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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 27, 2024 19:54:14 GMT -5
Of course I would have been ECSTATIC with MPJ, but this was much better by far than BB last 10 drafts.
Might have had something to do with pole position every round, but the Collab passed the test, imo.
Only about 3 things I would have done differently.
Not 11! Lol
Penix over Maye
RB Braelon Allen over Layden Robinson
S James Williams over Javon Baker
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2024 20:05:37 GMT -5
I couldn’t disagree more, honestly. I like the quarterback and I’m even glad they doubled up at that position. Other than that? LT was the next most important position and they blew it off. Not even an afterthought.
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 21:04:23 GMT -5
Of course I would have been ECSTATIC with MPJ, but this was much better by far than BB last 10 drafts. Might have had something to do with pole position every round, but the Collab passed the test, imo. Only about 3 things I would have done differently. Not 11! Lol Penix over Maye RB Braelon Allen over Layden Robinson S James Williams over Javon Baker So the older QB with a literal list of injuries already and a lesser skill set. I wouldn’t have minded RB Allen at all, but them going o-line is proof they’re willing to try multiple guys and go with what’s best(thanks BB), no need for S Williams and I don’t think you’ve watched WR Baker’s film or heard other guys talk about him if you don’t like this guy, especially with his style matching up with Maye’s |
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 21:08:27 GMT -5
I couldn’t disagree more, honestly. I like the quarterback and I’m even glad they doubled up at that position. Other than that? LT was the next most important position and they blew it off. Not even an afterthought. I think Wallace is likely to be tested at LT, and if he shows success will take over for Okorafor at some point or next year. Pats weren’t really in a position to draft LT compared to what was available and what they needed. They likely won’t have the best record next year unless Maye starts week 1, then he and all these offensive weapons click. So we can focus on LT next year |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 27, 2024 21:34:31 GMT -5
I couldn’t disagree more, honestly. I like the quarterback and I’m even glad they doubled up at that position. Other than that? LT was the next most important position and they blew it off. Not even an afterthought. I think Wallace is likely to be tested at LT, and if he shows success will take over for Okorafor at some point or next year. Pats weren’t really in a position to draft LT compared to what was available and what they needed. They likely won’t have the best record next year unless Maye starts week 1, then he and all these offensive weapons click. So we can focus on LT next year BS! They could have taken one of Paul, Fisher, Rosengarten and Suamataia instead of Polk. Can't even be sure that LT1 next year will be better than Paul or Fisher. |
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 21:40:47 GMT -5
I think Wallace is likely to be tested at LT, and if he shows success will take over for Okorafor at some point or next year. Pats weren’t really in a position to draft LT compared to what was available and what they needed. They likely won’t have the best record next year unless Maye starts week 1, then he and all these offensive weapons click. So we can focus on LT next year BS! They could have taken one of Paul, Fisher, Rosengarten and Suamataia instead of Polk. Can't even be sure that LT1 next year will be better than Paul or Fisher. I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 27, 2024 21:51:03 GMT -5
BS! They could have taken one of Paul, Fisher, Rosengarten and Suamataia instead of Polk. Can't even be sure that LT1 next year will be better than Paul or Fisher. I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. A team never needs a good WR more than a good starting LT. Look at what Harbaugh did. When everyone thought they would pick Nabers, he picked Alt. If you truly believe they improved the team, how many games do you think they win this season? |
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 21:56:11 GMT -5
I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. A team never needs a good WR more than a good starting LT. Look at what Harbaugh did. When everyone thought they would pick Nabers, he picked Alt. If you truly believe they improved the team, how many games do you think they win this season? Everyone did not think that, hell I won a $10 bet with a coworker he would pick Alt. But now you’re talking about a generational talent at not only o-line but at LT. Herbert has been getting killed and he needs that protection. If Harbaugh had the 3rd pick he would have take MHJ over Alt, it’s all about where you are in the draft and what you need. |
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2024 22:47:00 GMT -5
A team never needs a good WR more than a good starting LT. Look at what Harbaugh did. When everyone thought they would pick Nabers, he picked Alt. If you truly believe they improved the team, how many games do you think they win this season? Everyone did not think that, hell I won a $10 bet with a coworker he would pick Alt. But now you’re talking about a generational talent at not only o-line but at LT. Herbert has been getting killed and he needs that protection. If Harbaugh had the 3rd pick he would have take MHJ over Alt, it’s all about where you are in the draft and what you need. I would argue that receivers like Polk are abundant. Plentiful. Common. Whereas, LTs with Paul’s potential are not. The receivers available in 5th and 6th rounds compare, even favorably, to Polk. With tackles, you end up with projects and tweeners once you get past a certain point. And it’s much earlier than when you get to that point with receivers. They grow like damn weeds. |
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 27, 2024 23:56:29 GMT -5
Everyone did not think that, hell I won a $10 bet with a coworker he would pick Alt. But now you’re talking about a generational talent at not only o-line but at LT. Herbert has been getting killed and he needs that protection. If Harbaugh had the 3rd pick he would have take MHJ over Alt, it’s all about where you are in the draft and what you need. I would argue that receivers like Polk are abundant. Plentiful. Common. Whereas, Lots with Paul’s potential are not. The guys available in the 5th and 6th rounds compare, even favorably, to Polk. With tackles, you end up with projects and tweeners once you get past a certain point. And it’s much earlier than when you get to that point with receivers. They grow like damn weeds. In fact they proved that Polk isn't unique by draft another clone two rounds later that got more hype than Polk - and I wouldn't have been surprised if Polk himself would have been available at 68. They could have gotten a great DT or CB, a good LT, a good edge, or an average WR and they went WR. |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 28, 2024 2:27:15 GMT -5
BS! They could have taken one of Paul, Fisher, Rosengarten and Suamataia instead of Polk. Can't even be sure that LT1 next year will be better than Paul or Fisher. I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. One more thing: Even if only one of those LTs works out as a starter, it would be indication that passing on them was the wrong decision. That would mean there was a starter among the four. It was the collaboration's job to know which of the four would be the one. |
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Post by garytx on Apr 28, 2024 4:25:48 GMT -5
They blew that 2nd rounder big time. Don't understand it. Really the only value pick they got was the QB out of Tennessee. They picked up another guard? Really?
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Post by ATJ on Apr 28, 2024 4:39:54 GMT -5
I'll wait and see.
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Post by backbay on Apr 28, 2024 4:48:55 GMT -5
I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. A team never needs a good WR more than a good starting LT. Look at what Harbaugh did. When everyone thought they would pick Nabers, he picked Alt. If you truly believe they improved the team, how many games do you think they win this season? I think SB contending teams have an offense that has a top 1/3 OL, a top 10 QB, a middle 1/3 RB corp or better, and a top 1/3 WR/TE receiving group - in combo with a top 10 defense. |
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Post by backbay on Apr 28, 2024 4:50:12 GMT -5
yep, won't really know for 2-3 years anyway... |
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Post by freediro on Apr 28, 2024 9:45:49 GMT -5
I would argue that receivers like Polk are abundant. Plentiful. Common. Whereas, Lots with Paul’s potential are not. The guys available in the 5th and 6th rounds compare, even favorably, to Polk. With tackles, you end up with projects and tweeners once you get past a certain point. And it’s much earlier than when you get to that point with receivers. They grow like damn weeds. In fact they proved that Polk isn't unique by draft another clone two rounds later that got more hype than Polk - and I wouldn't have been surprised if Polk himself would have been available at 68. They could have gotten a great DT or CB, a good LT, a good edge, or an average WR and they went WR. you clearly don’t watch film or listen to anyone who breaks down players, they’re not a clone and they both have different strengths and weaknesses, you’re just looking at their combine size and speed. |
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Post by freediro on Apr 28, 2024 9:51:17 GMT -5
A team never needs a good WR more than a good starting LT. Look at what Harbaugh did. When everyone thought they would pick Nabers, he picked Alt. If you truly believe they improved the team, how many games do you think they win this season? I think SB contending teams have an offense that has a top 1/3 OL, a top 10 QB, a middle 1/3 RB corp or better, and a top 1/3 WR/TE receiving group - in combo with a top 10 defense. a guy like Maye needs better WRs than better LT, obviously, obviously, LT is important because of that dude whiffs on occasion the QB is gonna get rocked. I watched Maye take a shot in the back and get right up and then run with purpose and then finish off a drive. I have watched Maye move in the pocket where the LT just had keep the DE at bay, I’ve seen Maye in designed plays that completely negate the DE and the LT isn’t even working on the guy in front of him. Van Pelt can do a lot to make sure not having an elite or even really good LT won’t affect the QB that much. Again, we are in year one and Maye was just given 2 very good WRs with insane skill sets for catching the ball to develop and grow with. Give me that to start a QBs career and hopefully Wallace can work out at LT for next year and if not then we can draft a LT in the first in 2025 |
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Post by freediro on Apr 28, 2024 9:52:55 GMT -5
I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. One more thing: Even if only one of those LTs works out as a starter, it would be indication that passing on them was the wrong decision. That would mean there was a starter among the four. It was the collaboration's job to know which of the four would be the one. every failed NFL draft prospect isn’t the sole responsibility of the person/coach who chose them, I get what you’re trying to say, but let’s be realistic here. |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 28, 2024 14:35:57 GMT -5
A team never needs a good WR more than a good starting LT. Look at what Harbaugh did. When everyone thought they would pick Nabers, he picked Alt. If you truly believe they improved the team, how many games do you think they win this season? I think SB contending teams have an offense that has a top 1/3 OL, a top 10 QB, a middle 1/3 RB corp or better, and a top 1/3 WR/TE receiving group - in combo with a top 10 defense. Not sure if you intended to, but what you said did not answer my question. If you do not want to answer make a prediction on how many games they win, at least say if you think their draft got them what you think they need to have - i.e., top 1/3 OL, top 1/3 RB corps, top 1/3 WR/TE. I am not going to question the QB part. I preferred another QB, but at least they took a big swing at QB. |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 28, 2024 14:46:45 GMT -5
BS! They could have taken one of Paul, Fisher, Rosengarten and Suamataia instead of Polk. Can't even be sure that LT1 next year will be better than Paul or Fisher. I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. I asked you how many games you expect them to win. You did not answer. Let me change the question. In your mind, what are good ways to evaluate whether this draft was successful? What set expectations that each drafted player should hit? |
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Post by backbay on Apr 28, 2024 14:48:57 GMT -5
I couldn’t disagree more, honestly. I like the quarterback and I’m even glad they doubled up at that position. Other than that? LT was the next most important position and they blew it off. Not even an afterthought. Weren't the good LTs gone by pick #68? |
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Post by backbay on Apr 28, 2024 14:51:28 GMT -5
I guess you know more than them and what they felt they needed, only guy I’d agree on is Paul as being worth it at where it would be at. But then we wouldn’t have Polk. Pats liked and wanted and needed a WR like Polk more than a LT like Paul. LT will be next year if Wallace can’t show promise behind Okofor this year. I asked you how many games you expect them to win. You did not answer. Let me change the question. In your mind, what are good ways to evaluate whether this draft was successful? What set expectations that each drafted player should hit? It was fine. They picked up a couple of QBs, WRs, OL, TE.....so, focus was on offense. Now they have to continue to improve depth of OL |
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Post by thejuice on Apr 28, 2024 15:01:14 GMT -5
I couldn’t disagree more, honestly. I like the quarterback and I’m even glad they doubled up at that position. Other than that? LT was the next most important position and they blew it off. Not even an afterthought. Weren't the good LTs gone by pick #68? they were.. which is why they shouldve gone LT at 34 or 37 |
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 28, 2024 15:10:36 GMT -5
I’m not going to lie. I didn’t want Maye but I shall root for him to succeed.
I’m disappointed they weren’t more aggressive pursuing a starting LT. I don’t understand the logic of gambling with the #3 pick only to leave the pick unprotected at the most crucial spot besides QB. I don’t want to hear they drafted a guy “they feel” can play tackle after drafting a guy “they hope” can develop into a starting QB.
They entered the draft with the capital to acquire difference makers for this season and left the draft with the same issues. I don’t see a clear definitive answer to any of their problem positions. I see “potential” but that’s not what they needed.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 28, 2024 15:29:10 GMT -5
I’m not going to lie. I didn’t want Maye but I shall root for him to succeed. I’m disappointed they weren’t more aggressive pursuing a starting LT. I don’t understand the logic of gambling with the #3 pick only to leave the pick unprotected at the most crucial spot besides QB. I don’t want to hear they drafted a guy “they feel” can play tackle after drafting a guy “they hope” can develop into a starting QB. They entered the draft with the capital to acquire difference makers for this season and left the draft with the same issues. I don’t see a clear definitive answer to any of their problem positions. I see “potential” but that’s not what they needed. is it gambling, if their intent is to sit maye all year and get the LT of the future next year in either fa or the draft (hopefully the draft) |
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