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Post by thejuice on Oct 21, 2024 16:02:35 GMT -5
I am fine with someone saying, 'Mayo is young, new to the position, new structure around him. I don't like what I am seeing, but am willing to wait and see where we are on Jan 1 before I flip out.' That is OK in my book. To say anything other than the rookie QB is a positive going forward, is denial or agenda driven. The team building in the off season was bad, and notably penny pinching. Name any new player that has noticeably improved the roster besides Maye and Slay. They spent their money bringing everyone back, and the FAs from outside at best are just duplicating the play of the ones they didn't sign or cut. The coaching has been subpar. Name any player that is playing better than they did last year other than guys that were injured. Because basically this is last year's team with new coaches. Is the discipline and locker room better even without JK/Mayo's subversion and Mac being canned. Doesn't look so to me. Is the team image around the league improved with the kinder, gentler, more open approach? Is actual W/L record better? Is the defense or offense better? And don't mention injuries, because last year was the same type of MASH unit. So what you’re saying is, that even when so many people her thought it could never get any worse than last year, it’s now worse than last year, right? |
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 21, 2024 16:15:47 GMT -5
I am fine with someone saying, 'Mayo is young, new to the position, new structure around him. I don't like what I am seeing, but am willing to wait and see where we are on Jan 1 before I flip out.' That is OK in my book. To say anything other than the rookie QB is a positive going forward, is denial or agenda driven. The team building in the off season was bad, and notably penny pinching. Name any new player that has noticeably improved the roster besides Maye and Slay. They spent their money bringing everyone back, and the FAs from outside at best are just duplicating the play of the ones they didn't sign or cut. The coaching has been subpar. Name any player that is playing better than they did last year other than guys that were injured. Because basically this is last year's team with new coaches. Is the discipline and locker room better even without JK/Mayo's subversion and Mac being canned. Doesn't look so to me. Is the team image around the league improved with the kinder, gentler, more open approach? Is actual W/L record better? Is the defense or offense better? And don't mention injuries, because last year was the same type of MASH unit. So what you’re saying is, that even when so many people her thought it could never get any worse than last year, it’s now worse than last year, right? There is a bullshit narrative out there that says you can't improve from where you were as a starting point, you have to regress further before you can move forward lol. Of course, nobody actually said those exact words. That is however, what some have insinuated. |
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Post by ucmiami on Oct 21, 2024 16:27:23 GMT -5
Season ticket sales/renewals being way down is the only thing that might spur changes. Probably not, but if it gets any worse…I doubt that was part of Bob’s vision. The claim that there’s some sort of waiting list will be tested this offseason. Personally, if I wanted to see clowns I’d just wait for the Ringling Brothers to come to town. I think if the Patriots don't win 4 games and the media begin mocking management and coaches, the Kraft's would make a move after this season even if the sales/renewals were fine.
Kraft is all about respect and reputation. He didn't worry about TB12 leaving until TB12 won a SB, then he got jealous and angry.
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Post by jri37 on Oct 21, 2024 16:40:06 GMT -5
Season ticket sales/renewals being way down is the only thing that might spur changes. Probably not, but if it gets any worse…I doubt that was part of Bob’s vision. The claim that there’s some sort of waiting list will be tested this offseason. Personally, if I wanted to see clowns I’d just wait for the Ringling Brothers to come to town. I think if the Patriots don't win 4 games and the media begin mocking management and coaches, the Kraft's would make a move after this season even if the sales/renewals were fine.
Kraft is all about respect and reputation. He didn't worry about TB12 leaving until TB12 won a SB, then he got jealous and angry.
Getting to 4 will be tough. They have Tenn, Mia and Ariz as maybe winnable games. |
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Post by DaPatriots on Oct 21, 2024 17:26:20 GMT -5
So what you’re saying is, that even when so many people her thought it could never get any worse than last year, it’s now worse than last year, right? There is a bullshit narrative out there that says you can't improve from where you were as a starting point, you have to regress further before you can move forward lol. Of course, nobody actually said those exact words. That is however, what some have insinuated. Just before a tidal wave, the tide withdraws. We are in the tide withdrawing phase this season. We are losing to build momentum and a tidal wave of new talent. |
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 21, 2024 17:40:35 GMT -5
There is a bullshit narrative out there that says you can't improve from where you were as a starting point, you have to regress further before you can move forward lol. Of course, nobody actually said those exact words. That is however, what some have insinuated. Just before a tidal wave, the tide withdraws. We are in the tide withdrawing phase this season. We are losing to build momentum and a tidal wave of new talent. Is that Swahili for "we're tanking"? |
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 21, 2024 19:02:56 GMT -5
There is a bullshit narrative out there that says you can't improve from where you were as a starting point, you have to regress further before you can move forward lol. Of course, nobody actually said those exact words. That is however, what some have insinuated. Just before a tidal wave, the tide withdraws. We are in the tide withdrawing phase this season. We are losing to build momentum and a tidal wave of new talent. Well, DaPatriots, nice philosophy and all, but what makes you think this organization has anything going for it other than a super old owner who let Brady walk and fired Belichick, the greatest defensive coach of all time?...to me the future looks pretty bleak... I am on to hoops...see you over on the Celtic board...season starts tomorrow!... |
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2024 19:06:32 GMT -5
Just before a tidal wave, the tide withdraws. We are in the tide withdrawing phase this season. We are losing to build momentum and a tidal wave of new talent. Not if they're incompetent at finding talent... nice haiku though. |
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Post by thejuice on Oct 21, 2024 19:15:31 GMT -5
I think if the Patriots don't win 4 games and the media begin mocking management and coaches, the Kraft's would make a move after this season even if the sales/renewals were fine.
Kraft is all about respect and reputation. He didn't worry about TB12 leaving until TB12 won a SB, then he got jealous and angry.
Getting to 4 will be tough. They have Tenn, Mia and Ariz as maybe winnable games. miami with tua back really isnt a winnable game |
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Post by jri37 on Oct 21, 2024 19:19:33 GMT -5
Getting to 4 will be tough. They have Tenn, Mia and Ariz as maybe winnable games. miami with tua back really isnt a winnable game 1-16 is kinda looking realistic unfortunately. |
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Post by thejuice on Oct 21, 2024 19:21:14 GMT -5
miami with tua back really isnt a winnable game 1-16 is kinda looking realistic unfortunately. yup. i do think theyll somehow manage to win 1 more game. and kraft will keep mayo another year. the only chance hes gone at the end of the year is if they end up losing 16 straight. even then i bet he gives him one more year. |
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Post by jri37 on Oct 21, 2024 19:25:09 GMT -5
1-16 is kinda looking realistic unfortunately. yup. i do think theyll somehow manage to win 1 more game. and kraft will keep mayo another year. the only chance hes gone at the end of the year is if they end up losing 16 straight. even then i bet he gives him one more year. Rod Rust went 1-15 and got canned rightfully so. If Mayo goes 1-16 and the end of the year looks like yesterday bringing him back would be a tough look to the fan base. |
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Post by thejuice on Oct 21, 2024 19:33:42 GMT -5
yup. i do think theyll somehow manage to win 1 more game. and kraft will keep mayo another year. the only chance hes gone at the end of the year is if they end up losing 16 straight. even then i bet he gives him one more year. Rod Rust went 1-15 and got canned rightfully so. If Mayo goes 1-16 and the end of the year looks like yesterday bringing him back would be a tough look to the fan base. agreed. but were not talking about the bob kraft of 10 years ago. anything is possible with him nowadays. in fact i am much much much more confident that when given the choice these days, hes going to make the wrong one most of the time |
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 21, 2024 19:57:15 GMT -5
Rod Rust went 1-15 and got canned rightfully so. If Mayo goes 1-16 and the end of the year looks like yesterday bringing him back would be a tough look to the fan base. agreed. but were not talking about the bob kraft of 10 years ago. anything is possible with him nowadays. in fact i am much much much more confident that when given the choice these days, hes going to make the wrong one most of the time Kraft looks lost when they show him on TV... |
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Post by lioneljoe on Oct 21, 2024 20:05:45 GMT -5
I think if the Patriots don't win 4 games and the media begin mocking management and coaches, the Kraft's would make a move after this season even if the sales/renewals were fine.
Kraft is all about respect and reputation. He didn't worry about TB12 leaving until TB12 won a SB, then he got jealous and angry.
Getting to 4 will be tough. They have Tenn, Mia and Ariz as maybe winnable games. I’m not sure that we will win again this season. |
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Post by lioneljoe on Oct 21, 2024 20:07:44 GMT -5
1-16 is kinda looking realistic unfortunately. yup. i do think theyll somehow manage to win 1 more game. and kraft will keep mayo another year. the only chance hes gone at the end of the year is if they end up losing 16 straight. even then i bet he gives him one more year. Yes, because Mayo is “like son to him.” |
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Post by DaPatriots on Oct 21, 2024 20:14:39 GMT -5
Just before a tidal wave, the tide withdraws. We are in the tide withdrawing phase this season. We are losing to build momentum and a tidal wave of new talent. Is that Swahili for "we're tanking"? I don't get the reference, but to state the obvious...YES, WE'RE TANKING!!! Why else do you trade Judon? Why else don't you hire Adam Peters? Why else do you start Jacoby Brissette? Why else do you NOT...BURN SOME CASH? |
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Post by wonderdrums on Oct 21, 2024 20:14:50 GMT -5
I am fine with someone saying, 'Mayo is young, new to the position, new structure around him. I don't like what I am seeing, but am willing to wait and see where we are on Jan 1 before I flip out.' That is OK in my book. To say anything other than the rookie QB is a positive going forward, is denial or agenda driven. The team building in the off season was bad, and notably penny pinching. Name any new player that has noticeably improved the roster besides Maye and Slay. They spent their money bringing everyone back, and the FAs from outside at best are just duplicating the play of the ones they didn't sign or cut. The coaching has been subpar. Name any player that is playing better than they did last year other than guys that were injured. Because basically this is last year's team with new coaches. Is the discipline and locker room better even without JK/Mayo's subversion and Mac being canned. Doesn't look so to me. Is the team image around the league improved with the kinder, gentler, more open approach? Is actual W/L record better? Is the defense or offense better? And don't mention injuries, because last year was the same type of MASH unit. So what you’re saying is, that even when so many people her thought it could never get any worse than last year, it’s now worse than last year, right? We all knew it would be. To say otherwise is just lying to yourself. I try to be as optimistic as the next guy but this years team was a train wreck before it even left the (collaboration) station. Personally, I’ve eased the sting of watching their ineptitude by having zero expectations but it really doesn’t make it any better. The team has jumped right back to Victor Kiam levels of terrible. Dare I say they’ve somehow exceeded my zero expectations. Sure the stadium is nicer, but the product is the same as before. Now I feel we’re stuck with waiting for the “squish the fish” anomaly that occurs once a decade again. |
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 21, 2024 20:15:48 GMT -5
The collaboration...  |
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Post by DaPatriots on Oct 21, 2024 20:16:50 GMT -5
miami with tua back really isnt a winnable game 1-16 is kinda looking realistic unfortunately. "Unfortunately " more like "Thankfully ". |
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Post by jri37 on Oct 21, 2024 20:27:44 GMT -5
1-16 is kinda looking realistic unfortunately. "Unfortunately " more like "Thankfully ". For Maye learning how to win is important in the developmental process. They aren’t going to win many but they need to at least be competitive so Maye has a chance at the end of games. They don’t need the #1 pick and they aren’t good enough to make it out of the top 5. I originally thought 6 wins best case 4 most likely, now 4 would be a major achievement 2 most likely. |
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Post by tg19pats on Oct 22, 2024 10:39:02 GMT -5
Those are some interesting points; I never expected a good team this year and I believe the win against the Bengals hurt the process. if the Bengals had blown us out Maye would have started earlier. Mayo needs to make up his mind about how he wants to coach this team. Saying they are playing soft should force him to coach toughness. know one who followed the patriots expected this defense to be as good as when Bill left. at this point, I begin sitting the repeat offenders and giving the back end of the roster more opportunities. Take the rest of this season and see if we have any diamonds in the rough. lets bring up Baker and Harris, try out any offensive linemen who have not played yet. we know Maye can play QB, lets answer some more questions. as for the Celtics post, cannot wait to watch them tonight.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 23, 2024 13:18:57 GMT -5
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Post by ucmiami on Oct 23, 2024 13:46:56 GMT -5
There is a bullshit narrative out there that says you can't improve from where you were as a starting point, you have to regress further before you can move forward lol. Of course, nobody actually said those exact words. That is however, what some have insinuated. Just before a tidal wave, the tide withdraws. We are in the tide withdrawing phase this season. We are losing to build momentum and a tidal wave of new talent. Or, to use your metaphor, we are about to be buried under an overwhelming wall of onrushing water and left in a pitiful tangle of broken bits if detritus. Most tidal waves are not benign nor things to be anticipated! |
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Post by fanonymous on Oct 24, 2024 11:08:01 GMT -5
The defensive difficulties are the most concerning in my view, because it was supposed to be a strength that they could lean on throughout the season to at least keep them competitive.
Needing to move on from Judon, then losing Barmore & Bentley to injury and finally the unexpected situation with Peppers has seriously crippled this group with no "fix" in sight.
On the offensive side of the ball, substituting Maye for Brissett is clearly an early season upgrade even if it was not the "plan".
Questionable off-season decisions wrt the O-line have been responsible for hampering the development of the playmakers, regardless of anyone's opinion on their potential.
Changes to this positional group hold the only hope of "fixing" the current state of affairs, so perhaps we should consider what we might see unfold during the final ten games that could lead to some improved success. Getting guys healthy and increased experience can help provide a "fix" for this team weakness, but an influx of talent in the off-season is the real answer - this year we find out who the "keepers" are among the following.
LT : Lowe & Jacobs???
LG : Sow & Strange???
C : Brown & Strange???
RG : Robinson & Jordan???
RT : Onwenu & Wallace???
what think ye? any potential for some degree of optimism here???
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