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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 28, 2024 15:48:27 GMT -5
I don't want to jinx the kid or anything.....but something about Maye just feels right to me. Even with our situation not being good on the offensive side of the ball, I think his last year at UNC dealing with the turnover on the coaching staff and personel side is going to help him transition to dealing with a supporting cast that is average at best. He'll be mentally more resilient than Mac because Mac never went through what this kid went through in college.
Coming from a family full of athletes is another underrated aspect I love. A lot of times we've seen great players come from such families (Steph Curry, Patrick Mahomes, even Brady) and it helps them because they build such a crazy competitive environment.
Anyways, whatever our opinions are of this draft, this kid gives me hope. That's something I haven't had since the end of the 2021 season.
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Post by freediro on Apr 28, 2024 16:02:06 GMT -5
I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. I asked you how many games you expect them to win. You did not answer. Let me change the question. In your mind, what are good ways to evaluate whether this draft was successful? What set expectations that each drafted player should hit? I must have missed that, apologies. Next year they win 4-6 with Jacoby and 5-10 with Maye, worst and best case scenarios. I’d evaluate this years draft at the end of the next 2-3 seasons, if there is no growth and win improvements over the previous year, the I need to see if they due to players ability or coaching. Whatever we do, let’s not do to this offense and Maye what was down to Mac and this offense the last 3 years. Also if we draft guys in 2025/26 and they’re already beating out this 24 class obviously not the best sign. Expectation to hit is opportunity, especially Maye and these WRs, they’re gonna be looked at to immediately change the culture and dynamics of this offense.
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Post by portfolio1 on Apr 28, 2024 16:24:15 GMT -5
Everyone did not think that, hell I won a $10 bet with a coworker he would pick Alt. But now you’re talking about a generational talent at not only o-line but at LT. Herbert has been getting killed and he needs that protection. If Harbaugh had the 3rd pick he would have take MHJ over Alt, it’s all about where you are in the draft and what you need. I would argue that receivers like Polk are abundant. Plentiful. Common. Whereas, LTs with Paul’s potential are not. The receivers available in 5th and 6th rounds compare, even favorably, to Polk. With tackles, you end up with projects and tweeners once you get past a certain point. And it’s much earlier than when you get to that point with receivers. They grow like damn weeds. Not to disagree but the thing about WRs is that you might hit gold and if you are good at picking WRs you really have an advantage. Does Wolf inherit the "gene"? Hope so. I can't say what they should have done because I just havent seen near enough. ' So you could be right about Polk. Or.... maybe we have someone in the building who can see the goods at WR. We shall all see eventually.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 28, 2024 16:46:03 GMT -5
I’m not going to lie. I didn’t want Maye but I shall root for him to succeed. I’m disappointed they weren’t more aggressive pursuing a starting LT. I don’t understand the logic of gambling with the #3 pick only to leave the pick unprotected at the most crucial spot besides QB. I don’t want to hear they drafted a guy “they feel” can play tackle after drafting a guy “they hope” can develop into a starting QB. They entered the draft with the capital to acquire difference makers for this season and left the draft with the same issues. I don’t see a clear definitive answer to any of their problem positions. I see “potential” but that’s not what they needed. is it gambling, if their intent is to sit maye all year and get the LT of the future next year in either fa or the draft (hopefully the draft) I say yes. It’s a 50/50 chance he makes it. I’m rooting he does but still think they could have gotten a sure thing at #3 instead of gambling. There’s too many holes to gamble with such a valuable asset. Fingers crossed Drake thrives and the lack of LT doesn’t force him into action before he’s ready.
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Post by tswfan on Apr 28, 2024 17:10:42 GMT -5
I asked you how many games you expect them to win. You did not answer. Let me change the question. In your mind, what are good ways to evaluate whether this draft was successful? What set expectations that each drafted player should hit? I must have missed that, apologies. Next year they win 4-6 with Jacoby and 5-10 with Maye, worst and best case scenarios. I’d evaluate this years draft at the end of the next 2-3 seasons, if there is no growth and win improvements over the previous year, the I need to see if they due to players ability or coaching. Whatever we do, let’s not do to this offense and Maye what was down to Mac and this offense the last 3 years. Also if we draft guys in 2025/26 and they’re already beating out this 24 class obviously not the best sign. Expectation to hit is opportunity, especially Maye and these WRs, they’re gonna be looked at to immediately change the culture and dynamics of this offense. jumping in here...next year they win 9-10 games, get your bets in early !!
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 28, 2024 17:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 28, 2024 17:41:38 GMT -5
BS! They could have taken one of Paul, Fisher, Rosengarten and Suamataia instead of Polk. Can't even be sure that LT1 next year will be better than Paul or Fisher. I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. Seriously? So you think Paul is the only LT worth picking there in Rd 2? I guess you know more than Andy Reid, who picked Suamataia, the last of the four, despite having just won a SB. I guess you know more than John Harbaugh, who picked Rosengarten, despite having Ronnie Stanley (better than any LT the Pats already has) I guess you know more than Caserio and Ryans, who picked Fisher.
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Post by fisher on Apr 28, 2024 17:54:02 GMT -5
Our opinions are just that..opinions..the mock drafts are mostly who we Iike and not wha5 team scouts are being paid to look at. If Wolf ,Mayo,and OLine coaches think their guys can play LT,then so be it, watching games (Polk), I have no doubt he will create problems for defenses,Javon likewise is a talent and will reduce need for WR ‘s.. If we think we know who should hav3 been drafted instead of who was taken this year. Itotally disagree. Team is improved and time to do more.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 28, 2024 18:00:11 GMT -5
Our opinions are just that..opinions..the mock drafts are mostly who we Iike and not wha5 team scouts are being paid to look at. If Wolf ,Mayo,and OLine coaches think their guys can play LT,then so be it, watching games (Polk), I have no doubt he will create problems for defenses,Javon likewise is a talent and will reduce need for WR ‘s.. If we think we know who should hav3 been drafted instead of who was taken this year. Itotally disagree. Team is improved and time to do more. Not just opinions of people on this forum. As I said, Andy Reid thought Suamataia was good enough to pick in Rd 2 - i.e., could help his team improve, despite having just won the SB.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 28, 2024 18:37:08 GMT -5
I asked you how many games you expect them to win. You did not answer. Let me change the question. In your mind, what are good ways to evaluate whether this draft was successful? What set expectations that each drafted player should hit? I must have missed that, apologies. Next year they win 4-6 with Jacoby and 5-10 with Maye, worst and best case scenarios. I’d evaluate this years draft at the end of the next 2-3 seasons, if there is no growth and win improvements over the previous year, the I need to see if they due to players ability or coaching. Whatever we do, let’s not do to this offense and Maye what was down to Mac and this offense the last 3 years. Also if we draft guys in 2025/26 and they’re already beating out this 24 class obviously not the best sign. Expectation to hit is opportunity, especially Maye and these WRs, they’re gonna be looked at to immediately change the culture and dynamics of this offense. Just to be clear, when you say next year, are you talking about next year as in 2025? Or are you talking about this coming 2024 season?
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 28, 2024 18:54:25 GMT -5
Someone compiled the draft grades from 20 'experts'. Pats draft ranked 12th. /photo/1
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 28, 2024 18:57:57 GMT -5
Someone compiled the draft grades from 20 'experts'. /photo/1 Thanks for posting it
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 28, 2024 19:03:54 GMT -5
Someone compiled the draft grades from 20 'experts'. /photo/1 Thanks for posting it Thanks to him. Saved me from trying to track it down!!
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Post by texaspat on Apr 28, 2024 19:29:39 GMT -5
I think SB contending teams have an offense that has a top 1/3 OL, a top 10 QB, a middle 1/3 RB corp or better, and a top 1/3 WR/TE receiving group - in combo with a top 10 defense. a guy like Maye needs better WRs than better LT, obviously, obviously, LT is important because of that dude whiffs on occasion the QB is gonna get rocked. I watched Maye take a shot in the back and get right up and then run with purpose and then finish off a drive. I have watched Maye move in the pocket where the LT just had keep the DE at bay, I’ve seen Maye in designed plays that completely negate the DE and the LT isn’t even working on the guy in front of him. Van Pelt can do a lot to make sure not having an elite or even really good LT won’t affect the QB that much. Again, we are in year one and Maye was just given 2 very good WRs with insane skill sets for catching the ball to develop and grow with. Give me that to start a QBs career and hopefully Wallace can work out at LT for next year and if not then we can draft a LT in the first in 2025 Maye needs better WRs than a good LT? I disagree. The Patriots need to find him a first rate bodyguard - or eventually he'll leave the field in a body bag. There was a run on OTs in round one. By the time round two came along, there were a few guys like Paul who were big, but very raw. Being big alone does not mean a guy can succeed at LT. The Patriots had to feel that Polk was more of a sure thing than Paul. That said, there were some very good defenders available that they passed on to get Polk. I hated it when I heard that Polk was being compared to Jakobi Meyers. I hope that he's better than that. Let's not label Polk a "pig in a poke" right now. Let's see what the kid can do. One last thing. There was nothing "spectacular" about the Patriots 2024 draft - unless Maye pans out as a franchise quarterback. If he doesn't, this dŕaft sucked.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 28, 2024 19:38:25 GMT -5
a guy like Maye needs better WRs than better LT, obviously, obviously, LT is important because of that dude whiffs on occasion the QB is gonna get rocked. I watched Maye take a shot in the back and get right up and then run with purpose and then finish off a drive. I have watched Maye move in the pocket where the LT just had keep the DE at bay, I’ve seen Maye in designed plays that completely negate the DE and the LT isn’t even working on the guy in front of him. Van Pelt can do a lot to make sure not having an elite or even really good LT won’t affect the QB that much. Again, we are in year one and Maye was just given 2 very good WRs with insane skill sets for catching the ball to develop and grow with. Give me that to start a QBs career and hopefully Wallace can work out at LT for next year and if not then we can draft a LT in the first in 2025 Maye needs better WRs than a good LT? I disagree. The Patriots need to find him a first rate bodyguard - or eventually he'll leave the field in a body bag. There was a run on OTs in round one. By the time round two came along, there were a few guys like Paul who were big, but very raw. Being big alone does not mean a guy can succeed at LT. The Patriots had to feel that Polk was more of a sure thing than Paul. That said, there were some very good defenders available that they passed on to get Polk. I hated it when I heard that Polk was being compared to Jakobi Meyers. I hope that he's better than that. Let's not label Polk a "pig in a poke" right now. Let's see what the kid can do. Let's not forget that most O line players are often injured and thus part time players that don't offer maximum value over the course of their contract. It's rare when they play most of every season of their rookie contract. Right Cole Strange?
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Post by thejuice on Apr 28, 2024 20:00:37 GMT -5
Maye needs better WRs than a good LT? I disagree. The Patriots need to find him a first rate bodyguard - or eventually he'll leave the field in a body bag. There was a run on OTs in round one. By the time round two came along, there were a few guys like Paul who were big, but very raw. Being big alone does not mean a guy can succeed at LT. The Patriots had to feel that Polk was more of a sure thing than Paul. That said, there were some very good defenders available that they passed on to get Polk. I hated it when I heard that Polk was being compared to Jakobi Meyers. I hope that he's better than that. Let's not label Polk a "pig in a poke" right now. Let's see what the kid can do. Let's not forget that most O line players are often injured and thus part time players that don't offer maximum value over the course of their contract. It's rare when they play most of every season of their rookie contract. Right Cole Strange? where are you getting the data for that? excellent example on strange for sure... but most OL you said... so imo, thats 60% of each starting OL, so 3 of every 5, are oft injured and only part time players... ??
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Post by texaspat on Apr 28, 2024 20:03:59 GMT -5
Maye needs better WRs than a good LT? I disagree. The Patriots need to find him a first rate bodyguard - or eventually he'll leave the field in a body bag. There was a run on OTs in round one. By the time round two came along, there were a few guys like Paul who were big, but very raw. Being big alone does not mean a guy can succeed at LT. The Patriots had to feel that Polk was more of a sure thing than Paul. That said, there were some very good defenders available that they passed on to get Polk. I hated it when I heard that Polk was being compared to Jakobi Meyers. I hope that he's better than that. Let's not label Polk a "pig in a poke" right now. Let's see what the kid can do. Let's not forget that most O line players are often injured and thus part time players that don't offer maximum value over the course of their contract. It's rare when they play most of every season of their rookie contract. Right Cole Strange? Four failed first round draft picks in a row led to the downfall of BB and the remnants of the dynasty. They were Isaiah Wynn in 2018, Oil Can Harry in 2019, MacEnroe Jones in 2021, and Cole Strange in 2022.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 28, 2024 20:20:03 GMT -5
Let's not forget that most O line players are often injured and thus part time players that don't offer maximum value over the course of their contract. It's rare when they play most of every season of their rookie contract. Right Cole Strange? where are you getting the data for that? excellent example on strange for sure... but most OL you said... so imo, thats 60% of each starting OL, so 3 of every 5, are oft injured and only part time players... ?? Just think about what you already know about Patriots lineman over the years. Our experience is not unique. Who didn't miss games is easier to discover on the o line. Just an observation, no hard data.
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Post by freediro on Apr 28, 2024 21:02:47 GMT -5
I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. Seriously? So you think Paul is the only LT worth picking there in Rd 2? I guess you know more than Andy Reid, who picked Suamataia, the last of the four, despite having just won a SB. I guess you know more than John Harbaugh, who picked Rosengarten, despite having Ronnie Stanley (better than any LT the Pats already has) I guess you know more than Caserio and Ryans, who picked Fisher. just my opinion but he has been labeled as very inconsistent and would require development to be an actual starter in the NFL level. No I don’t know more than Andy Reid, but as I said it’s about what you need where you are. I really liked Polk and didn’t mind that signing there at all, and to be fair I wish we could have traded back into the 1st at the end for Coleman. Suamataia was drafted at the very end of the 2nd so it’s not like he was some super coveted asset by everyone and I am sure the Pats would have taken him if he fell to 68 and if they truly loved him they could have moved up for him only 6 spots to do it if necessary, this were fine with Wallace. Do you know more than Wild and the Patriots scouts.
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Post by freediro on Apr 28, 2024 21:06:34 GMT -5
a guy like Maye needs better WRs than better LT, obviously, obviously, LT is important because of that dude whiffs on occasion the QB is gonna get rocked. I watched Maye take a shot in the back and get right up and then run with purpose and then finish off a drive. I have watched Maye move in the pocket where the LT just had keep the DE at bay, I’ve seen Maye in designed plays that completely negate the DE and the LT isn’t even working on the guy in front of him. Van Pelt can do a lot to make sure not having an elite or even really good LT won’t affect the QB that much. Again, we are in year one and Maye was just given 2 very good WRs with insane skill sets for catching the ball to develop and grow with. Give me that to start a QBs career and hopefully Wallace can work out at LT for next year and if not then we can draft a LT in the first in 2025 Maye needs better WRs than a good LT? I disagree. The Patriots need to find him a first rate bodyguard - or eventually he'll leave the field in a body bag. There was a run on OTs in round one. By the time round two came along, there were a few guys like Paul who were big, but very raw. Being big alone does not mean a guy can succeed at LT. The Patriots had to feel that Polk was more of a sure thing than Paul. That said, there were some very good defenders available that they passed on to get Polk. I hated it when I heard that Polk was being compared to Jakobi Meyers. I hope that he's better than that. Let's not label Polk a "pig in a poke" right now. Let's see what the kid can do. One last thing. There was nothing "spectacular" about the Patriots 2024 draft - unless Maye pans out as a franchise quarterback. If he doesn't, this dŕaft sucked. I would have been happy to take Paul then go WR, guess Wolf and the pats collab/scouting department thought otherwise. They and Caedan also seem Wallace will be a NFL LT. I heard the comparisons of Polk to Meyers and I don’t think anyone said that’s his ceiling, but like Meyers he was great at catching the ball, seemingly no matter what. Because Polk has a skillset much greater than Meyers
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Post by freediro on Apr 28, 2024 21:07:38 GMT -5
Let's not forget that most O line players are often injured and thus part time players that don't offer maximum value over the course of their contract. It's rare when they play most of every season of their rookie contract. Right Cole Strange? Four failed first round draft picks in a row led to the downfall of BB and the remnants of the dynasty. They were Isaiah Wynn in 2018, Oil Can Harry in 2019, MacEnroe Jones in 2021, and Cole Strange in 2022. His absolute mismanagement of the offensive side of the football since Brady left is another glaring reason.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 28, 2024 22:25:23 GMT -5
Four failed first round draft picks in a row led to the downfall of BB and the remnants of the dynasty. They were Isaiah Wynn in 2018, Oil Can Harry in 2019, MacEnroe Jones in 2021, and Cole Strange in 2022. His absolute mismanagement of the offensive side of the football since Brady left is another glaring reason. All 4 of the blown first rounders were offensive players who were offensive 😂
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Post by texaspat on Apr 28, 2024 22:26:57 GMT -5
Maye needs better WRs than a good LT? I disagree. The Patriots need to find him a first rate bodyguard - or eventually he'll leave the field in a body bag. There was a run on OTs in round one. By the time round two came along, there were a few guys like Paul who were big, but very raw. Being big alone does not mean a guy can succeed at LT. The Patriots had to feel that Polk was more of a sure thing than Paul. That said, there were some very good defenders available that they passed on to get Polk. I hated it when I heard that Polk was being compared to Jakobi Meyers. I hope that he's better than that. Let's not label Polk a "pig in a poke" right now. Let's see what the kid can do. One last thing. There was nothing "spectacular" about the Patriots 2024 draft - unless Maye pans out as a franchise quarterback. If he doesn't, this dŕaft sucked. I would have been happy to take Paul then go WR, guess Wolf and the pats collab/scouting department thought otherwise. They and Caedan also seem Wallace will be a NFL LT. I heard the comparisons of Polk to Meyers and I don’t think anyone said that’s his ceiling, but like Meyers he was great at catching the ball, seemingly no matter what. Because Polk has a skillset much greater than Meyers That remains to be seen.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 28, 2024 22:33:37 GMT -5
Four failed first round draft picks in a row led to the downfall of BB and the remnants of the dynasty. They were Isaiah Wynn in 2018, Oil Can Harry in 2019, MacEnroe Jones in 2021, and Cole Strange in 2022. Cole Strange isn't a bust after year two... that's absurd. If he becomes an injury problem going forward he becomes a "bust" by default, but he has played well when he has played.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 28, 2024 22:37:07 GMT -5
where are you getting the data for that? excellent example on strange for sure... but most OL you said... so imo, thats 60% of each starting OL, so 3 of every 5, are oft injured and only part time players... ?? Just think about what you already know about Patriots lineman over the years. Our experience is not unique. Who didn't miss games is easier to discover on the o line. Just an observation, no hard data. So is it most OL players across the league or just most patriots OL that you’re talking about.
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