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Post by patslifer on Apr 25, 2016 9:28:44 GMT -5
Dan Vitale was scouted by the Pats and interviewed on WEEI this am a FB/TE/Slot Receiver. Seems to fit Pats to a Tee. Looks to be a 4th - 5th rounder They don't have any now. Would they use the 3rd round comp pick on him? You never know with BB, but Rd 3 is too rich for me on Vitale. I like the player, but I think they can land a more talented player in Rd 3, especially if they're looking to add a back (Vitale isn't a ball carrier, or wasn't utilized as one at NW)... and wouldn't consider him until the Rd 5-7 range. Ahh...the perfect BB, head scratcher pick. We can count on 1 of those in this draft as well. Does he play ST? If so, book it. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 9:30:44 GMT -5
I'm not impressed with Booker, slow to me. Also thing I noticed, he never shifts the ball. He'll run on Right Sideline, and keep it in Left Arm. In fact every run I saw he didn't shift it. Not that quick to the Line. Can he catch? I'd rather take Tyler Ervin, a Round later. More Multi-dimensional, Special Team contributor, very fast to line. This O-line needs speed to the line, to be effective.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2016 11:12:48 GMT -5
Too early to start the inevitable love affair that this thread will have with Christian McCaffrey next year?!
You can also add FSU WR Travis Rudolph and Iowa CB Desmond King (looked like a stud in the tape I've seen and could be the Top CB in next years draft).
Also, my seeming endless affinity for smaller CB's has led me to Wisconsin's Sojourn Shelton (5-9 176). He looks like a twitchy, active, aggressive kid and has popped on the tape that I've seen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 11:40:03 GMT -5
With the TB suspension I think Runningback is higher priority now.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 25, 2016 11:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 12:13:52 GMT -5
Great stuff JJ! Thanks. Brains wins a lot of Football games.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2016 12:46:23 GMT -5
Good read, thanks for sharing.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2016 12:47:30 GMT -5
With the TB suspension I think Runningback is higher priority now. OL as well... you need to protect the kid and give him as much time as possible as he won't be able to process/make decisions as quickly as TB.
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Post by patseng on Apr 25, 2016 14:06:13 GMT -5
Reading the quote and mention of the Ole Miss game I'm getting the gut feeling it was talking about Cody Core. A late round WR who is fringe draftable with good hands.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2016 14:36:09 GMT -5
Reading the quote and mention of the Ole Miss game I'm getting the gut feeling it was talking about Cody Core. A late round WR who is fringe draftable with good hands. See I took it as the prospect wanted to watch tape of the Ole Miss game. My guess is Alabama's Richard Mullaney, as a late round, draftable kid that wasn't invited to the combine, and his best game of the season was 7 catches for 61 yards and 2 TD's vs. Ole Miss. His former coach at Oregon State (Mike Riley) said Mullaney has some of the best hands he's ever been around (Caserio seemed to mention the prospects hands multiple times). He also didn't run very fast at his pro day (4.76). I also wonder if the OL that was having trouble with Scar's questions was Dominick Jackson?
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Post by patseng on Apr 25, 2016 14:46:01 GMT -5
Reading the quote and mention of the Ole Miss game I'm getting the gut feeling it was talking about Cody Core. A late round WR who is fringe draftable with good hands. See I took it as the prospect wanted to watch tape of the Ole Miss game. My guess is Alabama's Richard Mullaney, as a late round, draftable kid that wasn't invited to the combine, and his best game of the season was 7 catches for 61 yards and 2 TD's vs. Ole Miss. His former coach at Oregon State (Mike Riley) said Mullaney has some of the best hands he's ever been around (Caserio seemed to mention the prospects hands multiple times). He also didn't run very fast at his pro day (4.76). I also wonder if the OL that was having trouble with Scar's questions was Dominick Jackson? I thought about that but knowing the Pats they wouldn't want anything published that other teams can limit the possibilities to a player they like. It just said they tossed in an Ole Miss video which would be true in Core's case because every video in an Ole Miss video
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 25, 2016 14:54:40 GMT -5
Looking at the SPARQ ratings 3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/I wonder if BB worked out this OG Andrew Zeller (6051, 297) played most of the year at 315. 7.21 3 cone, 1.68 ten yard and 5.01 40. Another guy rated high is from Amherst OG Sam Hart (6030, 291) Div III Different way to look at measurables, not a bad system. Film is the best.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2016 15:46:35 GMT -5
I'm not impressed with Booker, slow to me. Also thing I noticed, he never shifts the ball. He'll run on Right Sideline, and keep it in Left Arm. In fact every run I saw he didn't shift it. Not that quick to the Line. Can he catch? I'd rather take Tyler Ervin, a Round later. More Multi-dimensional, Special Team contributor, very fast to line. This O-line needs speed to the line, to be effective. I like him a lot more as a Rd 3 kid, than a Rd 2 kid. I agree that he's not a homerun type back, but has good size (right at/near that 220 mark), excellent scheme fit for NE's pro-style/zone blocking system... good quicks/agility and very good vision to create for himself, and while he's note a pure banger between the tackles, he seems to finish his runs with some toughness. He has potential in pass pro, but will need to improve there... he can also catch the football, and has 3-down potential.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 25, 2016 17:40:10 GMT -5
Man I feel sorry for you guys trying to remember where you left off in your thread. Jets a thread of laughs will test my memory!
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 25, 2016 18:28:52 GMT -5
Was just checking out Fitzy at townienews.com and this is his take on trying to predict a Pats draft.
"The basic things to look for in every Belichick Pats draft are…
D-Line / O-Line / Trade Down / Safety You Never Heard Of / Headscratcher / Unknown Receiver / Rutgers / Navy / LB Or TE Who Will Never Make A Contribution / Trade With Andy Reid"
He cracks me up. He supposed to post another webcast on the 4 game suspension reversal tonight.
Go Pats!
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2016 18:41:37 GMT -5
Was just checking out Fitzy at townienews.com and this is his take on trying to predict a Pats draft. "The basic things to look for in every Belichick Pats draft are… D-Line / O-Line / Trade Down / Safety You Never Heard Of / Headscratcher / Unknown Receiver / Rutgers / Navy / LB Or TE Who Will Never Make A Contribution / Trade With Andy Reid" He cracks me up. He supposed to post another webcast on the 4 game suspension reversal tonight. Go Pats! Haha, well he's done pretty well with LB/TE in recent years. You've had Gronk, Mayo, Hightower, Collins and Hern... until the latter decided to start killing people... the rest is pretty spot on though.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2016 18:42:37 GMT -5
Man I feel sorry for you guys trying to remember where you left off in your thread. Jets a thread of laughs will test my memory! We're into mock season, so most dialogue now is discussing scenarios, ha.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 25, 2016 18:52:11 GMT -5
Was just checking out Fitzy at townienews.com and this is his take on trying to predict a Pats draft. "The basic things to look for in every Belichick Pats draft are… D-Line / O-Line / Trade Down / Safety You Never Heard Of / Headscratcher / Unknown Receiver / Rutgers / Navy / LB Or TE Who Will Never Make A Contribution / Trade With Andy Reid" He cracks me up. He supposed to post another webcast on the 4 game suspension reversal tonight. Go Pats! Haha, well he's done pretty well with LB/TE in recent years. You've had Gronk, Mayo, Hightower, Collins and Hern... until the latter decided to start killing people... the rest is pretty spot on though. I agree the front 7 has been solid of late. I think he's referring to the Shawn Crable, Jermaine Cunningham, Tyrone McKenzie, Markel Carter type picks. That's just some LB's off the top of my head. Hehe.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2016 1:47:45 GMT -5
So having a beer with friends last night and the topic of bad 3rd round picks came up. And the question we had is what player could you see the Pats taking for in the 3rd that you would question why reach there, why risk with his injures, why risk with his off field issues? For me I just kept thinking the German WR Boehringer. Don't know why but he seemed like the gamble BB takes with WRs in the 3rd (reminders of Price). Not only that but BB seems to like German players. Honestly the kids a priority UDFA so I would use a 7th to make sure you get him but wouldn't be shocked to see BB use a 3rd on him Reaching for a raw route runner, with small hands and a fast 40 time, like Kolby Listenbee in Rd 3, would prob grind my gears. Damn you beat me to it. That is exactly the type of pick they make and I frickin hate. I was going to make a post about the one player I do NOT want them to take and it was going to be Listenbee.
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Post by patriotfan74 on Apr 26, 2016 2:44:15 GMT -5
do you guys think there as any way that BB moves up into the top of the 2nd round to target any particular player?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 26, 2016 8:35:59 GMT -5
do you guys think there as any way that BB moves up into the top of the 2nd round to target any particular player? When it comes to BB, you can never say never. The question would be, what prospect would he value enough to make such a jump, and how high is the jump? If a kid like William Jackson III or Cody Whitehair or Jason Spriggs or Jonathan Bullard, (or maybe an edge rusher) etc, were available in the early 40's, maybe. Of that group, I think Spriggs and Bullard are the most likely to be available in that range, and don't expect Jackson to make it out of the Top 20/25.
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Post by stinkman on Apr 26, 2016 8:45:53 GMT -5
We could use some help on the OL/D-LINES. But I like Shepard(OK)and Miller(Ohio State) a lot, you people know way more of this draft stuff then me. This kid Miller got raw talent. He's fast He's good, as well as Shepard. But they need help in other areas... I get it
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 26, 2016 9:02:04 GMT -5
We could use some help on the OL/D-LINES. But I like Shepard(OK)and Miller(Ohio State) a lot, you people know way more of this draft stuff then me. This kid Miller got raw talent. He's fast He's good, as well as Shepard. But they need help in other areas... I get it I'm leaning OL/DL at this point as well, as the game is generally won in the trenches, and they have a solid history of hitting on players early at both positions. I also think the OL need is magnified if JG will be under center for the first (4) games. Sure he's more mobile that TB, but they'll need to protect him for as long as possible, as he wont be able to process/decide where he wants to go with the football as quickly as TB would. Miller and Shepard are both perfect fits for what BB likes in his WR's... quicker than fast (though both have good speed), with the ability to separate in the short/intermediate areas of the field and pick up yards after the catch. I think Miller has more upside, and gives them more versatility, but Shepard is more of the proven commodity. I'd be stoked to land either in Rd 2. Overall, I don't like the depth at WR in this class.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2016 10:39:19 GMT -5
We could use some help on the OL/D-LINES. But I like Shepard(OK)and Miller(Ohio State) a lot, you people know way more of this draft stuff then me. This kid Miller got raw talent. He's fast He's good, as well as Shepard. But they need help in other areas... I get it This comes down to the typical argument of Brady's window with regards to Miller. Which way is the wind blowing do people want to win NOW or draft for potential and upside. Miller is a project. You might be able to craft half a dozen plays for him a game in the Pats offense. Maybe. He'll need more time than the typical WR since he is going through transition and has little experience playing the position. Dynamic athlete though. It took Edelman 4 years to really crack the depth chart and become a big part of the offense when everyone was healthy. It was clear from his 1st yr he was a more dynamic athlete than Welker however. You could end up waiting a bit for Miller to impact. How high you want to draft him to hurry up and wait? With Edelman he was late round so not a huge bother for people to wait. In fact most people complained Edelman was a jag and Brady needed real weapons during Edelmans first few years. Shepard is a guy we all like but I think he is getting a bit over valued because the WR class is so weak. Not his fault. I do not think he plays as consistently fast as he timed. He looks like he could possibly come in and play almost right away or very quickly, which is in big contrast to Miller in my opinion. That said he is still one of my two favorites for the slot role. It is unclear to me if he is capable of playing other roles at a high level. Perimeter players are exceedingly difficult to evaluate and project from the college game to the pros (WR/DB/RB). The games are played very differently at the two levels. The next question is that the GM/Coach is building a team and filling roles. Are the Pats looking for a new slot WR as their biggest WR priority? Or are they looking to fill a X, F, or Z role more? Here is a list on how I would slot in some of the WR's in this class I have watched and liked to varying degrees. I have no idea how the Pats view their role, this is only how I would imagine them fitting in the Pats system. Some of them could potentially function in multiple roles so I am only listing my primary opinion on where I think they would function best. WR(f (inside))
Devon Cajuste Day 3 WR(x - split end(outside))
Rashard Higgins Day 2 Devin Lucien Day 3 (unique situation w/ transfer and joining team late then leading nation in final games of season once up to speed in the offense) Paul McRoberts Day 3 Michael Thomas Day 3 (So. Miss) Aaron Burbridge Day 3 (Brian Hartline, late season hands?, production from one yr) Keyarris Garrette Day 3 Moritz Boehringer 3+ (project) WR(z - flanker)
Tyler Boyd Day 2 (Jarvis Landry, Keenan Allen, Skinny Anquan Boldin) Leonte Caroo Day 2 (character?) Malcolm Mitchell Day 2/3 Kenny Lawler Day 3 Tarjae Sharp Day 3 Roger Lewis Day 3 (character?) WR(slot)
Sterling Shepard Day 2 (poorman cobb, Branch 2.0?, Eddie Royal) Braxton Miller Day 2/3 (project) Demarcus Ayers Day 3 Daniel Braverman Day 3+ (size/frame?) Keenan Reynolds Day 3 (Project) Byron Marshall Day 3+ (RB?)
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Post by wazzu on Apr 26, 2016 10:54:10 GMT -5
Hey all you Daniel Braverman fans. Patriots had him in for a private workout.
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