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Post by johngrant on Apr 13, 2024 19:47:32 GMT -5
BB was still getting paid a fortune but he should’ve left after the 2022 season when Krafty started meddling big time. No sane coach would’ve gone into last year with Shmuck Jones as the starting QB in 2023 and expected more than a few wins. To be fair to Krafty, BB invited the meddling, to whatever extent it actually occurred, by his bizarre decisions in 2022. We can't pretend 2022 wasn't pretty insane. More frustrating than insane to watch a bust QB that couldn’t do anything. Was much worse in 2023 when Krafty got Mac his guy.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 13, 2024 20:32:34 GMT -5
To be fair to Krafty, BB invited the meddling, to whatever extent it actually occurred, by his bizarre decisions in 2022. We can't pretend 2022 wasn't pretty insane. More frustrating than insane to watch a bust QB that couldn’t do anything. Was much worse in 2023 when Krafty got Mac his guy. I love how people run with unsubstantiated rumors until they accept them as fact. 2022: BB wanted OB but had to wait a year. Patricia did BB a favor by being OC for a year. Early 2023: BB finally got the OC he wanted all along. Late 2023, when things got even worse: BB never wanted OB and had him forced upon him lol Regardless of what Mac was or became, knowing what we knew about him in 2021, it was freaking insane to do what BB did going into 2022. You can be a big fan of BB and still admit he royally jumped the shark in 2022.
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Post by backto1992 on Apr 13, 2024 20:38:32 GMT -5
5 th best based on what criteria? And, no matter what your answer, the Patriots were 4-13 last year, the only stat that matters, after being 8-9 in 22. The Patriots quickly hit the toilet, and there was no obvious plan in place to course correct the personnel issues that got them there…… Bill Belichick the GM had to go, unfortunately he took BB the coach with him….. 5th best in points allowed per drive, 3rd best in yards allowed per drive, 6th best on third down percentage. Top five. So if the game passed him by, it was very selective. His defense was among the best in the league despite dragging the 32nd worst offense around behind them and his players outside of Mac Jones loved playing for him. Mac sucked and BB wanted to get rid of him, of course Mac didn’t like him. 15 th in pts allowed trumps all your other cherry picked stats…….And BB drafted Mac Jones, as he ruled ABSOLUTELY over football ops and he had final and truly only say on personnel matters. So if Mac Jones sucked, BB the GM HAS to be accountable for that decision, plain and simple. The Patriots started spiraling to the bottom the day Tom Brady left, there were others who left in that time frame (Gronk, Edelman) whose loss exacerbated the situation. But, ultimately, many years of bad drafting beginning in 2014 caught up with the Patriot. The last 10 BB led drafts have produce 3 good players who are still in the league , Thuney, who plays for KC now, Barmore, and Dugger. The jury is out on Christian Gonzalez That’s it, and that’s why the Patriots crashed and burned when Brady/Gronk/Edelman left. This is poor front office work, plain and simple. And BB WAS the front office Try splitting hairs on that Wozzy………
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Post by johngrant on Apr 13, 2024 23:01:08 GMT -5
More frustrating than insane to watch a bust QB that couldn’t do anything. Was much worse in 2023 when Krafty got Mac his guy. I love how people run with unsubstantiated rumors until they accept them as fact. 2022: BB wanted OB but had to wait a year. Patricia did BB a favor by being OC for a year. Early 2023: BB finally got the OC he wanted all along. Late 2023, when things got even worse: BB never wanted OB and had him forced upon him lol Regardless of what Mac was or became, knowing what we knew about him in 2021, it was freaking insane to do what BB did going into 2022. You can be a big fan of BB and still admit he royally jumped the shark in 2022. Lombardi said many times Krafty got BOB for Mac because that’s who Mac wanted. BOB had been out of the league for a while and others would have been a better(not that it mattered since Mac is crap) Mac went from one of the best situations for a QB in 2021 to probably below average in 2022 but a good QB would’ve been fine that year. Ended up being much worse in 2023 when BOB was supposed to make everything better. I remember the dupe beat writers saying during training camp and early in the season how “things just looked like they were supposed to”
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 14, 2024 7:26:29 GMT -5
15 th in pts allowed trumps all your other cherry picked stats…….And BB drafted Mac Jones, as he ruled ABSOLUTELY over football ops and he had final and truly only say on personnel matters. So if Mac Jones sucked, BB the GM HAS to be accountable for that decision, plain and simple. The Patriots started spiraling to the bottom the day Tom Brady left, there were others who left in that time frame (Gronk, Edelman) whose loss exacerbated the situation. But, ultimately, many years of bad drafting beginning in 2014 caught up with the Patriot. The last 10 BB led drafts have produce 3 good players who are still in the league , Thuney, who plays for KC now, Barmore, and Dugger. The jury is out on Christian Gonzalez That’s it, and that’s why the Patriots crashed and burned when Brady/Gronk/Edelman left. This is poor front office work, plain and simple. And BB WAS the front office Try splitting hairs on that Wozzy……… You don’t understand the stats, that doesn’t make them “cherry picked.”15th is what the Patriots team gave up in total points, that includes Mac nearly leading the league in pick sixes, fumble scoop and scores, safeties, it also includes punts and kickoffs returned for TD’s, or blocked field goals and punts returned for scores. We are talking strictly about the defense and points they allowed. The Pats D was 5th best in points allowed per drive, 3rd best in yards allowed per drive, 6th best on third down percentage. Top five. So if the game passed BB by, it was very selective. His defense was among the best in the league despite dragging the 32nd worst offense around behind them.
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Post by digger0862 on Apr 14, 2024 7:46:37 GMT -5
5th best in points allowed per drive, 3rd best in yards allowed per drive, 6th best on third down percentage. Top five. So if the game passed him by, it was very selective. His defense was among the best in the league despite dragging the 32nd worst offense around behind them and his players outside of Mac Jones loved playing for him. Mac sucked and BB wanted to get rid of him, of course Mac didn’t like him. 15 th in pts allowed trumps all your other cherry picked stats…….And BB drafted Mac Jones, as he ruled ABSOLUTELY over football ops and he had final and truly only say on personnel matters. So if Mac Jones sucked, BB the GM HAS to be accountable for that decision, plain and simple. The Patriots started spiraling to the bottom the day Tom Brady left, there were others who left in that time frame (Gronk, Edelman) whose loss exacerbated the situation. But, ultimately, many years of bad drafting beginning in 2014 caught up with the Patriot. The last 10 BB led drafts have produce 3 good players who are still in the league , Thuney, who plays for KC now, Barmore, and Dugger. The jury is out on Christian Gonzalez That’s it, and that’s why the Patriots crashed and burned when Brady/Gronk/Edelman left. This is poor front office work, plain and simple. And BB WAS the front office Try splitting hairs on that Wozzy……… Compare with the last 10 Buffalo Bills drafts. They are very similar with the exception of the QB.
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Post by belestrator on Apr 14, 2024 7:56:52 GMT -5
5th best in points allowed per drive, 3rd best in yards allowed per drive, 6th best on third down percentage. Top five. So if the game passed him by, it was very selective. His defense was among the best in the league despite dragging the 32nd worst offense around behind them and his players outside of Mac Jones loved playing for him. Mac sucked and BB wanted to get rid of him, of course Mac didn’t like him. 15 th in pts allowed trumps all your other cherry picked stats…….And BB drafted Mac Jones, as he ruled ABSOLUTELY over football ops and he had final and truly only say on personnel matters. So if Mac Jones sucked, BB the GM HAS to be accountable for that decision, plain and simple. The Patriots started spiraling to the bottom the day Tom Brady left, there were others who left in that time frame (Gronk, Edelman) whose loss exacerbated the situation. But, ultimately, many years of bad drafting beginning in 2014 caught up with the Patriot. The last 10 BB led drafts have produce 3 good players who are still in the league , Thuney, who plays for KC now, Barmore, and Dugger. The jury is out on Christian Gonzalez That’s it, and that’s why the Patriots crashed and burned when Brady/Gronk/Edelman left. This is poor front office work, plain and simple. And BB WAS the front office Try splitting hairs on that Wozzy……… Onwenu, Rhamondre and Pop may disagree regarding good players drafted.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 14, 2024 10:50:27 GMT -5
More frustrating than insane to watch a bust QB that couldn’t do anything. Was much worse in 2023 when Krafty got Mac his guy. I love how people run with unsubstantiated rumors until they accept them as fact. 2022: BB wanted OB but had to wait a year. Patricia did BB a favor by being OC for a year. Early 2023: BB finally got the OC he wanted all along. Late 2023, when things got even worse: BB never wanted OB and had him forced upon him lol Regardless of what Mac was or became, knowing what we knew about him in 2021, it was freaking insane to do what BB did going into 2022. You can be a big fan of BB and still admit he royally jumped the shark in 2022. Stop with the reasonable takes, I can't take it!!!!
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 14, 2024 13:40:58 GMT -5
I love how people run with unsubstantiated rumors until they accept them as fact. 2022: BB wanted OB but had to wait a year. Patricia did BB a favor by being OC for a year. Early 2023: BB finally got the OC he wanted all along. Late 2023, when things got even worse: BB never wanted OB and had him forced upon him lol Regardless of what Mac was or became, knowing what we knew about him in 2021, it was freaking insane to do what BB did going into 2022. You can be a big fan of BB and still admit he royally jumped the shark in 2022. Lombardi said many times Krafty got BOB for Mac because that’s who Mac wanted. BOB had been out of the league for a while and others would have been a better(not that it mattered since Mac is crap) Mac went from one of the best situations for a QB in 2021 to probably below average in 2022 but a good QB would’ve been fine that year. Ended up being much worse in 2023 when BOB was supposed to make everything better. I remember the dupe beat writers saying during training camp and early in the season how “things just looked like they were supposed to” Do you accept everything Lombardi says as being 100% accurate? If so, why? If not, why this? I'd argue Lombardi probably was merely speculating based on a bit of common sense. 1. I have no doubt Kraft insisted on BB bringing in a real OC. Who else was BB going to bring in? We all know he likes "his guys" and there aren't many of "his guys" left. 2. Mac did not overlap with OB at Bama but it is somewhat logical that Mac might want someone from the same program. In a nutshell, it just made perfect sense to bring in OB. No grand Kraft conspiracy theory needed. It made perfect sense for both BB and Mac. If reports were actually true that BB wanted to keep Patricia/Judge (I don't think they were true) then he should have been fired right then. The poor performance of 2023 doesn't excuse the amateurish crap we saw in 2022. And frankly, had we picked better free agents for the OL and not had some really bad luck with health, our 2023 offense would have looked a lot better, even with our jag backup QBs. Of course, we wouldn't be in a position to pick #3 so I'm fine with what happened.
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Post by johngrant on Apr 14, 2024 15:07:34 GMT -5
Lombardi said many times Krafty got BOB for Mac because that’s who Mac wanted. BOB had been out of the league for a while and others would have been a better(not that it mattered since Mac is crap) Mac went from one of the best situations for a QB in 2021 to probably below average in 2022 but a good QB would’ve been fine that year. Ended up being much worse in 2023 when BOB was supposed to make everything better. I remember the dupe beat writers saying during training camp and early in the season how “things just looked like they were supposed to” Do you accept everything Lombardi says as being 100% accurate? If so, why? If not, why this? I'd argue Lombardi probably was merely speculating based on a bit of common sense. 1. I have no doubt Kraft insisted on BB bringing in a real OC. Who else was BB going to bring in? We all know he likes "his guys" and there aren't many of "his guys" left. 2. Mac did not overlap with OB at Bama but it is somewhat logical that Mac might want someone from the same program. In a nutshell, it just made perfect sense to bring in OB. No grand Kraft conspiracy theory needed. It made perfect sense for both BB and Mac. If reports were actually true that BB wanted to keep Patricia/Judge (I don't think they were true) then he should have been fired right then. The poor performance of 2023 doesn't excuse the amateurish crap we saw in 2022. And frankly, had we picked better free agents for the OL and not had some really bad luck with health, our 2023 offense would have looked a lot better, even with our jag backup QBs. Of course, we wouldn't be in a position to pick #3 so I'm fine with what happened. It was Krafts move to bring in someone who had been out of the league for years, not BBs. BB probably would’ve tried to convince Kingsburry to come over. I don’t doubt at all that he wanted to trade worthless turd Mac. We had all seen enough
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Post by backto1992 on Apr 14, 2024 15:07:38 GMT -5
15 th in pts allowed trumps all your other cherry picked stats…….And BB drafted Mac Jones, as he ruled ABSOLUTELY over football ops and he had final and truly only say on personnel matters. So if Mac Jones sucked, BB the GM HAS to be accountable for that decision, plain and simple. The Patriots started spiraling to the bottom the day Tom Brady left, there were others who left in that time frame (Gronk, Edelman) whose loss exacerbated the situation. But, ultimately, many years of bad drafting beginning in 2014 caught up with the Patriot. The last 10 BB led drafts have produce 3 good players who are still in the league , Thuney, who plays for KC now, Barmore, and Dugger. The jury is out on Christian Gonzalez That’s it, and that’s why the Patriots crashed and burned when Brady/Gronk/Edelman left. This is poor front office work, plain and simple. And BB WAS the front office Try splitting hairs on that Wozzy……… Onwenu, Rhamondre and Pop may disagree regarding good players drafted. Onwenu is NFL avg, Stevenson had 1 good season in 22, and Douglas had a good season last year…….you think any of these guys are in the league of Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Gronk, McCourty, Edelman, Asante Samuel, Ben Watson, Mankins, Ghostkowski, Mayo, Slater, Vollmer, Chandler Jones, Hightower Lots of good picks back in the day, not so much the last 10 years…….
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 14, 2024 15:35:39 GMT -5
Do you accept everything Lombardi says as being 100% accurate? If so, why? If not, why this? I'd argue Lombardi probably was merely speculating based on a bit of common sense. 1. I have no doubt Kraft insisted on BB bringing in a real OC. Who else was BB going to bring in? We all know he likes "his guys" and there aren't many of "his guys" left. 2. Mac did not overlap with OB at Bama but it is somewhat logical that Mac might want someone from the same program. In a nutshell, it just made perfect sense to bring in OB. No grand Kraft conspiracy theory needed. It made perfect sense for both BB and Mac. If reports were actually true that BB wanted to keep Patricia/Judge (I don't think they were true) then he should have been fired right then. The poor performance of 2023 doesn't excuse the amateurish crap we saw in 2022. And frankly, had we picked better free agents for the OL and not had some really bad luck with health, our 2023 offense would have looked a lot better, even with our jag backup QBs. Of course, we wouldn't be in a position to pick #3 so I'm fine with what happened. It was Krafts move to bring in someone who had been out of the league for years, not BBs. BB probably would’ve tried to convince Kingsburry to come over. I don’t doubt at all that he wanted to trade worthless turd Mac. We had all seen enough I know nothing will convince you. I find it highly improbable that Klingsbury would have been BB's target. I find it very probable that OB was BB's target. BB wanted his own guys. We all know that. He wasn't about to hire an OC who would come in and install his own system. We all know that too. There is some serious revisionist history going on here.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 14, 2024 15:39:41 GMT -5
Onwenu, Rhamondre and Pop may disagree regarding good players drafted. Onwenu is NFL avg, Stevenson had 1 good season in 22, and Douglas had a good season last year…….you think any of these guys are in the league of Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Gronk, McCourty, Edelman, Asante Samuel, Ben Watson, Mankins, Ghostkowski, Mayo, Slater, Vollmer, Chandler Jones, Hightower Lots of good picks back in the day, not so much the last 10 years……. I get the feeling you are treating good and great as being synonymous with each other. Onwenu is a damned fine player. The jury is out on the other two. Regardless of whether or not Onwenu is good or great, he was a damned fine draft pick. I'd absolutely add him to the list of good players drafted. If we are talking great players then that is another matter.
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Post by backto1992 on Apr 14, 2024 15:40:17 GMT -5
15 th in pts allowed trumps all your other cherry picked stats…….And BB drafted Mac Jones, as he ruled ABSOLUTELY over football ops and he had final and truly only say on personnel matters. So if Mac Jones sucked, BB the GM HAS to be accountable for that decision, plain and simple. The Patriots started spiraling to the bottom the day Tom Brady left, there were others who left in that time frame (Gronk, Edelman) whose loss exacerbated the situation. But, ultimately, many years of bad drafting beginning in 2014 caught up with the Patriot. The last 10 BB led drafts have produce 3 good players who are still in the league , Thuney, who plays for KC now, Barmore, and Dugger. The jury is out on Christian Gonzalez That’s it, and that’s why the Patriots crashed and burned when Brady/Gronk/Edelman left. This is poor front office work, plain and simple. And BB WAS the front office Try splitting hairs on that Wozzy……… You don’t understand the stats, that doesn’t make them “cherry picked.”15th is what the Patriots team gave up in total points, that includes Mac nearly leading the league in pick sixes, fumble scoop and scores, safeties, it also includes punts and kickoffs returned for TD’s, or blocked field goals and punts returned for scores. We are talking strictly about the defense and points they allowed. The Pats D was 5th best in points allowed per drive, 3rd best in yards allowed per drive, 6th best on third down percentage. Top five. So if the game passed BB by, it was very selective. His defense was among the best in the league despite dragging the 32nd worst offense around behind them. I understand the stats just fine, but I am an ‘outcome’ stats guy, so the stats that matter are 15 th in pts allowed, tied for 31 in pts scored (dead F**king last in the league) and most importantly a 4-13 record You can get as granular with the stats as you want Wozzy, but 4-13, while being last in the league in scoring speak for themselves Footnote - how can BB the coach be a genius for all these next level stats of yours on D, but 100% not responsible for the putrid offense stats, including any next level stats on offense you conveniently haven’t mentioned?
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Post by backto1992 on Apr 14, 2024 15:45:41 GMT -5
Onwenu is NFL avg, Stevenson had 1 good season in 22, and Douglas had a good season last year…….you think any of these guys are in the league of Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Gronk, McCourty, Edelman, Asante Samuel, Ben Watson, Mankins, Ghostkowski, Mayo, Slater, Vollmer, Chandler Jones, Hightower Lots of good picks back in the day, not so much the last 10 years……. I get the feeling you are treating good and great as being synonymous with each other. Onwenu is a damned fine player. The jury is out on the other two. Regardless of whether or not Onwenu is good or great, he was a damned fine draft pick. I'd absolutely add him to the list of good players drafted. If we are talking great players then that is another matter. You are correct, but in my defense if I had said no great players in the last 10 years, I would have gotten 20 responses about being a BB hater But…..there have been no players of the caliber I listed as drafted from 99 - 2012 drafted since then, some good, but not one indisputably great……hence the fast crash to the bottom of the league…..
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Post by johngrant on Apr 14, 2024 16:39:26 GMT -5
It was Krafts move to bring in someone who had been out of the league for years, not BBs. BB probably would’ve tried to convince Kingsburry to come over. I don’t doubt at all that he wanted to trade worthless turd Mac. We had all seen enough I know nothing will convince you. I find it highly improbable that Klingsbury would have been BB's target. I find it very probable that OB was BB's target. BB wanted his own guys. We all know that. He wasn't about to hire an OC who would come in and install his own system. We all know that too. There is some serious revisionist history going on here. Lombardi has stated numerous times that BOB was Kraftys choice because that’s what Mac wanted. Lombo talks to BB frequently, I’ll take his word over anyone else’s on that subject . Also BB tried to run some form of Shannys offense in 2022, why wouldn’t he go elsewhere? McD took most of the good offensive coaches with him to Vegas.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 14, 2024 16:53:15 GMT -5
I understand the stats just fine, but I am an ‘outcome’ stats guy, so the stats that matter are 15 th in pts allowed, tied for 31 in pts scored (dead F**king last in the league) and most importantly a 4-13 record You can get as granular with the stats as you want Wozzy, but 4-13, while being last in the league in scoring speak for themselves Footnote - how can BB the coach be a genius for all these next level stats of yours on D, but 100% not responsible for the putrid offense stats, including any next level stats on offense you conveniently haven’t mentioned? Here's your outcome stats for 2023: The Patriots offense was 32nd worst in points per drive, 31st worst in yards per drive, 32nd worst in scoring percentage, 27th worst in turnovers, 30th worst in third down percentage, 32nd worst on fourth down percentage... for reference there are only 32 teams. They were actually pretty decent in the red zone, 11th best, the problem was they were only in the red zone for a league worst 32nd ranked number of attempts. The team was bad because the offense was putrid, league worst, dead last... as for why we've discussed this already on this forum. Mac sucked, Kraft and the collaboration station forced him and a bunch of new coaches down BB's throat. Whether he and Patrica would have fixed it on their own is undetermined, but Matt wasn't a particularly good defensive coordinator at first then got much better. They also would have made a QB change a lot earlier, or would never have drafted Mac Jones in the first place if we go back as far as 2021. So if the game passed BB by, and young players changed... that only meant offensively, which seems like a silly take.
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Post by backto1992 on Apr 15, 2024 4:19:59 GMT -5
I understand the stats just fine, but I am an ‘outcome’ stats guy, so the stats that matter are 15 th in pts allowed, tied for 31 in pts scored (dead F**king last in the league) and most importantly a 4-13 record You can get as granular with the stats as you want Wozzy, but 4-13, while being last in the league in scoring speak for themselves Footnote - how can BB the coach be a genius for all these next level stats of yours on D, but 100% not responsible for the putrid offense stats, including any next level stats on offense you conveniently haven’t mentioned? Here's your outcome stats for 2023: The Patriots offense was 32nd worst in points per drive, 31st worst in yards per drive, 32nd worst in scoring percentage, 27th worst in turnovers, 30th worst in third down percentage, 32nd worst on fourth down percentage... for reference there are only 32 teams. They were actually pretty decent in the red zone, 11th best, the problem was they were only in the red zone for a league worst 32nd ranked number of attempts. The team was bad because the offense was putrid, league worst, dead last... as for why we've discussed this already on this forum. Mac sucked, Kraft and the collaboration station forced him and a bunch of new coaches down BB's throat. Whether he and Patrica would have fixed it on their own is undetermined, but Matt wasn't a particularly good defensive coordinator at first then got much better. They also would have made a QB change a lot earlier, or would never have drafted Mac Jones in the first place if we go back as far as 2021. So if the game passed BB by, and young players changed... that only meant offensively, which seems like a silly take. Of course Wozzy, when things went great, ALL credit to Bill Belichick, when things went bad blame a meddling owner, and his hand chosen QB who we are supposed to believe Belichick never wanted Sure, the meddling owner who let Bill Belichick drum Tom Brady out of town (oh, I know Wozzy, that wasn’t Belichick, Brady wanted to leave), then made Belichick take Jones, who played for 2 of his most trusted confidants, Saban and O’Brien Bill Belichick is the undisputed GOAT coaching……defense that is…….as to coaching offense or personnel management, I think there are questions…… Lastly, I truly wish Belichick had left Jones on the bench where he put him on October 24, 2022 against the Bears. Belichick ended Jones career as a QB in New England that night, you only had to listen to the crowd to know. What excuse would you have then Wozzy? The Patriots were a 4-13 team with a dead last offense in 23, and would have been with Zappe playing all 17 games I have to laugh, Zappe had won 2 games in a row before the Bears game, and Zappe quickly led 2 TD score when he came in. Forget that the Patriots got blown of the field in the second half, Zappy was the hot hand. Are you going to try to say Kraft would have had a problem with Zappe staying in for a few more games? Maybe even giving Jones the Foxboro flu for the rest of the season? Kraft let Belichick leave Bledsoe on the bench for Brady as the hot hand. After Kraft handed Bledsoe a rich contact. Kraft didn’t meddle then, in fact, he went on to give Belichick ALL the power. But now we are supposed to believe Kraft overruled Belichick and ‘ordered’ him to play Mac Jones, because if that ISN’T true, it sullies your idols(Belichick’s) reputation as a football genius……. They don’t call it fans (short for fanatic) for nothing. Like most zealots, Wozzy, you believe your God can do no wrong……I hope for your sake Belichick coaches somewhere again and proves me all wrong, I would hate for your to die disillusioned……..
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 15, 2024 7:00:23 GMT -5
Of course Wozzy, when things went great, ALL credit to Bill Belichick, when things went bad blame a meddling owner, and his hand chosen QB who we are supposed to believe Belichick never wanted Sure, the meddling owner who let Bill Belichick drum Tom Brady out of town (oh, I know Wozzy, that wasn’t Belichick, Brady wanted to leave), then made Belichick take Jones, who played for 2 of his most trusted confidants, Saban and O’Brien Bill Belichick is the undisputed GOAT coaching……defense that is…….as to coaching offense or personnel management, I think there are questions…… Lastly, I truly wish Belichick had left Jones on the bench where he put him on October 24, 2022 against the Bears. Belichick ended Jones career as a QB in New England that night, you only had to listen to the crowd to know. What excuse would you have then Wozzy? The Patriots were a 4-13 team with a dead last offense in 23, and would have been with Zappe playing all 17 games I have to laugh, Zappe had won 2 games in a row before the Bears game, and Zappe quickly led 2 TD score when he came in. Forget that the Patriots got blown of the field in the second half, Zappy was the hot hand. Are you going to try to say Kraft would have had a problem with Zappe staying in for a few more games? Maybe even giving Jones the Foxboro flu for the rest of the season? Kraft let Belichick leave Bledsoe on the bench for Brady as the hot hand. After Kraft handed Bledsoe a rich contact. Kraft didn’t meddle then, in fact, he went on to give Belichick ALL the power. But now we are supposed to believe Kraft overruled Belichick and ‘ordered’ him to play Mac Jones, because if that ISN’T true, it sullies your idols(Belichick’s) reputation as a football genius……. They don’t call it fans (short for fanatic) for nothing. Like most zealots, Wozzy, you believe your God can do no wrong……I hope for your sake Belichick coaches somewhere again and proves me all wrong, I would hate for your to die disillusioned…….. A “meddling owner” never was a thing until 2021, prior to that Kraft was the guy who wouldn’t meddle because it screwed up his relationship with Parcells and he had learned his lesson. So this was either a lesson he forgot, a lesson that Jonathan had to learn on his own or Bob simply clenched up and felt desperate as age was catching up with him. Both Kraft and BB said they offered Brady a contract in 2020, he was a free agent, he chose to leave. But this insistence that Brady was treated poorly by BB, even though there’s an interview with him now where when asked what BB meant to his career the guy starts tearing up… sure, he hates BB, BB hates Brady… sounds legit. Brady left… seems like circumstances like his wife wanting to live in Florida instead of New England, or Tampa’s ability to pay him 30 million per and pair him with the best passing weapons in the NFL, to join a team that led the league in passing two years in a row… all that pales in relation to Tom’s feelings… laughable. Like I’ve said a million times, feeling don’t mean dick in relation to millions of dollars and the 2020 Patriots were broke and needed a rebuild… but you think Tom left because his feelings were hurt. 😂 Kraft announced in 2021 things were changing and becoming more of a “collaboration,” Elliot Wolf was hired, Mayo was given a big extension and there was a big announcement. This was all unprecedented to what came two decades before. Mac was drafted, Mac sucked. If BB had his way according to reporters now Mac would have never been here at all, or benched years ago. If Zappe sucked, he would have been benched. If Davis Mills was the QB, who know where he would be. He seems like a similar player to Brissett. Seems like reporters only can be believed when they’re saying Bill sucked at his job according to you and Rkarp, but when they say things like he never wanted Mac it’s fake news. Again… laughable. I’m not a BB fan, I’m not a Brady fan, I’m not a Kraft fan… I root for the laundry. I just search for the truth based on all the evidence to the best of my ability. This gets me into arguments with every poster here at one point or another. I’ll never win the popularity poll, but nobody will ever be able to say my motivation was anything but the truth. And if they do, they’ll be projecting, which as a Brady fanboy you are now. You started this debate by suggesting the defense wasn’t good last season, you were wrong then and continue being wrong.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 15, 2024 8:02:07 GMT -5
"Mac sucked" is lazy imo. I had Mac as a 2nd round draft pick, but given the QB situation these days and the draft, I feel he was drafted in the proper range. Regardless of where Mac was drafted or this upcoming draft, the team needs to evaluate the QB class correctly, then coach/develop that person properly, and support him properly with complimentary players. If you miss on any of those 3 points, that's not bad luck, it's doing a bad job.
Pats evaluated Mac properly. they coached him properly year 1. then they stopped. they never properly surrounded him. that needs to improve 100 fold with this upcoming draft
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Apr 15, 2024 8:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 15, 2024 8:27:47 GMT -5
"Mac sucked" is lazy imo. I had Mac as a 2nd round draft pick, but given the QB situation these days and the draft, I feel he was drafted in the proper range. Regardless of where Mac was drafted or this upcoming draft, the team needs to evaluate the QB class correctly, then coach/develop that person properly, and support him properly with complimentary players. If you miss on any of those 3 points, that's not bad luck, it's doing a bad job. Pats evaluated Mac properly. they coached him properly year 1. then they stopped. they never properly surrounded him. that needs to improve 100 fold with this upcoming draft Mac sucked after the bye week of his rookie season and was never good after that. You evaluate Mac poorly.
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Apr 15, 2024 8:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by rkarp on Apr 15, 2024 8:35:37 GMT -5
"Mac sucked" is lazy imo. I had Mac as a 2nd round draft pick, but given the QB situation these days and the draft, I feel he was drafted in the proper range. Regardless of where Mac was drafted or this upcoming draft, the team needs to evaluate the QB class correctly, then coach/develop that person properly, and support him properly with complimentary players. If you miss on any of those 3 points, that's not bad luck, it's doing a bad job. Pats evaluated Mac properly. they coached him properly year 1. then they stopped. they never properly surrounded him. that needs to improve 100 fold with this upcoming draft Mac sucked after the bye week of his rookie season and was never good after that. You evaluate Mac poorly. Like I said, a lazy take but no surprise there
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 15, 2024 8:52:24 GMT -5
Mac Jones did so well during his rookie year training camp with the #Patriots, Brian Hoyer felt like the staff was telling him what to do beforehand. “[2021]… at least to me felt similar to what it was. Obviously without Tom [Brady]… and then Mac comes in and I remember thinking like, ‘God, they have to be telling the guy like where— what to do out here at practice.’ … He was learning so quickly… I’ve never seen a rookie pick up a system like this and it became pretty apparent that he was gonna be the starter.” I will always be a firm believe in the fact that Josh McDaniels gave Mac Jones the best opportunity to be a starting-caliber quarterback in the league
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 15, 2024 8:53:49 GMT -5
Like I said, a lazy take but no surprise there Mac sucked his rookie year after the bye week when teams accumulated tape on him, when you suggest all the elements around him were perfect… but you’re being willfully ignorant. BB ruined Mac, of course, he couldn’t just suck. I suppose he ruined Zappe as well? What about Ryan Mallett years ago, did he ruin him as well? Probably, according to you BB is responsible for the hole in the ozone, out of control inflation and bed bugs. No surprise there.
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