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Post by carawaydj on Jul 28, 2021 13:35:00 GMT -5
Besides Mac Jones, I need to figure out who I should over react to and make my camp binkie... I'm rolling with Gunner... not only do I like quick, tough, self-made football players, but I dig his sense of style too... much like I did with Jules. Gunner was my official camp binkie as a rookie. I have to look at the rules to see if I can have the same binkie twice. But I will definitely root for him and for many of the same reasons. I'd love for him to step up as a WR.
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Post by carawaydj on Jul 28, 2021 13:42:44 GMT -5
Passing… Passing… He's our QB. He has the weapons now. I think it's reasonable to assume his passing "numbers" meaning yards 1st downs TDs will be better now that BB paid 110 million in guaranteed money for new receiving weapons. The old ones sucked. Even the GOAT looked like a mere mortal with them. 3800 total yards. 30 total TDs. Unless Mac Jones rips it up! I'm good either way. Make it 3,500 passing yards and 30 total TDs and he is somewhere near where he once was. Frankly, I'd be happy if he could just repeat his rookie season. I think all of us have said he will look better with our new weapons. We only differ in how much better he can look. I'm in the camp that believe his injuries have taken a toll on his arm and he cannot be what he once was for physical reasons. I won't be shocked if Mac doesn't give us a chance to find out how good Cam will be this year. At the end of the day we just want whoever is under center to be playing well.
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Post by froglegs on Jul 28, 2021 14:40:31 GMT -5
Compared to the others #15 is crazy slow in his cuts !
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Post by salcon on Jul 28, 2021 14:42:47 GMT -5
Compared to the others #15 is crazy slow in is cuts ! He looks quicker than last season to me. I know, that's still not saying much.
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Post by prairiemike on Jul 28, 2021 14:53:17 GMT -5
I'm certainly not expecting Cam Newton to suddenly turn into something he is not. I doubt BB is either. I am expecting the quarterback of the Patriots to be able to read defenses, adjust on the move, and make plays. Do you think BB expects that?
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Post by wazzu on Jul 28, 2021 15:07:47 GMT -5
Something that seems pretty noteworthy to me that I just read: McDaniels was “attached at the hip” to Mac Jones throughout most of the practice. He went with him and left cam and Hoyer together several times, and the two were seemingly in constant conversation during cams reps. Take it as you will, but that seems noteworthy to me.
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Post by solly on Jul 28, 2021 15:17:01 GMT -5
Something that seems pretty noteworthy to me that I just read: McDaniels was “attached at the hip” to Mac Jones throughout most of the practice. He went with him and left cam and Hoyer together several times, and the two were seemingly in constant conversation during cams reps. Take it as you will, but that seems noteworthy to me. Bedard has said throughout the offseason McDaniels is likely the one pushing for Mac to start the season. So your readings kind of line up with what Bedard was saying as well
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Post by rkarp on Jul 28, 2021 15:22:14 GMT -5
Besides Mac Jones, I need to figure out who I should over react to and make my camp binkie... Jalen Mills
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Post by carawaydj on Jul 28, 2021 15:25:03 GMT -5
Something that seems pretty noteworthy to me that I just read: McDaniels was “attached at the hip” to Mac Jones throughout most of the practice. He went with him and left cam and Hoyer together several times, and the two were seemingly in constant conversation during cams reps. Take it as you will, but that seems noteworthy to me. Bedard has said throughout the offseason McDaniels is likely the one pushing for Mac to start the season. So your readings kind of line up with what Bedard was saying as well I think Mac is most capable of running the same ole offense we are accustomed to seeing in these parts. Josh has years of comfort calling that offense and a nice thick playbook for it. Even if Cam is much improved he really isn't suited for our "death by a thousand cuts" offense. You need great timing and accuracy at a minimum. In a nutshell, I'd be hoping Mac can start if I were josh too. We all would if we were in his shoes. Well, unless Mac starts to choke up and stink.
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Post by solly on Jul 28, 2021 15:27:16 GMT -5
Bedard has said throughout the offseason McDaniels is likely the one pushing for Mac to start the season. So your readings kind of line up with what Bedard was saying as well I think Mac is most capable of running the same ole offense we are accustomed to seeing in these parts. Josh has years of comfort calling that offense and a nice thick playbook for it. Even if Cam is much improved he really isn't suited for our "death by a thousand cuts" offense. You need great timing and accuracy at a minimum. In a nutshell, I'd be hoping Mac can start if I were josh too. We all would if we were in his shoes. Well, unless Mac starts to choke up and stink. I agree with that, I think what Bedard was inferring, was that Josh wants Mac and Bill wants Cam
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Post by Brady2Welker47 on Jul 28, 2021 15:59:32 GMT -5
But it has seemed like you expect Cam to turn into what he once was. I mean yeah he ran for the 2nd most TDs of his career last season. Doing something with nothing. Most TDs he's run for in 10 years. He is doing what he once did...literally. Too bad he is a QB in a passing league.
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Post by TrueChamp on Jul 28, 2021 16:07:53 GMT -5
I think it's reasonable to assume his passing "numbers" meaning yards 1st downs TDs will be better now that BB paid 110 million in guaranteed money for new receiving weapons. The old ones sucked. Even the GOAT looked like a mere mortal with them. 3800 total yards. 30 total TDs. Unless Mac Jones rips it up! I'm good either way. Make it 3,500 passing yards and 30 total TDs and he is somewhere near where he once was. Frankly, I'd be happy if he could just repeat his rookie season. I think all of us have said he will look better with our new weapons. We only differ in how much better he can look. I'm in the camp that believe his injuries have taken a toll on his arm and he cannot be what he once was for physical reasons. I won't be shocked if Mac doesn't give us a chance to find out how good Cam will be this year. At the end of the day we just want whoever is under center to be playing well. He threw for 2600 yards with the worst group of pass catchers since Doug Gabriel and Reche Caldwell in less than ideal circumstances. Is 3500 the make or break for you? What if he has 3200 and 600 rushing yards? Is that worse than 3500 and 300 rushing yards? He never looked accurate, not ever. He can still throw a football down field. He even hit that smurf midget Damiere whatever his name was for a deep TD, and that guy plays field hockey now.
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Post by TrueChamp on Jul 28, 2021 16:10:07 GMT -5
I'm certainly not expecting Cam Newton to suddenly turn into something he is not. I doubt BB is either. I am expecting the quarterback of the Patriots to be able to read defenses, adjust on the move, and make plays. Do you think BB expects that? For sure, do you think BB accidentally signed Cam twice? Like, oh shit, I meant to sign that other Shaft looking mfkr from the Raiders, what was his name, Jamarcus something...yeah that's the one. Oops
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Post by TrueChamp on Jul 28, 2021 16:11:13 GMT -5
I mean yeah he ran for the 2nd most TDs of his career last season. Doing something with nothing. Most TDs he's run for in 10 years. He is doing what he once did...literally. Too bad he is a QB in a passing league. Hey I didn't sign him.
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Post by carawaydj on Jul 28, 2021 16:14:14 GMT -5
Well, I guess it will be neither Cam nor Mac. The Patriots just claimed Jake Dolegala off of waivers.
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Post by prairiemike on Jul 28, 2021 16:15:40 GMT -5
I am expecting the quarterback of the Patriots to be able to read defenses, adjust on the move, and make plays. Do you think BB expects that? For sure, do you think BB accidentally signed Cam twice? Like, oh shit, I meant to sign that other Shaft looking mfkr from the Raiders, what was his name, Jamarcus something...yeah that's the one. Oops Well ... I would say that Shaft was a creature of availability ... but we've had that discussion. Seriously, though ... all kidding aside ... I know you're not a "Cam guy" (and never have been), but beyond simply hoping he does well -- as all Pats' fans do -- you seem genuinely convinced that he can do well. And I am genuinely curious to know -- in a nutshell -- why you feel that way. Because -- for all the world -- it seems like the guy who's expecting Shaft to be somebody he isn't ... is you. (please bear in mind that if you mention he won an MVP 47 years ago, I will mock you )
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Post by carawaydj on Jul 28, 2021 16:17:27 GMT -5
I am expecting the quarterback of the Patriots to be able to read defenses, adjust on the move, and make plays. Do you think BB expects that? For sure, do you think BB accidentally signed Cam twice? Like, oh shit, I meant to sign that other Shaft looking mfkr from the Raiders, what was his name, Jamarcus something...yeah that's the one. Oops I have reluctantly agreed in a past post that Cam was the most logical insurance/bridge QB to have until our 1st round QB takes over. For all of the grief I give Cam I too would have re-signed him. I also would be praying nightly that Mac is a quick learner. Best option is not synonymous with good option.
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Post by carawaydj on Jul 28, 2021 16:20:58 GMT -5
For sure, do you think BB accidentally signed Cam twice? Like, oh shit, I meant to sign that other Shaft looking mfkr from the Raiders, what was his name, Jamarcus something...yeah that's the one. Oops Well ... I would say that Shaft was a creature of availability ... but we've had that discussion. Seriously, though ... all kidding aside ... I know you're not a "Cam guy" (and never have been), but beyond simply hoping he does well -- as all Pats' fans do -- you seem genuinely convinced that he can do well. And I am genuinely curious to know -- in a nutshell -- why you feel that way. (please bear in mind that if you mention he won an MVP 47 years ago, I will mock you ) I'll tell you why. Because he completed 65.8% of his passes. And those 12 completions were beauties!
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Post by TrueChamp on Jul 28, 2021 16:24:18 GMT -5
For sure, do you think BB accidentally signed Cam twice? Like, oh shit, I meant to sign that other Shaft looking mfkr from the Raiders, what was his name, Jamarcus something...yeah that's the one. Oops Well ... I would say that Shaft was a creature of availability ... but we've had that discussion. Seriously, though ... all kidding aside ... I know you're not a "Cam guy" (and never have been), but beyond simply hoping he does well -- as all Pats' fans do -- you seem genuinely convinced that he can do well. And I am genuinely curious to know -- in a nutshell -- why you feel that way. (please bear in mind that if you mention he won an MVP 47 years ago, I will mock you ) At the risk of sounding completely sarcastic....I actually believe in Belichick. I think he sees a weapon in Cam Newton. I don't think he intends to play a rookie QB. I didn't think he ever intended to simply "roll with Stidham" as was a common theme here after Bradys departure. I think Cam's flaws were easily explainable(for reasons mentioned). I am serious when I say I never liked his accuracy but always acknowledged the guy was a force on the football field. I think BB LOVES that shit! And yes I think he has tailored an offense built around a smash mouth running QB who can still hit a few play makers if and when we have them(we didn't have them last 2 years). I think Bill fkd up bad with Brady(and Gronk) but I also think Bill is the very best in the business and has an actual plan, which is something I'm not sure he had much of from 2018-2020. I think Cam Newton is his plan for 2021. I think he wants to win a superbowl bucking the trend of heavy downfield "finesse" passing. I think he wants to beat the shit out of defenses...physically. To borrow a phrase you have mastered...."unless I'm completely missing something"!
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Post by prairiemike on Jul 28, 2021 16:38:12 GMT -5
Well ... I would say that Shaft was a creature of availability ... but we've had that discussion. Seriously, though ... all kidding aside ... I know you're not a "Cam guy" (and never have been), but beyond simply hoping he does well -- as all Pats' fans do -- you seem genuinely convinced that he can do well. And I am genuinely curious to know -- in a nutshell -- why you feel that way. (please bear in mind that if you mention he won an MVP 47 years ago, I will mock you ) At the risk of sounding completely sarcastic....I actually believe in Belichick. I think he sees a weapon in Cam Newton. I don't think he intends to play a rookie QB. I didn't think he ever intended to simply "roll with Stidham" as was a common theme here after Bradys departure. I think Cam's flaws were easily explainable(for reasons mentioned). I am serious when I say I never liked his accuracy but always acknowledged the guy was a force on the football field. I think BB LOVES that shit! And yes I think he has tailored an offense built around a smash mouth running QB who can still hit a few play makers if and when we have them(we didn't have them last 2 years). I think Bill fkd up bad with Brady(and Gronk) but I also think Bill is the very best in the business and has an actual plan, which is something I'm not sure he had much of from 2018-2020. I think Cam Newton is his plan for 2021. I think he wants to win a superbowl bucking the trend of heavy downfield "finesse" passing. I think he wants to beat the shit out of defenses...physically. To borrow a phrase you have mastered...."unless I'm completely missing something"! Actually, what I say is "Either that, or I am entirely wrong." But that is neither hither nor yon. I was earnest in my question and I appreciate your response. I know we back-and-forth a lot, but I hope you don't think I question your football knowledge (or your fandom). I suspect most of us "believe in" Belichick (except about Subway), but the argument seems to be whether Bill f-ed up, or Brody wanted to leave ... or some combination of both (as seems likely). In any case ... Chip Kelly Uses Toilet Paper is hilarious. I am inclined to be nice to you for a long time just based on that. Do what you do, Champ!
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Post by mthurl on Jul 28, 2021 21:00:21 GMT -5
Let the conflicting training camp reports begin...read that Mac Jones fit some passes in some tight spaces today, then read that he didn’t. Read that he clearly has a strong arm, yet not strong velocity (and that’s a problem). Read that Mac won the battle against Newton, then read that he really didn’t...and that no one won the QB battle today.
Curran was pretty high on him today and so was Jeff Howe. Both sighted five passes in particular in the red zone where he wasn’t effected by going through his progressions and finding the open man, and then fitting the ball in there...with Curran mentioning fitting the ball in there with accuracy and a quick release. That he clearly outplayed Newton - who seemed to struggle with accuracy. I think the best compliment was not how Mac compared to Newton, but rather how Mac compared to Brissett, Stidham and Garoppolo at the early stages...and Mac was head and shoulders above all three. I think that’s encouraging.
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Post by wazzu on Jul 28, 2021 21:29:45 GMT -5
Let the conflicting training camp reports begin...read that Mac Jones fit some passes in some tight spaces today, then read that he didn’t. Read that he clearly has a strong arm, yet not strong velocity (and that’s a problem). Read that Mac won the battle against Newton, then read that he really didn’t...and that no one won the QB battle today. Curran was pretty high on him today and so was Jeff Howe. Both sighted five passes in particular in the red zone where he wasn’t effected by going through his progressions and finding the open man, and then fitting the ball in there...with Curran mentioning fitting the ball in there with accuracy and a quick release. That he clearly outplayed Newton - who seemed to struggle with accuracy. I think the best compliment was not how Mac compared to Newton, but rather how Mac compared to Brissett, Stidham and Garoppolo at the early stages...and Mac was head and shoulders above all three. I think that’s encouraging. Agree. I think it’s all extremely encouraging. I’m not even worried about how Mac looks compared to cam. Cam is a placeholder until Mac is ready. Nothing more.
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Post by prairiemike on Jul 28, 2021 21:42:14 GMT -5
Let the conflicting training camp reports begin...read that Mac Jones fit some passes in some tight spaces today, then read that he didn’t. Read that he clearly has a strong arm, yet not strong velocity (and that’s a problem). Read that Mac won the battle against Newton, then read that he really didn’t...and that no one won the QB battle today. Curran was pretty high on him today and so was Jeff Howe. Both sighted five passes in particular in the red zone where he wasn’t effected by going through his progressions and finding the open man, and then fitting the ball in there...with Curran mentioning fitting the ball in there with accuracy and a quick release. That he clearly outplayed Newton - who seemed to struggle with accuracy. I think the best compliment was not how Mac compared to Newton, but rather how Mac compared to Brissett, Stidham and Garoppolo at the early stages...and Mac was head and shoulders above all three. I think that’s encouraging. This is the beauty of the actual football. We speculate all off-season about what this might mean ... or what that might lead to ... or how the other thing will play out. And now the camps are open, and we are all free to ... ummmmm .... ... continue speculating. If you don't like the report you got ... go read a different one. Fun times in America!
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Post by muzwell on Jul 28, 2021 22:03:22 GMT -5
It doesn’t matter who was better. What’s most important is that they both did their very best! They tried hard and they both clapped for the other boy. And they had fun!
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Post by carawaydj on Jul 29, 2021 2:53:07 GMT -5
Let the conflicting training camp reports begin...read that Mac Jones fit some passes in some tight spaces today, then read that he didn’t. Read that he clearly has a strong arm, yet not strong velocity (and that’s a problem). Read that Mac won the battle against Newton, then read that he really didn’t...and that no one won the QB battle today. Curran was pretty high on him today and so was Jeff Howe. Both sighted five passes in particular in the red zone where he wasn’t effected by going through his progressions and finding the open man, and then fitting the ball in there...with Curran mentioning fitting the ball in there with accuracy and a quick release. That he clearly outplayed Newton - who seemed to struggle with accuracy. I think the best compliment was not how Mac compared to Newton, but rather how Mac compared to Brissett, Stidham and Garoppolo at the early stages...and Mac was head and shoulders above all three. I think that’s encouraging. Curran has previously said that Mac seems further along than any other rookie QB that he has ever seen with the Pats. And I suspect there is a bit of "grading on a scale" going on with Mac observations for that very reason.
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