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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2016 21:21:16 GMT -5
Anyone have some gut feeling predictions? I'm feeling that WR Tyler Boyd is gonna be picked. Some drafts have been obvious. Like going into the draft where they took Gronk and Hern. I loved Gronk and MB loved Hern and the Pats took both but it was easy to see because the Pats went into that draft with virtually zero TE's currently on the roster. This year the roster is pretty good imo, talent wise, but so many spots have expiring contracts next year that I really have no idea how the Pats are prioritizing. As far as Boyd. I like him a lot. He lined up all over the formation for Pitt. He has great hands and catches everything near him including or especially in heavy traffic or contested balls. He will climb the ladder and highpoint his catches. He runs excellent routs and is both savvy and smooth. He has good body control but he is not a burner by any stretch and that is the biggest concern people have with him in regards to stepping up to the next level as a pro. One of the things I like about offensive weapons though is when players are "the guy" at their school and teams come in basically knowing they need to stop that player and that player still puts up outstanding production. Boyd did that. I think it is why they moved him all over the formation trying to help him beat and avoid that extra attention.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2016 21:52:53 GMT -5
DE makes sense just the way DT makes sense. All DL starters less brown are FA next year. This assumes of course that our starting line up is nink, brown, branch/pot roast , and sheard. Pats have some holes to fill in that group and not much is known of flowers, Grissom and Johnson. Quality DEs in this draft with starting capability run out in round 2/3. I don't see anyone in the draft we could take in the later rounds that has starter capability say over the 2nd year guys mentioned above. Anyone confirm? Meanwhile DT is deep in this draft. Therefore, I could see the pats grabbing a de with a move up into the early second and waiting until mid rounds to grab a DT. Again, I have no idea of what they think of flowers or Grissom and how they compare against potential targets like Kafusi. My last mock had us taking a DT and OT first 2 picks. I think I am warming up to more of a de and OT selection with DT taken later as it is deeper. When I first started watching guys the 1st guys to jump off the screen at me for pure pressuring the Qb were Leonard Floyd(DE/OLB/LB), Jonathan Bullard(DE/DT), Javon Hargrave(DT). That was when these guys were all projected much lower than they are now(Hargrave is easily gettable still but I later found Collins and Day). MB likes Day a round earlier but for me I have them all clumped together in ability. Then the Pats went and traded Chandler and I looked a lil bit more at DE's but even then not extensively. I just assumed with Nink, Long, Sheard, Grissom, Flowers, Johnson, McClellin that would have options to play with and figure it out. I like some of the guys that they could get their hands on but not overly impressed with them either(meaning they don't seem like they are guaranteed significant upgrades). (ie. Nassib, Calhoun, Kaufusi, Jenkins, Ngakhou etc.) Players like Ngakhou and Correa I have not even looked at yet at all. I plan on trying to tonight. You guys are usually much better at knowing the guys character issues or not, if he was a captain, how many seaosns he lettered, injury concerns, etc etc.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2016 22:04:54 GMT -5
Something I've always said in this yearly thread... You just are almost never in a true BPA situation in a salary cap free agency era.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2016 22:11:21 GMT -5
NFL.com
#60 Carl Nassib #61 Leontee Caroo #91 Hassan Ridgeway #96 Kenneth Dixon
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Post by joepatsfan111 on Apr 27, 2016 0:44:03 GMT -5
We all know that BB/NC see things a bit differently than most pre-draft publications. With that said, name one player that you feel like they could value more than most publications, and ultimately select in Rd 2. For me, I keep coming back to KeiVarae Russell. Prototype NE CB size, with big hands, to go along with high-end athleticism, versatility and a solid all around game. I love CB's that'll do their job vs. the run, and he provides that. I think he quickly becomes your #2 or #3 CB, while also excelling on ST... and he provides a hedge against losing either Butler or Ryan after the season. Completely agree for some reason I feel like at 60, 61 Bb will grab a CB to compete w Ryan for the 2/3 spot. I think Fuller or Russell will be the pick if he goes CB. I love both
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 0:49:25 GMT -5
If not having a first, fourth and fifth doesn't make this a difficult draft to call, the possibility of TB not playing the first four games certainly does.
I think they take some extra measure to improve the ground offense by adding beef on the OL. So I tweaked my mock draft.
R2, 60: OT Shon Coleman R2, 61: OG Josh Garnett (Doubtful if this violent run blocker will drop this far. Landon Turner would be my backup plan) R3, 91: DT Willie Henry (Past Butler and Clark, Henry and C Jones are the only ones who I've seen move double teams) R3, 96: FS/CB Sean Davis (This guy split between CB and S - has versatility that BB likes) R6, 196: OLB Antwione Williams R6, 204: WR Mike Thomas (Multi-purpose receiver) R6, 208: RB Aaron Green (Shifty and quick, probably could immediately backfill Lewis if needed) R6, 214: CB Ryan Smith R6, 221: WR Mitch Mathews (A very difficult mismatch for many CBs. Probably can help JG more, assuming they simplify the playbook.) R7, 243: RB Tra Carson (Can compete for top as the grinder for hard yards) R7, 250: RB Shadrach Thornton (A nutcase... but a very talented nutcase)
UDFA WR Casey Martin (JE understudy) RB Devon Johnson (Another big back) TE/OG Laquan McGowan (Could become a very good weapon if he loses 40 pounds)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 0:56:14 GMT -5
DE makes sense just the way DT makes sense. All DL starters less brown are FA next year. This assumes of course that our starting line up is nink, brown, branch/pot roast , and sheard. Pats have some holes to fill in that group and not much is known of flowers, Grissom and Johnson. Quality DEs in this draft with starting capability run out in round 2/3. I don't see anyone in the draft we could take in the later rounds that has starter capability say over the 2nd year guys mentioned above. Anyone confirm? Meanwhile DT is deep in this draft. Therefore, I could see the pats grabbing a de with a move up into the early second and waiting until mid rounds to grab a DT. Again, I have no idea of what they think of flowers or Grissom and how they compare against potential targets like Kafusi. My last mock had us taking a DT and OT first 2 picks. I think I am warming up to more of a de and OT selection with DT taken later as it is deeper. DT is deep but I don't think it's 6 rounds deep
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 0:58:33 GMT -5
We all know that BB/NC see things a bit differently than most pre-draft publications. With that said, name one player that you feel like they could value more than most publications, and ultimately select in Rd 2. For me, I keep coming back to KeiVarae Russell. Prototype NE CB size, with big hands, to go along with high-end athleticism, versatility and a solid all around game. I love CB's that'll do their job vs. the run, and he provides that. I think he quickly becomes your #2 or #3 CB, while also excelling on ST... and he provides a hedge against losing either Butler or Ryan after the season. Completely agree for some reason I feel like at 60, 61 Bb will grab a CB to compete w Ryan for the 2/3 spot. I think Fuller or Russell will be the pick if he goes CB. I love both Russell would be great but I have a feeling he sees in Sean Davis the versatility he saw in DMC.
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Post by patseng on Apr 27, 2016 7:17:55 GMT -5
NFL.com #60 Carl Nassib #61 Leontee Caroo Anyone but a women beater, even a 6th round S #91 Hassan Ridgeway #96 Kenneth Dixon There I fixed it Seriously I'd be pissed if they take Caroo. He slammed a women to concrete, reportedly is a bigger diva than Moss, doesn't think he needs to practice, takes plays off, and is generally not a nice person. After Easley incident and just the women beating incident alone I'd be extremely disappointed if they take the kid and would openly root against him. That's not even to mention he's a day 3 talent and to me there are better players and better fits if you really want to take a kid that early. Just on talent alone I'd take Boyd, Shepard, Allison, Cooper, Sharpe, Higgins before Caroo and that's discounting the off field stuff. Caroo would be a bigger mistake than Dobson imo, just not a good fit for this team in the least
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 27, 2016 8:07:25 GMT -5
I think BB guards against potential losses next year by going LB, OT, CB, DT in that order.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 8:24:35 GMT -5
A Young QB's best friend is a Running back that is Multi-Dimensional. Lewis might not be ready, Running Back from College, that picks up the Offense fast and can block and catch to me is crucial for the start of season. Position where you can start immediately.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 27, 2016 9:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by homefield on Apr 27, 2016 9:34:10 GMT -5
Really like Washington. He'd be perfect to back up Lewis and would be a threat in the running game, which is something White can't bring at all. I wouldn't mind if he's the top RB they take (3rd or 4th round range) and then draft a bigger power back like Barber later. I'd be happy if the RB depth looked like this: RB Dion Lewis DeAndre Washington Donald Brown Legarrette Blount Peyton Barber FB James Develin Clay Harbor Possible Cuts Brandon Bolden James White Joey Iosefa Tyler Gaffney
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Post by homefield on Apr 27, 2016 9:37:29 GMT -5
NFL.com #60 Carl Nassib #61 Leontee Caroo Anyone but a women beater, even a 6th round S #91 Hassan Ridgeway #96 Kenneth Dixon There I fixed it Seriously I'd be pissed if they take Caroo. He slammed a women to concrete, reportedly is a bigger diva than Moss, doesn't think he needs to practice, takes plays off, and is generally not a nice person. After Easley incident and just the women beating incident alone I'd be extremely disappointed if they take the kid and would openly root against him. That's not even to mention he's a day 3 talent and to me there are better players and better fits if you really want to take a kid that early. Just on talent alone I'd take Boyd, Shepard, Allison, Cooper, Sharpe, Higgins before Caroo and that's discounting the off field stuff. Caroo would be a bigger mistake than Dobson imo, just not a good fit for this team in the least Yeah I agree based on talent and character that pick would make me go ape-sh*t
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Post by homefield on Apr 27, 2016 9:47:04 GMT -5
Thought I'd just post one final mock for fun before the draft gets here. Reading up on all the diffrent players coming out, I feel more lost now with what BB will do. Add in all the draft picks, I'm sure there will be plenty of moving around the draft board. Trades: 3rd round traded for a 4th and 5th round pick. 2016 6th round for a 2017 5th round pick. 2016 6th round for a 2016 7th round and 2017 6th round 2-OT Germain Ifedi 2-DT Willie Henry 3-LB Jaylon Smith 4-G Joe Dahl 5-TE Stephen Anderson 6-QB/WR Keenan Reynolds 6-WR Daniel Braverman 6-RB Peyton Barber 7-WR Devon Cajuste 7-QB Jake Ruddock 7-FB Chris Swain Hope you all enjoy the draft this weekend! That'd be a solid, talented haul. Can't wait... took Friday off from work and everything. Thanks man. Enjoy the weekend! I know lots of people said they weren't as interested in the draft this year with no 1st round pick but as it approaches, I think I'm more excited this year than in previous years, since they currently have 4 day 2 picks (the strength of the draft). There only about 20 players with 1st round grades anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 9:57:40 GMT -5
I'm looking at Falcons, Saints, and Panthers as Trading Partners for those 6th Rounders. None have a 6th Rounder, Falcons with 5 Picks, Saints and Panthers both have 6 picks.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 27, 2016 10:11:20 GMT -5
If not having a first, fourth and fifth doesn't make this a difficult draft to call, the possibility of TB not playing the first four games certainly does. I think they take some extra measure to improve the ground offense by adding beef on the OL. So I tweaked my mock draft. R2, 60: OT Shon Coleman R2, 61: OG Josh Garnett (Doubtful if this violent run blocker will drop this far. Landon Turner would be my backup plan) R3, 91: DT Willie Henry (Past Butler and Clark, Henry and C Jones are the only ones who I've seen move double teams) R3, 96: FS/CB Sean Davis (This guy split between CB and S - has versatility that BB likes) R6, 196: OLB Antwione Williams R6, 204: WR Mike Thomas (Multi-purpose receiver) R6, 208: RB Aaron Green (Shifty and quick, probably could immediately backfill Lewis if needed) R6, 214: CB Ryan Smith R6, 221: WR Mitch Mathews (A very difficult mismatch for many CBs. Probably can help JG more, assuming they simplify the playbook.) R7, 243: RB Tra Carson (Can compete for top as the grinder for hard yards) R7, 250: RB Shadrach Thornton (A nutcase... but a very talented nutcase) UDFA WR Casey Martin (JE understudy) RB Devon Johnson (Another big back) TE/OG Laquan McGowan (Could become a very good weapon if he loses 40 pounds) A few comments: If they choose two oline players with the first two I do not think it will have anything to do with Garp playing the 1st 4 games. They might do that but I believe if they did that it would have been the plan all along assuming the guys they liked were there. I really do not believe the Pats are that short sighted to change draft plans based on Garp playing 4 games. 1) They drafted Garp because they liked him and believed in him and have been training and grooming him to play at some point possibly. 2) Garp has been the "only" backup to TB since his rookie season, I think(I don't think you are not doing that unless you have some sort of comfort level with him potentially playing) I'd be pretty happy with most of those players though. I don't know Mitch Mathews but the idea of simplifying the playbook for a WR is not something I see them doing. He don't get it and Brady isn't throwing to him. There is a decade of truth proving that. They would not do that for Garp either, they will just focus on the areas of the playbook Garp does best and is most comfortable with initially, but not simplify it.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 27, 2016 10:14:08 GMT -5
A Young QB's best friend is a Running back that is Multi-Dimensional. Lewis might not be ready, Running Back from College, that picks up the Offense fast and can block and catch to me is crucial for the start of season. Position where you can start immediately. Doesn't Donald Brown fill that requirement for at least 4 games? Former 1st rounder, vet, should be able to get the O, can run, can receive, can pass block and blitz pickup.
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Post by patseng on Apr 27, 2016 10:20:50 GMT -5
A Young QB's best friend is a Running back that is Multi-Dimensional. Lewis might not be ready, Running Back from College, that picks up the Offense fast and can block and catch to me is crucial for the start of season. Position where you can start immediately. Doesn't Donald Brown fill that requirement for at least 4 games? Former 1st rounder, vet, should be able to get the O, can run, can receive, can pass block and blitz pickup. In short no, in long no he's a JAG that might not even make it out of camp. Being a former 1st round pick is meaningless (ask Maroney) if you just aren't any good and Brown hasn't shown to be anything but a 2nd or 3rd tier 3rd down back that is a fringe back of the roster player. As depth he's fine but if you are counting on him to be a lead back for 4 games you might as well count on White learning how to tie his shoelaces before running between the tackles
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 27, 2016 10:23:20 GMT -5
Doesn't Donald Brown fill that requirement for at least 4 games? Former 1st rounder, vet, should be able to get the O, can run, can receive, can pass block and blitz pickup. In short no, in long no he's a JAG that might not even make it out of camp. Being a former 1st round pick is meaningless (ask Maroney) if you just aren't any good and Brown hasn't shown to be anything but a 2nd or 3rd tier 3rd down back that is a fringe back of the roster player. As depth he's fine but if you are counting on him to be a lead back for 4 games you might as well count on White learning how to tie his shoelaces before running between the tackles I wasn't saying he was a lead back. I was saying he can give you enough of what Lewis gave you for four game, two games etc since the comment was about Lewis possibly not being ready. Maybe it is a wrong interpretation of his comment but I took it to mean that the RB draft spot becomes more pressing because Garp might play the first 4 games. I don't believe that. I was not saying they don't need a RB in the draft. That is well established. I don't thing Bradys suspention changes a thing about the draft at all.
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Post by patseng on Apr 27, 2016 10:29:59 GMT -5
In short no, in long no he's a JAG that might not even make it out of camp. Being a former 1st round pick is meaningless (ask Maroney) if you just aren't any good and Brown hasn't shown to be anything but a 2nd or 3rd tier 3rd down back that is a fringe back of the roster player. As depth he's fine but if you are counting on him to be a lead back for 4 games you might as well count on White learning how to tie his shoelaces before running between the tackles I wasn't saying he was a lead back. I was saying he can give you enough of what Lewis gave you for four game, two games etc since the comment was about Lewis possibly not being ready Lewis was used as a lead back to me prior to injury and I just don't see Brown giving even 75% of what Lewis did. As depth I think he's a more complete RB than say White but he'd be a 4th or 5th RB on most teams imo and not someone I would want to be a 3rd down option you'd have to rely on for a 1/4 of the season. Imo his best utility comes at the end of the halves when D's are tired and you need a fresh set of legs in the 2 min drill or to sustain a drive. But, I don't want to see him on extended play. Again I think if they draft another back who can catch him and White might not even be on the team, that's how his contract is setup really. Much like Cadet last year
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 27, 2016 10:48:26 GMT -5
From Matt Miller: New England Patriots: The Patriots are a hard team to get solid info on, but one scout said strong safety could be targeted with one of their two Round 2 selections. Scouts familiar with New England's draft plans said the team will target a stand-up pass-rusher to replace Chandler Jones with one of the Day 2 picks. If true, I can't imagine that Karl Joseph isn't a top of the board type prospect for them. BB seems to love interchangeable safeties, and Joseph can do it all, while playing as physical as any player in the class.
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Post by patseng on Apr 27, 2016 10:58:56 GMT -5
From Matt Miller: New England Patriots: The Patriots are a hard team to get solid info on, but one scout said strong safety could be targeted with one of their two Round 2 selections. Scouts familiar with New England's draft plans said the team will target a stand-up pass-rusher to replace Chandler Jones with one of the Day 2 picks. Oh dear lord no more day 2 resources used on safeties please. I mean seriously, Wilson, Harmon, Richardson at some point just stop picking them and wasting picks >.<
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 27, 2016 11:00:15 GMT -5
I wasn't saying he was a lead back. I was saying he can give you enough of what Lewis gave you for four game, two games etc since the comment was about Lewis possibly not being ready Lewis was used as a lead back to me prior to injury and I just don't see Brown giving even 75% of what Lewis did. As depth I think he's a more complete RB than say White but he'd be a 4th or 5th RB on most teams imo and not someone I would want to be a 3rd down option you'd have to rely on for a 1/4 of the season. Imo his best utility comes at the end of the halves when D's are tired and you need a fresh set of legs in the 2 min drill or to sustain a drive. But, I don't want to see him on extended play. Again I think if they draft another back who can catch him and White might not even be on the team, that's how his contract is setup really. Much like Cadet last year I finished my post while you responded I think so that wasn't really what I was saying. My comment was only about change in urgency. I also do not believe Lewis is a lead back. If you use him that way you are asking for trouble. He is 1st yr with Pats Danny Woodhead. Both players 1st seasons with Pats DL 4.8 ypc DW 5.6 ypc DL 10.8 ypr DW 11.1 ypr I understand what you are saying about Brown but I think white and Brown can give 75% in the specialist role for a few games if Lewis was not ready. That is even if they needed to since as you said I think they will draft a RB and if that guy hits then it should be moot point. I think Brown and LeSean McCoy are the only running backs currently employed in the NFL from the 2009 draft? They do not last long.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 27, 2016 11:07:20 GMT -5
Guys lets make a list of all the guys who are what you consider typical Patriots picks regardless of if you like them and most of us won't love a lot of them I am sure lol. I'll go first.
Kolby Listenbee (fast, one trick) Will Fuller (fast, one trick(I know MB might take exception protecting his ND guys, sorry MB)) Joshua Perry (huge LB, athletic measurables) Chris Jones (size, scheme multiple) Daniel Braverman (past WR clone) Keenan Reynolds (Navy)
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