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Apr 13, 2024 7:50:43 GMT -5
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Post by rkarp on Apr 13, 2024 7:50:43 GMT -5
I was replying to Texas’s post dillweed SMH, you quoted my post numb nuts. Pls dont be mad at me that Bill ruined the team. I have been saying it a while now
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 13, 2024 7:54:50 GMT -5
in the nfl, GM/HC's do not survive 7-9 and 4-13 back to back. Most don’t have aging owners who insist they stay with bad QB’s long after he should be benched.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 13, 2024 7:55:05 GMT -5
I have a feeling BB didn't call on Rkarp when he was part of the press corps. And Karpy was upset he had to leave NY to cover the Pats, so he was doubly upset when BB left his beloved Jest’s at the altar. That must be it Nothing to do with 4-13
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 13, 2024 7:56:51 GMT -5
That must be it Nothing to do with 4-13 Collaboration.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 13, 2024 7:59:18 GMT -5
That must be it Nothing to do with 4-13 Collaboration. Cam, Stiddy, Hoyer Unpreparedness Game passed him by Too bad
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Post by patslifer on Apr 13, 2024 8:10:41 GMT -5
Cam, Stiddy, Hoyer Unpreparedness Game passed him by Too bad Possibly the greatest coach of all time let the game pass him by? what does that mean? Where hasn't he adapted his approach?
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Post by texaspat on Apr 13, 2024 8:56:55 GMT -5
Stephon Gilmore says, "Don't leave the BS documentary fool you. Bill Belichick is the GOAT: Gilmore wrote on social media today that having watched the series, he’s disappointed in the lack of credit Belichick received for the Patriots’ success. “Just watched The Dynasty,” Gilmore wrote. “Bill was the greatest coach I’ve ever been around. Don’t let that fool you. I’ll never forget we were a predominantly man team during the 2018 season all the way up to the Super Bowl. When we played the Rams we switched to Zone. No coach would switch what they did all season in a big game like that. Or him telling me to play trail technique in Buffalo because the quarterback can’t throw against the wind when i was following a big time receiver. If you ever played corner that’s not a good feeling playing trail technique. I shut the WR down to 0 catches.” It’s been a consistent criticism of the documentary that it portrayed Tom Brady and Robert Kraft favorably and Belichick unfavorably. Belichick hasn’t commented on it. www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/stephon-gilmore-bill-belichick-is-the-greatest-coach-dont-let-the-dynasty-fool-youBut, but, but...the game has passed him by. Right Karpie? LOL!!!!!!! Bill was a great, great HC. yes, the GOAT as GM, yes, I feel the game has, or quickly is passing him by. if you are unsure, just look at the teams record he had 4 years post Brady, and we saw little to no plan to rebuild the team, we saw draft after draft not work out, and we saw free agency not work out. the staff hires were really bad, and the locker room was split, as was the coaching staff. So you cherry pick his worst his worst 4 years after he had lost his best players - Brady, Gronk, Edelman, White, Gilmore, Hightower, and McCourty - his top assistant coaches in McDaniels, Flores, Ernie Adams and Scar - and his top personnel people - Nick Caserio, Dave Ziegler, and several of his top scouts - and you blame it all on a 70 plus year old BB - and brand him a shitty GM. You take none of the above into account, and you completely disregard what he did from 2000-2019. Take a look at each of those years. No GM did it better than Bill. But, in his 70s, I do believe that doing everything was too much for him - but I don't buy that he doesn't know how. He did reach the playoffs with an overrated rookie quarterback in 2021 - only to get knee capped when the Raiders swiped McDaniels and Zeigler - and left Bill with little time to find adequate replacements. It's wrong and a shame how certain front running Patriots fans like you have turned on Belichick, and have joined the ESPN led chorus about how Bill was overrated, and that it was all Brady. The same goes triple for Massage Parlor Bob.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 13, 2024 8:59:13 GMT -5
I’ll keep this brief. To anyone bashing Bill Belichick, count the rings and then shut the f*ck up.
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Post by digger0862 on Apr 13, 2024 9:06:13 GMT -5
This draft has all of the Patriots' needs represented. Belichick would have nailed it.
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Post by salcon on Apr 13, 2024 9:29:22 GMT -5
I’ll keep this brief. To anyone bashing Bill Belichick, count the rings and then shut the f*ck up. Something the president of the BB Hate Club is incapable of doing. Diarrhea of the mouth. 24/7 365. Answers almost every post on every thread. Looking to get to 50,000 posts by next week?
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Post by jri37 on Apr 13, 2024 9:31:23 GMT -5
I’ll keep this brief. To anyone bashing Bill Belichick, count the rings and then shut the f*ck up. Something the president of the BB Hate Club is incapable of doing. Diarrhea of the mouth. 24/7 365. Answers almost every post on every thread. Looking to get to 50,000 posts by next week? The obsession is getting to creepy point. I’m starting to think BB did something to him personally if not he might want to seek help for this obsession.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 13, 2024 9:48:11 GMT -5
I considered BB to be the GOAT GM too. Was he the GOAT drafter? No. He was a little better than average, IMHO. But being GM is more than drafting. He was the master of top to bottom roster management. He was superb at cap management. That said, I do believe something was different with him of late. Do I think the game passed him by? No. The same people saying that now were saying that in our ~decade between championship runs. He simply made a string of bad personnel and coaching decisions and it cost him. Frankly, I'm thinking more and more that he surrounded himself with the wrong people. He put his faith in backstabbers and opportunists.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 13, 2024 9:56:52 GMT -5
This draft has all of the Patriots' needs represented. Belichick would have nailed it. I can't say for sure that "BB would have nailed it." But I can say that I'd feel better about the Patriots' chances of nailing it if BB was still in charge...than with the Mayo group.
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Post by johngrant on Apr 13, 2024 10:26:48 GMT -5
BB was still getting paid a fortune but he should’ve left after the 2022 season when Krafty started meddling big time. No sane coach would’ve gone into last year with Shmuck Jones as the starting QB in 2023 and expected more than a few wins.
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Post by backbay on Apr 13, 2024 10:29:05 GMT -5
Cam, Stiddy, Hoyer Unpreparedness Game passed him by Too bad Possibly the greatest coach of all time let the game pass him by? what does that mean? Where hasn't he adapted his approach? BB is the GOAT Coach; truly known for his defensive mind. I would not consider him to be particularly innovative on the offensive side of ball. Clearly, he was ahead of his time when it came to game planning - and creating/assembling a team that could compete against respective "elite" teams for the year (s) in question at that moment in time.
IMO, his game strategy for SB /53 vs. Rams was sheer defensive genius at its best.
on the other hand, the SB loss to eagles in LII (52) may have been a brain fart when he basically sat out Butler. The decision; regardless of what the rationale was - did NOT put the TEAM first, or in a position to win.
BB was able to build teams to beat the rivals for that time - like The Colts early on. And, then vs. teams like the Rams, Seattle, and Chiefs in the last 10 years of our 20 year dynasty.
Defense is still very important; even moreso if one's offense is in the middle third in NFL. Defense can't carry the team when the offense is in the bottom third in the NFL. So, the offense has been abysmal since Brady left. BB had 4 years to "rebuild". He couldn't get it done.
The Team has to both top 10 in offensive scoring AND top 10 in Points against - AT THE SAME TIME.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 13, 2024 11:46:07 GMT -5
BB was still getting paid a fortune but he should’ve left after the 2022 season when Krafty started meddling big time. No sane coach would’ve gone into last year with Shmuck Jones as the starting QB in 2023 and expected more than a few wins. To be fair to Krafty, BB invited the meddling, to whatever extent it actually occurred, by his bizarre decisions in 2022. We can't pretend 2022 wasn't pretty insane.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 13, 2024 11:49:26 GMT -5
Possibly the greatest coach of all time let the game pass him by? what does that mean? Where hasn't he adapted his approach? BB is the GOAT Coach; truly known for his defensive mind. I would not consider him to be particularly innovative on the offensive side of ball. Clearly, he was ahead of his time when it came to game planning - and creating/assembling a team that could compete against respective "elite" teams for the year (s) in question at that moment in time.
IMO, his game strategy for SB /53 vs. Rams was sheer defensive genius at its best.
on the other hand, the SB loss to eagles in LII (52) may have been a brain fart when he basically sat out Butler. The decision; regardless of what the rationale was - did NOT put the TEAM first, or in a position to win.
BB was able to build teams to beat the rivals for that time - like The Colts early on. And, then vs. teams like the Rams, Seattle, and Chiefs in the last 10 years of our 20 year dynasty.
Defense is still very important; even moreso if one's offense is in the middle third in NFL. Defense can't carry the team when the offense is in the bottom third in the NFL. So, the offense has been abysmal since Brady left. BB had 4 years to "rebuild". He couldn't get it done.
The Team has to both top 10 in offensive scoring AND top 10 in Points against - AT THE SAME TIME.
Just my 2 cents.
After 2022, it's fair to say us fans probably assumed he was far more adept on the offensive side than he actually was. They were rolling out plays early in 2022 that were comically bad. That stuff should have never gotten past him. On the offensive side I now give a lot more credit to his OC's and especially Brady. But defensively, second to none.
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Post by backbay on Apr 13, 2024 12:43:09 GMT -5
I considered BB to be the GOAT GM too. Was he the GOAT drafter? No. He was a little better than average, IMHO. But being GM is more than drafting. He was the master of top to bottom roster management. He was superb at cap management. That said, I do believe something was different with him of late. Do I think the game passed him by? No. The same people saying that now were saying that in our ~decade between championship runs. He simply made a string of bad personnel and coaching decisions and it cost him. Frankly, I'm thinking more and more that he surrounded himself with the wrong people. He put his faith in backstabbers and opportunists. He ran out of people and coaches; and partially resorted to nepotism and "old" contacts who eventually retired themselves. He tried to bring retired players into the fold; like Jerod Mayo, Troy Brown - because he "trusted" them. Notice he never brought back Eric Mangina?? The idea of using Patricia and Judge as OC/OL/QB coach. Bad move. Bad outcome.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 13, 2024 13:46:24 GMT -5
I considered BB to be the GOAT GM too. Was he the GOAT drafter? No. He was a little better than average, IMHO. But being GM is more than drafting. He was the master of top to bottom roster management. He was superb at cap management. That said, I do believe something was different with him of late. Do I think the game passed him by? No. The same people saying that now were saying that in our ~decade between championship runs. He simply made a string of bad personnel and coaching decisions and it cost him. Frankly, I'm thinking more and more that he surrounded himself with the wrong people. He put his faith in backstabbers and opportunists. He ran out of people and coaches; and partially resorted to nepotism and "old" contacts who eventually retired themselves. He tried to bring retired players into the fold; like Jerod Mayo, Troy Brown - because he "trusted" them. Notice he never brought back Eric Mangina?? The idea of using Patricia and Judge as OC/OL/QB coach. Bad move. Bad outcome. Having a philosophy of promoting from within while also having the smallest staff in the NFL was bound to catch up to him eventually. And it did. I'm sure he'd like a do-over…and it would start with not hiring Mayo as a coach lol. In all seriousness, the little oddities with the team began when Mayo arrived and grew with the promotion of Groh and arrival of Wolf. Coincidence? We shall soon see.
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Post by backbay on Apr 13, 2024 14:54:57 GMT -5
He ran out of people and coaches; and partially resorted to nepotism and "old" contacts who eventually retired themselves. He tried to bring retired players into the fold; like Jerod Mayo, Troy Brown - because he "trusted" them. Notice he never brought back Eric Mangina?? The idea of using Patricia and Judge as OC/OL/QB coach. Bad move. Bad outcome. Having a philosophy of promoting from within while also having the smallest staff in the NFL was bound to catch up to him eventually. And it did. I'm sure he'd like a do-over…and it would start with not hiring Mayo as a coach lol. In all seriousness, the little oddities with the team began when Mayo arrived and grew with the promotion of Groh and arrival of Wolf. Coincidence? We shall soon see. Yep.
I'd like to see BB get another chance to coach another NFL team. I think there is a bit of competitive fire in him - that wants another SB ring to seal his HOF ticket on the first ballot. In addition, I'm sure he wants another SB ring to "match" Brady's 7.........lol.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 13, 2024 15:39:29 GMT -5
Cam, Stiddy, Hoyer Unpreparedness Game passed him by Too bad Possibly the greatest coach of all time let the game pass him by? what does that mean? Where hasn't he adapted his approach? offense & special teams
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Apr 13, 2024 15:40:39 GMT -5
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Post by digger0862 on Apr 13, 2024 15:40:39 GMT -5
Possibly the greatest coach of all time let the game pass him by? what does that mean? Where hasn't he adapted his approach? BB is the GOAT Coach; truly known for his defensive mind. I would not consider him to be particularly innovative on the offensive side of ball. Clearly, he was ahead of his time when it came to game planning - and creating/assembling a team that could compete against respective "elite" teams for the year (s) in question at that moment in time.
IMO, his game strategy for SB /53 vs. Rams was sheer defensive genius at its best.
on the other hand, the SB loss to eagles in LII (52) may have been a brain fart when he basically sat out Butler. The decision; regardless of what the rationale was - did NOT put the TEAM first, or in a position to win.
BB was able to build teams to beat the rivals for that time - like The Colts early on. And, then vs. teams like the Rams, Seattle, and Chiefs in the last 10 years of our 20 year dynasty.
Defense is still very important; even moreso if one's offense is in the middle third in NFL. Defense can't carry the team when the offense is in the bottom third in the NFL. So, the offense has been abysmal since Brady left. BB had 4 years to "rebuild". He couldn't get it done.
The Team has to both top 10 in offensive scoring AND top 10 in Points against - AT THE SAME TIME.
Just my 2 cents.
The Patriots had the ball down 5 with 2:21 remaining in the game having never punted. They were in a great position to win.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 13, 2024 15:52:53 GMT -5
Gilmore said what everyone, including myself have said repeatedly. Bill was the greatest.
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Apr 13, 2024 18:23:26 GMT -5
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Post by backbay on Apr 13, 2024 18:23:26 GMT -5
BB is the GOAT Coach; truly known for his defensive mind. I would not consider him to be particularly innovative on the offensive side of ball. Clearly, he was ahead of his time when it came to game planning - and creating/assembling a team that could compete against respective "elite" teams for the year (s) in question at that moment in time.
IMO, his game strategy for SB /53 vs. Rams was sheer defensive genius at its best.
on the other hand, the SB loss to eagles in LII (52) may have been a brain fart when he basically sat out Butler. The decision; regardless of what the rationale was - did NOT put the TEAM first, or in a position to win.
BB was able to build teams to beat the rivals for that time - like The Colts early on. And, then vs. teams like the Rams, Seattle, and Chiefs in the last 10 years of our 20 year dynasty.
Defense is still very important; even moreso if one's offense is in the middle third in NFL. Defense can't carry the team when the offense is in the bottom third in the NFL. So, the offense has been abysmal since Brady left. BB had 4 years to "rebuild". He couldn't get it done.
The Team has to both top 10 in offensive scoring AND top 10 in Points against - AT THE SAME TIME.
Just my 2 cents.
The Patriots had the ball down 5 with 2:21 remaining in the game having never punted. They were in a great position to win. But they lost. Hindsight is obviously 20-20, but maybe pats would have won had they had Butler in the game.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 13, 2024 18:55:35 GMT -5
Possibly the greatest coach of all time let the game pass him by? what does that mean? Where hasn't he adapted his approach? offense & special teams Here comes Mr. Frontrunner again, spewing his BS. If I go year after year starting from 2000 describing what Bill did as a GM, I'd expose this nonsense about "the game passing him by", and him being a bad drafter/GM. The question is, do I want to take the time to do it just to show your ignorance? Please challenge me to do it, Karpie.
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