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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 19, 2024 13:53:46 GMT -5
Daniels to me, and this is just based on highlights (and the first game of the season last year) is not like Lamar. Much thinner and not as fast or as quick and without the vision (as a runner). He’s a good runner but Lamar is way beyond good as a runner. I could be misremembering, but I’ve never seen Lamar get blown up like Daniels. Even to this day. It almost looks like Daniels is running and forgets where he is at times and then he gets crushed. It’s reminiscent of Brandin Cooks in the Super Bowl. Lamar has slowed down a little recently but he’s still a better runner than Daniels. As a passer, he might be a bit more accurate at this point than Lamar was but Lamar was no slouch at Louisville either. I don’t know, the more I look at these quarterbacks the more I want Joe Alt. “ I don’t know, the more I look at these quarterbacks the more I want Joe Alt. ” I’m with you, but we’re in the minority.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 19, 2024 13:55:04 GMT -5
I don’t get it. But whatever. Maybe NE should have hired a HC who knows how to communicate like an adult.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 19, 2024 18:12:10 GMT -5
Daniels to me, and this is just based on highlights (and the first game of the season last year) is not like Lamar. Much thinner and not as fast or as quick and without the vision (as a runner). He’s a good runner but Lamar is way beyond good as a runner. I could be misremembering, but I’ve never seen Lamar get blown up like Daniels. Even to this day. It almost looks like Daniels is running and forgets where he is at times and then he gets crushed. It’s reminiscent of Brandin Cooks in the Super Bowl. Lamar has slowed down a little recently but he’s still a better runner than Daniels. As a passer, he might be a bit more accurate at this point than Lamar was but Lamar was no slouch at Louisville either. I don’t know, the more I look at these quarterbacks the more I want Joe Alt. Joe Alt's name has been flashing in my head this entire draft cycle.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 19, 2024 20:08:31 GMT -5
Daniels to me, and this is just based on highlights (and the first game of the season last year) is not like Lamar. Much thinner and not as fast or as quick and without the vision (as a runner). He’s a good runner but Lamar is way beyond good as a runner. I could be misremembering, but I’ve never seen Lamar get blown up like Daniels. Even to this day. It almost looks like Daniels is running and forgets where he is at times and then he gets crushed. It’s reminiscent of Brandin Cooks in the Super Bowl. Lamar has slowed down a little recently but he’s still a better runner than Daniels. As a passer, he might be a bit more accurate at this point than Lamar was but Lamar was no slouch at Louisville either. I don’t know, the more I look at these quarterbacks the more I want Joe Alt. I love Alt as a prospect, but we can't pick him at 3. That would be malpractice. If thats the guy the Pats want, they need to trade down to 6 to get him and pick up real good draft picks from the Giants along the way. Otherwise stick at 3 and pick Maye/Daniels.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 19, 2024 20:45:26 GMT -5
Daniels to me, and this is just based on highlights (and the first game of the season last year) is not like Lamar. Much thinner and not as fast or as quick and without the vision (as a runner). He’s a good runner but Lamar is way beyond good as a runner. I could be misremembering, but I’ve never seen Lamar get blown up like Daniels. Even to this day. It almost looks like Daniels is running and forgets where he is at times and then he gets crushed. It’s reminiscent of Brandin Cooks in the Super Bowl. Lamar has slowed down a little recently but he’s still a better runner than Daniels. As a passer, he might be a bit more accurate at this point than Lamar was but Lamar was no slouch at Louisville either. I don’t know, the more I look at these quarterbacks the more I want Joe Alt. I love Alt as a prospect, but we can't pick him at 3. That would be malpractice. If thats the guy the Pats want, they need to trade down to 6 to get him and pick up real good draft picks from the Giants along the way. Otherwise stick at 3 and pick Maye/Daniels. I’m not sure he gets past SD at #5. If there wasn’t three “top QBs” this draft Alt would easily be a top 3-5 pick. If there was no one after Caleb Williams we’d be ecstatic to pick the highest rated LT coming out of college in years. He’s likely the safest pick in this draft. MHJ appears to be pro ready as well. His ceiling may not be the highest but Harrison is going to be a good to great pro for many years barring injury. Same can be said for Joe Alt. If he remains healthy, the guy could fortify the LT spot for the next 5 years at a minimum. The same question remains. Do you feel confident in which ever of the top three QBs available is a can’t miss prospect? They’re not even the top rated prospect for his position and you’re selecting them at #3? To me THAT is malpractice! I don’t, but I do feel confident that Alt starts and plays well from day 1 and the next 5-10 years if the collaboration doesn’t [expletive] it up.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 19, 2024 20:51:59 GMT -5
Daniels to me, and this is just based on highlights (and the first game of the season last year) is not like Lamar. Much thinner and not as fast or as quick and without the vision (as a runner). He’s a good runner but Lamar is way beyond good as a runner. I could be misremembering, but I’ve never seen Lamar get blown up like Daniels. Even to this day. It almost looks like Daniels is running and forgets where he is at times and then he gets crushed. It’s reminiscent of Brandin Cooks in the Super Bowl. Lamar has slowed down a little recently but he’s still a better runner than Daniels. As a passer, he might be a bit more accurate at this point than Lamar was but Lamar was no slouch at Louisville either. I don’t know, the more I look at these quarterbacks the more I want Joe Alt. Joe Alt's name has been flashing in my head this entire draft cycle. I believe you even started a discussion about it. patriotsfans.freeforums.net/thread/14709/2024-nfl-draft
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 19, 2024 21:46:08 GMT -5
Wolf seems pretty happy with BBs guys. Who knew? Well, they weren't all bad or terrible. Some of the problem has always been BB jumping better players to get a player HE wanted.
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Post by jean74 on Apr 19, 2024 22:16:05 GMT -5
You know picking in picks like Tom Brady in the sixth round turned into a blessing in disguise. As get those that are under the radar that could be developing into long haul players. Like the last pick in the draft 2022 Brock Purdy. Need in having quality and healthy and consistent players in the long haul.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 19, 2024 22:43:32 GMT -5
Wolf seems pretty happy with BBs guys. Who knew? Well, they weren't all bad or terrible. Some of the problem has always been BB jumping better players to get a player HE wanted. Yeah. The guy took the Patriots to 9 SBs and won 6 championships. Probably safe to say it worked out pretty well getting the picks that HE wanted. Unbelievable.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 20, 2024 0:07:13 GMT -5
Daniels to me, and this is just based on highlights (and the first game of the season last year) is not like Lamar. Much thinner and not as fast or as quick and without the vision (as a runner). He’s a good runner but Lamar is way beyond good as a runner. I could be misremembering, but I’ve never seen Lamar get blown up like Daniels. Even to this day. It almost looks like Daniels is running and forgets where he is at times and then he gets crushed. It’s reminiscent of Brandin Cooks in the Super Bowl. Lamar has slowed down a little recently but he’s still a better runner than Daniels. As a passer, he might be a bit more accurate at this point than Lamar was but Lamar was no slouch at Louisville either. I don’t know, the more I look at these quarterbacks the more I want Joe Alt. I love Alt as a prospect, but we can't pick him at 3. That would be malpractice. If thats the guy the Pats want, they need to trade down to 6 to get him and pick up real good draft picks from the Giants along the way. Otherwise stick at 3 and pick Maye/Daniels. It’s only malpractice if he can’t play. If he’s a perennial all pro level player nobody will care where he was drafted.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 20, 2024 7:09:32 GMT -5
I love Alt as a prospect, but we can't pick him at 3. That would be malpractice. If thats the guy the Pats want, they need to trade down to 6 to get him and pick up real good draft picks from the Giants along the way. Otherwise stick at 3 and pick Maye/Daniels. It’s only malpractice if he can’t play. If he’s a perennial all pro level player nobody will care where he was drafted. Agree...but...IF you are fielding multiple first round pick offers in a package for #3 overall, and you are not enamored with any of the QBs available there, I think you have to trade down. Not trading down here would be malpractice when you have an opportunity to set the franchise up with multiple starters and fill a lot of holes with quality players (assuming you pick well).
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Post by muzwell on Apr 20, 2024 7:35:36 GMT -5
It’s only malpractice if he can’t play. If he’s a perennial all pro level player nobody will care where he was drafted. Agree...but...IF you are fielding multiple first round pick offers in a package for #3 overall, and you are not enamored with any of the QBs available there, I think you have to trade down. Not trading down here would be malpractice when you have an opportunity to set the franchise up with multiple starters and fill a lot of holes with quality players (assuming you pick well). I’m not trading down if it means settling for the third or fourth best tackle. Other than Minnesota or some team even lower than them, who’s trading up? Maybe they trade up to 6 and then up again to 3? Seems unlikely but who knows?
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Post by patslifer on Apr 20, 2024 8:01:33 GMT -5
Agree...but...IF you are fielding multiple first round pick offers in a package for #3 overall, and you are not enamored with any of the QBs available there, I think you have to trade down. Not trading down here would be malpractice when you have an opportunity to set the franchise up with multiple starters and fill a lot of holes with quality players (assuming you pick well). I’m not trading down if it means settling for the third or fourth best tackle. Other than Minnesota or some team even lower than them, who’s trading up? Maybe they trade up to 6 and then up again to 3? Seems unlikely but who knows? I'm saying IF there is a team willing to trade up with the Pats (like the LV scenario) and the Pats DON'T want to draft any of the top tier QBs this year, then to me the best path is trading out and accumulating more. I'd be good with the 3rd or 4th best tackle, another 1st round pick this year, plus another 1st round pick next year and some 2nds or 3rds. The 3rd or 4th best tackle might be "good enough" and then I end up with another 1st this year that I could grab one of the highly rated WRs or another position of need. Plus I would get another 1 next year. IF there was a team offering multiple 1sts + more it just seems too good to pass up.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 20, 2024 11:38:28 GMT -5
Well, they weren't all bad or terrible. Some of the problem has always been BB jumping better players to get a player HE wanted. Yeah. The guy took the Patriots to 9 SBs and won 6 championships. Probably safe to say it worked out pretty well getting the picks that HE wanted. Unbelievable. thanks Tom Brady! What happened to Belichick when Brady left? Unbelievable.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 20, 2024 11:47:12 GMT -5
Harbaugh trading Herbert to the Patriots for pick 3 to take JJ. 😀
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 20, 2024 14:58:39 GMT -5
I love Alt as a prospect, but we can't pick him at 3. That would be malpractice. If thats the guy the Pats want, they need to trade down to 6 to get him and pick up real good draft picks from the Giants along the way. Otherwise stick at 3 and pick Maye/Daniels. It’s only malpractice if he can’t play. If he’s a perennial all pro level player nobody will care where he was drafted. It's not just about how good a prospect is, or if you want him or not. It's about knowing the board and what other teams around the league value and the knowledge that the top 3 picks are guaranteed to be QB. If ARZ trades out of 4, that means someone moved up for McCarthy, another QB. If AZ stays at 4, then the pick is MHJ, who has been the heavy favorite there for the entire process. The EARLIEST Alt could go is pick 5, but after the Chargers traded Keenan Allen and released Mike Williams, they will be looking for WR help most likely. Which means Malik Nabers. That's why I suggested number 6, because the Giants will be interested in the QBs and you can get Alt WHILE picking up extremely valuable draft picks. Its GMing 101. That's why I said it was malpractice. If you just stick and pick Alt at 3, then you wasted an opportunity to maximize the value there.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 20, 2024 15:04:19 GMT -5
I love Alt as a prospect, but we can't pick him at 3. That would be malpractice. If thats the guy the Pats want, they need to trade down to 6 to get him and pick up real good draft picks from the Giants along the way. Otherwise stick at 3 and pick Maye/Daniels. I’m not sure he gets past SD at #5. If there wasn’t three “top QBs” this draft Alt would easily be a top 3-5 pick. If there was no one after Caleb Williams we’d be ecstatic to pick the highest rated LT coming out of college in years. He’s likely the safest pick in this draft. MHJ appears to be pro ready as well. His ceiling may not be the highest but Harrison is going to be a good to great pro for many years barring injury. Same can be said for Joe Alt. If he remains healthy, the guy could fortify the LT spot for the next 5 years at a minimum. The same question remains. Do you feel confident in which ever of the top three QBs available is a can’t miss prospect? They’re not even the top rated prospect for his position and you’re selecting them at #3? To me THAT is malpractice! I don’t, but I do feel confident that Alt starts and plays well from day 1 and the next 5-10 years if the collaboration doesn’t [expletive] it up. In other drafts, as has been stated by many, Maye would've been the number 1 pick if Caleb wasn't in his class. Daniels is a dynamic player with the potential to be one of the most electric players at that position we've seen. So yes, I think they're worth picking at 3. JJM is another story. Again, I'm not against picking Alt if thats who they want, I think he's going to be a great LT and aside from QB, that's the biggest need on the team. But there are multiple teams if not more that are willing to trade you significant assets to move up to pick a QB at 3 and getting those picks will be extremely important to helping rebuild the offense. It's possible the Chargers could draft Alt, but I don't believe they will because they traded Keenan Allen and released Mike Williams in March. They need an X receiver. That's Malik Nabers or MHJ. So that's why I think Alt will be there at 6.
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Post by digger0862 on Apr 20, 2024 15:16:58 GMT -5
It’s only malpractice if he can’t play. If he’s a perennial all pro level player nobody will care where he was drafted. It's not just about how good a prospect is, or if you want him or not. It's about knowing the board and what other teams around the league value and the knowledge that the top 3 picks are guaranteed to be QB. If ARZ trades out of 4, that means someone moved up for McCarthy, another QB. If AZ stays at 4, then the pick is MHJ, who has been the heavy favorite there for the entire process. The EARLIEST Alt could go is pick 5, but after the Chargers traded Keenan Allen and released Mike Williams, they will be looking for WR help most likely. Which means Malik Nabers. That's why I suggested number 6, because the Giants will be interested in the QBs and you can get Alt WHILE picking up extremely valuable draft picks. Its GMing 101. That's why I said it was malpractice. If you just stick and pick Alt at 3, then you wasted an opportunity to maximize the value there. What if maximizing the value results in passing up a stud to gain two jags? That is more likely to happen than not.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 20, 2024 15:21:36 GMT -5
It's not just about how good a prospect is, or if you want him or not. It's about knowing the board and what other teams around the league value and the knowledge that the top 3 picks are guaranteed to be QB. If ARZ trades out of 4, that means someone moved up for McCarthy, another QB. If AZ stays at 4, then the pick is MHJ, who has been the heavy favorite there for the entire process. The EARLIEST Alt could go is pick 5, but after the Chargers traded Keenan Allen and released Mike Williams, they will be looking for WR help most likely. Which means Malik Nabers. That's why I suggested number 6, because the Giants will be interested in the QBs and you can get Alt WHILE picking up extremely valuable draft picks. Its GMing 101. That's why I said it was malpractice. If you just stick and pick Alt at 3, then you wasted an opportunity to maximize the value there. What if maximizing the value results in passing up a stud to gain two jags? That is more likely to happen than not. Your still getting the stud in this case. But your getting the stud + other picks. Stud + other picks vs just the stud. Seems pretty obvious to me.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 20, 2024 15:34:31 GMT -5
I think Maye will be our QB unless they pass. I think washington goes with Daniels.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 20, 2024 15:50:32 GMT -5
I think Maye will be our QB unless they pass. I think washington goes with Daniels. That's what it feels like to me too.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 20, 2024 15:55:05 GMT -5
I think Maye will be our QB unless they pass. I think washington goes with Daniels. That's what it feels like to me too. I wonder if they prefer one over the other or they like them both. We brung in McAdoo as QB guru. Wonder who he likes.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 20, 2024 16:33:50 GMT -5
Of course they are open to offers. Someone wants to give them a ridiculous deal, they'll do it. All the teams are open to offers. Thats very different than making offers or shopping your pick. while I too at first was thinking a trade back for additional picks was a good move, I am now thinking it would take a triple ridiculous offer for the team to not draft a QB. I believe they stay at #3 and pick a QB You only pick a quarterback - the guy viewed as only the third best in the draft class - if you firmly believe that he is The Guy. You don't use the 3rd overall pick to gamble on a project. As we saw with the Jests in 2021 with Zach Wilson - you can't whiff on such a high pick and thus do nothing to improve the team. Take a look at the damage that the Wilson pick did to Jests. It led to desperate measures in the form of sacrificing the future in exchange for building around a 40 year old quarterback. Does anyone really believe that this is a good plan? How much does Rodgers have left - a year maybe? And then, they ate back at the drawing board, looking for their ever elusive franchise quarterback. The Patriots have scores of holes on the offensive side of the ball besides quarterback. LT is a must, as is finding a top notch WR. If the quarterback is not there, don't take one just to appease the fans or the media. Go in the best direction to rebuild the offense from the ground up.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 20, 2024 16:50:43 GMT -5
That's what it feels like to me too. I wonder if they prefer one over the other or they like them both. We brung in McAdoo as QB guru. Wonder who he likes. Before this past week, I thought most likely based on the rumors (IF at all true) that the Pats had Maye at the top of their board with JJM 2nd and Daniels 3rd. Now after Schrager, Curran and Fowler all said we like Daniels and Maye the most I guess it's Maye and Daniels both pretty equal. But it's still smokescreen season so we may all be being bamboozled for all we know lol. I like Daniels the most as a player, but I think Maye has the highest ceiling and probably fits AVP's offense the most.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 20, 2024 17:35:31 GMT -5
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