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Post by kcpatsfan on Feb 4, 2024 8:53:41 GMT -5
They were trying to force him to be more collaborative and apparently he was not good at that. Perhaps why other potential landing opportunities seem to have dried up for the Coach |
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 4, 2024 9:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by lioneljoe on Feb 4, 2024 9:30:11 GMT -5
But we have been told that now that Belichick is gone, "job titles matter" . So why can't the Patriots just name a GM? Could that have been said just to show they're now different from BB days? Sure, but you can't just say the different thing, you have to do the different thing too. |
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Post by carawaydj on Feb 4, 2024 10:26:09 GMT -5
This is what Reiss basically reported a few days ago. And we know Reiss doesn't speculate or engage in gossip. Wolf is the GM, official or not. We can all put away the pitchforks and go back home. They have a guy in charge. But we have been told that now that Belichick is gone, "job titles matter" . So why can't the Patriots just name a GM? What's the shell game here and why? I can give a few reasons: 1. Mayo wouldn't have the authority to name the GM. 2. Maybe they don't plan to have a traditional GM role, but split it. 3. Mayo's primary reason for job titles was to give coaches the opportunity to get promoted elsewhere. Does that apply to GM's? |
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Post by TFB12 on Feb 4, 2024 12:35:52 GMT -5
Very possible the reports earlier about Steve Belichick going to the college program are true. He's out and the Pats bringing in McAdoo? What's the link? Are they mutually exclusive or is it a numbers cap? (it there a Coaching cap?) it was reported that Steve Belichick wouldn’t be a position coach, he would be an assistant coach to Mayo. Now it’s being reported that McAdoo will be the assistant coach. Teams generally only have one assistant coach and then the position coaches. |
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Post by lioneljoe on Feb 4, 2024 12:45:03 GMT -5
But we have been told that now that Belichick is gone, "job titles matter" . So why can't the Patriots just name a GM? What's the shell game here and why? I can give a few reasons: 1. Mayo wouldn't have the authority to name the GM. 2. Maybe they don't plan to have a traditional GM role, but split it. 3. Mayo's primary reason for job titles was to give coaches the opportunity to get promoted elsewhere. Does that apply to GM's? But the NFL expects and requires that someone will be named with the ultimate responsibility for personnel decisions. |
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Post by carawaydj on Feb 4, 2024 12:58:07 GMT -5
I can give a few reasons: 1. Mayo wouldn't have the authority to name the GM. 2. Maybe they don't plan to have a traditional GM role, but split it. 3. Mayo's primary reason for job titles was to give coaches the opportunity to get promoted elsewhere. Does that apply to GM's? But the NFL expects and requires that someone will be named with the ultimate responsibility for personnel decisions. There will be an authorized binding signature on every transaction. That is all the NFL/NFLPA cares about. |
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Post by lioneljoe on Feb 4, 2024 14:08:02 GMT -5
But the NFL expects and requires that someone will be named with the ultimate responsibility for personnel decisions. There will be an authorized binding signature on every transaction. That is all the NFL/NFLPA cares about. Correct, and whose signature will that be? The name needs to be filed with the NFL. |
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 4, 2024 15:37:38 GMT -5
There will be an authorized binding signature on every transaction. That is all the NFL/NFLPA cares about. Correct, and whose signature will that be? The name needs to be filed with the NFL. Probably Robyn Glaser. She's the executive in charge of contracting, I believe. |
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Post by thejuice on Feb 4, 2024 15:38:08 GMT -5
While I agree with you that we don’t know anything at this point how anything will work out, how can you call the Mayo regime thus far as a success as you did earlier today? It’s neither a success or a failure at this point because there’s not enough information and evidence of anything yet to formulate an actual conclusion It's a success given the goals of the first three weeks. He's moving quickly to build a coaching team, and I think the initial choices seem good. A failure would be if hiring were taking too long and we were risking not having a team in place as free agency gets close. speed of hire has absolutely nothing at all to do whether its a good hire or not. |
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 4, 2024 15:44:09 GMT -5
It's a success given the goals of the first three weeks. He's moving quickly to build a coaching team, and I think the initial choices seem good. A failure would be if hiring were taking too long and we were risking not having a team in place as free agency gets close. speed of hire has absolutely nothing at all to do whether its a good hire or not. No, but they seem like good choices and they got them signed quickly. All the nervous nellies here seem to be finding fault with everything Mayo does. But so far, he seems to me to be doing well, especially given his relative lack of experience as a head coach. I really like that he's promoting from within on defense and bringing in outside talent on offense. I like the fact that Van Pelt has so much experience with QBs. I don't think McAdoo would be a bad acquisition either. |
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Post by ucmiami on Feb 4, 2024 16:18:00 GMT -5
Sorry, but in any line of business, I do not want every decision being made by the CEO being based on a vote of all interested parties - sure way to end up broke! Same with a sports team - I want someone making the final decision - listen to interested parties, but put you name on the decision. And I doubt RB ever ran his businesses as consensus decision making concerns.
If Wolf is in fact the most dominant voice in decisions on coaching hires, then name him GM. But don't site the GB recent drafting success as part of the reason which I have seen sited, since he hasn't worked in GB since before Love and most of the GB players were drafted/brought in. (Left GB in 2018.)
And this quote is from the sited article above is crazy:
It’s fair to wonder why Belichick wouldn’t just put his head down, adapt to another team’s way of business and focus on coaching his way to another 15-plus wins before retiring with a monopoly of significant coaching records.
What team would hire a guy with no convictions beyond compiling 15 wins during his tenure. 'Hey, give me this HCing job, because I don't care about how the team is run or who makes all the decisions, I'll just be a happy camper while I get my wins and then I'll sail off into the sunset" would certainly satisfy any owner.
And this is just a hatchet job:
But if Belichick wouldn’t go all in to pitch Kraft on a way to turn around the Patriots’ recent misfortunes, he certainly wasn’t going to do it for a relative stranger. League sources believed Kraft might have been swayed to keep Belichick for another season if the coach committed to changing certain strategies with the personnel department, roster construction and his offensive vision, but Belichick had been accustomed to a specific approach and wouldn’t bend that far.
Bill gave his vision to Kraft this year just as he has every on of the 23 previous years - Kraft just didn't like it as he didn't like last years plan to get rid of Mac. Kraft report that he made this decision 8 years ago, and he has been interfering with BB's visions for the team almost as long. And the timing was I think decided last year when Mayo was promoted behind Bill's back and then with Mayo and RK actively campaigning this past year inside the building.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 4, 2024 16:32:56 GMT -5
Sorry, but in any line of business, I do not want every decision being made by the CEO being based on a vote of all interested parties - sure way to end up broke! Same with a sports team - I want someone making the final decision - listen to interested parties, but put you name on the decision. And I doubt RB ever ran his businesses as consensus decision making concerns. If Wolf is in fact the most dominant voice in decisions on coaching hires, then name him GM. But don't site the GB recent drafting success as part of the reason which I have seen sited, since he hasn't worked in GB since before Love and most of the GB players were drafted/brought in. (Left GB in 2018.) And this quote is from the sited article above is crazy: It’s fair to wonder why Belichick wouldn’t just put his head down, adapt to another team’s way of business and focus on coaching his way to another 15-plus wins before retiring with a monopoly of significant coaching records.What team would hire a guy with no convictions beyond compiling 15 wins during his tenure. 'Hey, give me this HCing job, because I don't care about how the team is run or who makes all the decisions, I'll just be a happy camper while I get my wins and then I'll sail off into the sunset" would certainly satisfy any owner. And this is just a hatchet job: But if Belichick wouldn’t go all in to pitch Kraft on a way to turn around the Patriots’ recent misfortunes, he certainly wasn’t going to do it for a relative stranger. League sources believed Kraft might have been swayed to keep Belichick for another season if the coach committed to changing certain strategies with the personnel department, roster construction and his offensive vision, but Belichick had been accustomed to a specific approach and wouldn’t bend that far.Bill gave his vision to Kraft this year just as he has every on of the 23 previous years - Kraft just didn't like it as he didn't like last years plan to get rid of Mac. Kraft report that he made this decision 8 years ago, and he has been interfering with BB's visions for the team almost as long. And the timing was I think decided last year when Mayo was promoted behind Bill's back and then with Mayo and RK actively campaigning this past year inside the building. I haven't seen anything that suggests Wolf is making decisions on which coaches to hire. I think Kraft made the decision to hire Mayo, and I think Mayo is choosing who to hire as his team. He may get input from Wolf, but I'm pretty sure Mayo is the decision maker on coaches. I do suspect in free agency and the draft, the scouting team is going to make recommendations about who to choose based on the requirements the coaches give them. I think the coaches will make the final decision, and Mayo will have the last word—but I think they do want to try to build consensus. My own experience in business is that top-down organizations rarely work well. People hate working for them and end up leaving or not giving their best. Inclusion works better. Sure there's a boss who can make the final call when needed. But most of the time, you want to delegate and build consensus rather than micromanage or control every decision. |
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Post by thejuice on Feb 4, 2024 19:57:06 GMT -5
speed of hire has absolutely nothing at all to do whether its a good hire or not. No, but they seem like good choices and they got them signed quickly. All the nervous nellies here seem to be finding fault with everything Mayo does. But so far, he seems to me to be doing well, especially given his relative lack of experience as a head coach. I really like that he's promoting from within on defense and bringing in outside talent on offense. I like the fact that Van Pelt has so much experience with QBs. I don't think McAdoo would be a bad acquisition either. yeah im not agreeing or arguing with you... i just dont think we have any clue yet whether anything thats happened in the last month or so since BB was fired, is good or bad. or a success or failure. thats my point. time will tell. |
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Post by thejuice on Feb 4, 2024 19:58:37 GMT -5
Sorry, but in any line of business, I do not want every decision being made by the CEO being based on a vote of all interested parties - sure way to end up broke! Same with a sports team - I want someone making the final decision - listen to interested parties, but put you name on the decision. And I doubt RB ever ran his businesses as consensus decision making concerns. If Wolf is in fact the most dominant voice in decisions on coaching hires, then name him GM. But don't site the GB recent drafting success as part of the reason which I have seen sited, since he hasn't worked in GB since before Love and most of the GB players were drafted/brought in. (Left GB in 2018.) And this quote is from the sited article above is crazy: It’s fair to wonder why Belichick wouldn’t just put his head down, adapt to another team’s way of business and focus on coaching his way to another 15-plus wins before retiring with a monopoly of significant coaching records.What team would hire a guy with no convictions beyond compiling 15 wins during his tenure. 'Hey, give me this HCing job, because I don't care about how the team is run or who makes all the decisions, I'll just be a happy camper while I get my wins and then I'll sail off into the sunset" would certainly satisfy any owner. And this is just a hatchet job: But if Belichick wouldn’t go all in to pitch Kraft on a way to turn around the Patriots’ recent misfortunes, he certainly wasn’t going to do it for a relative stranger. League sources believed Kraft might have been swayed to keep Belichick for another season if the coach committed to changing certain strategies with the personnel department, roster construction and his offensive vision, but Belichick had been accustomed to a specific approach and wouldn’t bend that far.Bill gave his vision to Kraft this year just as he has every on of the 23 previous years - Kraft just didn't like it as he didn't like last years plan to get rid of Mac. Kraft report that he made this decision 8 years ago, and he has been interfering with BB's visions for the team almost as long. And the timing was I think decided last year when Mayo was promoted behind Bill's back and then with Mayo and RK actively campaigning this past year inside the building. great post. |
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Post by kcpatsfan on Feb 4, 2024 20:15:22 GMT -5
What's the link? Are they mutually exclusive or is it a numbers cap? (it there a Coaching cap?) it was reported that Steve Belichick wouldn’t be a position coach, he would be an assistant coach to Mayo. Now it’s being reported that McAdoo will be the assistant coach. Teams generally only have one assistant coach and then the position coaches. Oh, got it. Thanks |
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 4, 2024 21:10:59 GMT -5
No, but they seem like good choices and they got them signed quickly. All the nervous nellies here seem to be finding fault with everything Mayo does. But so far, he seems to me to be doing well, especially given his relative lack of experience as a head coach. I really like that he's promoting from within on defense and bringing in outside talent on offense. I like the fact that Van Pelt has so much experience with QBs. I don't think McAdoo would be a bad acquisition either. yeah im not agreeing or arguing with you... i just dont think we have any clue yet whether anything thats happened in the last month or so since BB was fired, is good or bad. or a success or failure. thats my point. time will tell. I agree we won't know if this team is any good for a while yet. I just don't see any reason to be as negative about them as many seem to be. In fact, as I said, I've been pleased by the alacrity with which Mayo is getting his team together. And while it's maybe not a team packed with coaching "stars" like Harbaugh, the choices seem solid enough. |
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Post by muzwell on Feb 4, 2024 22:15:27 GMT -5
Sorry, but in any line of business, I do not want every decision being made by the CEO being based on a vote of all interested parties - sure way to end up broke! Same with a sports team - I want someone making the final decision - listen to interested parties, but put you name on the decision. And I doubt RB ever ran his businesses as consensus decision making concerns. If Wolf is in fact the most dominant voice in decisions on coaching hires, then name him GM. But don't site the GB recent drafting success as part of the reason which I have seen sited, since he hasn't worked in GB since before Love and most of the GB players were drafted/brought in. (Left GB in 2018.) And this quote is from the sited article above is crazy: It’s fair to wonder why Belichick wouldn’t just put his head down, adapt to another team’s way of business and focus on coaching his way to another 15-plus wins before retiring with a monopoly of significant coaching records.What team would hire a guy with no convictions beyond compiling 15 wins during his tenure. 'Hey, give me this HCing job, because I don't care about how the team is run or who makes all the decisions, I'll just be a happy camper while I get my wins and then I'll sail off into the sunset" would certainly satisfy any owner. And this is just a hatchet job: But if Belichick wouldn’t go all in to pitch Kraft on a way to turn around the Patriots’ recent misfortunes, he certainly wasn’t going to do it for a relative stranger. League sources believed Kraft might have been swayed to keep Belichick for another season if the coach committed to changing certain strategies with the personnel department, roster construction and his offensive vision, but Belichick had been accustomed to a specific approach and wouldn’t bend that far.Bill gave his vision to Kraft this year just as he has every on of the 23 previous years - Kraft just didn't like it as he didn't like last years plan to get rid of Mac. Kraft report that he made this decision 8 years ago, and he has been interfering with BB's visions for the team almost as long. And the timing was I think decided last year when Mayo was promoted behind Bill's back and then with Mayo and RK actively campaigning this past year inside the building. I haven't seen anything that suggests Wolf is making decisions on which coaches to hire. I think Kraft made the decision to hire Mayo, and I think Mayo is choosing who to hire as his team. He may get input from Wolf, but I'm pretty sure Mayo is the decision maker on coaches. There’s plenty of speculation about that Van Pelt (for one) was a Wolf decision based on his experience with him at GB. I haven’t seen anything suggesting Mayo is making coaching decisions other than more speculation. Speculation is all we have at this point. |
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Post by freediro on Feb 6, 2024 11:31:20 GMT -5
Pretty much a done deal now, we have an offensive assistant coach
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Post by fisher on Feb 6, 2024 11:45:52 GMT -5
Since this about Macadoo, at least I thought it was, looked back at his years in NY…pretty impressive , If you don’t believe it, look at the team standings and rank where offense wa# listed… his last two years we bad and he got fired …but go further and look at roster…bet you don’t know more than 5 offensive players…
A report stated he told ownership he would love to coach mahommes,,,giants passed…he stated Darnell had throwing issues..Giants took him…
Maybe he can see if Maye is a good choice or if Daniels can play…. At least listen to him.
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 6, 2024 13:42:22 GMT -5
1st we got the last DVOA special teams guy on staff
Now we got him
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Post by fisher on Feb 6, 2024 14:08:14 GMT -5
1st we got the last DVOA special teams guy on staff Now we got him Damn..so much better than pats 32nd… |
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Post by carawaydj on Feb 6, 2024 14:12:35 GMT -5
1st we got the last DVOA special teams guy on staff Now we got him Damn..so much better than pats 32nd… To paraphrase something Tom Curran just said, beggars can't be choosy. Nobody is beating down our doors to come here. We have to take whoever we can get. It would seem it isn't just the fans who are a bit skeptical right now. |
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Feb 6, 2024 15:01:49 GMT -5
Apparently McAdoo is a good QB evaluator. That’s why they hired him.
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Post by fisher on Feb 6, 2024 16:08:09 GMT -5
Damn..so much better than pats 32nd… To paraphrase something Tom Curran just said, beggars can't be choosy. Nobody is beating down our doors to come here. We have to take whoever we can get. It would seem it isn't just the fans who are a bit skeptical right now. What do we really know ? |
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