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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2024 11:20:25 GMT -5
I think this mock is a good example of why NE should NOT trade out of #3. If they have the good fortune of Maye being there at #3, don’t even pick up the phone. Run to turn in the card. I would disagree, as they could've had Penix Jr ar #11. Fans will feel differently, but I prefer MPJ at #11, + the additional draft capital received from trading down, over Drake Maye... all-day. Totally disagree, but that’s ok. I think Maye will just be a lot better pro in the long run, and that’s far more valuable to me than the couple of extra picks that NE would receive for trading back and getting Penix. I don’t think people are weighing his injury history as heavily as they should be. Its extensive. His long term health is a huge question for me. No one is a sure bet to stay healthy, but I think Penix’s history is a huge cause for concern.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2024 11:27:09 GMT -5
I would disagree, as they could've had Penix Jr ar #11. Fans will feel differently, but I prefer MPJ at #11, + the additional draft capital received from trading down, over Drake Maye... all-day. Totally disagree, but that’s ok. I think Maye will just be a lot better pro in the long run, and that’s far more valuable to me than the couple of extra picks that NE would receive for trading back and getting Penix. I don’t think people are weighing his injury history as heavily as they should be. Its extensive. His long term health is a huge question for me. No one is a sure bet to stay healthy, but I think Penix’s history is a huge cause for concern. The injury history doesn't worry me much. He's been a horse for two straight seasons, and it's possible the previous stuff was flukey or bad luck. I'm personally more concerned with the long-term health of Jayden Daniels, due to his frame and play style. He's fearless, and subjects himself to an enormous number if big shots... and that's a bad combo at the NFL level.
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Post by freediro on Apr 14, 2024 12:04:53 GMT -5
Totally disagree, but that’s ok. I think Maye will just be a lot better pro in the long run, and that’s far more valuable to me than the couple of extra picks that NE would receive for trading back and getting Penix. I don’t think people are weighing his injury history as heavily as they should be. Its extensive. His long term health is a huge question for me. No one is a sure bet to stay healthy, but I think Penix’s history is a huge cause for concern. The injury history doesn't worry me much. He's been a horse for two straight seasons, and it's possible the previous stuff was flukey or bad luck. I'm personally more concerned with the long-term health of Jayden Daniels, due to his frame and play style. He's fearless, and subjects himself to an enormous number if big shots... and that's a bad combo at the NFL level. or you pick Maye at 3 because dude has the proper size and has proven he can take hits, proven he can produce and step up when the team around him is bad. Don’t think we should be overthinking this a risking trading down to get a QB who honestly shouldn’t even be drafted near #11, horrendous value imo
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2024 12:40:46 GMT -5
Totally disagree, but that’s ok. I think Maye will just be a lot better pro in the long run, and that’s far more valuable to me than the couple of extra picks that NE would receive for trading back and getting Penix. I don’t think people are weighing his injury history as heavily as they should be. Its extensive. His long term health is a huge question for me. No one is a sure bet to stay healthy, but I think Penix’s history is a huge cause for concern. The injury history doesn't worry me much. He's been a horse for two straight seasons, and it's possible the previous stuff was flukey or bad luck. I'm personally more concerned with the long-term health of Jayden Daniels, due to his frame and play style. He's fearless, and subjects himself to an enormous number if big shots... and that's a bad combo at the NFL level. To me, guys that have a lot of “bad luck” or “flukey” types of injury history are maybe the worst ones. Often times, they just seem to keep getting hurt. I agree on Daniels too. His frame is worrisome. But I like his talent still. I’d gamble on him before Penix. But Maye is my guy in the draft. I love his upside. I think you can justify taking him in the Top 3. No way with Penix. You can gloss over the injuries, but the history is there.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2024 12:41:03 GMT -5
The injury history doesn't worry me much. He's been a horse for two straight seasons, and it's possible the previous stuff was flukey or bad luck. I'm personally more concerned with the long-term health of Jayden Daniels, due to his frame and play style. He's fearless, and subjects himself to an enormous number if big shots... and that's a bad combo at the NFL level. or you pick Maye at 3 because dude has the proper size and has proven he can take hits, proven he can produce and step up when the team around him is bad. Don’t think we should be overthinking this a risking trading down to get a QB who honestly shouldn’t even be drafted near #11, horrendous value imo Absolutely agree.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2024 12:42:47 GMT -5
The injury history doesn't worry me much. He's been a horse for two straight seasons, and it's possible the previous stuff was flukey or bad luck. I'm personally more concerned with the long-term health of Jayden Daniels, due to his frame and play style. He's fearless, and subjects himself to an enormous number if big shots... and that's a bad combo at the NFL level. or you pick Maye at 3 because dude has the proper size and has proven he can take hits, proven he can produce and step up when the team around him is bad. Don’t think we should be overthinking this a risking trading down to get a QB who honestly shouldn’t even be drafted near #11, horrendous value imo Im not a Maye guy, and would prefer JJM or MPJ over him at any point.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2024 12:49:10 GMT -5
or you pick Maye at 3 because dude has the proper size and has proven he can take hits, proven he can produce and step up when the team around him is bad. Don’t think we should be overthinking this a risking trading down to get a QB who honestly shouldn’t even be drafted near #11, horrendous value imo Im not a Maye guy, and would prefer JJM or MPJ over him at any point. That’s fair. I’m the opposite. I’d be ok with McCarthy. No to Penix.
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Post by g00dd on Apr 14, 2024 13:09:14 GMT -5
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC 2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU 3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives #11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick 4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State 5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND 6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC 7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash 8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama 9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU 10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St 11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr 12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon 13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia 14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama 15 Indianapolis 16 Seattle 17 Jacksonville 18 Cincinnati 19 Los Angeles Rams 20 Pittsburgh 21 Miami 22 Philadelphia 23 New England 24 Dallas 25 Green Bay 26 Tampa Bay 27 Arizona 28 Buffalo 29 Detroit 30 Baltimore 31 San Francisco 32 Kansas City
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 14, 2024 13:12:49 GMT -5
If they trade back a second time, and settle for Bo Nix, I'd be fvcken furious. I think this mock is a good example of why NE should NOT trade out of #3. If they have the good fortune of Maye being there at #3, don’t even pick up the phone. Run to turn in the card. Maye does not equal good fortune. Fools gold.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 14, 2024 13:15:33 GMT -5
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC 2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU 3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives #11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick 4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State 5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND 6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC 7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash 8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama 9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU 10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St 11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr 12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon 13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia 14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama 15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama 16 Seattle 17 Jacksonville 18 Cincinnati 19 Los Angeles Rams 20 Pittsburgh 21 Miami 22 Philadelphia 23 New England 24 Dallas 25 Green Bay 26 Tampa Bay 27 Arizona 28 Buffalo 29 Detroit 30 Baltimore 31 San Francisco 32 Kansas City
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 14, 2024 13:33:10 GMT -5
Totally disagree, but that’s ok. I think Maye will just be a lot better pro in the long run, and that’s far more valuable to me than the couple of extra picks that NE would receive for trading back and getting Penix. I don’t think people are weighing his injury history as heavily as they should be. Its extensive. His long term health is a huge question for me. No one is a sure bet to stay healthy, but I think Penix’s history is a huge cause for concern. The injury history doesn't worry me much. He's been a horse for two straight seasons, and it's possible the previous stuff was flukey or bad luck. I'm personally more concerned with the long-term health of Jayden Daniels, due to his frame and play style. He's fearless, and subjects himself to an enormous number if big shots... and that's a bad combo at the NFL level. I agree with your view on risk of injury - Daniels versus Penix. I do have a higher concern about Daniels' health. I believe the one thing that teams considering Daniels should make sure they get done in interviews is get a sense of whether Daniels can be coached to cut down on his running. Not an easy task.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 14, 2024 13:33:11 GMT -5
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 14, 2024 13:36:50 GMT -5
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 14, 2024 13:38:36 GMT -5
So draft studiers see Penix going 2-5.
Feldman sees him as the #2 QB in the draft.
My mock draft is more realistic! Lol
Kiper is still an idiot. He thinks Penix is a 2nd rounder.
If the Rams want to trade up for Penix, they will have to move up from #19 dumbass.
He is trying, like a lot of know it alls, to protect his terrible takes.
Best thing to do when you are wrong is just admit it.
I was wrong about Drake Maye this go around, g00dd introduced me to Penix Jr and I had to change my mind.
Kiper has BTJ going 28th. Laughable.
Offense has taken more priority than defense now in the NFL.
How do you have teams taking DL's and CB's ahead of BTJ? A top 5 receiver in this draft.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 14, 2024 14:22:19 GMT -5
I swear. I believe he was the guy on Eisen's show months ago saying Penix might not be drafted.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 14, 2024 14:25:21 GMT -5
So draft studiers see Penix going 2-5. Feldman sees him as the #2 QB in the draft. My mock draft is more realistic! Lol Kiper is still an idiot. He thinks Penix is a 2nd rounder. If the Rams want to trade up for Penix, they will have to move up from #19 dumbass. He is trying, like a lot of know it alls, to protect his terrible takes. Best thing to do when you are wrong is just admit it. I was wrong about Drake Maye this go around, g00dd introduced me to Penix Jr and I had to change my mind. Kiper has BTJ going 28th. Laughable. Offense has taken more priority than defense now in the NFL. How do you have teams taking DL's and CB's ahead of BTJ? A top 5 receiver in this draft. It depends on each teams need. Just because it’s an offensive league doesn’t mean every team needs or wants a WR in the first round.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 14, 2024 14:25:30 GMT -5
I swear. I believe he was the guy on Eisen's show months ago saying Penix might not be drafted. He was! They're frauds who follow others opinions! At least they're smart enough to learn from more knowledgeable people. No shame in that. Eisen told him the smartest football player he knows, Marshall Faulk, loves MPJ. youtu.be/JbKLpCkCXww?si=siOF4g9yRYwNQcHe
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 14, 2024 14:27:58 GMT -5
So draft studiers see Penix going 2-5. Feldman sees him as the #2 QB in the draft. My mock draft is more realistic! Lol Kiper is still an idiot. He thinks Penix is a 2nd rounder. If the Rams want to trade up for Penix, they will have to move up from #19 dumbass. He is trying, like a lot of know it alls, to protect his terrible takes. Best thing to do when you are wrong is just admit it. I was wrong about Drake Maye this go around, g00dd introduced me to Penix Jr and I had to change my mind. Kiper has BTJ going 28th. Laughable. Offense has taken more priority than defense now in the NFL. How do you have teams taking DL's and CB's ahead of BTJ? A top 5 receiver in this draft. Kiper also thought that Mahomes was going to the Niners at 34. That said, I also have Brian Thomas rated in the last third of the first round.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 14, 2024 14:29:20 GMT -5
So draft studiers see Penix going 2-5. Feldman sees him as the #2 QB in the draft. My mock draft is more realistic! Lol Kiper is still an idiot. He thinks Penix is a 2nd rounder. If the Rams want to trade up for Penix, they will have to move up from #19 dumbass. He is trying, like a lot of know it alls, to protect his terrible takes. Best thing to do when you are wrong is just admit it. I was wrong about Drake Maye this go around, g00dd introduced me to Penix Jr and I had to change my mind. Kiper has BTJ going 28th. Laughable. Offense has taken more priority than defense now in the NFL. How do you have teams taking DL's and CB's ahead of BTJ? A top 5 receiver in this draft. It depends on each teams need. Just because it’s an offensive league doesn’t mean every team needs or wants a WR in the first round. I don't see 27 players better than BTJ at any position though.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 14, 2024 14:30:40 GMT -5
So draft studiers see Penix going 2-5. Feldman sees him as the #2 QB in the draft. My mock draft is more realistic! Lol Kiper is still an idiot. He thinks Penix is a 2nd rounder. If the Rams want to trade up for Penix, they will have to move up from #19 dumbass. He is trying, like a lot of know it alls, to protect his terrible takes. Best thing to do when you are wrong is just admit it. I was wrong about Drake Maye this go around, g00dd introduced me to Penix Jr and I had to change my mind. Kiper has BTJ going 28th. Laughable. Offense has taken more priority than defense now in the NFL. How do you have teams taking DL's and CB's ahead of BTJ? A top 5 receiver in this draft. Kiper also thought that Mahomes was going to the Niners at 34. That said, I also have Brian Thomas rated in the last third of the first round. You need to change that brother! He is right there with Nabers and MHJ. Better than Odunze in my book.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 14, 2024 16:10:11 GMT -5
Kiper also thought that Mahomes was going to the Niners at 34. That said, I also have Brian Thomas rated in the last third of the first round. You need to change that brother! He is right there with Nabers and MHJ. Better than Odunze in my book. Frankly, I have not paid too much attention to the WRs. To me it is a third priority. And based on the little I have looked at WRs, I look at the top 3 as head and shoulders above the rest. Then there's Thomas by himself in the last third of Rd 1. Followed by a gazillion really good WRs sprinkled all throughout Rds 2-3.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 14, 2024 16:24:24 GMT -5
You need to change that brother! He is right there with Nabers and MHJ. Better than Odunze in my book. Frankly, I have not paid too much attention to the WRs. To me it is a third priority. And based on the little I have looked at WRs, I look at the top 3 as head and shoulders above the rest. Then there's Thomas by himself in the last third of Rd 1. Followed by a gazillion really good WRs sprinkled all throughout Rds 2-3. Jmo. I actually think BTJ is the best WR in the draft, if not, he is tied with Malik Nabers. I think MHJ is 3rd or 4th best. He doesn't have Randy Moss speed to go with his height. It will show in the NFL. Speed is king.
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Post by freediro on Apr 14, 2024 19:25:09 GMT -5
or you pick Maye at 3 because dude has the proper size and has proven he can take hits, proven he can produce and step up when the team around him is bad. Don’t think we should be overthinking this a risking trading down to get a QB who honestly shouldn’t even be drafted near #11, horrendous value imo Im not a Maye guy, and would prefer JJM or MPJ over him at any point. that’s fine, I’d be happy if we picked Daniels, think JJ is a reach at 3 tbh, if we could trad down and get him at 11 I could try to get behind that, but that’s just not gonna happen at this point.
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Post by thehub on Apr 14, 2024 19:38:05 GMT -5
It depends on each teams need. Just because it’s an offensive league doesn’t mean every team needs or wants a WR in the first round. I don't see 27 players better than BTJ at any position though. You are an offensive whore that’s why! 😂😂
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Post by thehub on Apr 14, 2024 19:40:11 GMT -5
Frankly, I have not paid too much attention to the WRs. To me it is a third priority. And based on the little I have looked at WRs, I look at the top 3 as head and shoulders above the rest. Then there's Thomas by himself in the last third of Rd 1. Followed by a gazillion really good WRs sprinkled all throughout Rds 2-3. Jmo. I actually think BTJ is the best WR in the draft, if not, he is tied with Malik Nabers. I think MHJ is 3rd or 4th best. He doesn't have Randy Moss speed to go with his height. It will show in the NFL. Speed is king. 🤔 Jerry Rice? 🤔 Ross to the Bengles after a great 40 time. How did he do? Running precise routes is KING.
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