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Post by DaPatriots on May 21, 2024 19:12:33 GMT -5
Strange has done next to nothing. He makes Tyquan look like Iron Man! What are YOU talking about? You call starting the third most snaps on offense as a rookie and developing into a very good player the second half of that season as “doing nothing.” Granted Tyquan relies on the coordinator, offensive line and the QB to do his job well… but Strange has been great when healthy. That is news to me. I'll try to play closer attention
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Post by Wozzy on May 21, 2024 19:19:37 GMT -5
That is news to me. I'll try to play closer attention Here’s a good breakdown of Cole’s rookie season, titled: Film Room: Why Cole Strange DOMINATED in the 2nd Half of his Rookie Year It’s almost 20 minutes long and provides a lot of video evidence that proves he was more than just average. If someone is a legitimate Patriots fan and wants what’s best for the team they want Strange to make a full recovery and come back. There’s a bunch of yahoos who hate taking a guard at the very end of the first round, there’s other yahoos that just want to kvetch about BB draft picks… he’s a great player when healthy.
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Post by paulk on May 21, 2024 19:30:05 GMT -5
It's true that lots of players were injured last year. We can't be sure that this was the fault of the head strength and conditioning coach, Moses Cabrera, but Cabrera was kicked to the curb this past offseason. Coaches are hired to win, and Cabrera apparently didn't produce.
I note three new hires in the strength and conditioning department, boosting the staff to four people. Kraft promised to upgrade the bad weight training facilities in Foxboro.
Mayo's brother Deron Mayo got a bump up. He's been too much of an underling around here to catch the majority of the blame for the injuries.
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Post by texaspat on May 22, 2024 0:02:44 GMT -5
They probably knew this(his injury status) going into the draft and hence the IOL pickup. Simple as that. It was allegedly a severe injury and that can take more time post surgery. If they knew that he had injury concerns, why was he drafted in the first round? What I remember about him was that a knock on him was that he needed work on his lower body, and needed to add "sand in his pants". Why spend a first round pick on a project? As y'all know, I've been pretty vigorous in my defense of Bill Belichick. That said, I hated the top 2 picks he made in that 2022 draft when they were made. One guy needed to strengthen his lower body - and the other, WR Tyquan Thorton, was a bean pole. Besides the fiasco with Matt Patricia and Joe Judge, it was the 2022 draft, the selection of Oil Can Harry with the 32nd pick in 2019, the failed reach of a selection of Isaiah Wynn at #23 overall in 2018, the Mac Jones failure, and the abysmal decision to let Jakobi Meyers walk and replace him with damaged goods JuJu - all of which contributed to Bill's downfall. Really - how did the team doctors not see that JuJu's knee wasn't close to 100%? Is it bad luck, a coincidence, or a bad job of the medical evaluators and trainers that have been at least somewhat responsible for the consistent injuries that their top draft picks have suffered? Gonzo gets hurt in 2023, Strange and Thornton have been dealing with injuries seemingly since the day they were drafted, Barmore blossoming into a top DT has been slowed due to consistent, nagging injuries, Oil Can Harry, besides sucking, got hurt during the 2019 preseason, and Wynn, selected in 2018, was constantly dealing with injuries. Should the Patriots chalk it up to bad luck, or is it time for a wholesale change of their doctors who evaluate injuries and perform physicals of players to be drafted and potential free agents? Is it time to focus on better trainers to direct their players on staying in tip-top shape?
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Post by mthurl on May 22, 2024 3:20:24 GMT -5
So, the “highlights” were from the senior bowl. You know, the ones where Strange is tossed around like a rag doll…and then drafted in the first and laughed at nationally. That’s my point, he never should have been drafted that high, and he has done nothing to prove his draft standing since (despite two plays over a two year career cherry picked by you). Sorry. Oh, and there are more than plenty draft reports mentioning his build and lack of functional core strength. Those people know more than you, sorry.
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Post by mthurl on May 22, 2024 3:24:25 GMT -5
That is news to me. I'll try to play closer attention Here’s a good breakdown of Cole’s rookie season, titled: Film Room: Why Cole Strange DOMINATED in the 2nd Half of his Rookie Year It’s almost 20 minutes long and provides a lot of video evidence that proves he was more than just average. If someone is a legitimate Patriots fan and wants what’s best for the team they want Strange to make a full recovery and come back. There’s a bunch of yahoos who hate taking a guard at the very end of the first round, there’s other yahoos that just want to kvetch about BB draft picks… he’s a great player when healthy. Here we go…saying people aren’t true Patriot fans and we aren’t rooting for Strange. Laughable. Big difference between not wanting a mid round guard selected in round one, over not wanting to see him succeed and recover from injury. My lord. Find other ways to defend Bill Belichick’s draft picks…it’s going to be a long long defense for you, don’t dive that deep yet, there’s plenty of time.
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Post by mthurl on May 22, 2024 3:34:08 GMT -5
You call starting the third most snaps on offense as a rookie and developing into a very good player the second half of that season as “doing nothing.” Granted Tyquan relies on the coordinator, offensive line and the QB to do his job well… but Strange has been great when healthy. That is news to me. I'll try to play closer attention That’s a lot of cherry picked news for all of us. Does that mean that Cole Strange (a first round pick) played the “third most snaps” for a rookie on the Patriots? Or the entire league? Because that’s a huge difference. Because playing the “third most snaps” for a rookie on offense for our team, on our poor like (as a first round pick) vs. playing the third most snaps in the entire league is completely different and cherry picked. Our offense sucked, anyone getting the third most snaps is not some huge accomplishment. That’s like saying a pedestrian moved faster than Tyreek Hill, when THAT pedestrian was dropped out an airplane without a parachute. Only in wooz land does a guard selected in the first round achieve pro bowl status for just going out on the field and playing, with no context about how he actually performed (aside from cherry picking a few meaningless highlights from those “third most snaps”). Welcome to wooz speak, a place where the cherries are picked all day, in every season. Ripe or not.
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Post by Wozzy on May 22, 2024 7:01:20 GMT -5
So, the “highlights” were from the senior bowl. You know, the ones where Strange is tossed around like a rag doll…and then drafted in the first and laughed at nationally. That’s my point, he never should have been drafted that high, and he has done nothing to prove his draft standing since (despite two plays over a two year career cherry picked by you). Sorry. Oh, and there are more than plenty draft reports mentioning his build and lack of functional core strength. Those people know more than you, sorry. You posted a tweet with one rep from a one on one drill where the defender always have a decided advantage... the entire point of the drill. And he didn't get tossed around at all. We get it, BB took a guard and that really bothered you...
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Post by Wozzy on May 22, 2024 7:03:19 GMT -5
Here we go…saying people aren’t true Patriot fans and we aren’t rooting for Strange. Laughable. Big difference between not wanting a mid round guard selected in round one, over not wanting to see him succeed and recover from injury. My lord. Find other ways to defend Bill Belichick’s draft picks…it’s going to be a long long defense for you, don’t dive that deep yet, there’s plenty of time. No, I didn't say you weren't a true Pat's fan, I said you had an agenda, a bias... and that matters more than moving on with your life now that Bill's gone. But sure, after a season and a half Strange is clearly a bust.... laughable.
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Post by Wozzy on May 22, 2024 7:06:37 GMT -5
That’s a lot of cherry picked news for all of us. Does that mean that Cole Strange (a first round pick) played the “third most snaps” for a rookie on the Patriots? Or the entire league? Because that’s a huge difference. Because playing the “third most snaps” for a rookie on offense for our team, on our poor like (as a first round pick) vs. playing the third most snaps in the entire league is completely different and cherry picked. Our offense sucked, anyone getting the third most snaps is not some huge accomplishment. That’s like saying a pedestrian moved faster than Tyreek Hill, when THAT pedestrian was dropped out an airplane without a parachute. Only in wooz land does a guard selected in the first round achieve pro bowl status for just going out on the field and playing, with no context about how he actually performed (aside from cherry picking a few meaningless highlights from those “third most snaps”). Welcome to wooz speak, a place where the cherries are picked all day, in every season. Ripe or not. No context... just a twenty minute video breaking down his rookie season and showing how he developed into a dominant player the second half of the year. No doubt you watched it... nope. Your mind is made up already, but you'll say you don't have an agenda... predictable. The bad man is gone, you can move on with your life.
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Post by muzwell on May 22, 2024 7:33:47 GMT -5
They probably knew this(his injury status) going into the draft and hence the IOL pickup. Simple as that. It was allegedly a severe injury and that can take more time post surgery. If they knew that he had injury concerns, why was he drafted in the first round? What I remember about him was that a knock on him was that he needed work on his lower body, and needed to add "sand in his pants". Why spend a first round pick on a project? As y'all know, I've been pretty vigorous in my defense of Bill Belichick. That said, I hated the top 2 picks he made in that 2022 draft when they were made. One guy needed to strengthen his lower body - and the other, WR Tyquan Thorton, was a bean pole. Besides the fiasco with Matt Patricia and Joe Judge, it was the 2022 draft, the selection of Oil Can Harry with the 32nd pick in 2019, the failed reach of a selection of Isaiah Wynn at #23 overall in 2018, the Mac Jones failure, and the abysmal decision to let Jakobi Meyers walk and replace him with damaged goods JuJu - all of which contributed to Bill's downfall. Really - how did the team doctors not see that JuJu's knee wasn't close to 100%? Is it bad luck, a coincidence, or a bad job of the medical evaluators and trainers that have been at least somewhat responsible for the consistent injuries that their top draft picks have suffered? Gonzo gets hurt in 2023, Strange and Thornton have been dealing with injuries seemingly since the day they were drafted, Barmore blossoming into a top DT has been slowed due to consistent, nagging injuries, Oil Can Harry, besides sucking, got hurt during the 2019 preseason, and Wynn, selected in 2018, was constantly dealing with injuries. Should the Patriots chalk it up to bad luck, or is it time for a wholesale change of their doctors who evaluate injuries and perform physicals of players to be drafted and potential free agents? Is it time to focus on better trainers to direct their players on staying in tip-top shape? I think you misunderstood Low’s comment about Strange’s injury status. He wasn’t referring to when he was drafted. As for injuries generally, all this anecdotal information is fine but unless you’re comparing it to every other team in the league and breaking it down by the type of injury (soft tissue vs fractures vs ligaments and what not) and by causes then it’s not particularly meaningful. It’s just venting. I’d also like it compared to teams that play on grass. That would seem to be the first thing to do but I ain’t holding my breath.
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Post by DaPatriots on May 22, 2024 7:54:51 GMT -5
That is news to me. I'll try to play closer attention That’s a lot of cherry picked news for all of us. Does that mean that Cole Strange (a first round pick) played the “third most snaps” for a rookie on the Patriots? Or the entire league? Because that’s a huge difference. Because playing the “third most snaps” for a rookie on offense for our team, on our poor like (as a first round pick) vs. playing the third most snaps in the entire league is completely different and cherry picked. Our offense sucked, anyone getting the third most snaps is not some huge accomplishment. That’s like saying a pedestrian moved faster than Tyreek Hill, when THAT pedestrian was dropped out an airplane without a parachute. Only in wooz land does a guard selected in the first round achieve pro bowl status for just going out on the field and playing, with no context about how he actually performed (aside from cherry picking a few meaningless highlights from those “third most snaps”). Welcome to wooz speak, a place where the cherries are picked all day, in every season. Ripe or not. I like it. Wooz land. Maybe it should be called Wozziland. Like Swasiland. Lol Cherry 🍒 🥧 for everyone!
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on May 22, 2024 9:16:56 GMT -5
Not very different according to what metric? Cole Strange has been about a league average player, and plays most snaps when healthy... which isn't exactly what you want in Rd 1, but Tyquan Thornton has done next to nothing in two seasons. Strange has done next to nothing. He makes Tyquan look like Iron Man! What are YOU talking about? Like I said, Strange would be on the field almost every snap if he was healthy, and played 93+% of the snaps as a rookie (53% in and injury filled 2nd season... but he again would've been over 90+% if healthy). Tyquan has played 50% and 21% of the snaps respectively, how does that make him an iron man? Not to mention that he's a fringe roster player, who's contributed next to nothing. I don't see how he's "not very different" from Strange.
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Post by wonderdrums on May 22, 2024 11:10:09 GMT -5
They probably knew this(his injury status) going into the draft and hence the IOL pickup. Simple as that. It was allegedly a severe injury and that can take more time post surgery. If they knew that he had injury concerns, why was he drafted in the first round? What I remember about him was that a knock on him was that he needed work on his lower body, and needed to add "sand in his pants". Why spend a first round pick on a project? As y'all know, I've been pretty vigorous in my defense of Bill Belichick. That said, I hated the top 2 picks he made in that 2022 draft when they were made. One guy needed to strengthen his lower body - and the other, WR Tyquan Thorton, was a bean pole. Besides the fiasco with Matt Patricia and Joe Judge, it was the 2022 draft, the selection of Oil Can Harry with the 32nd pick in 2019, the failed reach of a selection of Isaiah Wynn at #23 overall in 2018, the Mac Jones failure, and the abysmal decision to let Jakobi Meyers walk and replace him with damaged goods JuJu - all of which contributed to Bill's downfall. Really - how did the team doctors not see that JuJu's knee wasn't close to 100%? Is it bad luck, a coincidence, or a bad job of the medical evaluators and trainers that have been at least somewhat responsible for the consistent injuries that their top draft picks have suffered? Gonzo gets hurt in 2023, Strange and Thornton have been dealing with injuries seemingly since the day they were drafted, Barmore blossoming into a top DT has been slowed due to consistent, nagging injuries, Oil Can Harry, besides sucking, got hurt during the 2019 preseason, and Wynn, selected in 2018, was constantly dealing with injuries. Should the Patriots chalk it up to bad luck, or is it time for a wholesale change of their doctors who evaluate injuries and perform physicals of players to be drafted and potential free agents? Is it time to focus on better trainers to direct their players on staying in tip-top shape? Why spend a first round pick on a project? Weren’t you on board with the Drake Maye pick? How is one project selected in the first round acceptable and one isn’t?
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Post by texaspat on May 22, 2024 11:21:29 GMT -5
If they knew that he had injury concerns, why was he drafted in the first round? What I remember about him was that a knock on him was that he needed work on his lower body, and needed to add "sand in his pants". Why spend a first round pick on a project? As y'all know, I've been pretty vigorous in my defense of Bill Belichick. That said, I hated the top 2 picks he made in that 2022 draft when they were made. One guy needed to strengthen his lower body - and the other, WR Tyquan Thorton, was a bean pole. Besides the fiasco with Matt Patricia and Joe Judge, it was the 2022 draft, the selection of Oil Can Harry with the 32nd pick in 2019, the failed reach of a selection of Isaiah Wynn at #23 overall in 2018, the Mac Jones failure, and the abysmal decision to let Jakobi Meyers walk and replace him with damaged goods JuJu - all of which contributed to Bill's downfall. Really - how did the team doctors not see that JuJu's knee wasn't close to 100%? Is it bad luck, a coincidence, or a bad job of the medical evaluators and trainers that have been at least somewhat responsible for the consistent injuries that their top draft picks have suffered? Gonzo gets hurt in 2023, Strange and Thornton have been dealing with injuries seemingly since the day they were drafted, Barmore blossoming into a top DT has been slowed due to consistent, nagging injuries, Oil Can Harry, besides sucking, got hurt during the 2019 preseason, and Wynn, selected in 2018, was constantly dealing with injuries. Should the Patriots chalk it up to bad luck, or is it time for a wholesale change of their doctors who evaluate injuries and perform physicals of players to be drafted and potential free agents? Is it time to focus on better trainers to direct their players on staying in tip-top shape? I think you misunderstood Low’s comment about Strange’s injury status. He wasn’t referring to when he was drafted. As for injuries generally, all this anecdotal information is fine but unless you’re comparing it to every other team in the league and breaking it down by the type of injury (soft tissue vs fractures vs ligaments and what not) and by causes then it’s not particularly meaningful. It’s just venting. I’d also like it compared to teams that play on grass. That would seem to be the first thing to do but I ain’t holding my breath. The Patriots are having too many injury problems. I don't believe it can be chalked up to just bad luck. It's either mistakes made when drafting (a players medical history is or should be taken into consideration), or in their training regimen. The Ju-Ju thing from last year really pissed me off. How did their medical staff miss the condition of his knee? Seems inexcusable to me.
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Post by mthurl on May 22, 2024 18:26:18 GMT -5
That’s a lot of cherry picked news for all of us. Does that mean that Cole Strange (a first round pick) played the “third most snaps” for a rookie on the Patriots? Or the entire league? Because that’s a huge difference. Because playing the “third most snaps” for a rookie on offense for our team, on our poor like (as a first round pick) vs. playing the third most snaps in the entire league is completely different and cherry picked. Our offense sucked, anyone getting the third most snaps is not some huge accomplishment. That’s like saying a pedestrian moved faster than Tyreek Hill, when THAT pedestrian was dropped out an airplane without a parachute. Only in wooz land does a guard selected in the first round achieve pro bowl status for just going out on the field and playing, with no context about how he actually performed (aside from cherry picking a few meaningless highlights from those “third most snaps”). Welcome to wooz speak, a place where the cherries are picked all day, in every season. Ripe or not. No context... just a twenty minute video breaking down his rookie season and showing how he developed into a dominant player the second half of the year. No doubt you watched it... nope. Your mind is made up already, but you'll say you don't have an agenda... predictable. The bad man is gone, you can move on with your life. You mentioned the “third most snaps” as a rookie. That’s cherry picking. And now we have a 20 minute video showing how he developed into a dominant player? That’s what Cole Strange is now? Dominant? I’m glad we have that video!! Problem solved! Cole Strange is dominant! Tell the pro bowl! Tell Jim Nagy! Hell, tell Kraft so he can hire Bill back! Oh, but the way…Jim Nagy had a starting NFL guard grade on Layden Robinson coming out of senior bowl week…calling him big, talented, strong hands, athletic enough to carry the play outside in an outside zone Shanahan style running game. Called him a real bargain in the fourth round (probably where we should have drafted Cole Strange). Thought you should know seeing as how you didn’t think highly of Robinson over draft weekend…figure you might change your mind after draft genius Jim Nagy praised him. Oh, another thing Nagy said…the Patriots drafted some receivers that can get separation, and that they haven’t drafted a receivers that can separate in a long time. You must hate Jim Nagy🤣🤣
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Post by Wozzy on May 22, 2024 19:20:45 GMT -5
You mentioned the “third most snaps” as a rookie. That’s cherry picking. And now we have a 20 minute video showing how he developed into a dominant player? That’s what Cole Strange is now? Dominant? I’m glad we have that video!! Problem solved! Cole Strange is dominant! Tell the pro bowl! Tell Jim Nagy! Hell, tell Kraft so he can hire Bill back! Oh, but the way…Jim Nagy had a starting NFL guard grade on Layden Robinson coming out of senior bowl week…calling him big, talented, strong hands, athletic enough to carry the play outside in an outside zone Shanahan style running game. Called him a real bargain in the fourth round (probably where we should have drafted Cole Strange). Thought you should know seeing as how you didn’t think highly of Robinson over draft weekend…figure you might change your mind after draft genius Jim Nagy praised him. Saying Strange played the third most offensive snaps on the team and started every game as a rookie is cherry picking... okay... if you say so. And yeah, you would hate 20 minutes of video evidence... but your two second tweet clip of Strange at the Senior Bowl is proof he sucked... laughable. Nagy said Strange was a high second round pick at the latest and told Patriots fans not to falsely judge him like they did when they said Duggar was a crappy draft pick. And no, I gave Layden Robinson an incomplete grade as he only managed a partial workout versus Cole Strange whose workout resembled Tarzan's. I also stated that Robinson was pretty fast and mobile and might make a very good player after a year in the strength program... this was a total guess since he didn't lift. He might be ridiculously strong and able to start right away, I just doubt it... I didn't call him "bad" at any point... just light. My complete draft thoughts are complied here: patriotsfans.freeforums.net/thread/15293/thoughts-on-2024-nep-draftGo back over them again if you want, so you don't have to misrepresent what I said.
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Post by jean74 on May 22, 2024 19:43:50 GMT -5
Hope you guys can and will really find and figure out over in the getting back to winning here. Well new coaching staff and new era of winning with a new QB!
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Post by mthurl on May 23, 2024 3:37:32 GMT -5
You mentioned the “third most snaps” as a rookie. That’s cherry picking. And now we have a 20 minute video showing how he developed into a dominant player? That’s what Cole Strange is now? Dominant? I’m glad we have that video!! Problem solved! Cole Strange is dominant! Tell the pro bowl! Tell Jim Nagy! Hell, tell Kraft so he can hire Bill back! Oh, but the way…Jim Nagy had a starting NFL guard grade on Layden Robinson coming out of senior bowl week…calling him big, talented, strong hands, athletic enough to carry the play outside in an outside zone Shanahan style running game. Called him a real bargain in the fourth round (probably where we should have drafted Cole Strange). Thought you should know seeing as how you didn’t think highly of Robinson over draft weekend…figure you might change your mind after draft genius Jim Nagy praised him. Saying Strange played the third most offensive snaps on the team and started every game as a rookie is cherry picking... okay... if you say so. And yeah, you would hate 20 minutes of video evidence... but your two second tweet clip of Strange at the Senior Bowl is proof he sucked... laughable. Nagy said Strange was a high second round pick at the latest and told Patriots fans not to falsely judge him like they did when they said Duggar was a crappy draft pick. And no, I gave Layden Robinson an incomplete grade as he only managed a partial workout versus Cole Strange whose workout resembled Tarzan's. I also stated that Robinson was pretty fast and mobile and might make a very good player after a year in the strength program... this was a total guess since he didn't lift. He might be ridiculously strong and able to start right away, I just doubt it... I didn't call him "bad" at any point... just light. My complete draft thoughts are complied here: patriotsfans.freeforums.net/thread/15293/thoughts-on-2024-nep-draftGo back over them again if you want, so you don't have to misrepresent what I said. I didn’t say you said he was “bad”, I said you didn’t think highly of him. You said they overdrafted him in the 4th round. Meanwhile I’m saying Cole Strange shouldn’t have been drafted in the first round, and now I’m a mean Bill Belichick basher. Ridiculous. “Also a guy with long arms and wingspan, also a guy who’s fast but at 302 pounds you expect him to be faster than the 330 pound monsters. He also had a good not great shuttle so he has some mobility. He didn’t bench… again why, a strong guy wants to show it off and both of these drafted lineman don’t weigh nearly enough for their respective positions. And again, maybe he’s really really strong and for some reason didn’t want to bench, maybe he’s a really great technician and can be a good undersized guard at this next level… a Josh Kline… I doubt it. Both of these lineman in year’s past were typical athletes they would have taken from the 5th round on… projects.” In one paragraph you criticized his speed for size ratio, questioned his strength, compared him to Josh Kline (and doubted he could reach that level), called him an undersized guard that would have been drafted in the fifth round or later. I would say that is “not thinking highly” of someone, no? Meanwhile your buddy Nagy graded him as a starter and bargain in the fourth. So again, Coke Strange was drafted in the first, he shouldn’t have been…he has done NOTHING to warrant his draft status in two years heading into three. And now it’s personal to you because Bill Belichick overdrafted and reached at a level that it became a standing national joke (literally).
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Post by rkarp on May 23, 2024 5:14:48 GMT -5
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Post by Wozzy on May 23, 2024 8:58:53 GMT -5
I didn’t say you said he was “bad”, I said you didn’t think highly of him. You said they overdrafted him in the 4th round. Meanwhile I’m saying Cole Strange shouldn’t have been drafted in the first round, and now I’m a mean Bill Belichick basher. Ridiculous. “Also a guy with long arms and wingspan, also a guy who’s fast but at 302 pounds you expect him to be faster than the 330 pound monsters. He also had a good not great shuttle so he has some mobility. He didn’t bench… again why, a strong guy wants to show it off and both of these drafted lineman don’t weigh nearly enough for their respective positions. And again, maybe he’s really really strong and for some reason didn’t want to bench, maybe he’s a really great technician and can be a good undersized guard at this next level… a Josh Kline… I doubt it. Both of these lineman in year’s past were typical athletes they would have taken from the 5th round on… projects.” In one paragraph you criticized his speed for size ratio, questioned his strength, compared him to Josh Kline (and doubted he could reach that level), called him an undersized guard that would have been drafted in the fifth round or later. I would say that is “not thinking highly” of someone, no? Meanwhile your buddy Nagy graded him as a starter and bargain in the fourth. So again, Coke Strange was drafted in the first, he shouldn’t have been… he has done NOTHING to warrant his draft status in two years heading into three. And now it’s personal to you because Bill Belichick overdrafted and reached at a level that it became a standing national joke (literally). Admit it, Cole Strange was irrelevant... you just hated that BB traded back in the first then had the gall to take a guard. People had a similar reaction when he took Logan Mankins at the end of the first round... Kiper ripped into him along with the rest of the national media and fans. Fans hate taking a guard in the first after they've waited for hours to see what the team would do. Your second paragraph is baloney, Strange played really well his rookie year, especially for a rookie. He had some hiccups early on, just like Solder and other rookie starters they drafted, then he put it all together and played great the last 8 games of that season. Even last year in the turmoil and mess he was a stabilizing force if only for a short time, this while playing on an already injured knee. Nobody outside of Patriot nation thinks about Cole Strange in the least... you people will hang on his draft pick for a decade or more, even if he gets healthy and has a long successful career. He's played a year and a half, he got hurt, it happens... get over it.
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Post by rkarp on May 23, 2024 9:25:28 GMT -5
Perullo has watched Strange every game played and some at practice; I agree that the multiple draft picks being spent on interior linemen over the past two years is likely an indication that the coaching staff isn't sold on the current starters. The guard positions (assuming Mike Onwenu remains at right tackle, as he indicated recently) haven't been solidified and the overall performance of the offensive line in general hasn't been up to par. So, it's a pretty good bet that Eliot Wolf and the coaches are trying to add some competition to the mix and aren't sold on any of the options just yet – including Strange. But in the short term I feel the concern with Strange is more about his health and when he'll be ready to go physically. He injured his knee on December 18 and may not be fully ready to go at the start of training camp, or even into the season. To be fair he also hasn't played as well as the coaches would like, which is evidenced by the fact that he was in and out of the lineup at various times during his two seasons. So, adding Robinson and veteran Nick Leverett, to go along with Sidy Sow, Atonio Mafi and Jake Andrews from last year's draft, provides some competition for those guard spots. Let the best players emerge through training camp, and if Strange is ready to be part of that competition, then that makes it an even stronger field. If Strange isn't good enough to be one of the guards, I find it tough to think he'd be a better option at center, but players switch positions all the time so I wouldn't rule it out. I feel like it's an issue with his size and play strength, and while that can be mitigated to an extent at center I still feel if he's not good enough to beat out the competition at guard then I would think there would be a better option at center as well.Perullo couldn’t even get his facts straight. Strange hasn’t been “in and out of the lineup the last two years.” He was pulled in a learning moment as a rookie and played exceptionally well the final 8 games of the season. He started every game and played the third most offensive snaps on the offense. Beyond that he’s never been pulled, he left the game last season due to injury. The notion that he has played poorly since his hiccups as a rookie is baloney. David Andrews said he was playing the best football of his career when he got injured. funny how you label "benched" a "learning moment"
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Post by rkarp on May 23, 2024 9:29:45 GMT -5
I didn’t say you said he was “bad”, I said you didn’t think highly of him. You said they overdrafted him in the 4th round. Meanwhile I’m saying Cole Strange shouldn’t have been drafted in the first round, and now I’m a mean Bill Belichick basher. Ridiculous. “Also a guy with long arms and wingspan, also a guy who’s fast but at 302 pounds you expect him to be faster than the 330 pound monsters. He also had a good not great shuttle so he has some mobility. He didn’t bench… again why, a strong guy wants to show it off and both of these drafted lineman don’t weigh nearly enough for their respective positions. And again, maybe he’s really really strong and for some reason didn’t want to bench, maybe he’s a really great technician and can be a good undersized guard at this next level… a Josh Kline… I doubt it. Both of these lineman in year’s past were typical athletes they would have taken from the 5th round on… projects.” In one paragraph you criticized his speed for size ratio, questioned his strength, compared him to Josh Kline (and doubted he could reach that level), called him an undersized guard that would have been drafted in the fifth round or later. I would say that is “not thinking highly” of someone, no? Meanwhile your buddy Nagy graded him as a starter and bargain in the fourth. So again, Coke Strange was drafted in the first, he shouldn’t have been… he has done NOTHING to warrant his draft status in two years heading into three. And now it’s personal to you because Bill Belichick overdrafted and reached at a level that it became a standing national joke (literally). Admit it, Cole Strange was irrelevant... you just hated that BB traded back in the first then had the gall to take a guard. People had a similar reaction when he took Logan Mankins at the end of the first round... Kiper ripped into him along with the rest of the national media and fans. Fans hate taking a guard in the first after they've waited for hours to see what the team would do. Your second paragraph is baloney, Strange played really well his rookie year, especially for a rookie. He had some hiccups early on, just like Solder and other rookie starters they drafted, then he put it all together and played great the last 8 games of that season. Even last year in the turmoil and mess he was a stabilizing force if only for a short time, this while playing on an already injured knee. Nobody outside of Patriot nation thinks about Cole Strange in the least... you people will hang on his draft pick for a decade or more, even if he gets healthy and has a long successful career. He's played a year and a half, he got hurt, it happens... get over it. I could give two shits where he was drafted nor who drafted him I have posted often that he does not suck, but he is an average NFL OG and given his age, he does not have a whole lot of upside. this team could use some solid OL players and regardless if they are starters or reserves, they are valuable. no one wants to see injury. I hope Strange comes back asap and is a contributor to the OL. many believe he will be passed by, and thought as much regardless of injury. time will tell. but you ranting a poster "hates" a player because of who drafted him and when is foolish.
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Post by Wozzy on May 23, 2024 9:31:54 GMT -5
funny how you label "benched" a "learning moment" When "benched" lasted all of five minutes and he started every game afterwards and played great... yeah, learning moment. When a kid does something wrong, you pull him aside and show him the right way. Onwenu got benched in 2021 for Ted Karras, as a sophomore, and he just signed the largest offensive line contract on this team. Does he suck? These are kids coming directly out of college, there is an element of player development involved. Learn the game.
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Post by Wozzy on May 23, 2024 9:37:07 GMT -5
I could give two shits where he was drafted nor who drafted him I have posted often that he does not suck, but he is an average NFL OG and given his age, he does not have a whole lot of upside. this team could use some solid OL players and regardless if they are starters or reserves, they are valuable. no one wants to see injury. I hope Strange comes back asap and is a contributor to the OL. many believe he will be passed by, and thought as much regardless of injury. time will tell. but you ranting a poster "hates" a player because of who drafted him and when is foolish. Oh bullsht... you've have a hard-on to fire any and every player who has even a whiff of BB stink on him. Every player they drafted or acquired this offseason is magical, wonderful... but Strange, Mapu, Marcus Jones... these guys are all in danger of being cut or not talented enough. Please... you're the biggest BB hater here and have been for decades. If Strange's career ends because of a debilitating knee injury, then that was the cause... not because he wasn't a good player. Even average players can scratch out a ten year career as a backup or even a starter on bad teams. Taking glee in the injury of a Patriot player on his rookie contract simply because BB drafted him... a new low, but not surprising for you.
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