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Post by prolate0spheroid on May 1, 2016 8:01:40 GMT -5
I like a bunch of the picks: 1. Jones is a guy who I think will actually get a fair number of snaps this year. For a second rounder, that's good value. 2. Thuney—not quite sold on this guy, but I can also see him being a Mankins-like surprise. I'm okay with this. 3. Brissett—I really like this guy as a back-up for Garoppolo. He looks like someone who can protect the ball, which is probably what we want if Brady is suspended and Garoppolo gets hurt. He may be an interesting developmental player who takes the offense in a bit of a different direction. 4. Valentine—I have a feeling this guy's a bust. Don't know why. Just think he's not what we need. Hope I'm wrong and very well could be because I've never seen the kid play. It's purely a hunch. 5. Mitchell—think this guy could be the outside WR we've struggled to find. Of course, he's a fourth rounder and you can't ever expect much in that round, but this guy just sounds like good karma to me. 6. Grungier-Hill—this is the guy I expect to surprise. He's exactly the kind of player we need — sort of in-between a Collins and a Chung 7. Roberts—Patriots kind of guy from what I read. Does he have the talent, though, to make it? 8. Karras—Don't really see him making the team, but may make practice squad. This seems like a flier to me. 9. Lucian—a project, but a good project. Finally, trade into next year: I always like moving up a round by delaying the pick a year. Good move there. Yeah, my gut says you're right on Valentine also but it seems when motivated and in shape the kid can be a force. Seems like they rolled the dice that putting him in an environment where hard work and dedication is expected they might get a steal. IMO based on where they drafted him this kid is the biggest gamble of the draft class. He apparently can be a decent interior pass rusher . . . if they get that out of him, he's the replacement for Hicks/Easley. That would be a plus.
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Post by muzwell on May 1, 2016 8:03:30 GMT -5
I think Jones and Mitchel are locks barring injury and they show well in camp. Jones seems to be a ball hawk watching you tube highlights, and should be able to step into returner roles Mitchel seemingly slipped due to his knee, but could be the last push for Danny leaving. LaFell-esque type WR imo Thuney seems like as PS player this year as does Brisett. .... Why does everyone want Amendola gone so badly? Why isn't Dobson the one that is in danger of being cut, instead of a guy who can actually play and produce? Thuney won't make it to the PS. He won't have to worry about it, either. Kline and Cannon are the most likely cuts. Mitchell is more likely to end up on the PS than Thuney.
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Post by baffle on May 1, 2016 8:52:51 GMT -5
I think Jones and Mitchel are locks barring injury and they show well in camp. Jones seems to be a ball hawk watching you tube highlights, and should be able to step into returner roles Mitchel seemingly slipped due to his knee, but could be the last push for Danny leaving. LaFell-esque type WR imo Thuney seems like as PS player this year as does Brisett. .... Why does everyone want Amendola gone so badly? Why isn't Dobson the one that is in danger of being cut, instead of a guy who can actually play and produce? Thuney won't make it to the PS. He won't have to worry about it, either. Kline and Cannon are the most likely cuts. Mitchell is more likely to end up on the PS than Thuney. No one wants Amendola gone. He's a fighter and has been clutch. It comes down to the financials. What is he due.. $5M? That's a significant chunk of the cap that could be redeployed to other positions. Like locking up stud LBs. The writing is somewhat on the wall given the moves the pats are making... if Cyrus is as advertised on returns, that makes Amendola a little more expendable. Personally I love A's attitude and play. He's not gonna beat you on speed, but he will be in the right spot and fight for it. Edelman to Amendola pass will sways be in my top 5 fave plays. (Including when he waived Edelman off of it earlier in the season to preserve it when it was obvious it wasn't gonna work)
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Post by thejuice on May 1, 2016 8:53:27 GMT -5
I think Jones and Mitchel are locks barring injury and they show well in camp. Jones seems to be a ball hawk watching you tube highlights, and should be able to step into returner roles Mitchel seemingly slipped due to his knee, but could be the last push for Danny leaving. LaFell-esque type WR imo Thuney seems like as PS player this year as does Brisett. .... Why does everyone want Amendola gone so badly? Why isn't Dobson the one that is in danger of being cut, instead of a guy who can actually play and produce? Thuney won't make it to the PS. He won't have to worry about it, either. Kline and Cannon are the most likely cuts. Mitchell is more likely to end up on the PS than Thuney. There is no chance either would go unclaimed and make it to the practice squad
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Post by patseng on May 1, 2016 9:01:44 GMT -5
I give it an average with possibility of it being good:
Jones I'm kind of meh for me. I think he starts as the #3 slot CB and takes over Ryans role next year. I was hoping if they went early for CB they got more of a outside guy that forces Ryan inside. I liked Fuller for that role better and think they missed a chance at a lock down corner. Jones is a solid overall CB but in all honesty his PR capabilities shouldn't even be talked about as a 2nd rounder. It's icing to me and shouldn't be one of the main arguments why he was selected. It's good to have but in the 2nd I'd rather the more talented starter who doesn't play ST than the slightly less talented one who does. Then again I really hope Jones proves to be just as good a starter as I think Fuller is going to be then his PR skills would tip the balance
Thuney - Love this pickup. Easily the best pick they made in this draft imo and will take over Cannons role instantly hopefully freeing up more cap space
Brissett - absolutely hate this pick. Yes, Brady might be suspended or it could be stayed but you don't spend a high pick on a back up to the back up for 4 games. If it's because Garp is gone in two years then those who questioned spending on Garp and got killed for questioning it have every right to have, unless Garp gains value and they trade him for more than they used to get him. You just don't spend high draft picks on the backup unless you expect them to take over at some point. Now they have spent high picks on O'Connell, Mallett, Garp, and now Brissett when the QBs who have done best after they left the system they signed UDFA or spent a 7th on Cassel and Hoyer. No sense spending a high pick unless you think they are the next guy because you've done far better with developing late round picks than you have early round ones. Honestly I'd rather reach on a 6th round talent S in the 2nd because at least they can give something on STs rather than take a QB early, unless you know for sure they are the next guy to take over.
Valentine - Hate this pick. He was a 5-7th round prospect who has upside but more importantly has major conditioning red flags. Considering how important conditioning is to the Pats the kid might not last the summer
Mitchell - Like/love the pick. Reminds me of Branch in some ways. Very underutilized in Georgia mainly do to scheme. I think this kid has a good shot to be a solid #2 for the team and should replace Amendola freeing up valuable cap space for Hightower and Collins
Kuma - Love the idea of converting him to a SS. Has great speed and size to play an in box SS type. Could be an interesting replacement for Chung long term
The rest seem like PS projects or STers which that late in the draft is reasonable. Lucian has great hands and unlike Dobson his hands are real. Watching film he catches away from his body and with his fingers not his palms. That will serve him well moving forward. Could be an 'X' type but he is low on athletic ability so might have issues getting separation in the Pro's. A good project.
I was very disappointed they didn't get a RB in the draft and I think they will come back to bit them during the season. I also wanted a penetrating DT. It looks like they are moving back to the larger immobile wall 34 they played earlier in the decade. I'm worried the issues of giving QBs 4, 5, 6s to throw the ball which made some of us pull out our hair are going to plague them again with this approach. Maybe having better LB group will fix that issue as they didn't have the strength in LB back then that they have now. I also wonder if Thuney can be a RT in the future or if he can only be a G due to arm size and athletic limits. If he can't move to T I have to question why they didn't grab one earlier.
I do like they got two direct replacements for Amendola and Cannon that should easily free up over $8mil in cap space which should be enough to extend either Collins or Hightower moving forward. That was an extremely wise move imo.
Overall I feel like this draft is similar to the 2014 draft in a way. There is a chance it could go good if Jones, Thuney, and Mitchell turn out to be good starters and everything else is frosting or it could turn out that we look back at this draft in 2-3 years and wonder what they were thinking. I think it's more likely the former given the 3 mentioned above but the Valentine and Brissett picks give me pause.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on May 1, 2016 9:12:27 GMT -5
Didn't Fuller miss most of last season with a knee injury? One of the knocks against him, too, is that he's not fast enough, which makes the knee injury even more concerning. I think the Pats went with Jones because they want someone who they think can play this year. Jones sounds more like a Belichick kind of player to me than Fuller. Here's what NFL.com describes as Fuller's weaknesses and every one of them strikes me as a BB red flag:
Lacking desired size and length for the outside spot. Doesn't have the recovery speed to be able to take as many chances on the pro level. Lacks field discipline. Gambler who will get his knot chopped by double moves and pump fakes. Allowed 16.7 yards per completion when he was fully healthy in 2014. Needs to get better at finding the ball when hes beaten over the top. His play style could lead to early penalty issues. Tried to play through a torn meniscus and ended up shutting it down after the first three games of the season.
I don't watch much college football, so I'm going only by what I've read . . . but Jones just seems more like a guy who will be able to step in and contribute quickly.
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Post by stinkman on May 1, 2016 9:13:04 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with any of the picks.. The only pick I don't like is the Brisett one. I like the Jones, Mitchell , Thuney pick. I have not seen Thuney play but he's on the OLINE , which needed to be addressed one way or the other.. Glad to see BB saw that as well. My only problem was taking Brissett was I think they could have taken him later on in the draft. Still wish they went after a RB to groom. Overall I voted on option 3.. Average to good.
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Post by quagmire3 on May 1, 2016 9:17:05 GMT -5
"Velentine does not have much on You Tube that seems impressive"
My quote-box isn't working for some reason so I cut and pasted above. I remember years ago (before he was a noted Pats hater) Ron Borges panning the Richard Seymour pick. He was on the radio with the Big O and he stated "I've watched a lot of video and I still haven't seen this Seymour kid make a play yet." That pick turned out OK.
"what does that grade out as? do they get an "A" for finding a slot CB and PR?"
I think they found a starting level CB, best PR in the draft, an OL that will play a lot of minutes, a #3 WR that makes the team, a back up project QB who physically is compared to Big Ben, and a couple of ST guys. (disagree about Thuney. He will probably put Cannon on the unemployment line (even though Scar loves Cannon) and play a lot of minutes as a swing guard)
All in all, that's a pretty good draft! My point is, I will take BB's evaluations over anyones in here. I guess on this draft you see the glass as half empty, I see it as half full.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on May 1, 2016 9:18:02 GMT -5
Also, I don't consider the Brissett pick a high one. Bottom of the third round (91st pick) is not all that high. I think that's a great way to get a needed third QB—and I like Brissett's size and strength if they need a QB to protect the ball in an emergency. He may also be able to run a bit. If Garopollo goes down, a bigger QB who maybe can extend plays and run a bit makes a heck of a lot of sense. I really like this pick, even if Brissett never plays.
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Post by stinkman on May 1, 2016 9:32:33 GMT -5
I like a bunch of the picks: 1. Jones is a guy who I think will actually get a fair number of snaps this year. For a second rounder, that's good value. 2. Thuney—not quite sold on this guy, but I can also see him being a Mankins-like surprise. I'm okay with this. 3. Brissett—I really like this guy as a back-up for Garoppolo. He looks like someone who can protect the ball, which is probably what we want if Brady is suspended and Garoppolo gets hurt. He may be an interesting developmental player who takes the offense in a bit of a different direction. 4. Valentine—I have a feeling this guy's a bust. Don't know why. Just think he's not what we need. Hope I'm wrong and very well could be because I've never seen the kid play. It's purely a hunch. 5. Mitchell—think this guy could be the outside WR we've struggled to find. Of course, he's a fourth rounder and you can't ever expect much in that round, but this guy just sounds like good karma to me. 6. Grungier-Hill—this is the guy I expect to surprise. He's exactly the kind of player we need — sort of in-between a Collins and a Chung 7. Roberts—Patriots kind of guy from what I read. Does he have the talent, though, to make it? 8. Karras—Don't really see him making the team, but may make practice squad. This seems like a flier to me. 9. Lucian—a project, but a good project. Finally, trade into next year: I always like moving up a round by delaying the pick a year. Good move there. Yeah, my gut says you're right on Valentine also but it seems when motivated and in shape the kid can be a force. Seems like they rolled the dice that putting him in an environment where hard work and dedication is expected they might get a steal. IMO based on where they drafted him this kid is the biggest gamble of the draft class. 4. I agree. I have Nothing to base this on myself. But I have a hunch Vallentine could be a bust. He has D. Easley written all over him. Again nothing to go on just a hunch. Never seen him play but injured a lot , and his play has went down. But will give him a chance. Like the Jones, Thuney, Mitchell picks. Lucian got some speed hopefully one of them can catch on so we can say goodbye to Dobson. Jmo
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Post by digger0862 on May 1, 2016 9:35:37 GMT -5
Can I see them play before I vote? Or am I being uncooperative? Hah...BB didn't have that luxury. I don't mind these way-too-early-grades but what bugs me is people saying Belichick wastes more picks than any other team. Really? Lol! Obviously they haven't looked at most other team's drafts. For many teams you don't even need to look past the first round!
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Post by prolate0spheroid on May 1, 2016 9:37:29 GMT -5
Hah...BB didn't have that luxury. I don't mind these way-too-early-grades but what bugs me is people saying Belichick wastes more picks than any other team. Really? Lol! Obviously they haven't looked at most other team's drafts. Totally agree with you there. Belichick is a good drafter. I'm not like Rusty—I don't think he's infallible. But he's certainly in the top 5 or 10 in managing the draft.
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Post by patseng on May 1, 2016 9:44:22 GMT -5
I don't mind these way-too-early-grades but what bugs me is people saying Belichick wastes more picks than any other team. Really? Lol! Obviously they haven't looked at most other team's drafts. Totally agree with you there. Belichick is a good drafter. I'm not like Rusty—I don't think he's infallible. But he's certainly in the top 5 or 10 in managing the draft. I wouldn't put him top 5. You can't miss on an entire draft like in 2014 and be top 5. He has top 5 drafts from time to time but has just as many bottom 5 drafts. Not to mention when some of these players bust out they bust out in predictable ways even fans point out immediately after the player gets drafted (reaches, injury risks, off field issues). Top 15 draft yep, top 10 you can make a strong case, top 5 not as much
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Post by patseng on May 1, 2016 9:50:07 GMT -5
Didn't Fuller miss most of last season with a knee injury? One of the knocks against him, too, is that he's not fast enough, which makes the knee injury even more concerning. I think the Pats went with Jones because they want someone who they think can play this year. Jones sounds more like a Belichick kind of player to me than Fuller. Here's what NFL.com describes as Fuller's weaknesses and every one of them strikes me as a BB red flag:
Lacking desired size and length for the outside spot. Doesn't have the recovery speed to be able to take as many chances on the pro level. Lacks field discipline. Gambler who will get his knot chopped by double moves and pump fakes. Allowed 16.7 yards per completion when he was fully healthy in 2014. Needs to get better at finding the ball when hes beaten over the top. His play style could lead to early penalty issues. Tried to play through a torn meniscus and ended up shutting it down after the first three games of the season.
I don't watch much college football, so I'm going only by what I've read . . . but Jones just seems more like a guy who will be able to step in and contribute quickly. Very true, I just see Jones as being a solid CB that might be a good #2 long term or an very good slot CB but I just want in round 2 to find a very good #2 or better. Now the return capabilities might push that tilt for some but I just think you can find really good returners later in the draft so it shouldn't be consider as a reason why you take someone in the 2nd, more of icing if they are. In the 2nd to me you look at their main role and Jones while solid isn't spectacular to me. But I will say I like him better as a prospect than I did Ryan. The issue for me is Ala is a Pro program so what we see in college might already be his ceiling and if it is he might not be able to compete outside against better WRs
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Post by prolate0spheroid on May 1, 2016 10:02:31 GMT -5
Totally agree with you there. Belichick is a good drafter. I'm not like Rusty—I don't think he's infallible. But he's certainly in the top 5 or 10 in managing the draft. I wouldn't put him top 5. You can't miss on an entire draft like in 2014 and be top 5. He has top 5 drafts from time to time but has just as many bottom 5 drafts. Not to mention when some of these players bust out they bust out in predictable ways even fans point out immediately after the player gets drafted (reaches, injury risks, off field issues). Top 15 draft yep, top 10 you can make a strong case, top 5 not as much The only bad pick in 2014 was Easley, and even that wasn't a bad gamble if you ask me. I think Garoppolo is a good use of the 62nd pick. After that, we didn't pick until the fourth round and fourth rounders are a real crap shoot. I wouldn't call 2014 a great draft by any means, but given the picks we had, it also wasn't a draft that leant itself to greatness.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on May 1, 2016 10:03:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't put him top 5. You can't miss on an entire draft like in 2014 and be top 5. He has top 5 drafts from time to time but has just as many bottom 5 drafts. Not to mention when some of these players bust out they bust out in predictable ways even fans point out immediately after the player gets drafted (reaches, injury risks, off field issues). Top 15 draft yep, top 10 you can make a strong case, top 5 not as much The only bad pick in 2014 was Easley, and even that wasn't a bad gamble if you ask me. I think Garoppolo is a good use of the 62nd pick. After that, we didn't pick until the fourth round and fourth rounders are a real crap shoot (Stork wasn't a terrible fourth round pick, either). I wouldn't call 2014 a great draft by any means, but given the picks we had, it also wasn't a draft that leant itself to greatness.
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Post by lowfbiq on May 1, 2016 10:03:56 GMT -5
So in simpler terms for everyone... Gave UP -> Get in ReturnVon Bell -> Joe Thuney and Malcolm Mitchell Blake Countess, Jordan Lucas, Scooby Wright, Quinton Jefferson, & Kenny Lawler -> Devin Lucien & 4th Rd Pick next yr to possibly give back to the league because of deflategate so they would still have at least one 4th Rd pick
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Post by patseng on May 1, 2016 10:08:40 GMT -5
The only bad pick in 2014 was Easley, and even that wasn't a bad gamble if you ask me. I think Garoppolo is a good use of the 62nd pick. After that, we didn't pick until the fourth round and fourth rounders are a real crap shoot (Stork wasn't a terrible fourth round pick, either). I wouldn't call 2014 a great draft by any means, but given the picks we had, it also wasn't a draft that leant itself to greatness. Sorry Pro but as far as today not a single pick has worked out so far. Stork might but it isn't going so hot right now and unless they get their money back or better with Garp that whole draft looks like a flop at this point. Btw why is it whenever the Pats have bad drafts or trade back a lot people come out saying how weak the draft was. Looking back a lot of good players, esp WR, came out of the 2014 draft. It was an all time great draft but it was better than average so far
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Post by jri37 on May 1, 2016 10:17:51 GMT -5
Sorry Pro but as far as today not a single pick has worked out so far. Stork might but it isn't going so hot right now and unless they get their money back or better with Garp that whole draft looks like a flop at this point. Btw why is it whenever the Pats have bad drafts or trade back a lot people come out saying how weak the draft was. Looking back a lot of good players, esp WR, came out of the 2014 draft. It was an all time great draft but it was better than average so far Speaking strictly about Stork and not the 2014 class in general... He was the starting center on a SB team as a rookie. After missing the 1st game he came in and stabilized the line. I would say just for that it was a pretty good return on a 4th round pick. If he can stay healthy he should be the starting center here for a while.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on May 1, 2016 10:22:23 GMT -5
Sorry Pro but as far as today not a single pick has worked out so far. Stork might but it isn't going so hot right now and unless they get their money back or better with Garp that whole draft looks like a flop at this point. Btw why is it whenever the Pats have bad drafts or trade back a lot people come out saying how weak the draft was. Looking back a lot of good players, esp WR, came out of the 2014 draft. It was an all time great draft but it was better than average so far You have to consider where they were picking, though. Sure, Landry was still available when they chose Garoppolo. But I like the Garoppolo pick because I think back-up QB is a very important position, and I think Garoppolo has some potential to be a starter. Stork did start most of the year we won the Super Bowl. Last year, he was hampered by injury, but I don't see him as a flop. Again, it wasn't Belichick's best draft, but given the picks he had it wasn't a disaster. Their first five picks all at least played in the regular season and have lasted in the NFL at least two full seasons. That's not horrible.
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Post by muzwell on May 1, 2016 11:04:36 GMT -5
Eng, I get that you think Garop was a bad pick, but would you be okay with a Jim Sorgi/Curtis Painter type backup?
Garop could have ten years as a starter in the league ahead of him, whether it's on the Pats or somewhere else. If it goes that way, he was a steal.
You have a late-30s QB who isn't playing forever, although he may try. Either way, there needs to be a backup. It's insurance. As with most insurance policies, it might seem like an unnecessary expense when you're stroking that check. But, if you ever have to cash it in, you'll be damn glad you made those premium payments.
His time, or Brady's, is up after 2017 so they drafted a third option, someone who can hopefully back the starter up. What's wrong with that?
What did you reasonably expect from the Garop pick? That he'd be starting by now? Well, there are no guarantees but he could well be the starter in New England at some point. Or, he might move on. Regardless, he has been a good insurance policy.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 11:15:27 GMT -5
Regardless, he has been a good insurance policy. Has he? How could you know what quality of insurance policy he would be if you don't know how good he is?
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Post by lowfbiq on May 1, 2016 11:42:55 GMT -5
Wow 2014 team has a superbowl winning roster and people are worried because 6th and 7th rounders can't crack the roster. lol Holy Moly
2nd rounder and all 3 4th rounders look to be at least potentially going into 3rd yr of rookie deals. No 3rd rounder that year. Yep they missed on realizing that Easley was not a guy who would do what he is told. I'll leave it at that on Easley as I do not want to devolve this thread into the old Easley battle. Believe what works for you on him and lets move on.
Garp saves you a vet backup who is going to cost more and may or may not be a worse QB depending on who it is.
Garp saves you a 3rd QB roster spot if he gives you enough comfort level to not carry a third. Yep a vet would as well if you can afford the extra cost, we are already worrying about the cost of Amendola and Cannon. Believe me these same complainers would be complaining about the high costs of a crappy backup Qb as well.
The backup QB runs the scout team to help prepare the defense for the weeks opponent. The better the QB the better the job he does in making life difficult in preparing the defense while running the scout team.
Just those three things alone make the pick potentially worth while. In addition he has the potential of netting you a gain or a loss just like any investment. Time will show.
James White got Wally pipp'd. Yet he's still on the team and playing in the role he was drafted to play. So White's a big draft problem because Lewis was on pace to have the best 3rd down back year in the NFL last season and he is not as good as Lewis? Is that how you eval? How about go look at someone like Dexter McCLuster's numbers for a 2nd round pick and compare it to White as a end of 4th round pick. Do people even bother to put context into these thoughts. Go look at the game logs. Pats played Pitt 1st, Pitt defense had injures, missing Bell, etc, White did not get a carry in the game. Lewis had a big day. Played Dallas with no Romo so Cowboy O could not do anything and Pats O has tons of opportunities. White did not get a carry in that game. Lewis again had a nice day because of it. Played Indy who's D stinks. Again White did not have a carry and Lewis again had a nice day. Three of Lewis' best games came on advantageous days while White did not even get a carry in those games. You can't just look at the numbers without context. Lewis's last 2 games played? 3.8 and 3.5 yards a carry, not great, because the Oline was getting progressively worse. Lewis also still had the advantage of blount in the lineup at the time he was playing. Fast forward to near end of season and James white started to have to deal with being paired with Boldin instead of Blount after blount got hurt, more injuries to the Pats Oline, and the playoffs as well, where the best teams and defenses are left. So Whites rushing numbers on very minimal carries were not good. However despite all of that Whites receiving numbers avg per catch were 10.3. Lewis's avg per catch last year 10.8. Vereens avg per catch 8.4 with Giants. Woodheads avg per catch 9.4 with Chargers. White was pick #30 in the 4th what do people expect. People need a serious expectation adjustment.
How many RB's did the Pats draft this year to fix things?
Holy shit snacks we love to look at the Pats, BB, and their picks in a vacuum.
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Post by dfitzp on May 1, 2016 12:39:10 GMT -5
I agree with Valentine possibly being a bust. He is supposed to be lazy and carries most of his weight in his middle. But his 40 time was good along with his vertical jump. His bench was weak, only 17 reps. That's not good for a 330LB guy. If they can get this guy working with a nutritionist and trainer they might have something. Change some of that baby fat to muscle.
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Post by patseng on May 1, 2016 12:47:07 GMT -5
Eng, I get that you think Garop was a bad pick, but would you be okay with a Jim Sorgi/Curtis Painter type backup? Garop could have ten years as a starter in the league ahead of him, whether it's on the Pats or somewhere else. If it goes that way, he was a steal. You have a late-30s QB who isn't playing forever, although he may try. Either way, there needs to be a backup. It's insurance. As with most insurance policies, it might seem like an unnecessary expense when you're stroking that check. But, if you ever have to cash it in, you'll be damn glad you made those premium payments. His time, or Brady's, is up after 2017 so they drafted a third option, someone who can hopefully back the starter up. What's wrong with that? What did you reasonably expect from the Garop pick? That he'd be starting by now? Well, there are no guarantees but he could well be the starter in New England at some point. Or, he might move on. Regardless, he has been a good insurance policy. Muz he could have 10 years but if 0 are on the Pats then it wasn't a good pick. Sorry but they have had UDFAs and 7th rounders who performed just as good of a job as insurance as their day 2 QB picks and unless they actually give anything on the field that's 1 less day 2 pick that could have been a starter that wasn't. Would you call Butler (not current Butler) a successful pick for the Pats because he's starting in Indy or would you call that a miss. Unless they are on the field and help the team win I don't like spending high picks on them because that's one less player who could be
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