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Post by texaspat on May 21, 2024 10:34:46 GMT -5
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Post by salcon on May 21, 2024 10:59:03 GMT -5
Well, I had a lot of faith in this kid and do think he's a very good guard when healthy. But, you're not helping the team if you're not on the field and that's disappointing. I know a lot of the disappointment is due to where he was drafted but that's not a problem for me. Health is the issue here. By the time he's able to take the field (from the way it sounds) he may miss close to a full season or more including what he missed last season. Not good.
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Post by digger0862 on May 21, 2024 11:20:35 GMT -5
Medical science ranks just above voodoo in the soft sciences.
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Post by rkarp on May 21, 2024 11:33:24 GMT -5
Strange when drafted needed to get bigger and stronger that was the negative about him, along with his level of competition. his technique, work ethic, takes to coaching all great perhaps his body cannot carry such
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Post by Wozzy on May 21, 2024 11:48:29 GMT -5
Strange when drafted needed to get bigger and stronger that was the negative about him, along with his level of competition. his technique, work ethic, takes to coaching all great perhaps his body cannot carry such This ^ is made up nonsense… Strange benched it 31 times at the combine, he was one of the strongest guy’s there. Then there was video of him squatting over 600 pounds… laughable. “He’s putting up some very scary numbers,” Hampton said. “On that squat pattern, I believe it was like 620 [pounds] with a safety squat bar we were using. I believe his best bench ever was around 465. Power-cleaned, I believe that was in the 400s. He definitely checks the boxes from that strength side.” www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2022/05/19/new-england-patriots-cole-stranges-athletic-ability-wows-nfl-draft-combine/9836201002/Strange injured his knee leaving camp, he played on the injured knee then got leg whipped later in the season on the same injured knee. Nobody can predict injury.
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Post by lowfbiq on May 21, 2024 12:07:42 GMT -5
They probably knew this(his injury status) going into the draft and hence the IOL pickup. Simple as that. It was allegedly a severe injury and that can take more time post surgery.
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Post by Wozzy on May 21, 2024 12:11:05 GMT -5
They probably knew this(his injury status) going into the draft and hence the IOL pickup. Simple as that. It was allegedly a severe injury and that can take more time post surgery. Strange tried to walk off the field after the injury and the staff insisted he take the cart so it must have been bad.
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Post by mthurl on May 21, 2024 12:20:21 GMT -5
Strange when drafted needed to get bigger and stronger that was the negative about him, along with his level of competition. his technique, work ethic, takes to coaching all great perhaps his body cannot carry such He struggled in drills during senior bowl week, seeming to get handled a bit. Woozz loves to post bench press numbers, that doesn’t account for everything…size being one, training with steroids being another (to help your bench and overall muscled up size). He looks like a jacked up undersized guard. Not saying that’s why he’s hurt, I’m saying he shouldn’t have been drafted where they took him.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on May 21, 2024 12:34:17 GMT -5
Strange when drafted needed to get bigger and stronger that was the negative about him, along with his level of competition. his technique, work ethic, takes to coaching all great perhaps his body cannot carry such This ^ is made up nonsense… Strange benched it 31 times at the combine, he was one of the strongest guy’s there. Then there was video of him squatting over 600 pounds… laughable. “He’s putting up some very scary numbers,” Hampton said. “On that squat pattern, I believe it was like 620 [pounds] with a safety squat bar we were using. I believe his best bench ever was around 465. Power-cleaned, I believe that was in the 400s. He definitely checks the boxes from that strength side.” www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2022/05/19/new-england-patriots-cole-stranges-athletic-ability-wows-nfl-draft-combine/9836201002/Strange injured his knee leaving camp, he played on the injured knee then got leg whipped later in the season on the same injured knee. Nobody can predict injury. I would add that weight room strength doesn't necessarily = play strength... and his scouting reports mention a need to gain size and strength (play & core, etc.). Of course that's all up to the eye of the evaluator.
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Post by DaPatriots on May 21, 2024 12:54:59 GMT -5
Well, I had a lot of faith in this kid and do think he's a very good guard when healthy. But, you're not helping the team if you're not on the field and that's disappointing. I know a lot of the disappointment is due to where he was drafted but that's not a problem for me. Health is the issue here. By the time he's able to take the field (from the way it sounds) he may miss close to a full season or more including what he missed last season. Not good. He is not very different from Tyquan except a lot more draft capital was spent on him. Maybe his body can't hold up to NFL punishment.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on May 21, 2024 13:25:27 GMT -5
Well, I had a lot of faith in this kid and do think he's a very good guard when healthy. But, you're not helping the team if you're not on the field and that's disappointing. I know a lot of the disappointment is due to where he was drafted but that's not a problem for me. Health is the issue here. By the time he's able to take the field (from the way it sounds) he may miss close to a full season or more including what he missed last season. Not good. He is not very different from Tyquan except a lot more draft capital was spent on him. Maybe his body can't hold up to NFL punishment. Not very different according to what metric? Cole Strange has been about a league average player, and plays most snaps when healthy... which isn't exactly what you want in Rd 1, but Tyquan Thornton has done next to nothing in two seasons.
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Post by rkarp on May 21, 2024 13:33:05 GMT -5
This ^ is made up nonsense… Strange benched it 31 times at the combine, he was one of the strongest guy’s there. Then there was video of him squatting over 600 pounds… laughable. “He’s putting up some very scary numbers,” Hampton said. “On that squat pattern, I believe it was like 620 [pounds] with a safety squat bar we were using. I believe his best bench ever was around 465. Power-cleaned, I believe that was in the 400s. He definitely checks the boxes from that strength side.” www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2022/05/19/new-england-patriots-cole-stranges-athletic-ability-wows-nfl-draft-combine/9836201002/Strange injured his knee leaving camp, he played on the injured knee then got leg whipped later in the season on the same injured knee. Nobody can predict injury. I would add that weight room strength doesn't necessarily = play strength... and his scouting reports mention a need to gain size and strength (play & core, etc.). Of course that's all up to the eye of the evaluator. from day 1 with the Pats, Strange was oft over powered. the repoorts on him were needs to get bigger and stronger, regardless of Wozzy's complaining facts remain, he is perpetually injured
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Post by muzwell on May 21, 2024 13:51:02 GMT -5
Strange was 6’5 307 when he was drafted. Probably 10 lbs or so heavier now after a couple years in the league. Caedan Wallace is 6’5 314. He’s our new LT.
Just for kicks, Shaq Mason was 6’1 300 and Joe Thuney was 6’5 304.
He’s not too small or on steroids. He hurt his knee. Shit happens.
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Post by ATJ on May 21, 2024 14:31:51 GMT -5
Strange is still recovering from a severe injury. I get it.
Next IOL up.
If Strange can and does contribute this year so much the better. If he cannot then he cannot.
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Post by Wozzy on May 21, 2024 16:23:26 GMT -5
He struggled in drills during senior bowl week, seeming to get handled a bit. Woozz loves to post bench press numbers, that doesn’t account for everything…size being one, training with steroids being another (to help your bench and overall muscled up size). He looks like a jacked up undersized guard. Not saying that’s why he’s hurt, I’m saying he shouldn’t have been drafted where they took him. Internet forums... the only place a 620 pound squat and 31 reps of 225 on a bench doesn't equate to "strength."This must be based on Terrence Howard's math. Here's a good article highlighting Cole Strange's exceptional Senior Bowl showing including quotes from Jim Nagy who runs the thing... but yeah, he struggled. Two things, Pats fans: 1) majority of teams we spoke w/ had second round grades on Cole Strange; 2) the dude can play. Immediate Day 1 starter at OG & eventual high-end replacement for Andrews at OC. Don’t make same mistake you made bashing Kyle Dugger pick. - Jim Nagy www.patspulpit.com/2022/4/29/23048005/cole-strange-first-round-new-england-patriots-senior-bowl-2022-nfl-draftBut we get it, you didn't want a guard with the almost last pick in the first round.
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Post by DaPatriots on May 21, 2024 16:47:14 GMT -5
He is not very different from Tyquan except a lot more draft capital was spent on him. Maybe his body can't hold up to NFL punishment. Not very different according to what metric? Cole Strange has been about a league average player, and plays most snaps when healthy... which isn't exactly what you want in Rd 1, but Tyquan Thornton has done next to nothing in two seasons. Strange has done next to nothing. He makes Tyquan look like Iron Man! What are YOU talking about?
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Post by Wozzy on May 21, 2024 17:34:58 GMT -5
Strange has done next to nothing. He makes Tyquan look like Iron Man! What are YOU talking about? You call starting the third most snaps on offense as a rookie and developing into a very good player the second half of that season as “doing nothing.” Granted Tyquan relies on the coordinator, offensive line and the QB to do his job well… but Strange has been great when healthy.
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Post by rkarp on May 21, 2024 17:53:56 GMT -5
reportedly mid season is an optimistic timeline for Strange. if it's his patella, could be all season or worse.
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Post by rkarp on May 21, 2024 18:01:44 GMT -5
He struggled in drills during senior bowl week, seeming to get handled a bit. Woozz loves to post bench press numbers, that doesn’t account for everything…size being one, training with steroids being another (to help your bench and overall muscled up size). He looks like a jacked up undersized guard. Not saying that’s why he’s hurt, I’m saying he shouldn’t have been drafted where they took him. Internet forums... the only place a 620 pound squat and 31 reps of 225 on a bench doesn't equate to "strength."This must be based on Terrence Howard's math. Here's a good article highlighting Cole Strange's exceptional Senior Bowl showing including quotes from Jim Nagy who runs the thing... but yeah, he struggled. Two things, Pats fans: 1) majority of teams we spoke w/ had second round grades on Cole Strange; 2) the dude can play. Immediate Day 1 starter at OG & eventual high-end replacement for Andrews at OC. Don’t make same mistake you made bashing Kyle Dugger pick. - Jim Nagy www.patspulpit.com/2022/4/29/23048005/cole-strange-first-round-new-england-patriots-senior-bowl-2022-nfl-draftBut we get it, you didn't want a guard with the almost last pick in the first round. Perullo has watched Strange every game played and some at practice; I agree that the multiple draft picks being spent on interior linemen over the past two years is likely an indication that the coaching staff isn't sold on the current starters. The guard positions (assuming Mike Onwenu remains at right tackle, as he indicated recently) haven't been solidified and the overall performance of the offensive line in general hasn't been up to par. So, it's a pretty good bet that Eliot Wolf and the coaches are trying to add some competition to the mix and aren't sold on any of the options just yet – including Strange. But in the short term I feel the concern with Strange is more about his health and when he'll be ready to go physically. He injured his knee on December 18 and may not be fully ready to go at the start of training camp, or even into the season. To be fair he also hasn't played as well as the coaches would like, which is evidenced by the fact that he was in and out of the lineup at various times during his two seasons. So, adding Robinson and veteran Nick Leverett, to go along with Sidy Sow, Atonio Mafi and Jake Andrews from last year's draft, provides some competition for those guard spots. Let the best players emerge through training camp, and if Strange is ready to be part of that competition, then that makes it an even stronger field. If Strange isn't good enough to be one of the guards, I find it tough to think he'd be a better option at center, but players switch positions all the time so I wouldn't rule it out. I feel like it's an issue with his size and play strength, and while that can be mitigated to an extent at center I still feel if he's not good enough to beat out the competition at guard then I would think there would be a better option at center as well.
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Post by wonderdrums on May 21, 2024 18:04:45 GMT -5
The board is divided on this guy. Personally I’d like to see him be healthy. As a fan it’s easy to tear the guy down when he hasn’t performed to expectations, but I can’t overlook the fact that he’s still on the roster despite the injuries. They must see something there. It’s not draft status because they’ve already let other players of similar status go.
The guy is 25 years old. If he can get his health together he should be a decent player moving forward. They don’t need players to be superstars. They just need to be reliable and consistent.
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Post by mthurl on May 21, 2024 18:12:39 GMT -5
He struggled in drills during senior bowl week, seeming to get handled a bit. Woozz loves to post bench press numbers, that doesn’t account for everything…size being one, training with steroids being another (to help your bench and overall muscled up size). He looks like a jacked up undersized guard. Not saying that’s why he’s hurt, I’m saying he shouldn’t have been drafted where they took him. Internet forums... the only place a 620 pound squat and 31 reps of 225 on a bench doesn't equate to "strength."This must be based on Terrence Howard's math. Here's a good article highlighting Cole Strange's exceptional Senior Bowl showing including quotes from Jim Nagy who runs the thing... but yeah, he struggled. Two things, Pats fans: 1) majority of teams we spoke w/ had second round grades on Cole Strange; 2) the dude can play. Immediate Day 1 starter at OG & eventual high-end replacement for Andrews at OC. Don’t make same mistake you made bashing Kyle Dugger pick. - Jim Nagy www.patspulpit.com/2022/4/29/23048005/cole-strange-first-round-new-england-patriots-senior-bowl-2022-nfl-draftBut we get it, you didn't want a guard with the almost last pick in the first round. Tell Jim Nagy to watch this and explain how that “31 reps of 225 on a bench” transcends to the football field. I once benched 225 twenty-seven times after one week of creatine loading, imagine what I could do after three months on a cycle of D-Bol…maybe I could get drafted in the first? youtu.be/2iz8DiqikUI?si=DcG8D1bCXxQ1lKIN
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on May 21, 2024 18:27:52 GMT -5
They probably knew this(his injury status) going into the draft and hence the IOL pickup. Simple as that. It was allegedly a severe injury and that can take more time post surgery. Yeah I had a bad feeling about Strange when they picked yet another interior lineman in the middle of the draft. Hopefully Robinson can actually be consistently in the lineup
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on May 21, 2024 18:32:11 GMT -5
The board is divided on this guy. Personally I’d like to see him be healthy. As a fan it’s easy to tear the guy down when he hasn’t performed to expectations, but I can’t overlook the fact that he’s still on the roster despite the injuries. They must see something there. It’s not draft status because they’ve already let other players of similar status go. The guy is 25 years old. If he can get his health together he should be a decent player moving forward. They don’t need players to be superstars. They just need to be reliable and consistent. I still hate where we picked him, and it felt llke a desperation pick more than an actual best player available pick. I think he's a good kid and works hard, but I just don't believe he had a very high ceiling to begin with and if they really wanted a guard they should've stuck with Shaq another year and drafted McDuffie at 21. Now you factor in his injuries and I just don't see him likely being on the team in a year or 2. Its too bad.
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Post by Wozzy on May 21, 2024 19:03:21 GMT -5
Perullo has watched Strange every game played and some at practice; I agree that the multiple draft picks being spent on interior linemen over the past two years is likely an indication that the coaching staff isn't sold on the current starters. The guard positions (assuming Mike Onwenu remains at right tackle, as he indicated recently) haven't been solidified and the overall performance of the offensive line in general hasn't been up to par. So, it's a pretty good bet that Eliot Wolf and the coaches are trying to add some competition to the mix and aren't sold on any of the options just yet – including Strange. But in the short term I feel the concern with Strange is more about his health and when he'll be ready to go physically. He injured his knee on December 18 and may not be fully ready to go at the start of training camp, or even into the season. To be fair he also hasn't played as well as the coaches would like, which is evidenced by the fact that he was in and out of the lineup at various times during his two seasons. So, adding Robinson and veteran Nick Leverett, to go along with Sidy Sow, Atonio Mafi and Jake Andrews from last year's draft, provides some competition for those guard spots. Let the best players emerge through training camp, and if Strange is ready to be part of that competition, then that makes it an even stronger field. If Strange isn't good enough to be one of the guards, I find it tough to think he'd be a better option at center, but players switch positions all the time so I wouldn't rule it out. I feel like it's an issue with his size and play strength, and while that can be mitigated to an extent at center I still feel if he's not good enough to beat out the competition at guard then I would think there would be a better option at center as well.Perullo couldn’t even get his facts straight. Strange hasn’t been “in and out of the lineup the last two years.” He was pulled in a learning moment as a rookie and played exceptionally well the final 8 games of the season. He started every game and played the third most offensive snaps on the offense. Beyond that he’s never been pulled, he left the game last season due to injury. The notion that he has played poorly since his hiccups as a rookie is baloney. David Andrews said he was playing the best football of his career when he got injured.
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Post by Wozzy on May 21, 2024 19:11:13 GMT -5
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