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Post by PatsFan4Life on Apr 20, 2022 21:42:03 GMT -5
For once I would like to see someone forcing a trade sent to the equivalent of Siberia instead of a place they want to go. Say send him to the jets or jaguars or panthers and see how they like life then… maybe these guys would stop the diva games that’s possible the Jets are desperate for a difference maker and they have the draft capital. if he goes to the jets they’ll screw it up and he’ll be rich but miserable
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 20, 2022 23:50:31 GMT -5
Mac Jones now following Deebo on Instagram. Interesting.
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Post by kjfitone on Apr 21, 2022 2:03:14 GMT -5
This seems to be about the time when someone calls Felger and Mazz with a "Yeah, why doesn't Belichick trade Agholaw, Harry and a fawth roundah to the Fawty Nine-iz, faw Deebo?". Lol, someone will.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 21, 2022 5:54:03 GMT -5
I’d like to see the number of targets for each player to put it into better prospective. The other names were all asked to start from day one where as Harry had the “luxury” of sitting behind better options for a year.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 21, 2022 6:15:15 GMT -5
Mac Jones now following Deebo on Instagram. Interesting. Ha. Deebo a Patriot is a pipe dream I believe but one I would love to dream about.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 21, 2022 6:16:58 GMT -5
I’d like to see the number of targets for each player to put it into better prospective. The other names were all asked to start from day one where as Harry had the “luxury” of sitting behind better options for a year. Kinda chicken and egg. Harry is a 1st round bust, plain and simple. If he had anything he would be on the field taking receptions from all the late rounders, UDFAs, and converted QBs we have catching passes. He can't get on the field he can't get targets he can't get receptions.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 21, 2022 6:32:40 GMT -5
move out 29 years old Tyreke Hill Move in 26 years old Deebo and 3 draft picks obtained in the Hill deal SCH (salary cap hell) Wozzy style Deboo is the real deal, I would sure like to have him on the Pats. But Hill's speed puts him above and beyond. Speed kills and Hill causes so many problems because of it. Deebo had 1800 combined yards, 14 TDs, 18.2 yards per catch and he’s 25. Hill had 1300 combined yards (with a substantially better QB), 9 TDs and 11.2 yards per catch and he’s 28. Give me Samuel every day and especially on Sunday.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 21, 2022 6:39:36 GMT -5
I’d like to see the number of targets for each player to put it into better prospective. The other names were all asked to start from day one where as Harry had the “luxury” of sitting behind better options for a year. huh? better options? Edelman, yes of course Dorsett? UDFA Meyers? 5 times suspended Josh Gordon? Gunnie? the hope was that Harry would come in and demand playing time with his play on the field. hugely disappointing player for the Pats, maybe top 3 of all time. the chart posted only amplifies the disappointment
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Post by patslifer on Apr 21, 2022 6:41:02 GMT -5
Deboo is the real deal, I would sure like to have him on the Pats. But Hill's speed puts him above and beyond. Speed kills and Hill causes so many problems because of it. Deebo had 1800 combined yards, 14 TDs, 18.2 yards per catch and he’s 25. Hill had 1300 combined yards (with a substantially better QB), 9 TDs and 11.2 yards per catch and he’s 28. Give me Samuel every day and especially on Sunday. I agree on Deebo. Hill is a better athlete but Deebo is a monster. He can line up anywhere and produce. Backfield, slot, outwide, it doesn't matter. He plays the game like Edelman. Tough bastard.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 21, 2022 7:37:28 GMT -5
Not only do you have to trade for AJ Brown Deebo Samuel, but you have to pay him. I know there's a subsection of fans who think football dollars are Monopoly money and the cap doesn't exist... but it does. Look what top WR's are getting paid right now. The way to find an AJ Brown Deebo Samuel is to draft him. I'd love to have him on my team, but WR is one of the least positions of need for the Pat's needs right now.
You weapons crowd insist on getting some WR drafted in 2019 to exercise the demons of N'Keal, try to trade for Marquise Brown. The guy hasn't done much but that's been mostly out of his control. He's small, a deep ball WR and his QB's accuracy is crap, he can't hit the broadside of a barn... Mac could put it right in his hands. You might be able to get him for reasonable trade value, and wouldn't have to pay him as much in contract.
Otherwise stop pining for other team's most expensive players, it's highly unlikely to happen. Draft one... hell Tre Nixon could develop into one.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 21, 2022 7:59:17 GMT -5
Excellent point. Yes, we should draft playmakers instead of lousy route runners. Not a bad idea on Brown. He certainly will cost less.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 21, 2022 10:11:42 GMT -5
Deboo is the real deal, I would sure like to have him on the Pats. But Hill's speed puts him above and beyond. Speed kills and Hill causes so many problems because of it. Deebo had 1800 combined yards, 14 TDs, 18.2 yards per catch and he’s 25. Hill had 1300 combined yards (with a substantially better QB), 9 TDs and 11.2 yards per catch and he’s 28. Give me Samuel every day and especially on Sunday. Different offenses, 9'ers use Deebo a lot differently than the Chiefs used Hill. I think now with Hill in Miami with McDaniel as his coach, the Dolphins will use Hill in more ways like the 9'ers used Deebo. Btw, apparently Deebo doesn't like being used in other ways, only want's to be used strictly as a WR... which I kind of find odd. I have listened to current and former players compare Hill to all other receivers in the league and they all say Hill is the hardest receiver in the league to defend, that his speed is just a giant problem all over the field. I prefer Deebo over Hill but that's because Deebo was being used in different positions and Hill wasn't. If Hill is used like Deebo has been, I'll take Hill over Deebo.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 21, 2022 10:13:57 GMT -5
Deebo had 1800 combined yards, 14 TDs, 18.2 yards per catch and he’s 25. Hill had 1300 combined yards (with a substantially better QB), 9 TDs and 11.2 yards per catch and he’s 28. Give me Samuel every day and especially on Sunday. I agree on Deebo. Hill is a better athlete but Deebo is a monster. He can line up anywhere and produce. Backfield, slot, outwide, it doesn't matter. He plays the game like Edelman. Tough bastard. But apparently Deebo want's to be used strictly as a WR. I think with McDaniel as the Dolphins coach and now having Hill, they will use Hill a lot like the 9'ers used Deebo and that will be pretty tough for defenses.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 21, 2022 10:45:27 GMT -5
I agree on Deebo. Hill is a better athlete but Deebo is a monster. He can line up anywhere and produce. Backfield, slot, outwide, it doesn't matter. He plays the game like Edelman. Tough bastard. But apparently Deebo want's to be used strictly as a WR. I think with McDaniel as the Dolphins coach and now having Hill, they will use Hill a lot like the 9'ers used Deebo and that will be pretty tough for defenses. I understand. He's getting beat up and won't last very long if they keep running him between the tackles. He's taking a beating. Plus, WRs make more than RBs.
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Post by CWTB on Apr 21, 2022 10:57:51 GMT -5
Draft Treylon Burks, in 2nd just have to go up and get him my guess. Or 1st. Get him for 5 years.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 21, 2022 11:11:33 GMT -5
I agree on Deebo. Hill is a better athlete but Deebo is a monster. He can line up anywhere and produce. Backfield, slot, outwide, it doesn't matter. He plays the game like Edelman. Tough bastard. But apparently Deebo want's to be used strictly as a WR. I think with McDaniel as the Dolphins coach and now having Hill, they will use Hill a lot like the 9'ers used Deebo and that will be pretty tough for defenses. The fish run Hill between the tackles and he's going to get hurt pretty quickly. He's not built for that. His highest and best use is beating people deep, not getting hit and making YAC. They can run the jet sweep and the occasional short crossing pattern with him but they go that well too often and he'll be on the sidelines. Even Deebo can't do that forever and he's a lot stronger than Hill.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 21, 2022 11:17:17 GMT -5
But apparently Deebo want's to be used strictly as a WR. I think with McDaniel as the Dolphins coach and now having Hill, they will use Hill a lot like the 9'ers used Deebo and that will be pretty tough for defenses. The fish run Hill between the tackles and he's going to get hurt pretty quickly. He's not built for that. His highest and best use is beating people deep, not getting hit and making YAC. They can run the jet sweep and the occasional short crossing pattern with him but they go that well too often and he'll be on the sidelines. Even Deebo can't do that forever and he's a lot stronger than Hill. I agree that they won't run him between the tackles but I think we see Hill used a lot with the jet sweep and the bubble screens. Speed kills and those are big yard gainers for a player with his kind of speed.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 21, 2022 11:21:35 GMT -5
But apparently Deebo want's to be used strictly as a WR. I think with McDaniel as the Dolphins coach and now having Hill, they will use Hill a lot like the 9'ers used Deebo and that will be pretty tough for defenses. I understand. He's getting beat up and won't last very long if they keep running him between the tackles. He's taking a beating. Plus, WRs make more than RBs. I think Hill will be used more with the jet sweep and bubble screen plays, which are huge gainers with his speed, not anything between the tackles. As for Deebo, you're right... WR pays more but if I'm a player, I want the ball all the time.. line me up at WR, in the backfield, under center.... give me the ball! Hahaha!! But then you end up like McCaffrey and can't stay on the field, I guess.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 21, 2022 11:55:54 GMT -5
Surprised they chose to list Hardman over Slayton. Slayton drafted later (#171) has been better and many people think Hardman is a disappointment for where he was drafted. You got the 4 players listed in that chart above plus Slayton at (#171) who have all produced better while being drafted later to much later. College coaching really does some mind numbing shit, McLaurin caught 75 balls total in 4 years at Ohio State(barely used him till Sr. yr, still only had 35 catches his Sr yr.) How come they didn't list all of these guys... You can go through any draft, any team, any round, and hand pick guys who were drafted "after" other players who have better stats than the earlier picks. Draft # | Team | Player | Rec's | Yds | Rec TD's | 32 | Patriots | N'Keal Harry | 57 | 598 | 4 | 57 | Eagles | JJ Arcega Whiteside | 16 | 290 | 1 | 59 | Colts | Paris Campbell | 34 | 360 | 2 | 62 | Cardinals | Andy Isabella | 31 | 426 | 3 | 67 | 49ers
| Jalen Hurd | 0 | 0 | 0 | 93 | Ravens | Miles Boykin | 33 | 470 | 7 | 103 | Cardinals | Hakeem Butler | 0 | 0 | 0 | 120 | Seahawks | Gary Jennings | 0 | 0 | 0 | 126 | Bears | Riley Ridley | 10 | 108 | 0 | UDFA | Patriots | Jakobi Meyers | 168 | 1954 | 2 |
Cardinals whiffed twice. Seahawks took DK but then whiffed on Jennings. There are 8 teams(a 1/4 of the league) just in that small table sample size, of just one draft yr, that whiffed on WR's. ...and that is obviously not all the whiffs on WR's in that draft class, just some of the more talked about names leading up to that draft.
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Post by garytx on Apr 21, 2022 12:35:34 GMT -5
Deebo had 1800 combined yards, 14 TDs, 18.2 yards per catch and he’s 25. Hill had 1300 combined yards (with a substantially better QB), 9 TDs and 11.2 yards per catch and he’s 28. Give me Samuel every day and especially on Sunday. Different offenses, 9'ers use Deebo a lot differently than the Chiefs used Hill. I think now with Hill in Miami with McDaniel as his coach, the Dolphins will use Hill in more ways like the 9'ers used Deebo. Btw, apparently Deebo doesn't like being used in other ways, only want's to be used strictly as a WR... which I kind of find odd. I have listened to current and former players compare Hill to all other receivers in the league and they all say Hill is the hardest receiver in the league to defend, that his speed is just a giant problem all over the field. I prefer Deebo over Hill but that's because Deebo was being used in different positions and Hill wasn't. If Hill is used like Deebo has been, I'll take Hill over Deebo. I found it odd too that Deebo would want to be used just as a WR. I would think that would cut into money. Less value. You would think you would want the ball as many times a game as possible. This just takes away ball touches. It's moot anyway. SF will not put him on the trading block unless they get knocked over with an offer but I can't see that. Draft picks with a huge contract is a lot to give up. Give me Hill all day long. Speed kills. Runs great routes and catches the ball. A very rare WR.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 21, 2022 13:28:23 GMT -5
Different offenses, 9'ers use Deebo a lot differently than the Chiefs used Hill. I think now with Hill in Miami with McDaniel as his coach, the Dolphins will use Hill in more ways like the 9'ers used Deebo. Btw, apparently Deebo doesn't like being used in other ways, only want's to be used strictly as a WR... which I kind of find odd. I have listened to current and former players compare Hill to all other receivers in the league and they all say Hill is the hardest receiver in the league to defend, that his speed is just a giant problem all over the field. I prefer Deebo over Hill but that's because Deebo was being used in different positions and Hill wasn't. If Hill is used like Deebo has been, I'll take Hill over Deebo. I found it odd too that Deebo would want to be used just as a WR. I would think that would cut into money. Less value. You would think you would want the ball as many times a game as possible. This just takes away ball touches. It's moot anyway. SF will not put him on the trading block unless they get knocked over with an offer but I can't see that. Draft picks with a huge contract is a lot to give up. Give me Hill all day long. Speed kills. Runs great routes and catches the ball. A very rare WR. speed does eventually fade, unless you are Champ Bailey or Malcom Butler
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Post by garytx on Apr 21, 2022 13:50:52 GMT -5
I found it odd too that Deebo would want to be used just as a WR. I would think that would cut into money. Less value. You would think you would want the ball as many times a game as possible. This just takes away ball touches. It's moot anyway. SF will not put him on the trading block unless they get knocked over with an offer but I can't see that. Draft picks with a huge contract is a lot to give up. Give me Hill all day long. Speed kills. Runs great routes and catches the ball. A very rare WR. speed does eventually fade, unless you are Champ Bailey or Malcom Butler Sorry. I missing something. What are you talking about?
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Post by rkarp on Apr 21, 2022 13:54:32 GMT -5
speed does eventually fade, unless you are Champ Bailey or Malcom Butler Sorry. I missing something. What are you talking about? is Tyreke Hill still Tyreke Hill if he loses a step or two?
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 21, 2022 14:36:53 GMT -5
I’d like to see the number of targets for each player to put it into better prospective. The other names were all asked to start from day one where as Harry had the “luxury” of sitting behind better options for a year. Kinda chicken and egg. Harry is a 1st round bust, plain and simple. If he had anything he would be on the field taking receptions from all the late rounders, UDFAs, and converted QBs we have catching passes. He can't get on the field he can't get targets he can't get receptions. Point taken. I’d still like to see the stat though.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 21, 2022 16:37:13 GMT -5
Surprised they chose to list Hardman over Slayton. Slayton drafted later (#171) has been better and many people think Hardman is a disappointment. College coaching really does some mind numbing shit, McLaurin caught 75 balls total in 4 years at Ohio State(barely used him till Sr. yr, still only had 35 catches his Sr yr.) How come they didn't list all of these guys... You can go through any draft, any team, any round, and hand pick guys who were drafted "after" other players who have better stats than the earlier picks. Draft # | Team | Player | Rec's | Yds | Rec TD's | 32 | Patriots | N'Keal Harry | 57 | 598 | 4 | 57 | Eagles | JJ Arcega Whiteside | 16 | 290 | 1 | 59 | Colts | Paris Campbell | 34 | 360 | 2 | 62 | Cardinals | Andy Isabella | 31 | 426 | 3 | 67 | 49ers
| Jalen Hurd | 0 | 0 | 0 | 93 | Ravens | Miles Boykin | 33 | 470 | 7 | 103 | Cardinals | Hakeem Butler | 0 | 0 | 0 | 120 | Seahawks | Gary Jennings | 0 | 0 | 0 | 126 | Bears | Riley Ridley | 10 | 108 | 0 | UDFA | Patriots | Jakobi Meyers | 168 | 1954 | 2 |
Cardinals whiffed twice. Seahawks took DK but then whiffed on Jennings. There are 8 teams(a 1/4 of the league) just in that small table sample size, of just one draft yr, that whiffed on WR's. ...and that is obviously not all the whiffs on WR's in that draft class, just some of the more talked about names leading up to that draft. We'll find out just how good Hardman really is now that Hill is gone. Hardman should get many more reps. Still, 126, 1791, 12 I'd take every day.
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