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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 18, 2024 18:45:54 GMT -5
There's a zero % chance that they sit the QB they draft for two years. It's not happening. To me, a QB drafted in the top 10 should be expected to perform as a top 10 NFL QB in year 3 (in this case, 2026). The approach to developing the QB to be that can vary by situation - team and QB. Obviously, it would be preferrable that the QB show strong signs of being that earlier than later. I would say those are fair expectations, but there's also a zero % chance of the QB they draft sitting for two years. One year? Maybe part of one year? Probably the most likely. |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 18, 2024 18:49:18 GMT -5
To me, a QB drafted in the top 10 should be expected to perform as a top 10 NFL QB in year 3 (in this case, 2026). The approach to developing the QB to be that can vary by situation - team and QB. Obviously, it would be preferrable that the QB show strong signs of being that earlier than later. I would say those are fair expectations, but there's also a zero % chance of the QB they draft sitting for two years. One year? Maybe part of one year? Probably the most likely. Well, if he's still sitting over the entire year 2, he probably ain't meeting that goal. |
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 20, 2024 8:17:57 GMT -5
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Post by patslifer on Apr 20, 2024 9:37:53 GMT -5
I don’t like that mock at all. 2 RBs early? And Penix at 3? Is that your mock? |
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 20, 2024 10:55:50 GMT -5
I don’t like that mock at all. 2 RBs early? And Penix at 3? Is that your mock? Oh yeah baby! |
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 20, 2024 15:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 21, 2024 10:35:59 GMT -5
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Post by g00dd on Apr 21, 2024 14:00:22 GMT -5
This is the first mock I’ve seen that doesn’t have Williams going first or second. |
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Post by g00dd on Apr 21, 2024 14:03:02 GMT -5
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC
2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU
3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives
#11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick
4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State
5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND
6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC
7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash
8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama
9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU
10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St
11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr
12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon
13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia
14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama
15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama
16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington
17 Jacksonville - *TRADE* Jacksonville trades 17 and 96 to Philadelphia for 22 and 53. Philadelphia selects CB Terrion Arnold Alabama
18 Cincinnati - OT Taliese Fuaga Oregon State
19 Los Angeles Rams - Edge Laiatu Latu UCLA
20 Pittsburgh - iOL Graham Barton Duke
21 Miami - DT Byron Murphy II Texas
22 Jacksonville - WR Brian Thomas Jr. LSU (somewhere, DaP Gronk-spikes his TV, PC and phone in rage)
23 New England - OT Tyler Guyton Oklahoma
24 Dallas - OT Amarius Mims Georgia
25 Green Bay - CB Cooper DeJean Iowa
26 Tampa Bay - Edge Jared Verse FSU
27 Arizona
28 Buffalo
29 Detroit
30 Baltimore
31 San Francisco
32 Kansas City
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 21, 2024 14:25:15 GMT -5
This is the first mock I’ve seen that doesn’t have Williams going first or second. Yeah, I’ve noticed that about that site. Williams hardly ever goes to Chicago. Also, I think they offer to trade you the same future draft picks from another team more than once. In one mock I did it offered and traded me the Giants first, 3rd, and 5th picks in 2025 3 times. Something wrong with their algorithm. |
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 21, 2024 18:46:46 GMT -5
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Post by michiganadam on Apr 22, 2024 21:00:48 GMT -5
Tom Brady had stalwarts with Matt Light and Nate Solder for most of his career. That cannot be understated. Are you suggesting that without those tackles (who were in fact very very good) that Tom Brady is not the player he eventually became? I just want to be clear on this lmao The reason I say arguably more important is at least we have a serviceable qb who isn't going to lose you many games. A poor LT might cost your franchise qb through injury or confidence killing. This MIGHT have been what happened to Mac. He got worse each year as his online got worse each year. Not saying it was all of the reason or even the biggest reason, but it certainly contributed. Brisett can certainly play for a year or two if the rest of the offense is improved and then package some picks for a player or pick to fill it later IF they are not convinced their man is there. Please please don't get your qb and wr and skip the LT.... |
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 22, 2024 22:48:04 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that without those tackles (who were in fact very very good) that Tom Brady is not the player he eventually became? I just want to be clear on this lmao The reason I say arguably more important is at least we have a serviceable qb who isn't going to lose you many games. A poor LT might cost your franchise qb through injury or confidence killing. This MIGHT have been what happened to Mac. He got worse each year as his online got worse each year. Not saying it was all of the reason or even the biggest reason, but it certainly contributed. Brisett can certainly play for a year or two if the rest of the offense is improved and then package some picks for a player or pick to fill it later IF they are not convinced their man is there. Please please don't get your qb and wr and skip the LT.... Joe Burrow's line was dogsh!t his rookie year if I remember correctly (tore his ACL) and still came back a better player and didn't let the hits get to him. Of course every QB is different and your right in that it likely contributed to Mac's decline. I've stated repeatedly that I think LT is the second-biggest need on this team. I took issue with the idea that Tom Brady wouldn't have become the Greatest of All Time if his O-line wasn't amazing. I think that's disrespectful and dismissive to the work Tom put in every single year to be as great as he was. |
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Post by michiganadam on Apr 23, 2024 6:24:15 GMT -5
The reason I say arguably more important is at least we have a serviceable qb who isn't going to lose you many games. A poor LT might cost your franchise qb through injury or confidence killing. This MIGHT have been what happened to Mac. He got worse each year as his online got worse each year. Not saying it was all of the reason or even the biggest reason, but it certainly contributed. Brisett can certainly play for a year or two if the rest of the offense is improved and then package some picks for a player or pick to fill it later IF they are not convinced their man is there. Please please don't get your qb and wr and skip the LT.... Joe Burrow's line was dogsh!t his rookie year if I remember correctly (tore his ACL) and still came back a better player and didn't let the hits get to him. Of course every QB is different and your right in that it likely contributed to Mac's decline. I've stated repeatedly that I think LT is the second-biggest need on this team. I took issue with the idea that Tom Brady wouldn't have become the Greatest of All Time if his O-line wasn't amazing. I think that's disrespectful and dismissive to the work Tom put in every single year to be as great as he was. I agree to a point, but also disagree as well. Football is a team sport, with 11 guys on the field for each team. It only takes 1 weak link for a play to break down. In an extreme example to show the point, if the pats were to play the game with 9 O linemen, 1 QB, and 1 RB, then their passing game would be non-existent, and brady would not have been the goat. The opposite, if he had O linemen who would only leave him clean for 2 seconds max then it doesn't matter who his WR are, he is not completing many. Obviously the world is shades of grey, and there are no extremes this consistent or...extreme. For an offense to be successful, there has to be a run pass threat balance to keep the D honest. The O Line has to protect the passer long enough for the receivers to get open, and also open holes for the RB to run. There were years that window was very tight for Brady, and he showed off his talent by using his pocket awareness and quick release to feed his receivers who were excellant of getting open quick(gronk, edelmen, welker, amendola, etc). There were other years he had more time, but had less receiver talent, so it was a challenge to find someone open. For a QB to be successful there needs to be a balance of all of it, and the talent to take advantage of the windows and openings he does get. With such an obvious weakness at a position of such importance(well really 3 of them) it becomes a big issue. Thats why my preference is to find/make a way to get 3 positions filled in the top 40 or so picks. If that means trading down some to turn 2 picks into 3....or 2 picks plus a starter at WR, QB, or LT....then I say they do it, as long as they are still comfortable with the talent of the QB they draft. |
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 23, 2024 8:23:37 GMT -5
Joe Burrow's line was dogsh!t his rookie year if I remember correctly (tore his ACL) and still came back a better player and didn't let the hits get to him. Of course every QB is different and your right in that it likely contributed to Mac's decline. I've stated repeatedly that I think LT is the second-biggest need on this team. I took issue with the idea that Tom Brady wouldn't have become the Greatest of All Time if his O-line wasn't amazing. I think that's disrespectful and dismissive to the work Tom put in every single year to be as great as he was. I agree to a point, but also disagree as well. Football is a team sport, with 11 guys on the field for each team. It only takes 1 weak link for a play to break down. In an extreme example to show the point, if the pats were to play the game with 9 O linemen, 1 QB, and 1 RB, then their passing game would be non-existent, and brady would not have been the goat. The opposite, if he had O linemen who would only leave him clean for 2 seconds max then it doesn't matter who his WR are, he is not completing many. Obviously the world is shades of grey, and there are no extremes this consistent or...extreme. For an offense to be successful, there has to be a run pass threat balance to keep the D honest. The O Line has to protect the passer long enough for the receivers to get open, and also open holes for the RB to run. There were years that window was very tight for Brady, and he showed off his talent by using his pocket awareness and quick release to feed his receivers who were excellant of getting open quick(gronk, edelmen, welker, amendola, etc). There were other years he had more time, but had less receiver talent, so it was a challenge to find someone open. For a QB to be successful there needs to be a balance of all of it, and the talent to take advantage of the windows and openings he does get. With such an obvious weakness at a position of such importance(well really 3 of them) it becomes a big issue. Thats why my preference is to find/make a way to get 3 positions filled in the top 40 or so picks. If that means trading down some to turn 2 picks into 3....or 2 picks plus a starter at WR, QB, or LT....then I say they do it, as long as they are still comfortable with the talent of the QB they draft. Of course football is a team sport, and yes Tom can't go out there with zero linemen and no receivers and still win a game all by himself. Of course he needs help like any other QB in NFL history does lmao. At that point, you might as well say there's no such thing as a greatest player ever in any team sport because they couldn't do it all by themselves. Michael Jordan can't be the greatest cause he couldn't do it without Scottie Pippen. Bobby Orr can't be the greatest defenseman ever because of all the talent on those Bruins teams he won with. All I know is this: Tom was here 20 years, had multiple different linemen over the years, many of them good to great, but others were not so great and ultimately it didn't really matter when it came down to him needing to get the job done in the biggest moments with the game on the line. Its not like he had the same 9 Pro Bowlers over 20 years protecting him, he had multiple different players protecting him and they weren't all star players. He had great receivers but he also had average receivers. But he never showed himself to be anything but he was: the greatest player to ever live. That's my point. |
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Post by garytx on Apr 23, 2024 9:41:04 GMT -5
The reason I say arguably more important is at least we have a serviceable qb who isn't going to lose you many games. A poor LT might cost your franchise qb through injury or confidence killing. This MIGHT have been what happened to Mac. He got worse each year as his online got worse each year. Not saying it was all of the reason or even the biggest reason, but it certainly contributed. Brisett can certainly play for a year or two if the rest of the offense is improved and then package some picks for a player or pick to fill it later IF they are not convinced their man is there. Please please don't get your qb and wr and skip the LT.... Joe Burrow's line was dogsh!t his rookie year if I remember correctly (tore his ACL) and still came back a better player and didn't let the hits get to him. Of course every QB is different and your right in that it likely contributed to Mac's decline. I've stated repeatedly that I think LT is the second-biggest need on this team. I took issue with the idea that Tom Brady wouldn't have become the Greatest of All Time if his O-line wasn't amazing. I think that's disrespectful and dismissive to the work Tom put in every single year to be as great as he was. The Brady vs OL thing does ring true in that Brady was a pure pocket passer and did need a good OL to step up into the pocket. The Bengals have Burrow but with an OL like that for how long? Hits add up. Like the Bengals if the Pats had a poor OL they wouldn't have been in to many SBs. Brady's career wouldn't have been what it was. Of course this is all theoretical nonsense as we'll never know. But if you want to compare the two on similar grounds I would think that Tom would have seen a lot less SBs. |
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Post by michiganadam on Apr 23, 2024 9:50:30 GMT -5
I agree to a point, but also disagree as well. Football is a team sport, with 11 guys on the field for each team. It only takes 1 weak link for a play to break down. In an extreme example to show the point, if the pats were to play the game with 9 O linemen, 1 QB, and 1 RB, then their passing game would be non-existent, and brady would not have been the goat. The opposite, if he had O linemen who would only leave him clean for 2 seconds max then it doesn't matter who his WR are, he is not completing many. Obviously the world is shades of grey, and there are no extremes this consistent or...extreme. For an offense to be successful, there has to be a run pass threat balance to keep the D honest. The O Line has to protect the passer long enough for the receivers to get open, and also open holes for the RB to run. There were years that window was very tight for Brady, and he showed off his talent by using his pocket awareness and quick release to feed his receivers who were excellant of getting open quick(gronk, edelmen, welker, amendola, etc). There were other years he had more time, but had less receiver talent, so it was a challenge to find someone open. For a QB to be successful there needs to be a balance of all of it, and the talent to take advantage of the windows and openings he does get. With such an obvious weakness at a position of such importance(well really 3 of them) it becomes a big issue. Thats why my preference is to find/make a way to get 3 positions filled in the top 40 or so picks. If that means trading down some to turn 2 picks into 3....or 2 picks plus a starter at WR, QB, or LT....then I say they do it, as long as they are still comfortable with the talent of the QB they draft. Of course football is a team sport, and yes Tom can't go out there with zero linemen and no receivers and still win a game all by himself. Of course he needs help like any other QB in NFL history does lmao. At that point, you might as well say there's no such thing as a greatest player ever in any team sport because they couldn't do it all by themselves. Michael Jordan can't be the greatest cause he couldn't do it without Scottie Pippen. Bobby Orr can't be the greatest defenseman ever because of all the talent on those Bruins teams he won with. All I know is this: Tom was here 20 years, had multiple different linemen over the years, many of them good to great, but others were not so great and ultimately it didn't really matter when it came down to him needing to get the job done in the biggest moments with the game on the line. Its not like he had the same 9 Pro Bowlers over 20 years protecting him, he had multiple different players protecting him and they weren't all star players. He had great receivers but he also had average receivers. But he never showed himself to be anything but he was: the greatest player to ever live. That's my point. I think you are missing the big picture. Tom was certainly one of the greatest ever. He was sort of like Lebron, although I hate that comparison, but it is a good one unfortunately. He was always a top 0 QB, and he did it for many years. Yes occasionally he was a top 3 QB each year, but often he was overshadowed by someone who has as good or better season, but he was in the discussion for most of the years he played, and he played allot of years. His O Line was almost always average to well above average. His receivers were usually just average IMHO, with the exception of the years with Randy Moss, then they were well above average. The best of anything gets expensive real quick. Rarely does that work for any length of time in the NFL. That was BB's moto for gosh sake. He would aim higher on CB's QB's, Oline, and Dline, and seemed to be happy with above average every where else. Yes he would hit a home run occasionally...but he rarely paid top dollar except as I mentioned. The Cap just punished it too much to have the best. If the pats had off years, it was usually due to injury, or if position groups had below average years(receivers or RB's are examples I can remember). To summarize it all, Brady never had an Oline as bad as this years will be if they can't get a much better LT(unless Okafor is much better than we think). BB always prioritized the lines too much to leave that big a hole in that important of a spot. |
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Post by g00dd on Apr 23, 2024 11:00:43 GMT -5
Alright, trying to keep this rolling but I've made too many picks. Anyone else wanna finish this thing before Thurs?
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC
2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU
3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives
#11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick
4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State
5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND
6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC
7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash
8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama
9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU
10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St
11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr
12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon
13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia
14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama
15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama
16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington
17 Jacksonville - *TRADE* Jacksonville trades 17 and 96 to Philadelphia for 22 and 53. Philadelphia selects CB Terrion Arnold Alabama
18 Cincinnati - OT Taliese Fuaga Oregon State
19 Los Angeles Rams - Edge Laiatu Latu UCLA
20 Pittsburgh - iOL Graham Barton Duke
21 Miami - DT Byron Murphy II Texas
22 Jacksonville - WR Brian Thomas Jr. LSU (somewhere, DaP Gronk-spikes his TV, PC and phone in rage)
23 New England - OT Tyler Guyton Oklahoma
24 Dallas - OT Amarius Mims Georgia
25 Green Bay - CB Cooper DeJean Iowa
26 Tampa Bay - Edge Jared Verse FSU
27 Arizona - Edge Chop Robinson Penn St
28 Buffalo - WR Adonai Mitchell Texas
29 Detroit - CB Quinyon Mitchell Toledo
30 Baltimore
31 San Francisco
32 Kansas City
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Post by digger0862 on Apr 23, 2024 20:59:33 GMT -5
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC
2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU
3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives
#11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick
4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State
5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND
6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC
7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash
8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama
9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU
10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St
11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr
12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon
13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia
14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama
15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama
16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington
17 Jacksonville - *TRADE* Jacksonville trades 17 and 96 to Philadelphia for 22 and 53. Philadelphia selects CB Terrion Arnold Alabama
18 Cincinnati - OT Taliese Fuaga Oregon State
19 Los Angeles Rams - Edge Laiatu Latu UCLA
20 Pittsburgh - iOL Graham Barton Duke
21 Miami - DT Byron Murphy II Texas
22 Jacksonville - WR Brian Thomas Jr. LSU (somewhere, DaP Gronk-spikes his TV, PC and phone in rage)
23 New England - OT Tyler Guyton Oklahoma
24 Dallas - OT Amarius Mims Georgia
25 Green Bay - CB Cooper DeJean Iowa
26 Tampa Bay - Edge Jared Verse FSU
27 Arizona - Edge Chop Robinson Penn St
28 Buffalo - WR Adonai Mitchell Texas
29 Detroit - CB Quinyon Mitchell Toledo
30 Baltimore - WR Ladd McConkey Georgia
31 San Francisco - WR Xavier Worthy Texas
32 Kansas City
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 25, 2024 4:55:21 GMT -5
My OCD brain couldn't wait for someone to finish round 1 any longer...
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC
2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU
3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ McCarthy. NE receives
#11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick
4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State
5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND
6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC
7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash
8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama
9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU
10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St
11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr
12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon
13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia
14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama
15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama
16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington
17 Jacksonville - *TRADE* Jacksonville trades 17 and 96 to Philadelphia for 22 and 53. Philadelphia selects CB Terrion Arnold Alabama
18 Cincinnati - OT Taliese Fuaga Oregon State
19 Los Angeles Rams - Edge Laiatu Latu UCLA
20 Pittsburgh - iOL Graham Barton Duke
21 Miami - DT Byron Murphy II Texas
22 Jacksonville - WR Brian Thomas Jr. LSU (somewhere, DaP Gronk-spikes his TV, PC and phone in rage)
23 New England - OT Tyler Guyton Oklahoma
24 Dallas - OT Amarius Mims Georgia
25 Green Bay - CB Cooper DeJean Iowa
26 Tampa Bay - Edge Jared Verse FSU
27 Arizona - Edge Chop Robinson Penn St
28 Buffalo - WR Adonai Mitchell Texas
29 Detroit - CB Quinyon Mitchell Toledo
30 Baltimore - WR Ladd McConkey Georgia
31 San Francisco - WR Xavier Worthy Texas
32 Kansas City - DL Jer'Zhan Newton Illinois
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 15:28:52 GMT -5
11.) Vikings- Bo Nix 12.) Broncos-CB T.Arnold 13.) Raiders- Edge D.Turner 14.) Saints - DL B. Murphy 15.) Colts- OT A Mims 16.) Seahawks- Edge L. Latu 17.) Jaguars- CB K.McKinstry 18.) Bengals- DL J.Newton 19.) Rams- CB C.Dejean 20.) Steelers- TE B.Bowers Look who else called 6 QB's in the top 12! Lol Also 11 straight offensive picks! Watch out Mel Kiper! I had the most accurate mock in the world! Lol |
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