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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 16, 2024 7:45:06 GMT -5
I am not that familiar with Aiyuk but I am familiar with Metcalf.
I was frustrated when we traded the pick to Seattle and they drafted him.
He has the type of toughness our team needs.
Love his attitude.
Love his game.
My preference by FAR!
We need to draft Devin Culp and turn him into this guy! Similar height , speed and weight.
My 4th round pick
On Brandon Aiyuk: He knows HOW to get open and then CATCHES everything it seems.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2024 8:22:01 GMT -5
DK Metcalf ran a 4.33, Culp ran a 4.47... which means Metcalf is light years faster in terms of straight-line/deep speed. That said, if they wanna scoop Culp as a day 3 development trait pick, I'd be for it.
As for which of the two I prefer, I'm an Aiyuk guy in this scenario. He's already shown to be a terrific fit for a Shanahan-esque O, and would immediately give them a true go-to #1 WR that they haven't had in a long time.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 16, 2024 8:25:34 GMT -5
DK Metcalf ran a 4.33, Culp ran a 4.47... which means Metcalf is light years faster in terms of straight-line/deep speed. That said, if they wanna scoop Culp as a day 3 development trait pick, I'd be for it. As for which of the two I prefer, I'm an Aiyuk guy in this scenario. He's already shown to be a terrific fit for a Shanahan-esque O, and would immediately give them a true go-to #1 WR that they haven't had in a long time. That's why I said similar my friend. Jeeez! 😁 The difference between 4.3 and 4.5 is the time it takes to sneeze. Um. Most people to sneeze. Lol |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2024 8:29:35 GMT -5
DK Metcalf ran a 4.33, Culp ran a 4.47... which means Metcalf is light years faster in terms of straight-line/deep speed. That said, if they wanna scoop Culp as a day 3 development trait pick, I'd be for it. As for which of the two I prefer, I'm an Aiyuk guy in this scenario. He's already shown to be a terrific fit for a Shanahan-esque O, and would immediately give them a true go-to #1 WR that they haven't had in a long time. That's why I said similar my friend. Jeeez! 😁 Haha, I know, but it's not similar. You can watch one of those combine things, where they show a 4.33 guy vs. a 4.47 guy in the 40, and just how much faster the 4.33 guy is. 4.48 is the average speed for an NFL WR, and CB... so Culp would be a tick above average in that metric. Outside of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze and BTJ, which WR do you want most in this class? |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 16, 2024 8:37:19 GMT -5
Neither, unless either was a free agent.
Don’t trade for a guy you also have to pay a new massive contract, because you’re paying twice.
Draft a WR and bring in UDFA’s, bring in 3-4 of them… at least a couple will become serviceable weapons.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 16, 2024 11:50:36 GMT -5
the trade compensation for WR's under 2nd contracts with some miles on them has dropped. Amari Cooper. Stefan Diggs.
Metcalf a little younger, a little cheaper.
if the Pats were to trade for him now for a 2025 2nd round pick they would owe Metcalf 2/ $35m. APY at $17.5m
not too bad considering Lamb, Jefferson, D SMith and others will all get more than $17.5m
I would trade a 2025 2nd for Metcalf if he would extend 2 additional years.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 16, 2024 12:07:06 GMT -5
That's why I said similar my friend. Jeeez! 😁 Haha, I know, but it's not similar. You can watch one of those combine things, where they show a 4.33 guy vs. a 4.47 guy in the 40, and just how much faster the 4.33 guy is. 4.48 is the average speed for an NFL WR, and CB... so Culp would be a tick above average in that metric. Outside of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze and BTJ, which WR do you want most in this class? Ja'Lynn Polk or Keon Coleman. Its a toss up. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 16, 2024 13:44:34 GMT -5
McKonkey, Franklin, Mitchell for me over both Coleman or Polk
I also like Polk better than Coleman
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2024 14:43:08 GMT -5
Haha, I know, but it's not similar. You can watch one of those combine things, where they show a 4.33 guy vs. a 4.47 guy in the 40, and just how much faster the 4.33 guy is. 4.48 is the average speed for an NFL WR, and CB... so Culp would be a tick above average in that metric. Outside of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze and BTJ, which WR do you want most in this class? Ja'Lynn Polk or Keon Coleman. Its a toss up. Ladd McConkey is still my guy. My favorite prospect in the class. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 16, 2024 22:18:15 GMT -5
the trade compensation for WR's under 2nd contracts with some miles on them has dropped. Amari Cooper. Stefan Diggs. Metcalf a little younger, a little cheaper. if the Pats were to trade for him now for a 2025 2nd round pick they would owe Metcalf 2/ $35m. APY at $17.5m not too bad considering Lamb, Jefferson, D SMith and others will all get more than $17.5m I would trade a 2025 2nd for Metcalf if he would extend 2 additional years. We got Randy Moss for a 4th round pick in 2007. Metcalf is the best deep threat in the game, he's pretty one dimensional... but does that one thing better than anyone else. I'd love to have him on my team, but if I have to trade for him and pay him.... the trade value had better go way down. The only reason anyone trades DK Metcalf is they're still 8.6 million over the cap in April before the draft and the team isn't good enough. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 16, 2024 22:25:05 GMT -5
Also Brandon Aiyuk is a #2 in a really good offensive scheme, team and overall situation.
Anyone who would trade for him and pay what will undoubtedly be a massive overpay is a fool.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 17, 2024 5:06:19 GMT -5
the trade compensation for WR's under 2nd contracts with some miles on them has dropped. Amari Cooper. Stefan Diggs. Metcalf a little younger, a little cheaper. if the Pats were to trade for him now for a 2025 2nd round pick they would owe Metcalf 2/ $35m. APY at $17.5m not too bad considering Lamb, Jefferson, D SMith and others will all get more than $17.5m I would trade a 2025 2nd for Metcalf if he would extend 2 additional years. We got Randy Moss for a 4th round pick in 2007. Metcalf is the best deep threat in the game, he's pretty one dimensional... but does that one thing better than anyone else. I'd love to have him on my team, but if I have to trade for him and pay him.... the trade value had better go way down. The only reason anyone trades DK Metcalf is they're still 8.6 million over the cap in April before the draft and the team isn't good enough. why do you use as a point of reference a 2007 situation in 2024? clearly things have changed drastically. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 17, 2024 7:20:07 GMT -5
why do you use as a point of reference a 2007 situation in 2024? clearly things have changed drastically.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 17, 2024 7:31:20 GMT -5
why do you use as a point of reference a 2007 situation in 2024? clearly things have changed drastically.
I referenced Cooper and Diggs, both traded within in the past couple of seasons. Cooper, arguably a better WR in Dallas than Metcalf in Seattle, went for a 5th. Metcalf if traded, is due $13m this season and approx $18m next. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 17, 2024 8:34:01 GMT -5
I referenced Cooper and Diggs, both traded within in the past couple of seasons. Cooper, arguably a better WR in Dallas than Metcalf in Seattle, went for a 5th. Metcalf if traded, is due $13m this season and approx $18m next. Both Dallas and Buffalo were hamstrung by the cap which precipitated these trades, but Diggs as much or more so because he was a malcontent. I see a 5th or so as the trade value for Metcalf, he has no guarantees left on his deal after this season. Players don’t start squawking about a new contract at the end of their last deals, they do it when there are no more guarantees on their last deal. Metcalf is only ok’ing a deal to a team that wants to work with him on an extension. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 17, 2024 8:36:20 GMT -5
I referenced Cooper and Diggs, both traded within in the past couple of seasons. Cooper, arguably a better WR in Dallas than Metcalf in Seattle, went for a 5th. Metcalf if traded, is due $13m this season and approx $18m next. Both Dallas and Buffalo were hamstrung by the cap which precipitated these trades, but Diggs as much or more so because he was a malcontent. I see a 5th or so as the trade value for Metcalf, he has no guarantees left on his deal after this season. Players don’t start squawking about a new contract at the end of their last deals, they do it when there are no more guarantees on their last deal. Metcalf is only ok’ing a deal to a team that wants to work with him on an extension. I also referenced Cooper for a 5th. I also referenced extending Metcalf 2 seasons on top of his current 2 |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 17, 2024 15:05:00 GMT -5
I also referenced Cooper for a 5th. I also referenced extending Metcalf 2 seasons on top of his current 2 So why are you also recommending trading a 2nd for Metcalf? |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 17, 2024 16:24:04 GMT -5
I also referenced Cooper for a 5th. I also referenced extending Metcalf 2 seasons on top of his current 2 So why are you also recommending trading a 2nd for Metcalf? 1) because he is making $13m 2) the 2nd is from 2025 |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 18, 2024 1:26:53 GMT -5
I want every WR on the team to be one who can take on the role of bread-and-butter/hig-volume receiver on any game.
That is more Aiyuk than Metcalf.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 22, 2024 4:04:07 GMT -5
I’m not a big fan of trading assets in the 1-2 round on wide receivers who I then have to turn around and pay (and pay big). However I do support that after the 3rd round, or even the third round itself if the receiver is THAT good. Simply because I think the asset (3rd round) dramatically falls off statistically from the second round - and the second round dramatically falls off from the first round. The draft really is very difficult, and a crap shoot due to so many factors…trading an asset for an outstanding player in the 4th round area is A OK in my book, but not the 1-2 round. IMO
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Post by rkarp on Apr 22, 2024 10:37:25 GMT -5
I’m not a big fan of trading assets in the 1-2 round on wide receivers who I then have to turn around and pay (and pay big). However I do support that after the 3rd round, or even the third round itself if the receiver is THAT good. Simply because I think the asset (3rd round) dramatically falls off statistically from the second round - and the second round dramatically falls off from the first round. The draft really is very difficult, and a crap shoot due to so many factors…trading an asset for an outstanding player in the 4th round area is A OK in my book, but not the 1-2 round. IMO it seems you have N'Keal hangover |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 22, 2024 11:57:44 GMT -5
I’m not a big fan of trading assets in the 1-2 round on wide receivers who I then have to turn around and pay (and pay big). However I do support that after the 3rd round, or even the third round itself if the receiver is THAT good. Simply because I think the asset (3rd round) dramatically falls off statistically from the second round - and the second round dramatically falls off from the first round. The draft really is very difficult, and a crap shoot due to so many factors…trading an asset for an outstanding player in the 4th round area is A OK in my book, but not the 1-2 round. IMO I'd trade a 4th for DK Metcalf, at the outside field stretching WR position he is a "#1," whatever the fck that is. I'm not trading and overpaying Aiyuk when they already got a solid comparable guy in KJ Osborne for much cheaper. Having both Osborne and Juju then adding Aiyuk is total redundancy of similar players. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 22, 2024 12:19:40 GMT -5
I’m not a big fan of trading assets in the 1-2 round on wide receivers who I then have to turn around and pay (and pay big). However I do support that after the 3rd round, or even the third round itself if the receiver is THAT good. Simply because I think the asset (3rd round) dramatically falls off statistically from the second round - and the second round dramatically falls off from the first round. The draft really is very difficult, and a crap shoot due to so many factors…trading an asset for an outstanding player in the 4th round area is A OK in my book, but not the 1-2 round. IMO I'd trade a 4th for DK Metcalf, at the outside field stretching WR position he is a "#1," whatever the fck that is. I'm not trading and overpaying Aiyuk when they already got a solid comparable guy in KJ Osborne for much cheaper. Having both Osborne and Juju then adding Aiyuk is total redundancy of similar players. you putting Aiyuk in the same sentence as Osborne and JuJu is asinine |
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Post by freediro on Apr 22, 2024 12:25:54 GMT -5
Aiyuk all day long, way more skills and can block very well. Metcalf has proven to lose his cool way too many times, don’t need that on a young offense.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 22, 2024 12:55:30 GMT -5
you putting Aiyuk in the same sentence as Osborne and JuJu is asinine Juju’s season at 22 years old is better than the best season of Aiyuk’s career. Aiyuk has been in an optimal offensive situation in San Francisco, better than Osborn has ever been in and better than Juju has seen since Ben was his QB and the Steelers were a good team. Receivers are beholden to the QB, blocking and scheme around them… they don’t produce in a vacuum. Learn the game. |
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