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Post by 7thheaven on Oct 13, 2023 19:51:03 GMT -5
Currently under-the-radar QB prospect from Houston... Donovan Smith Listed at 6-5, 230 lb In 6 games this season, he has completed 66% of 219 passes thrown for an average gain of 7.3 yds per attempt; has scored 13 passing TDs vs 3 INTs He has also scored 4 rush TDs. Kinda raw. But if you are looking for a tall QB who might fall outside the first three rounds, add this one to your watchlist. and one game winning hail mary! That was crazy ending! 41-39, game of the week right there. |
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Post by lowfbiq on Oct 13, 2023 20:07:00 GMT -5
Very interesting listen...
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Post by thejuice on Oct 13, 2023 20:16:51 GMT -5
i mean if denver was smart, theyd cut their losses after this season and cut russ. question is (kind of like here) does their current starter or their backup (stidham) give them a better shot to lose games this season?
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Post by muzwell on Oct 14, 2023 4:19:05 GMT -5
i mean if denver was smart, theyd cut their losses after this season and cut russ. question is (kind of like here) does their current starter or their backup (stidham) give them a better shot to lose games this season? I think they will after the season. It’s a big crazy dead money number but it’s necessary. I don’t recall a quarterback going from as good as he was to this bad without some injury. He did miss some time in Seattle with injuries so maybe that’s it? I don’t think Sean Payton will tank but even if they try 4 wins might be their ceiling. So yeah they will be in on the college QBs most likely. Even if they keep Wilson they still need to get someone else in the building because Wilson is not the long term answer. |
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Post by CWTB on Oct 14, 2023 5:01:08 GMT -5
Watched the Colorado- Stanford game it was fantastic.
3 things stuck
Shedeur is a 1st rounder.
Keep an eye on Stanfords QB Daniels
AND WR Elic Ayomanor kid is a animal. What a game he had.
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Post by mthurl on Oct 14, 2023 6:33:54 GMT -5
Quarterbacks 1. Caleb Williams, USC (3rd Year | 6-1, 215) 2. Drake Maye, North Carolina (3rd Year | 230) 3. Bo Nix, Oregon (5th Year | 6-2, 217) 4. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado (3rd Year | 6-2, 216) 5. Michael Penix Jr., Washington (6th Year | 6-3, 213) This is the most exciting thing in the draft for me, i wanna see the Patriots get a real good QB for their team, keep building towards depth/quality at QB, keep at it! PS - it's sad i am looking forward to next season, that says this season is a top 5 draft pick type of year? Same. I want that QB, I want that hope, I don’t care if it takes another few years to develop him or whatever. I want hope again, there is ZERO hope with this current team, and there never will be with the quarterback we have now. Please, for the love of god draft Drake Maye. I just like his overall talent level...love his arm, his height, his athleticism, his toughness. He actually stands in there and gets pummeled when he releases the ball...he can run and make people miss...he can throw the ball to any spot on the field. There’s no guarantee he’ll be a great player, but at least there’s great tools to work with. |
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Post by wazzu on Oct 14, 2023 8:02:38 GMT -5
Quarterbacks 1. Caleb Williams, USC (3rd Year | 6-1, 215) 2. Drake Maye, North Carolina (3rd Year | 230) 3. Bo Nix, Oregon (5th Year | 6-2, 217) 4. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado (3rd Year | 6-2, 216) 5. Michael Penix Jr., Washington (6th Year | 6-3, 213) This is the most exciting thing in the draft for me, i wanna see the Patriots get a real good QB for their team, keep building towards depth/quality at QB, keep at it! PS - it's sad i am looking forward to next season, that says this season is a top 5 draft pick type of year? Same. I want that QB, I want that hope, I don’t care if it takes another few years to develop him or whatever. I want hope again, there is ZERO hope with this current team, and there never will be with the quarterback we have now. Please, for the love of god draft Drake Maye. I just like his overall talent level...love his arm, his height, his athleticism, his toughness. He actually stands in there and gets pummeled when he releases the ball...he can run and make people miss...he can throw the ball to any spot on the field. There’s no guarantee he’ll be a great player, but at least there’s great tools to work with. Totally agree. I think NE will be in position to draft one of these top QBs and I think they need to. I doubt they will pick #1, so Williams is likely out of the question. Of the remaining, I like Maye too. I’m with you, I want a big, strong athlete. Great arm. Let’s get a guy with the tools. The development will take time, but let’s get a guy with the tools. There are some good prospects coming out. It’s a good year to have a high pick. |
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Post by johngrant on Oct 14, 2023 8:37:10 GMT -5
Same. I want that QB, I want that hope, I don’t care if it takes another few years to develop him or whatever. I want hope again, there is ZERO hope with this current team, and there never will be with the quarterback we have now. Please, for the love of god draft Drake Maye. I just like his overall talent level...love his arm, his height, his athleticism, his toughness. He actually stands in there and gets pummeled when he releases the ball...he can run and make people miss...he can throw the ball to any spot on the field. There’s no guarantee he’ll be a great player, but at least there’s great tools to work with. Totally agree. I think NE will be in position to draft one of these top QBs and I think they need to. I doubt they will pick #1, so Williams is likely out of the question. Of the remaining, I like Maye too. I’m with you, I want a big, strong athlete. Great arm. Let’s get a guy with the tools. The development will take time, but let’s get a guy with the tools. There are some good prospects coming out. It’s a good year to have a high pick. The QBs from both Washington schools are supposed to be good. I guess the guy from Wash State a little under the radar? |
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Post by wazzu on Oct 14, 2023 9:05:05 GMT -5
Totally agree. I think NE will be in position to draft one of these top QBs and I think they need to. I doubt they will pick #1, so Williams is likely out of the question. Of the remaining, I like Maye too. I’m with you, I want a big, strong athlete. Great arm. Let’s get a guy with the tools. The development will take time, but let’s get a guy with the tools. There are some good prospects coming out. It’s a good year to have a high pick. The QBs from both Washington schools are supposed to be good. I guess the guy from Wash State a little under the radar? I like him as a college QB. He’s definitely been good for WSU. But I don’t think he sees the field well. I don’t think he processes quickly enough and I don’t think he feels pressure well. I think he’s a good college QB but I wouldn’t want him in the NFL. |
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Post by section136 on Oct 14, 2023 9:40:27 GMT -5
I think using a 1st round pick for a QB at this point is putting the cart before the horse. This offensive line cannot protect any QB and building a strong, effective unit is not an overnight project. Unless they spend in FA on two above average tackles and the young interior linemen all meet their potential, they'll be doing what most of the ding dong teams who always pick early have done for years....ruin their franchise QB and lose.
I want to see the team use the early rounds (and FA) to gain the ability to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. IMO that must be the 1st priority! After that a solid QB prospect that can be developed behind a FA QB (preferably with running ability) and WR talent from the draft and FA. In other words, beef up the lines and then spend on skill positions. No more ST players in the draft or FA.
Before all that can happen they need to get their talent evaluation staff and coaching staff straightened out with the most talented people they can acquire - start poaching talent from other teams and college. And work them as a team to give the players the best opportunity to succeed. RK needs to spend money on this and BB needs to go along with leading this or he needs to be replaced.
I believe this is the path to becoming a lasting play off contender and much less risky then searching for the Holy Grail of quarter backs every season. And who knows - we may discover that they don't need a generational talent at QB...just a smart one that can make the throws and is a very good leader!
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Post by thejuice on Oct 14, 2023 10:27:20 GMT -5
i mean if denver was smart, theyd cut their losses after this season and cut russ. question is (kind of like here) does their current starter or their backup (stidham) give them a better shot to lose games this season? I think they will after the season. It’s a big crazy dead money number but it’s necessary. I don’t recall a quarterback going from as good as he was to this bad without some injury. He did miss some time in Seattle with injuries so maybe that’s it? I don’t think Sean Payton will tank but even if they try 4 wins might be their ceiling. So yeah they will be in on the college QBs most likely. Even if they keep Wilson they still need to get someone else in the building because Wilson is not the long term answer. agreed. he actually looked better the first 4 weeks this season that last season.. but still looked nothing like his old self. unless he way turns it around the rest of the year, i agree, the only choice imo is to cut your losses with him now (at the end of this season) and take the cap hits in 24 and 25 and just move on. |
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Post by mthurl on Oct 14, 2023 11:32:18 GMT -5
I think using a 1st round pick for a QB at this point is putting the cart before the horse. This offensive line cannot protect any QB and building a strong, effective unit is not an overnight project. Unless they spend in FA on two above average tackles and the young interior linemen all meet their potential, they'll be doing what most of the ding dong teams who always pick early have done for years....ruin their franchise QB and lose. I want to see the team use the early rounds (and FA) to gain the ability to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. IMO that must be the 1st priority! After that a solid QB prospect that can be developed behind a FA QB (preferably with running ability) and WR talent from the draft and FA. In other words, beef up the lines and then spend on skill positions. No more ST players in the draft or FA. Before all that can happen they need to get their talent evaluation staff and coaching staff straightened out with the most talented people they can acquire - start poaching talent from other teams and college. And work them as a team to give the players the best opportunity to succeed. RK needs to spend money on this and BB needs to go along with leading this or he needs to be replaced. I believe this is the path to becoming a lasting play off contender and much less risky then searching for the Holy Grail of quarter backs every season. And who knows - we may discover that they don't need a generational talent at QB...just a smart one that can make the throws and is a very good leader! The QB is the cart and the horse, without him there is nothing. I understand what you are saying, but you get the QB while you can, if you can. Sit him for a year if you have to (if you can do nothing to improve your line), but that shouldn’t be an issue...they have money to spend, free agents they can sign, and most likely will be selecting high in every round. 30 offensive linemen will be selected during the draft, some will turn out really good. Meanwhile, the quarterback position is a much more rare position to draft and fill. I’d grab that QB if I could. And I’d definitely make the line a top priority too...there’s trades, free agency and the draft. They should have plenty of assets available to build a decent line, and add a weapon or two. IMO. |
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Post by wazzu on Oct 14, 2023 11:36:27 GMT -5
I think they will after the season. It’s a big crazy dead money number but it’s necessary. I don’t recall a quarterback going from as good as he was to this bad without some injury. He did miss some time in Seattle with injuries so maybe that’s it? I don’t think Sean Payton will tank but even if they try 4 wins might be their ceiling. So yeah they will be in on the college QBs most likely. Even if they keep Wilson they still need to get someone else in the building because Wilson is not the long term answer. agreed. he actually looked better the first 4 weeks this season that last season.. but still looked nothing like his old self. unless he way turns it around the rest of the year, i agree, the only choice imo is to cut your losses with him now (at the end of this season) and take the cap hits in 24 and 25 and just move on. I think there are a lot of factors to this. Obviously Russ is a shell of his old self. His contract is unbelievably awful. It will be used as examples in university business classes for years of how NOT to do business. But I also think he’s a toxic teammate. I think he alienates himself from his teammates and that his awkwardness and douche bag personality make him incredibly unlikeable by players, fans, and media. When things go south for him, it gets really bad because everyone wants to pile on. I think his mere presence is a problem on a bad team. I think they will definitely move on after this season and cut their huge losses. |
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Post by lowfbiq on Oct 14, 2023 12:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by muzwell on Oct 14, 2023 12:07:46 GMT -5
I think using a 1st round pick for a QB at this point is putting the cart before the horse. This offensive line cannot protect any QB and building a strong, effective unit is not an overnight project. Unless they spend in FA on two above average tackles and the young interior linemen all meet their potential, they'll be doing what most of the ding dong teams who always pick early have done for years....ruin their franchise QB and lose. I want to see the team use the early rounds (and FA) to gain the ability to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. IMO that must be the 1st priority! After that a solid QB prospect that can be developed behind a FA QB (preferably with running ability) and WR talent from the draft and FA. In other words, beef up the lines and then spend on skill positions. No more ST players in the draft or FA. Before all that can happen they need to get their talent evaluation staff and coaching staff straightened out with the most talented people they can acquire - start poaching talent from other teams and college. And work them as a team to give the players the best opportunity to succeed. RK needs to spend money on this and BB needs to go along with leading this or he needs to be replaced. I believe this is the path to becoming a lasting play off contender and much less risky then searching for the Holy Grail of quarter backs every season. And who knows - we may discover that they don't need a generational talent at QB...just a smart one that can make the throws and is a very good leader! The QB is the cart and the horse, without him there is nothing. I understand what you are saying, but you get the QB while you can, if you can. Sit him for a year if you have to (if you can do nothing to improve your line), but that shouldn’t be an issue...they have money to spend, free agents they can sign, and most likely will be selecting high in every round. 30 offensive linemen will be selected during the draft, some will turn out really good. Meanwhile, the quarterback position is a much more rare position to draft and fill. I’d grab that QB if I could. And I’d definitely make the line a top priority too...there’s trades, free agency and the draft. They should have plenty of assets available to build a decent line, and add a weapon or two. IMO. Agree they need much better QB play. But I look at teams like Philly and SF and the key to those offenses is the OL. You could plug in a lot of QBs on those teams and be fine. As opposed to teams like KC and Buffalo that are pretty much totally dependent on the quarterback’s skills. Throw Cincy in that group as well. I do agree that if you have an opportunity to draft the potential franchise QB, you really have no choice but to go for it. I suppose that’s Captain Obvious stuff right there. But, the OL is a big, big deal. Ahhh, just give me both. Plus coaching, scheme, weaponz… damn, we need a lot. |
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Post by johngrant on Oct 14, 2023 12:23:15 GMT -5
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Post by section136 on Oct 14, 2023 12:29:17 GMT -5
I think using a 1st round pick for a QB at this point is putting the cart before the horse. This offensive line cannot protect any QB and building a strong, effective unit is not an overnight project. Unless they spend in FA on two above average tackles and the young interior linemen all meet their potential, they'll be doing what most of the ding dong teams who always pick early have done for years....ruin their franchise QB and lose. I want to see the team use the early rounds (and FA) to gain the ability to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. IMO that must be the 1st priority! After that a solid QB prospect that can be developed behind a FA QB (preferably with running ability) and WR talent from the draft and FA. In other words, beef up the lines and then spend on skill positions. No more ST players in the draft or FA. Before all that can happen they need to get their talent evaluation staff and coaching staff straightened out with the most talented people they can acquire - start poaching talent from other teams and college. And work them as a team to give the players the best opportunity to succeed. RK needs to spend money on this and BB needs to go along with leading this or he needs to be replaced. I believe this is the path to becoming a lasting play off contender and much less risky then searching for the Holy Grail of quarter backs every season. And who knows - we may discover that they don't need a generational talent at QB...just a smart one that can make the throws and is a very good leader! The QB is the cart and the horse, without him there is nothing. I understand what you are saying, but you get the QB while you can, if you can. Sit him for a year if you have to (if you can do nothing to improve your line), but that shouldn’t be an issue...they have money to spend, free agents they can sign, and most likely will be selecting high in every round. 30 offensive linemen will be selected during the draft, some will turn out really good. Meanwhile, the quarterback position is a much more rare position to draft and fill. I’d grab that QB if I could. And I’d definitely make the line a top priority too...there’s trades, free agency and the draft. They should have plenty of assets available to build a decent line, and add a weapon or two. IMO. I don't think we are as far apart as you're first statement would suggest. We just have different ideas on the QB position's value. I could be wrong but I think what you are seeking is a very rare thing and the business of the draft creates players who are seriously over valued - QB's in particular. IMO Tom Brady's greatest asset as a QB was his leadership ability, his drive and the work ethic he showed made men want to follow him through a brick wall. I don't think Brady was ever the most talented and/or athletic QB in the league but he was the smartest and most gifted leader year in and year out. If this was his 3rd year on this team - people would be screaming for his head and Zappe fever would be just as strong. But in the beginning of his career he had a very stout D, a very stout offensive line and decent weapons. He won because of the team and because of his determination and energy. There were a lot of nail biters and ugly wins but he delivered and he wasn't even the GOAT yet. If you and others here are really honest and memories are still intact you all know it's true. Bledsoe was the more physically talented QB, Brady was the smartest. they don't measure character or football intelligence and leadership in the draft metrics - that's why I don't want a 1st round QB. I want a difference maker and there's too few QB's that qualify, to waste a 1st round pick on. |
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Oct 14, 2023 12:44:02 GMT -5
The QB is the cart and the horse, without him there is nothing. I understand what you are saying, but you get the QB while you can, if you can. Sit him for a year if you have to (if you can do nothing to improve your line), but that shouldn’t be an issue...they have money to spend, free agents they can sign, and most likely will be selecting high in every round. 30 offensive linemen will be selected during the draft, some will turn out really good. Meanwhile, the quarterback position is a much more rare position to draft and fill. I’d grab that QB if I could. And I’d definitely make the line a top priority too...there’s trades, free agency and the draft. They should have plenty of assets available to build a decent line, and add a weapon or two. IMO. I don't think we are as far apart as you're first statement would suggest. We just have different ideas on the QB position's value. I could be wrong but I think what you are seeking is a very rare thing and the business of the draft creates players who are seriously over valued - QB's in particular. IMO Tom Brady's greatest asset as a QB was his leadership ability, his drive and the work ethic he showed made men want to follow him through a brick wall. I don't think Brady was ever the most talented and/or athletic QB in the league but he was the smartest and most gifted leader year in and year out. If this was his 3rd year on this team - people would be screaming for his head and Zappe fever would be just as strong. But in the beginning of his career he had a very stout D, a very stout offensive line and decent weapons. He won because of the team and because of his determination and energy. There were a lot of nail biters and ugly wins but he delivered and he wasn't even the GOAT yet. If you and others here are really honest and memories are still intact you all know it's true. Bledsoe was the more physically talented QB, Brady was the smartest. they don't measure character or football intelligence and leadership in the draft metrics - that's why I don't want a 1st round QB. I want a difference maker and there's too few QB's that qualify, to waste a 1st round pick on. Brady has one of the most underrated arms ever. People act like his arm strength was garbage. It got better. |
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Post by thejuice on Oct 14, 2023 12:51:19 GMT -5
agreed. he actually looked better the first 4 weeks this season that last season.. but still looked nothing like his old self. unless he way turns it around the rest of the year, i agree, the only choice imo is to cut your losses with him now (at the end of this season) and take the cap hits in 24 and 25 and just move on. I think there are a lot of factors to this. Obviously Russ is a shell of his old self. His contract is unbelievably awful. It will be used as examples in university business classes for years of how NOT to do business. But I also think he’s a toxic teammate. I think he alienates himself from his teammates and that his awkwardness and douche bag personality make him incredibly unlikeable by players, fans, and media. When things go south for him, it gets really bad because everyone wants to pile on. I think his mere presence is a problem on a bad team. I think they will definitely move on after this season and cut their huge losses. Definitely agree that he’s not a good teammate or leader and that he clearly doesn’t care enough to work enough at his craft to be great |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Oct 14, 2023 12:52:43 GMT -5
Watched the Colorado- Stanford game it was fantastic. 3 things stuck Shedeur is a 1st rounder. Keep an eye on Stanfords QB Daniels AND WR Elic Ayomanor kid is a animal. What a game he had. Daniels is a soph. I don't think he is elligible in 2024. But he's definitely someone to keep an eye on. Another year playing in college would be good for him. His completion rate is barely 60%. He needs to get more reps and improve on that. But I definitely like the way he plays. He stands patient in the pocket, going through his reads. He can occasionally escape and extend the play with his legs, but his best plays IMO were still passes. Ayomanor is a soph too. I like thick WRs like that, so I will be watching him. He is another guy who could use another year in college after this season. To date, 13 recs in a game is an anomaly for him. Before the Colorado game, he has not caught more than 4. His performance last night will change that. They rallied back with him catching a lot. He made his QB better. He will get more reps. Stanford will be interesting to watch because they figured something out in that game. Even the coaching staff, I think. Colorado kept blitzing. Stanford figured out how to score a lot doing max protect. |
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Post by mthurl on Oct 14, 2023 13:34:51 GMT -5
I don't think we are as far apart as you're first statement would suggest. We just have different ideas on the QB position's value. I could be wrong but I think what you are seeking is a very rare thing and the business of the draft creates players who are seriously over valued - QB's in particular. IMO Tom Brady's greatest asset as a QB was his leadership ability, his drive and the work ethic he showed made men want to follow him through a brick wall. I don't think Brady was ever the most talented and/or athletic QB in the league but he was the smartest and most gifted leader year in and year out. If this was his 3rd year on this team - people would be screaming for his head and Zappe fever would be just as strong. But in the beginning of his career he had a very stout D, a very stout offensive line and decent weapons. He won because of the team and because of his determination and energy. There were a lot of nail biters and ugly wins but he delivered and he wasn't even the GOAT yet. If you and others here are really honest and memories are still intact you all know it's true. Bledsoe was the more physically talented QB, Brady was the smartest. they don't measure character or football intelligence and leadership in the draft metrics - that's why I don't want a 1st round QB. I want a difference maker and there's too few QB's that qualify, to waste a 1st round pick on. Brady has one of the most underrated arms ever. People act like his arm strength was garbage. It got better. I think, not only his arm, but his overall talent level is extremely underrated. It shouldn’t be. He was tall, could take a hit (serious hits), he moved extremely well in the pocket, had rare field vision, unbelievable accuracy, great mechanics, unreal lightning quick decision making skills, on TOP of the competitiveness, desire, and leadership. He was the best player the NFL has ever seen for a reason, and it’s not just a “can do” attitude. That’s only gets you so far, this guy had it all. |
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Post by mthurl on Oct 14, 2023 13:40:37 GMT -5
The QB is the cart and the horse, without him there is nothing. I understand what you are saying, but you get the QB while you can, if you can. Sit him for a year if you have to (if you can do nothing to improve your line), but that shouldn’t be an issue...they have money to spend, free agents they can sign, and most likely will be selecting high in every round. 30 offensive linemen will be selected during the draft, some will turn out really good. Meanwhile, the quarterback position is a much more rare position to draft and fill. I’d grab that QB if I could. And I’d definitely make the line a top priority too...there’s trades, free agency and the draft. They should have plenty of assets available to build a decent line, and add a weapon or two. IMO. I don't think we are as far apart as you're first statement would suggest. We just have different ideas on the QB position's value. I could be wrong but I think what you are seeking is a very rare thing and the business of the draft creates players who are seriously over valued - QB's in particular. IMO Tom Brady's greatest asset as a QB was his leadership ability, his drive and the work ethic he showed made men want to follow him through a brick wall. I don't think Brady was ever the most talented and/or athletic QB in the league but he was the smartest and most gifted leader year in and year out. If this was his 3rd year on this team - people would be screaming for his head and Zappe fever would be just as strong. But in the beginning of his career he had a very stout D, a very stout offensive line and decent weapons. He won because of the team and because of his determination and energy. There were a lot of nail biters and ugly wins but he delivered and he wasn't even the GOAT yet. If you and others here are really honest and memories are still intact you all know it's true. Bledsoe was the more physically talented QB, Brady was the smartest. they don't measure character or football intelligence and leadership in the draft metrics - that's why I don't want a 1st round QB. I want a difference maker and there's too few QB's that qualify, to waste a 1st round pick on. You are right, I am looking for a very rare thing - an absolute equalizer at the quarterback position - and I think there may be two of them available at the top of next years draft. I want one. People are calling these two, generational talents, I tend to agree. I get what you’re saying, it’s an overall team that makes it work. I agree. But I also think you’re discounting what Brady was a little bit, he was more than just a good player with great leadership skills. That’s will only get you so far, he also had the talent, and the extreme consistency/toughness/yearly improvement that was linear. He is considered the best player in NFL history, despite playing on 6-7 vastly different rosters in his career. The results were always the same...you were going to be competing for a Super Bowl. I’ll take a guy like that anywhere in the draft, but unfortunately I think it’ll need to be the top 1-3 picks next year to land yourself the opportunity. Maybe there are others that will be available later, and go on to better careers with better opportunities, but the unique talent this year seems to be Williams and Drake. IMO. But I get what you’re saying. |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Oct 14, 2023 16:07:07 GMT -5
ORE DE Jordan Burch is interesting.
Listed on ESPN and the Ducks site at 6-6, 290
On Drafttek, he is listed 6-5, 275
Very athletic. Has pressured Penix a couple of times. 3 sacks YTD
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Oct 14, 2023 16:09:38 GMT -5
ORE vs WA has been entertaining so far. Both QBs really trying to carry their respective teams.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Oct 14, 2023 16:13:34 GMT -5
Iowa TE Erick All was playing really well before his knee got bent backwards. That sucks for the kid.
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