlier tape (with his old number), he doesn’t look nearly as good. IMO. As for Polk, I couldn’t put it into words but I think Wolfe did…he runs a 4.5 but on tape he doesn’t, you see him running past people (and you clearly see he has GREAT HANDS). Meanwhile I’m watching the kid from Texas body catch, and I’m watching the kid from Georgia get muscled out of the ball so many times that I want to scream at the TV. It’s all a crap shoot. We may have drafted three total and complete busts, but at least I see the talent with all of them. With N’Keal Harry, Mac Jones and several several others, I did NOT THINK they were going to succeed. So, we’ll see how it goes. Good post. With Polk, I feel like we got a younger version of Bourne. Something about his game just screams Bourne to me. Not a bad thing of course if true. He makes catches I have NEVER SEEN BOURNE make, however. But the speed is similar.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 27, 2024 7:26:56 GMT -5
Good post. With Polk, I feel like we got a younger version of Bourne. Something about his game just screams Bourne to me. Not a bad thing of course if true. He makes catches I have NEVER SEEN BOURNE make, however. But the speed is similar. I feel like the way he runs routes, uses his body, where he operates on the field is very similar to Bourne. Ditto on size.
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Pick 34
Apr 27, 2024 8:20:39 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 27, 2024 8:20:39 GMT -5
Regarding Wallace, I get what you’re saying (about the run on tackles), but after watching tape (when he wears number 73), I’m seeing a guy who should have went much higher than the third round. I actually couldn’t believe my eyes - as I got Sebastian Vollmer vibes again - because not since that day have I thought to myself…we just stole an offensive lineman. Now, I have no idea if Wallace can actually play the left side (he says he can/Wolfe says he can), but the athleticism and movement ability is absolutely there. Now, when watching him in his earlier tape (with his old number), he doesn’t look nearly as good. IMO. As for Polk, I couldn’t put it into words but I think Wolfe did…he runs a 4.5 but on tape he doesn’t, you see him running past people (and you clearly see he has GREAT HANDS). Meanwhile I’m watching the kid from Texas body catch, and I’m watching the kid from Georgia get muscled out of the ball so many times that I want to scream at the TV. It’s all a crap shoot. We may have drafted three total and complete busts, but at least I see the talent with all of them. With N’Keal Harry, Mac Jones and several several others, I did NOT THINK they were going to succeed. So, we’ll see how it goes. Well I'd better not post Sebastian Vollmer's measurables because his agility drills were off the charts, he was also 6'8," had a 37" vertical leap and benched it 32 times at his pro day... freak. Wallace... not so much. Wallace has decent speed and good explosion, that's it. There's some mystery involved with him because he didn't bench it at either the combine or pro day. Like I said already his agility drills from the combine were crap, when that happens most prospects retake the tests at their pro day having worked on those specific drills... they compete to raise their stock... he didn't bench or run his agility drills over. If I was strong as an ox I'd want to show the world, there was no medical tag assigned to him. He also has good not great length, a tackle can overcome short levers by being extremely quick and mobile... see my problem with his bad agility drills? When the Pats made their 2nd pick with the fifth pick in the second round there hadn't been an offensive tackle taken for 7 picks... but there had been a serious run on them to start the draft. This was the time to get the couple blue chip tackles left on the board, they traded down and still had a shot at both... they took Polk. The Dolphins took Patrick Paul, the Chiefs took Kingsley Sumiataia and two more solid tackles went in succession. The third round comes round with the cupboard dry and the collaboration station takes an underwhelming career right tackle and tells us he was their guy all along. No way... they fell asleep at the wheel and reached. As for Polk... Adonai Mitchell, Malachi Corley, Jermaine Burton, Roman Wilson and Jalen McMillan went immediately after him. These guys are ridiculously fast, explosive, agile and were productive in college. Was missing out on a true blue chip offensive tackle worth taking a 6 foot WR who ran a 4.5 and isn't nearly the #1 or even an X receiver that the weapons crowd were clamoring for? I hope I'm wrong about both of these guys. I know if I go watch enough highlights I could convince myself they're serviceable maybe even great players. Maybe Polk becomes the next Jordy Nelson, maybe Wallace is caveman strong and much quicker than he demonstrated... or maybe the collaboration station just sucks at evaluating talent and Drake Maye was too easy a layup for them to screw up.
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