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Post by texaspat on Apr 28, 2024 22:49:29 GMT -5
Four failed first round draft picks in a row led to the downfall of BB and the remnants of the dynasty. They were Isaiah Wynn in 2018, Oil Can Harry in 2019, MacEnroe Jones in 2021, and Cole Strange in 2022. Cole Strange isn't a bust after year two... that's absurd. If he becomes an injury problem going forward he becomes a "bust" by default, but he has played well when he has played. Cole Strange sucks, especially in consideration that he was a first round pick. This bum is just like Isaiah Wynn. He tweaks his knee whenever he gets out of bed. He's already scheduled to miss preseason rehabbing from last year's injuries, as cited at the end of the article summing up the Patriots draft below: Five Thoughts on the Patriots Draft Picks: Overall, Wolf Played it Safe Wolf came away with a solid haul of players, staying the course as the Patriots made a total of eight selections. Five Thoughts on the Patriots Draft Picks: Overall, Wolf Played it Safe Some thoughts coming off of an interesting 2024 New England Patriots draft. Patriots Have a Jam-Packed QB Room New England finished things up on Saturday with a bit of a surprise, adding another quarterback in addition to first-round selection Drake Maye. They selected Tennessee quarterback Joe Milton in the sixth round on Saturday at #193 overall, throwing a bit of a wrinkle into the haul that included their other 2024 Patriots Draft picks. That now creates a quarterback room that features five quarterbacks, including Jacoby Brissett, Maye, Bailey Zappe, Nathan Rourke, and now Milton. Something will clearly need to give, and if the initial reports are any indication, it sounds like Zappe’s facing an uphill battle to remain on the roster. NFL Media reporter Ian Rapoport reported not long after Milton’s selection that Zappe could potentially be on the trading block. He believes the club will try to do the right thing by finding Zappe an amicable place to be dealt, much like they did with former Patriots QB, Mac Jones. What happens after that is the next question. Jerod Mayo said during his post-draft press conference Saturday when asked if they envision Milton playing anywhere else, possibly doing like they did last year with former undrafted free agent Malik Cunningham, who spent time during training camp at receiver. However, Mayo said that “we drafted him as a quarterback,” which seems to remove that possibility. Milton more or less took it a step further after he made it clear that if the club had any intention of him playing elsewhere, he’s not cooperating. “That’ll never happen,” said Milton during his conference call Saturday. That means that the Patriots were likely aware of that, which also indicates that changes in that room are coming. Mayo downplayed that. “Everything’s about competition, and nothing is given,” he said, referring to the quarterbacks. “All of it’s earned, and that’s how we thought about the process.” “But at the same time, you want to have a strong group,” he added. “You want to have a strong room and I would say the way it looks now, we have a very strong room.” Strong, maybe. But crowded? Absolutely. The additions of Maye and Milton has the club now with two big, strong, athletic quarterbacks, which if that’s the way they’re leaning certainly doesn’t fit Zappe’s mold. Maye, Milton and Rourke do fit that mold behind Brissett, with all being guys who are strong and can throw outside the pocket. So it will likely come down to a competition between the rookie from Tennessee and the former CFL QB for the club’s final quarterback spot on the depth chart. As far as what the future holds for Zappe, it seems this ship is moving forward, and he may not be in their plans. For now, it will just remain something to keep an eye on as they start putting whatever plans they have into motion. Patriots Suddenly Also Have a Crowded Receiver Room The Patriots selected both Washington receiver Ja’Lynn Polk (Round 2) and UCF wideout Javon Baker (Round 4) on Saturday, which now pushes the number of receivers on their roster to 11. That means that changes are certainly ahead as Wolf and the offensive coaches also start revamping the room. The belief is that the two rookies are clearly in their plans, with Kendrick Bourne, Demario Douglas, and K.J. Osborn the likely players who, unless Osborn doesn’t pan out, should be joining them. That leaves Jalen Reagor, Tyquan Thornton, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Kawaan Baker, and TJ Luther as the most likely players battling for a roster spot. Smith-Schuster may find himself gone after June 1st, with Thornton as the most notable name who will either be competing for a role or possibly find himself as a trade candidate. Kawaan Baker and TJ Luther are both players who will be longshots, and that’s provided they’re still here by the time camp opens as the Patriots shed players to potentially make room to target those who are jettisoned as teams begin parting with current players. Either way, it’s clear that the Patriots are looking to create a group that’s more dangerous down the field and guys who can challenge defenders. Some don’t necessarily love Polk, comparing him to DeVante Parker, while others have questions about Baker, who draws comparisons to Bourne. But both are absolutely guys who attack the football and should be fun to watch. As a result, they may not be splashy names, but Wolf quietly did an adequate job weaponizing a group that is certainly better and should be more of a problem for opponents than it was a year ago. Left Tackle Still Has Questions With New England going receiver in round two, that left the pick of tackles a little limited by the time the third round opened. However, Wolf said Friday night that despite the urge to trade back when it was time to pick at the 68th overall spot in Round 3, the guy they were targeting, Penn State’s Caedan Wallace, was still there, and they felt the smart move was to go ahead and take him. “Wallace was a guy we had targeted,” said Wolf. “We had some exploratory conversations about possibly moving back from 68, and then it was just kind of like, ‘Well, why? This is the guy we had wanted all along.’ So, sometimes it doesn’t fall for you. It fell pretty nicely for us today.” The former Nittany Lion spent his career anchoring the right side of the line, with some wondering why the Patriots targeted a right tackle given their need on the left side. However, both Wolf and Wallace told reporters that making the transition to the other side is something they’re confident about shouldn’t be an issue. “Yeah, we feel like Caedan has the athleticism to play over on the left side,” said Wolf. “Really, his teammate, Olu Fashanu that the Jets drafted was the reason that he played on the right. So, athletically there’s no reason why he couldn’t make the switch over there. He’s a really smart dedicated kid that we feel like can handle that.” Wallace said that “it’s been a while” since he played left tackle in a game, but admitted that he spent time there during the Shrine Bowl and didn’t hesitate when asked how confident he was that he could make the transition to left tackle. “Extremely confident,” said Wallace. “I mean, I play every position on the line and I’m just excited to get there and learn under some great coaches and get after it.” Still, the Boston Herald’s Andrew Callahan challenged Mayo on that later on Saturday, with Callahan recalling the issue Matt Light had playing on the other side despite being a player who was both smart and athletic. However, Mayo pushed back, saying his confidence in his coaching staff and the intel they have on the player. “Look, I love the way that he plays, but after having conversations with Van Pelt, Scotty Peters and that group and [assistant offensive line coach Robert] Kugler, they were very confident that this guy could play on both sides,” said Mayo. “So I have to have confidence that I picked the right people to evaluate or project what this guy can do going forward.” Mayo also added that while it’s still his call, he’s confident in the guys around him who will be responsible for executing Wallace’s transition. “I’m not into micromanaging or anything like that. If the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach say, ‘Hey, this guy can do X, Y, and Z,’ all right, I’ll take it in, but at the end of the day, someone has to make that decision, which is me, but I already made the decision that we picked some good coaches.” Strange Injury Now a Big Question Mark With the former first-round pick suffering a season-ending injury in December, the selection of Texas A&M’s Layden Robinson is definitely eyebrow-raising. Robinson is considered to be an interior lineman, which obviously opened the door for questions given the number of guards the Patriots currently have. The thought is that perhaps he was selected as additional insurance for Strange, who may or may not be ready to go by the time training camp opens. The other thought is that players like Atonio Mafi and others may not fit the scheme that Alex Van Pelt are planning on running, and it may indicate that the club brought in Robinson to give them some additional depth as they begin transitioning their offense. Strange suffered a knee injury during training camp that reports indicated required surgery, with Strange opting to try and play through it. He ended up appearing on the injury report to start the year and remained there, appearing on it for the first eight weeks of the season. However, he missed the season opener while playing 100% of the snaps in Week 2, along with 61% of the snaps against the Jets in Week 3, before seemingly aggravating it. He was then inactive for the next three weeks, with Strange being “limited” on the practice reports over that span. He finally came off the injury report after week eight. But an injury against Kansas City on December 17th knocked him out for the rest of the season, which now has his status heading into 2024 in question. www.patsfans.com/patriots/blog/2024/04/28/five-thoughts-on-the-patriots-draft-picks-overall-wolf-played-it-safe/
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 29, 2024 6:38:42 GMT -5
Cole Strange sucks, especially in consideration that he was a first round pick. This bum is just like Isaiah Wynn. He tweaks his knee whenever he gets out of bed. He's already scheduled to miss preseason rehabbing from last year's injuries, as cited at the end of the article summing up the Patriots draft below: Five Thoughts on the Patriots Draft Picks: Overall, Wolf Played it Safe Wolf came away with a solid haul of players, staying the course as the Patriots made a total of eight selections. Five Thoughts on the Patriots Draft Picks: Overall, Wolf Played it Safe Some thoughts coming off of an interesting 2024 New England Patriots draft. Patriots Have a Jam-Packed QB Room New England finished things up on Saturday with a bit of a surprise, adding another quarterback in addition to first-round selection Drake Maye. They selected Tennessee quarterback Joe Milton in the sixth round on Saturday at #193 overall, throwing a bit of a wrinkle into the haul that included their other 2024 Patriots Draft picks. That now creates a quarterback room that features five quarterbacks, including Jacoby Brissett, Maye, Bailey Zappe, Nathan Rourke, and now Milton. Something will clearly need to give, and if the initial reports are any indication, it sounds like Zappe’s facing an uphill battle to remain on the roster. NFL Media reporter Ian Rapoport reported not long after Milton’s selection that Zappe could potentially be on the trading block. He believes the club will try to do the right thing by finding Zappe an amicable place to be dealt, much like they did with former Patriots QB, Mac Jones. What happens after that is the next question. Jerod Mayo said during his post-draft press conference Saturday when asked if they envision Milton playing anywhere else, possibly doing like they did last year with former undrafted free agent Malik Cunningham, who spent time during training camp at receiver. However, Mayo said that “we drafted him as a quarterback,” which seems to remove that possibility. Milton more or less took it a step further after he made it clear that if the club had any intention of him playing elsewhere, he’s not cooperating. “That’ll never happen,” said Milton during his conference call Saturday. That means that the Patriots were likely aware of that, which also indicates that changes in that room are coming. Mayo downplayed that. “Everything’s about competition, and nothing is given,” he said, referring to the quarterbacks. “All of it’s earned, and that’s how we thought about the process.” “But at the same time, you want to have a strong group,” he added. “You want to have a strong room and I would say the way it looks now, we have a very strong room.” Strong, maybe. But crowded? Absolutely. The additions of Maye and Milton has the club now with two big, strong, athletic quarterbacks, which if that’s the way they’re leaning certainly doesn’t fit Zappe’s mold. Maye, Milton and Rourke do fit that mold behind Brissett, with all being guys who are strong and can throw outside the pocket. So it will likely come down to a competition between the rookie from Tennessee and the former CFL QB for the club’s final quarterback spot on the depth chart. As far as what the future holds for Zappe, it seems this ship is moving forward, and he may not be in their plans. For now, it will just remain something to keep an eye on as they start putting whatever plans they have into motion. Patriots Suddenly Also Have a Crowded Receiver Room The Patriots selected both Washington receiver Ja’Lynn Polk (Round 2) and UCF wideout Javon Baker (Round 4) on Saturday, which now pushes the number of receivers on their roster to 11. That means that changes are certainly ahead as Wolf and the offensive coaches also start revamping the room. The belief is that the two rookies are clearly in their plans, with Kendrick Bourne, Demario Douglas, and K.J. Osborn the likely players who, unless Osborn doesn’t pan out, should be joining them. That leaves Jalen Reagor, Tyquan Thornton, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Kawaan Baker, and TJ Luther as the most likely players battling for a roster spot. Smith-Schuster may find himself gone after June 1st, with Thornton as the most notable name who will either be competing for a role or possibly find himself as a trade candidate. Kawaan Baker and TJ Luther are both players who will be longshots, and that’s provided they’re still here by the time camp opens as the Patriots shed players to potentially make room to target those who are jettisoned as teams begin parting with current players. Either way, it’s clear that the Patriots are looking to create a group that’s more dangerous down the field and guys who can challenge defenders. Some don’t necessarily love Polk, comparing him to DeVante Parker, while others have questions about Baker, who draws comparisons to Bourne. But both are absolutely guys who attack the football and should be fun to watch. As a result, they may not be splashy names, but Wolf quietly did an adequate job weaponizing a group that is certainly better and should be more of a problem for opponents than it was a year ago. Left Tackle Still Has Questions With New England going receiver in round two, that left the pick of tackles a little limited by the time the third round opened. However, Wolf said Friday night that despite the urge to trade back when it was time to pick at the 68th overall spot in Round 3, the guy they were targeting, Penn State’s Caedan Wallace, was still there, and they felt the smart move was to go ahead and take him. “Wallace was a guy we had targeted,” said Wolf. “We had some exploratory conversations about possibly moving back from 68, and then it was just kind of like, ‘Well, why? This is the guy we had wanted all along.’ So, sometimes it doesn’t fall for you. It fell pretty nicely for us today.” The former Nittany Lion spent his career anchoring the right side of the line, with some wondering why the Patriots targeted a right tackle given their need on the left side. However, both Wolf and Wallace told reporters that making the transition to the other side is something they’re confident about shouldn’t be an issue. “Yeah, we feel like Caedan has the athleticism to play over on the left side,” said Wolf. “Really, his teammate, Olu Fashanu that the Jets drafted was the reason that he played on the right. So, athletically there’s no reason why he couldn’t make the switch over there. He’s a really smart dedicated kid that we feel like can handle that.” Wallace said that “it’s been a while” since he played left tackle in a game, but admitted that he spent time there during the Shrine Bowl and didn’t hesitate when asked how confident he was that he could make the transition to left tackle. “Extremely confident,” said Wallace. “I mean, I play every position on the line and I’m just excited to get there and learn under some great coaches and get after it.” Still, the Boston Herald’s Andrew Callahan challenged Mayo on that later on Saturday, with Callahan recalling the issue Matt Light had playing on the other side despite being a player who was both smart and athletic. However, Mayo pushed back, saying his confidence in his coaching staff and the intel they have on the player. “Look, I love the way that he plays, but after having conversations with Van Pelt, Scotty Peters and that group and [assistant offensive line coach Robert] Kugler, they were very confident that this guy could play on both sides,” said Mayo. “So I have to have confidence that I picked the right people to evaluate or project what this guy can do going forward.” Mayo also added that while it’s still his call, he’s confident in the guys around him who will be responsible for executing Wallace’s transition. “I’m not into micromanaging or anything like that. If the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach say, ‘Hey, this guy can do X, Y, and Z,’ all right, I’ll take it in, but at the end of the day, someone has to make that decision, which is me, but I already made the decision that we picked some good coaches.” Strange Injury Now a Big Question Mark With the former first-round pick suffering a season-ending injury in December, the selection of Texas A&M’s Layden Robinson is definitely eyebrow-raising. Robinson is considered to be an interior lineman, which obviously opened the door for questions given the number of guards the Patriots currently have. The thought is that perhaps he was selected as additional insurance for Strange, who may or may not be ready to go by the time training camp opens. The other thought is that players like Atonio Mafi and others may not fit the scheme that Alex Van Pelt are planning on running, and it may indicate that the club brought in Robinson to give them some additional depth as they begin transitioning their offense. Strange suffered a knee injury during training camp that reports indicated required surgery, with Strange opting to try and play through it. He ended up appearing on the injury report to start the year and remained there, appearing on it for the first eight weeks of the season. However, he missed the season opener while playing 100% of the snaps in Week 2, along with 61% of the snaps against the Jets in Week 3, before seemingly aggravating it. He was then inactive for the next three weeks, with Strange being “limited” on the practice reports over that span. He finally came off the injury report after week eight. But an injury against Kansas City on December 17th knocked him out for the rest of the season, which now has his status heading into 2024 in question. www.patsfans.com/patriots/blog/2024/04/28/five-thoughts-on-the-patriots-draft-picks-overall-wolf-played-it-safe/Did you just write “Cole Strange sucks” and proceed to copy/paste somebody else’s very lengthy article in support of that theory but nowhere does it suggest he sucks? He sucks based on what? He played the third most snaps on the Patriot's offense his rookie season. He hurt the knee that would eventually require surgery at the very end of training camp last season and played through it anyway. He started ten games on an injured knee. David Andrews said he was playing the best ball of his young career despite the injury when he injured the same knee again against the Chiefs. You'd think Patriot fans would respect a player playing through injury, but the more important thing is that BB drafted him at the end of the first round and BB was a meanie... so by default Strange has to suck at his job. This is just anti BB bullsht. If Strange is healthy, he's a very good starter and can get out and run at an elite level. He's an exceptional athlete, strong and smart. If he keeps getting injured, then he becomes an injury "bust" by default... but nobody can say he plays consistently bad football.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 29, 2024 6:53:46 GMT -5
Cole Strange sucks, especially in consideration that he was a first round pick. This bum is just like Isaiah Wynn. He tweaks his knee whenever he gets out of bed. He's already scheduled to miss preseason rehabbing from last year's injuries, as cited at the end of the article summing up the Patriots draft below: Five Thoughts on the Patriots Draft Picks: Overall, Wolf Played it Safe Wolf came away with a solid haul of players, staying the course as the Patriots made a total of eight selections. Five Thoughts on the Patriots Draft Picks: Overall, Wolf Played it Safe Some thoughts coming off of an interesting 2024 New England Patriots draft. Patriots Have a Jam-Packed QB Room New England finished things up on Saturday with a bit of a surprise, adding another quarterback in addition to first-round selection Drake Maye. They selected Tennessee quarterback Joe Milton in the sixth round on Saturday at #193 overall, throwing a bit of a wrinkle into the haul that included their other 2024 Patriots Draft picks. That now creates a quarterback room that features five quarterbacks, including Jacoby Brissett, Maye, Bailey Zappe, Nathan Rourke, and now Milton. Something will clearly need to give, and if the initial reports are any indication, it sounds like Zappe’s facing an uphill battle to remain on the roster. NFL Media reporter Ian Rapoport reported not long after Milton’s selection that Zappe could potentially be on the trading block. He believes the club will try to do the right thing by finding Zappe an amicable place to be dealt, much like they did with former Patriots QB, Mac Jones. What happens after that is the next question. Jerod Mayo said during his post-draft press conference Saturday when asked if they envision Milton playing anywhere else, possibly doing like they did last year with former undrafted free agent Malik Cunningham, who spent time during training camp at receiver. However, Mayo said that “we drafted him as a quarterback,” which seems to remove that possibility. Milton more or less took it a step further after he made it clear that if the club had any intention of him playing elsewhere, he’s not cooperating. “That’ll never happen,” said Milton during his conference call Saturday. That means that the Patriots were likely aware of that, which also indicates that changes in that room are coming. Mayo downplayed that. “Everything’s about competition, and nothing is given,” he said, referring to the quarterbacks. “All of it’s earned, and that’s how we thought about the process.” “But at the same time, you want to have a strong group,” he added. “You want to have a strong room and I would say the way it looks now, we have a very strong room.” Strong, maybe. But crowded? Absolutely. The additions of Maye and Milton has the club now with two big, strong, athletic quarterbacks, which if that’s the way they’re leaning certainly doesn’t fit Zappe’s mold. Maye, Milton and Rourke do fit that mold behind Brissett, with all being guys who are strong and can throw outside the pocket. So it will likely come down to a competition between the rookie from Tennessee and the former CFL QB for the club’s final quarterback spot on the depth chart. As far as what the future holds for Zappe, it seems this ship is moving forward, and he may not be in their plans. For now, it will just remain something to keep an eye on as they start putting whatever plans they have into motion. Patriots Suddenly Also Have a Crowded Receiver Room The Patriots selected both Washington receiver Ja’Lynn Polk (Round 2) and UCF wideout Javon Baker (Round 4) on Saturday, which now pushes the number of receivers on their roster to 11. That means that changes are certainly ahead as Wolf and the offensive coaches also start revamping the room. The belief is that the two rookies are clearly in their plans, with Kendrick Bourne, Demario Douglas, and K.J. Osborn the likely players who, unless Osborn doesn’t pan out, should be joining them. That leaves Jalen Reagor, Tyquan Thornton, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Kawaan Baker, and TJ Luther as the most likely players battling for a roster spot. Smith-Schuster may find himself gone after June 1st, with Thornton as the most notable name who will either be competing for a role or possibly find himself as a trade candidate. Kawaan Baker and TJ Luther are both players who will be longshots, and that’s provided they’re still here by the time camp opens as the Patriots shed players to potentially make room to target those who are jettisoned as teams begin parting with current players. Either way, it’s clear that the Patriots are looking to create a group that’s more dangerous down the field and guys who can challenge defenders. Some don’t necessarily love Polk, comparing him to DeVante Parker, while others have questions about Baker, who draws comparisons to Bourne. But both are absolutely guys who attack the football and should be fun to watch. As a result, they may not be splashy names, but Wolf quietly did an adequate job weaponizing a group that is certainly better and should be more of a problem for opponents than it was a year ago. Left Tackle Still Has Questions With New England going receiver in round two, that left the pick of tackles a little limited by the time the third round opened. However, Wolf said Friday night that despite the urge to trade back when it was time to pick at the 68th overall spot in Round 3, the guy they were targeting, Penn State’s Caedan Wallace, was still there, and they felt the smart move was to go ahead and take him. “Wallace was a guy we had targeted,” said Wolf. “We had some exploratory conversations about possibly moving back from 68, and then it was just kind of like, ‘Well, why? This is the guy we had wanted all along.’ So, sometimes it doesn’t fall for you. It fell pretty nicely for us today.” The former Nittany Lion spent his career anchoring the right side of the line, with some wondering why the Patriots targeted a right tackle given their need on the left side. However, both Wolf and Wallace told reporters that making the transition to the other side is something they’re confident about shouldn’t be an issue. “Yeah, we feel like Caedan has the athleticism to play over on the left side,” said Wolf. “Really, his teammate, Olu Fashanu that the Jets drafted was the reason that he played on the right. So, athletically there’s no reason why he couldn’t make the switch over there. He’s a really smart dedicated kid that we feel like can handle that.” Wallace said that “it’s been a while” since he played left tackle in a game, but admitted that he spent time there during the Shrine Bowl and didn’t hesitate when asked how confident he was that he could make the transition to left tackle. “Extremely confident,” said Wallace. “I mean, I play every position on the line and I’m just excited to get there and learn under some great coaches and get after it.” Still, the Boston Herald’s Andrew Callahan challenged Mayo on that later on Saturday, with Callahan recalling the issue Matt Light had playing on the other side despite being a player who was both smart and athletic. However, Mayo pushed back, saying his confidence in his coaching staff and the intel they have on the player. “Look, I love the way that he plays, but after having conversations with Van Pelt, Scotty Peters and that group and [assistant offensive line coach Robert] Kugler, they were very confident that this guy could play on both sides,” said Mayo. “So I have to have confidence that I picked the right people to evaluate or project what this guy can do going forward.” Mayo also added that while it’s still his call, he’s confident in the guys around him who will be responsible for executing Wallace’s transition. “I’m not into micromanaging or anything like that. If the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach say, ‘Hey, this guy can do X, Y, and Z,’ all right, I’ll take it in, but at the end of the day, someone has to make that decision, which is me, but I already made the decision that we picked some good coaches.” Strange Injury Now a Big Question Mark With the former first-round pick suffering a season-ending injury in December, the selection of Texas A&M’s Layden Robinson is definitely eyebrow-raising. Robinson is considered to be an interior lineman, which obviously opened the door for questions given the number of guards the Patriots currently have. The thought is that perhaps he was selected as additional insurance for Strange, who may or may not be ready to go by the time training camp opens. The other thought is that players like Atonio Mafi and others may not fit the scheme that Alex Van Pelt are planning on running, and it may indicate that the club brought in Robinson to give them some additional depth as they begin transitioning their offense. Strange suffered a knee injury during training camp that reports indicated required surgery, with Strange opting to try and play through it. He ended up appearing on the injury report to start the year and remained there, appearing on it for the first eight weeks of the season. However, he missed the season opener while playing 100% of the snaps in Week 2, along with 61% of the snaps against the Jets in Week 3, before seemingly aggravating it. He was then inactive for the next three weeks, with Strange being “limited” on the practice reports over that span. He finally came off the injury report after week eight. But an injury against Kansas City on December 17th knocked him out for the rest of the season, which now has his status heading into 2024 in question. www.patsfans.com/patriots/blog/2024/04/28/five-thoughts-on-the-patriots-draft-picks-overall-wolf-played-it-safe/Did you just write “Cole Strange sucks” and proceed to copy/paste somebody else’s very lengthy article in support of that theory but nowhere does it suggest he sucks? He sucks based on what? He played the third most snaps on the Patriot's offense his rookie season. He hurt the knee that would eventually require surgery at the very end of training camp last season and played through it anyway. He started ten games on an injured knee. David Andrews said he was playing the best ball of his young career despite the injury when he injured the same knee again against the Chiefs. You'd think Patriot fans would respect a player playing through injury, but the more important thing is that BB drafted him at the end of the first round and BB was a meanie... so by default Strange has to suck at his job. This is just anti BB bullsht. If Strange is healthy, he's a very good starter and can get out and run at an elite level. He's an exceptional athlete, strong and smart. If he keeps getting injured, then he becomes an injury "bust" by default... but nobody can say he plays consistently bad football. Strange is the second coming of Isaiah Wynn. He's always hurt. For the second year in a row he can't be counted on going into the 2024 season, as he's still rehabbing from an injury he suffered last year. You can talk all you want about how wonderful the guy is - but he's never on the field. Did you notice that the Patriots drafted another guard this year in Robinson? They did it for insurance again due to the annual Strange happenings with Strange.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 29, 2024 7:02:51 GMT -5
Strange is the second coming of Isaiah Wynn. He's always hurt. For the second year in a row he can't be counted on going into the 2024 season, as he's still rehabbing from an injury he suffered last year. You can talk all you want about how wonderful the guy is - but he's never on the field. Did you notice that the Patriots drafted another guard this year in Robinson? They did it for insurance again due to the annual Strange happenings with Strange. Like I said, Strange played the third most snaps on the Patriot's offense his rookie season. He hurt his knee last season leaving camp and played through injury until he hurt the same knee which ended his season at ten starts. One knee injury sustained during the season doesn’t make him injury prone and playing through it shows he’s not a pssy. You saying he is injury prone is like saying Brady was injury prone because he missed 2008 with a knee injury. If Strange misses vast portions of seasons going forward, you might have a point… right now all you have a silly agenda because you hated the pick of a guard in the draft.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 29, 2024 7:11:41 GMT -5
Strange is the second coming of Isaiah Wynn. He's always hurt. For the second year in a row he can't be counted on going into the 2024 season, as he's still rehabbing from an injury he suffered last year. You can talk all you want about how wonderful the guy is - but he's never on the field. Did you notice that the Patriots drafted another guard this year in Robinson? They did it for insurance again due to the annual Strange happenings with Strange. Like I said, Strange played the third most snaps on the Patriot's offense his rookie season. He hurt his knee last season leaving camp and played through injury until he hurt the same knee which ended his season at ten starts. One knee injury sustained during the season doesn’t make him injury prone and playing through it shows he’s not a pssy. You saying he is injury prone is like saying Brady was injury prone because he missed 2008 with a knee injury. If Strange misses vast portions of seasons going forward, you might have a point… right now all you have a silly agenda because you hated the pick of a guard in the draft. No. I hated the pick of another injury prone offensive lineman. Are you seriously telling us that in retrospect you liked the Strange pick - a guy who most analysts believed should have gone in the 3rd round? I not even going to get into the disaster of Bill's second pick in that awful 2022 draft, WR Tyquan Thorton. He's been as big a flop as Strange. No one here defends Bill Belichick more than I. But, unlike you, I try to be objective. You tend to be a subjective homer. To each their own.
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Post by PatsFanInExile on Apr 29, 2024 7:16:50 GMT -5
Someone compiled the draft grades from 20 'experts'. Pats draft ranked 12th. /photo/1 Everyone knows that draft grades this early are meaningless. That said, when drafting from the Patriots position they should be up with Chicago and Washington. If someone took the time to adjust this spreadsheet based on draft order the Patriots would look much worse. Only time will tell.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 29, 2024 7:37:35 GMT -5
No. I hated the pick of another injury prone offensive lineman. Are you seriously telling us that in retrospect you liked the Strange pick - a guy who most analysts believed should have gone in the 3rd round? I not even going to get into the disaster of Bill's second pick in that awful 2022 draft, WR Tyquan Thorton. He's been as big a flop as Strange. No one here defends Bill Belichick more than I. But, unlike you, I try to be objective. You tend to be a subjective homer. To each their own. One knee injury does not make him injury prone. You didn’t like the pick of a guard, we get it.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 29, 2024 7:40:00 GMT -5
Everyone knows that draft grades this early are meaningless. That said, when drafting from the Patriots position they should be up with Chicago and Washington. If someone took the time to adjust this spreadsheet based on draft order the Patriots would look much worse. Only time will tell. Anyone who believes the collaboration station that Caeden Wallace was their left tackle of choice is sniffing the glue and drinking the koolaid at the same time. They fell asleep at the wheel on left tackle in the second round and were playing catch up the entire draft. This caused them to reach for players from that point on. Javon Baker was the only prospect taken at a good position of value in the draft afterwards. Maye raises the entire grade of this draft, take away the first pick of all 32 teams and grade them over and the Pats get one of the worst grades in the NFL.
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Post by PatsFanInExile on Apr 29, 2024 7:46:51 GMT -5
Everyone knows that draft grades this early are meaningless. That said, when drafting from the Patriots position they should be up with Chicago and Washington. If someone took the time to adjust this spreadsheet based on draft order the Patriots would look much worse. Only time will tell. Anyone who believes the collaboration station that Caeden Wallace was their left tackle of choice is sniffing the glue and drinking the koolaid at the same time. They fell asleep at the wheel on left tackle in the second round and were playing catch up the entire draft. This caused them to reach for players from that point on. Javon Baker was the only prospect taken at a good position of value in the draft afterwards. Maye raises the entire grade of this draft, take away the first pick of all 32 teams and grade them over and the Pats get one of the worst grades in the NFL. What makes it extra puzzling is that even if they weren’t expecting the run on OTs in the 1st round the whole draft room had the entire night to sleep on things, wake up, regroup, and make adjustments based on what transpired. They were picking 2nd on Day 2 and it looks like they decided not to do any homework.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 29, 2024 7:47:37 GMT -5
the team had too many holes to fix in one offseason. free agency is quickly becoming over rated, with a very few and very expensive options coming available, as more and more teams understand the importance of the playmaker, and wrapping them up early. we also saw very few OT on the market, with Onwenu perhaps being the best option (or Trent Brown, no thanks)
reports are that the team tried to trade up with the Bills, who opted to the Panthers. Seems that the Pats had eyes on Leggette or Coleman. with them off the board, I had no issue with Polk. I would have also had no issue with Baker 30 slots higher.
seems to me that they had Polk rated higher than some of the OT left.
the team seemed to have started to fill their holes at QB and WR. they have a lot of bodies to compete on the OL.
coaching will be the difference maker
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Post by texaspat on Apr 29, 2024 7:54:34 GMT -5
No. I hated the pick of another injury prone offensive lineman. Are you seriously telling us that in retrospect you liked the Strange pick - a guy who most analysts believed should have gone in the 3rd round? I not even going to get into the disaster of Bill's second pick in that awful 2022 draft, WR Tyquan Thorton. He's been as big a flop as Strange. No one here defends Bill Belichick more than I. But, unlike you, I try to be objective. You tend to be a subjective homer. To each their own. One knee injury does not make him injury prone. You didn’t like the pick of a guard, we get it. Whatever you say, Big Guy.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 29, 2024 8:04:54 GMT -5
Strange played major snaps his rookie year, but was pulled and benched against the Jets and sat the next game against Indy. year 2 he missed 7 games with injury and parts of 2 others. reports are he is recovering from surgery this offseason. he may not be ready to start camp. he is an older 3rd year player
hard to grade a player oft injured, but when healthy he has been solid. nothing more. not saying they are better players, nor saying they will be better players down the road. but I see more upside in Sow, J Andrews and maybe Mafi once he learns the position. those 3 will be coaching dependent. I believe we are seeing Strange's ceiling already
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 29, 2024 8:11:40 GMT -5
the team had too many holes to fix in one offseason. free agency is quickly becoming over rated, with a very few and very expensive options coming available, as more and more teams understand the importance of the playmaker, and wrapping them up early. we also saw very few OT on the market, with Onwenu perhaps being the best option (or Trent Brown, no thanks) This is completely false. They entered this draft needing a QB, a Left Tackle and an X WR. When they could have done the exact same thing they did in the second round by trading down, then taking Patrick Paul/Kingsley Suamataia instead and using the two picks they squandered on Caedan Wallace in the 3rd and Layden Robinson in the 4th to trade back up into the second to take Ja'Lynn Polk instead... they didn't do a good job. They could have mitigated the desperate need for a left tackle prior to the draft by signing a quality left tackle starter like Oli Udoh, Andrus Peat or Yosh Nijman instead of Okorafor who sucks. All these guys got similar or less money than Chuka and are better players. Hell... they could have done both of these ^ things and had a stud starting left tackle on a short term deal, with a stud LT prospect waiting in the wings and getting valuable backup snaps. You'll protect the collaboration station at all costs, even when they screw up... because anything is better than Bill.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 29, 2024 8:14:25 GMT -5
the team had too many holes to fix in one offseason. free agency is quickly becoming over rated, with a very few and very expensive options coming available, as more and more teams understand the importance of the playmaker, and wrapping them up early. we also saw very few OT on the market, with Onwenu perhaps being the best option (or Trent Brown, no thanks) This is completely false. They entered this draft needing a QB, a Left Tackle and an X WR. When they could have done the exact same thing they did in the second round by trading down, then taking Patrick Paul/Kingsley Suamataia instead and using the two picks they squandered on Caedan Wallace in the 3rd and Layden Robinson in the 4th to trade back up into the second to take Ja'Lynn Polk instead... they didn't do a good job. They could have mitigated the desperate need for a left tackle prior to the draft by signing a quality left tackle starter like Oli Udoh, Andrus Peat or Yosh Nijman instead of Okorafor who sucks. All these guys got similar or less money than Chuka and are better players. Hell... they could have done both of these ^ things and had a stud starting left tackle on a short term deal, with a stud LT prospect waiting in the wings and getting valuable backup snaps. You'll protect the collaboration station at all costs, even when they screw up... because anything is better than Bill. you have no idea what their draft board looked like you have no idea how Okorafor will play you have no idea on Andersons health you have no idea if Wallace can play in the nfl and at what position otherwise, you are right
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 29, 2024 8:17:33 GMT -5
Strange played major snaps his rookie year, but was pulled and benched against the Jets and sat the next game against Indy. year 2 he missed 7 games with injury and parts of 2 others. reports are he is recovering from surgery this offseason. he may not be ready to start camp. he is an older 3rd year player hard to grade a player oft injured, but when healthy he has been solid. nothing more. not saying they are better players, nor saying they will be better players down the road. but I see more upside in Sow, J Andrews and maybe Mafi once he learns the position. those 3 will be coaching dependent. I believe we are seeing Strange's ceiling already Top sentence is false, he started all 17 games his rookie season. He was pulled from a game for a teachable moment as a rookie and was eventually reinserted. He was a rookie. He hurt his knee at the end of camp last year and played through an injury that eventually required surgery to fix, he played until he re-injured the same knee. Against a 3X All Pro and 6X Pro Bowler as a rookie... It's not hard to grade him, he had rookie bumps the first half of his rookie season then played great in the second half of the season. When healthy he has played great. One knee injury doesn't make him injury prone.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 29, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5
Strange played major snaps his rookie year, but was pulled and benched against the Jets and sat the next game against Indy. year 2 he missed 7 games with injury and parts of 2 others. reports are he is recovering from surgery this offseason. he may not be ready to start camp. he is an older 3rd year player hard to grade a player oft injured, but when healthy he has been solid. nothing more. not saying they are better players, nor saying they will be better players down the road. but I see more upside in Sow, J Andrews and maybe Mafi once he learns the position. those 3 will be coaching dependent. I believe we are seeing Strange's ceiling already Top sentence is false, he started all 17 games his rookie season. He was pulled from a game for a teachable moment as a rookie and was eventually reinserted. He was a rookie. He hurt his knee at the end of camp last year and played through an injury that eventually required surgery to fix, he played until he re-injured the same knee. Against a 3X All Pro and 6X Pro Bowler as a rookie... It's not hard to grade him, he had rookie bumps the first half of his rookie season then played great in the second half of the season. When healthy he has played great. One knee injury doesn't make him injury prone. he was pulled from the Jets game and played 24 snaps against Indy. 4 OL played 100% of the snaps and a 5th OL played double Stranges snaps. you can tell us all day how good he is. I see an average player to date. I believe he is on the roster bubble he was injured on 2 seperate occasions year 2. the first 6 games he was inactive for 4 games. the last 3 games he did not play. he appears to not be ready to start camp this season.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 29, 2024 8:33:00 GMT -5
he was pulled from the Jets game and played 24 snaps against Indy. 4 OL played 100% of the snaps and a 5th OL played double Stranges snaps. you can tell us all day how good he is. I see an average player to date. I believe he is on the roster bubble he was injured on 2 seperate occasions year 2. the first 6 games he was inactive for 4 games. the last 3 games he did not play. he appears to not be ready to start camp this season. He started all 17 games as a rookie, so you were wrong about that. He also started 100% of the snaps for the last eight games of his rookie season and played great. He was a rookie, getting taught and developed is what it's about, most rookies don't play at all. He injured his knee leaving camp last year, played through the injury, then re-injured the same knee against the Chiefs... one knee injury doesn't make him injury prone and usually a player toughing it out on a knee that requires surgery to fix later is lauded. But you hate BB and he drafted Strange... so there's that.
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Post by salcon on Apr 29, 2024 9:15:15 GMT -5
I like Cole Strange. Wallace at LT? We'll have to see if the Collaboration knew what they're doing. So far, ...
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 29, 2024 9:27:37 GMT -5
I like Cole Strange. Wallace at LT? We'll have to see if the Collaboration knew what they're doing. So far, … Yeah, regardless of whether or not Strange was a reach and should have been drafted where he was, he plays decent when healthy. He won't be confused with a pro bowler but he plays solid. He plays like crap when he isn't healthy and is playing through an injury. We can't knock players for being tough enough to play through an injury. I assume they only do that because the team is asking them to still go out there. As for Wallace, we got to let the Collaboration have time to prove it. For all the grief we give them, it's a bit refreshing for them to just come out and say what they are thinking with him. They are saying he can be a LT. If they're right we have no problem.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 29, 2024 9:40:27 GMT -5
I like Cole Strange. Wallace at LT? We'll have to see if the Collaboration knew what they're doing. So far, … Yeah, regardless of whether or not Strange was a reach and should have been drafted where he was, he plays decent when healthy. He won't be confused with a pro bowler but he plays solid. He plays like crap when he isn't healthy and is playing through an injury. We can't knock players for being tough enough to play through an injury. I assume they only do that because the team is asking them to still go out there. As for Wallace, we got to let the Collaboration have time to prove it. For all the grief we give them, it's a bit refreshing for them to just come out and say what they are thinking with him. They are saying he can be a LT. If they're right we have no problem. I said he was solid and most likely reached his ceiling
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Post by salcon on Apr 29, 2024 9:48:00 GMT -5
I like Cole Strange. Wallace at LT? We'll have to see if the Collaboration knew what they're doing. So far, … Yeah, regardless of whether or not Strange was a reach and should have been drafted where he was, he plays decent when healthy. He won't be confused with a pro bowler but he plays solid. He plays like crap when he isn't healthy and is playing through an injury. We can't knock players for being tough enough to play through an injury. I assume they only do that because the team is asking them to still go out there. As for Wallace, we got to let the Collaboration have time to prove it. For all the grief we give them, it's a bit refreshing for them to just come out and say what they are thinking with him. They are saying he can be a LT. If they're right we have no problem. I want competence/results. I don't care about refreshing.
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Post by freediro on Apr 29, 2024 10:12:13 GMT -5
Yeah, regardless of whether or not Strange was a reach and should have been drafted where he was, he plays decent when healthy. He won't be confused with a pro bowler but he plays solid. He plays like crap when he isn't healthy and is playing through an injury. We can't knock players for being tough enough to play through an injury. I assume they only do that because the team is asking them to still go out there. As for Wallace, we got to let the Collaboration have time to prove it. For all the grief we give them, it's a bit refreshing for them to just come out and say what they are thinking with him. They are saying he can be a LT. If they're right we have no problem. I want competence/results. I don't care about refreshing. that will take an immense amount of patience and ability to understand growing pains will be had. My best case scenario for the team next year is 10 wins if it’s with Maye, but also could easily see us only winning 5 games. Whichever way it’s done I want to see contribution and growth of our rookie draft class, especially Maye/Polk/Baker, and I want to see Wallace rotated with Okafor at LT to prove he can play there.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 29, 2024 16:02:09 GMT -5
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Post by paulk on Apr 29, 2024 16:24:10 GMT -5
At this time of year, I operate on a trust that the war room did most or all of its job.
Last draft, 11 of 12 players stuck with the team and are still on the 2024 roster so far. The 12th was waivered to the practice squad but was poached away by Indianapolis.
This next week, Wolf and Mayo are going to explain the curious, unique and unknown traits that each of their picks has. I expect that things will often sound a bit better.
Then again, any new regime can possibly have a fundamental hole in it that you could drive a truck through. So, we'll have to get a good look at these guys in camp. Just as important, we'll see which rookie players the coaches have placed with the starters or with the second team. Pop Douglas was an overlooked sixth rounder once, and then everybody was expecting a miracle out of Kayshon Boutte.
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