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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 14:05:21 GMT -5
Kyle Dugger signed a four year, $58 million contract with the Patriots on April 9, 2024. Dugger received $32.5 million in guarantees of which $29.75 million is fully guaranteed at signing. Dugger received an $18 million signing bonus. There are annual per game bonuses in the contract and workout bonuses from 2025 to 2027. zero guaranteed money years 3 and 4 gets $30m upfront
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Post by thejuice on Apr 11, 2024 16:23:02 GMT -5
why didnt you let tpat break this news to us, sometime in july 2026?
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 16:25:15 GMT -5
why didnt you let tpat break this news to us, sometime in july 2026? honestly, Pats tied to Dugger for 2 years and he either plays like a stud or they walk and eat some cap space. I hope he is up to the task. he was looking like a stud in 2022 and I thought he took a step back last season.
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Apr 11, 2024 16:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by salcon on Apr 11, 2024 16:26:02 GMT -5
Overpaid!
BB does it again. Oh, wait...
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Post by thejuice on Apr 11, 2024 16:30:51 GMT -5
why didnt you let tpat break this news to us, sometime in july 2026? honestly, Pats tied to Dugger for 2 years and he either plays like a stud or they walk and eat some cap space. I hope he is up to the task. he was looking like a stud in 2022 and I thought he took a step back last season. agreed on the slight step back last season. the aav, imo, is pretty much right in line with where he should be paid... maybe slightly over right now... but that aav in even one year from now is going to be considered a good deal, and in a couple years, a really good deal as long as he continues to be at worst the same player, but hopefully improves each season. think this contract was as much, if not more, for the fact that hes a good player, hes home grown and probably most importantly, hes considered one of the leaders on that side of the ball and probably in the locker room at this point also.
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Apr 11, 2024 16:34:18 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 16:34:18 GMT -5
honestly, Pats tied to Dugger for 2 years and he either plays like a stud or they walk and eat some cap space. I hope he is up to the task. he was looking like a stud in 2022 and I thought he took a step back last season. agreed on the slight step back last season. the aav, imo, is pretty much right in line with where he should be paid... maybe slightly over right now... but that aav in even one year from now is going to be considered a good deal, and in a couple years, a really good deal as long as he continues to be at worst the same player, but hopefully improves each season. think this contract was as much, if not more, for the fact that hes a good player, hes home grown and probably most importantly, hes considered one of the leaders on that side of the ball and probably in the locker room at this point also. yeah I have no problem with the aav I also think the 2 years is a good deal for the team. they can eat what, $9m in cap space and save $23m ish in cash?
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Post by zenape on Apr 11, 2024 16:59:48 GMT -5
Considering the shit show that was last year, I can't fault anyone for having a bit of regression, if only for a "why am I putting my health and life on the line for this team that is going absolutely nowhere" reality. Dugger deserved to get paid. When he's playing balls out, you'd be hard pressed to find a harder working more zeroed in player in a Pats uni. He's also a tone setter, and we only have a small handful of people that are capable of doing such a thing here anymore. Best to keep them, make them happy, and keep them setting that tone.
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Apr 11, 2024 17:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by wazzu on Apr 11, 2024 17:04:22 GMT -5
Bargain.
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Post by salcon on Apr 11, 2024 17:10:22 GMT -5
Another Bill pick. You'd think they'd want to flush all the previous GM's picks since he was so bad at drafting.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 17:11:57 GMT -5
Another Bill pick. You'd think they'd want to flush all the previous GM's picks since he was so bad at drafting. he was really good at drafting when Brady was here wait. what?
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Post by ATJ on Apr 11, 2024 17:58:57 GMT -5
Glad they retained Dugger. Seems he's being appropriately compensated.
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Post by fisher on Apr 11, 2024 18:27:41 GMT -5
Overpaid! BB does it again. Oh, wait... BB would have let him walk…or really low balled him like he has done before .. now team is treating players properly.
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Apr 12, 2024 9:07:22 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 12, 2024 9:07:22 GMT -5
Overpaid! BB does it again. Oh, wait... BB would have let him walk…or really low balled him like he has done before .. now team is treating players properly. have to wonder would Bill have gone that high for Dugger or Onwenu? certainly both were not market setting, but both on the higher echelon of their positions. sends a message to the locker room. Pats lost both Meyers and Karras for a reportedly $1m-ish each.
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 12, 2024 9:08:21 GMT -5
Overpaid! BB does it again. Oh, wait... In Bill We Blame!!!
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 12, 2024 9:59:50 GMT -5
BB would have let him walk…or really low balled him like he has done before .. now team is treating players properly. McCourty was one of the highest paid free safeties for about a decade. Great players got paid, they just didn’t get overpaid. The haters also said BB made a mistake not making JC Jackson one of the highest paid CB’s in the NFL, others said he made a mistake paying Stefon Gilmore instead of Malcolm Butler because Stef had a bad PFF grade. Overpaying is dumb, it leads you to let great players walk further down the road… the cap exists, it’s not crap.
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Apr 12, 2024 10:21:55 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 12, 2024 10:21:55 GMT -5
BB would have let him walk…or really low balled him like he has done before .. now team is treating players properly. McCourty was one of the highest paid free safeties for about a decade. Great players got paid, they just didn’t get overpaid. The haters also said BB made a mistake not making JC Jackson one of the highest paid CB’s in the NFL, others said he made a mistake paying Stefon Gilmore instead of Malcolm Butler because Stef had a bad PFF grade. Overpaying is dumb, it leads you to let great players walk further down the road… the cap exists, it’s not crap. DMC was/is a border line HOF player. Dugger is not anywhere close to that level of player. Dugger based on APY is currently the 6th highest paid S in the league, which of course will change season over season. in comparison, Drwin James is highest at $19m per. If DUgger plays like he did 2 seasons ago, I have no issue with his deal. the question is would Bill have paid him. the question was not what did DMC get paid. I have never advocated for paying JC Jackson top of league CB money. I did post, often, theteam should have been more aggressive in signing him before he reached free agency. he had played to an AP2 level and a Pro Bowl level the 2 prior seasons. I never did not like the Gilmore signing. I would have preferred the team kept Mal too. the cap goes up every year. it is crap
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 12, 2024 10:56:59 GMT -5
DMC was/is a border line HOF player. Dugger is not anywhere close to that level of player. Dugger based on APY is currently the 6th highest paid S in the league, which of course will change season over season. in comparison, Drwin James is highest at $19m per. If DUgger plays like he did 2 seasons ago, I have no issue with his deal. the question is would Bill have paid him. the question was not what did DMC get paid. I have never advocated for paying JC Jackson top of league CB money. I did post, often, theteam should have been more aggressive in signing him before he reached free agency. he had played to an AP2 level and a Pro Bowl level the 2 prior seasons. I never did not like the Gilmore signing. I would have preferred the team kept Mal too. the cap goes up every year. it is crap Dugger led this team in solo tackles 2 out of the last 3 years and the only reason it wasn’t three was he missed a couple games with injury. Silly Rkrap… You said BB made a mistake not matching JC Jackson’s top of the market deal… I told you that was a silly take when you said it because it was a massive overpay… now you’re dancing. Butler peaked in 2016, not paying him was smart. The Dolphins don’t think the cap is crap despite the single largest cap increase in history. Rkrap math…
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Apr 12, 2024 11:01:09 GMT -5
Post by ucmiami on Apr 12, 2024 11:01:09 GMT -5
So the real cash cost - salary, bonuses, and total signing bonus - for two years is $32M or $16M/season. There are reportedly extra incentives of about $1M per year.
I think that is actually above market for the player Dugger was in 2023. Safety is one of the positions that really hasn't exploded in an exploding cap era - every year there seem to be a lot of experienced and well regarded safeties hitting FA and not generating bidding wars.
The actual Cap hit for two years is reasonable at $23M or $11.5M/year with a dead cap if he is cut/traded of $9M at that point. I would feel better if you reversed his play in 2022/2023 - he would be still rising rather than regressing. (Similar to how I feel about Uche.)
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Apr 12, 2024 11:03:54 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 12, 2024 11:03:54 GMT -5
DMC was/is a border line HOF player. Dugger is not anywhere close to that level of player. Dugger based on APY is currently the 6th highest paid S in the league, which of course will change season over season. in comparison, Drwin James is highest at $19m per. If DUgger plays like he did 2 seasons ago, I have no issue with his deal. the question is would Bill have paid him. the question was not what did DMC get paid. I have never advocated for paying JC Jackson top of league CB money. I did post, often, theteam should have been more aggressive in signing him before he reached free agency. he had played to an AP2 level and a Pro Bowl level the 2 prior seasons. I never did not like the Gilmore signing. I would have preferred the team kept Mal too. the cap goes up every year. it is crap Dugger led this team in solo tackles 2 out of the last 3 years and the only reason it wasn’t three was he missed a couple games with injury. Silly Rkrap… You said BB made a mistake not matching JC Jackson’s top of the market deal… I told you that was a silly take when you said it because it was a massive overpay… now you’re dancing. Butler peaked in 2016, not paying him was smart. The Dolphins don’t think the cap is crap despite the single largest cap increase in history. Rkrap math… Dugger leading the team in solo tackles is meaningless with regards to him playing better 2 seasons ago than last. it also has no where close to the level of play DMC reached. I don't see your point on what Dugger leading the team in solo tackles means to the question. would Bill have signed him (or Onwenu)? I said Bill made a mistake not signing Jackson when they had the chance. he played to an all pro level. he was young. I asked you if Bill would sign Dugger and Onwenu and you are off on a tangent about JC JAckson and DMC. so who is dancing? again, would they be back if Bill was here?
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 12, 2024 11:14:19 GMT -5
Dugger leading the team in solo tackles is meaningless with regards to him playing better 2 seasons ago than last. it also has no where close to the level of play DMC reached. I don't see your point on what Dugger leading the team in solo tackles means to the question. would Bill have signed him (or Onwenu)? I said Bill made a mistake not signing Jackson when they had the chance. he played to an all pro level. he was young. I asked you if Bill would sign Dugger and Onwenu and you are off on a tangent about JC JAckson and DMC. so who is dancing? again, would they be back if Bill was here? Kyle Dugger led this team in solo tackles last year... you're a silly person who doesn't bother looking up facts before refuting posts. When JC Jackson signed with the Chargers you said BB made a mistake by not matching it. You're lying. BB paid Shaq Mason, he paid DMC, he paid Gilmore.... funny how a guy so cheap continuously paid great players very aggressive deals. As usual your BB hate doesn't match actual facts.
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Apr 12, 2024 11:20:12 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 12, 2024 11:20:12 GMT -5
Dugger leading the team in solo tackles is meaningless with regards to him playing better 2 seasons ago than last. it also has no where close to the level of play DMC reached. I don't see your point on what Dugger leading the team in solo tackles means to the question. would Bill have signed him (or Onwenu)? I said Bill made a mistake not signing Jackson when they had the chance. he played to an all pro level. he was young. I asked you if Bill would sign Dugger and Onwenu and you are off on a tangent about JC JAckson and DMC. so who is dancing? again, would they be back if Bill was here? Kyle Dugger led this team in solo tackles last year... you're a silly person who doesn't bother looking up facts before refuting posts. When JC Jackson signed with the Chargers you said BB made a mistake by not matching it. You're lying. BB paid Shaq Mason, he paid DMC, he paid Gilmore.... funny how a guy so cheap continuously paid great players very aggressive deals. As usual your BB hate doesn't match actual facts. please answer the question would Bill have signed Dugger and Onwenu?
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 12, 2024 11:37:10 GMT -5
please answer the question would Bill have signed Dugger and Onwenu? You're asking me to answer a hypothetical question. The Patriots had the third most cap space in the NFL, I don't doubt BB would have done close to exactly the same thing Wolf has done. Those are BB players. These are all reasonable deals, Onwenu is the 13th highest paid OL. Dugger is 7th highest paid safety in the league, that's exactly the kind of deal BB would have offered. The free market provided the contract anyhow, that's how that type of tag works.
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Apr 13, 2024 9:55:20 GMT -5
Post by fisher on Apr 13, 2024 9:55:20 GMT -5
BB would have let him walk…or really low balled him like he has done before .. now team is treating players properly. McCourty was one of the highest paid free safeties for about a decade. Great players got paid, they just didn’t get overpaid. The haters also said BB made a mistake not making JC Jackson one of the highest paid CB’s in the NFL, others said he made a mistake paying Stefon Gilmore instead of Malcolm Butler because Stef had a bad PFF grade. Overpaying is dumb, it leads you to let great players walk further down the road… the cap exists, it’s not crap. Like letting Thuney , Law, Seymour, tra
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 13, 2024 10:02:16 GMT -5
Kyle Dugger led this team in solo tackles last year... you're a silly person who doesn't bother looking up facts before refuting posts. When JC Jackson signed with the Chargers you said BB made a mistake by not matching it. You're lying. BB paid Shaq Mason, he paid DMC, he paid Gilmore.... funny how a guy so cheap continuously paid great players very aggressive deals. As usual your BB hate doesn't match actual facts. please answer the question would Bill have signed Dugger and Onwenu? I’ll answer it. Given the amount of cap space and the poor FA class at those positions, yes he would have signed them back. No brainer.
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Apr 13, 2024 10:02:25 GMT -5
Post by fisher on Apr 13, 2024 10:02:25 GMT -5
McCourty was one of the highest paid free safeties for about a decade. Great players got paid, they just didn’t get overpaid. The haters also said BB made a mistake not making JC Jackson one of the highest paid CB’s in the NFL, others said he made a mistake paying Stefon Gilmore instead of Malcolm Butler because Stef had a bad PFF grade. Overpaying is dumb, it leads you to let great players walk further down the road… the cap exists, it’s not crap. Like letting Thuney , Law, Seymour, trading guards after them…overpaying juju after letting a homegrown receiver go over a million dollars…there’s a lot more! Bb ..great HC …less than good GM…None a hater, just a frustrated fan
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