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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 6:29:58 GMT -5
I really question if you watch these games. From the OL was good in game 2, to the secondary did it's job against the Jets are you watching the game out of a strip club? They had Jones and Butler playing man up. Harmon/Chung doubled up whoever have Julio. Bad played mainly underneath coverage in a man but had help over top from McCourty if Bad's man went further than 10yrds. It's very similar to the style they played last year with Ryan which was not a zone cover 2. It might look like a cover 2 from the stands because they look very similar but roles are completely different. The key give away is does the CB drop coverage on a cross field pattern or do they stick with their man? Almost all game on cross field routes the CBs stuck with their WR and Butler stayed downfield the entire way. Harmon/Chung only picked up Julio when he went deeper than 7yrds doubling up coverage and McCourty only picked up Bad's guy when he went 10yrds at that point Bad didn't drop back into a zone but stayed underneath coverage on his game trailing. This only changing going into the 4th where you saw a drop into zone in the 7-15yrd range with cover 2 deep to limit any plays over 15yrds per chunk I did not say the played cover 2 exclusively. I said rthey played it the majority. When Ryan started to scramble/run, the D dictates that the defenders immediately switch to playing straight up man, so some plays they start out cover 2, and switch mid play to manyou may have seen Jones playing man. but Jones played 19 of 57 defensive snaps...like I said, for the most part, they were in cover 2 Again either you got confused or didn't watch the game because they didn't play it majority. That statement, seriously you don't ever start zone and switch to man in the middle of the play! No body in their right mind would ever do that, heck you extremely rarely do that presnap. Most of the times coaches call TO if they want to switch out. Dude you're about to reach China I'd stop digging
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 6:58:24 GMT -5
I did not say the played cover 2 exclusively. I said rthey played it the majority. When Ryan started to scramble/run, the D dictates that the defenders immediately switch to playing straight up man, so some plays they start out cover 2, and switch mid play to manyou may have seen Jones playing man. but Jones played 19 of 57 defensive snaps...like I said, for the most part, they were in cover 2 Again either you got confused or didn't watch the game because they didn't play it majority. That statement, seriously you don't ever start zone and switch to man in the middle of the play! No body in their right mind would ever do that, heck you extremely rarely do that presnap. Most of the times coaches call TO if they want to switch out. Dude you're about to reach China I'd stop digging Pats Eng. Please. you are out of your element. This defense coaches that if a QB scrambles/runs, that the defensive backfield is to man up you can also choose to ignore the facts that DMC was on the field for 57 snaps and Harmon for 50 snaps, and they were mostly in cover 2. Butler and Jones predominantly played against a specific WR not a left or right side, but even though they lined up against that man, they released to the deep S most of the game. I would peg a percent from memory (I have no snap count numbers) that the 2nd half the team was in cover 2 almost the entire half. the first half I would say 50% of the defensive snaps they were in cover 2...that was from my vantage point
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 24, 2017 7:01:10 GMT -5
This game may have been the coming out party for what could be a dominating D. Was there a better offense to showcase a dominating performance than against the Falcons? True, this is only one game, but, this is the third game in a row in which we saw improved defensive performance. I think it was a coming out party for a D that can be good. I'll need to see it for a few more games before I'll go further than that. I'm usually concerned with the one metric that matters, points, and last night was very good on that front, as was the last few games.
But when I think of really dominant defensive efforts, I'm thinking multiple turnovers, lots of pressure, stopping the run - on top of few points allowed. For now I'll settle for a clean game, no confussion, no blown coverages, playing with intensity and speed. That's what we got, and if they can sustain it, it could be good enough.
True, one real good game does not necessarily translate to a season long improvement. The good thing is there has been steady improvement over the last few games and that is good instead of what could be a fluke game.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 7:11:31 GMT -5
I think it was a coming out party for a D that can be good. I'll need to see it for a few more games before I'll go further than that. I'm usually concerned with the one metric that matters, points, and last night was very good on that front, as was the last few games.
But when I think of really dominant defensive efforts, I'm thinking multiple turnovers, lots of pressure, stopping the run - on top of few points allowed. For now I'll settle for a clean game, no confussion, no blown coverages, playing with intensity and speed. That's what we got, and if they can sustain it, it could be good enough.
True, one real good game does not necessarily translate to a season long improvement. The good thing is there has been steady improvement over the last few games and that is good instead of what could be a fluke game. no, but over the last 3 games the team is giving up on average 12 points per game this offense should be putting up 30 plus per game. perhaps the offense red zone performance is more cause for concern? this D needs to keep the opposition to 17 points or less, and they will be fine. 3 games in a row mission accomplished. on to the Chargers.
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 24, 2017 7:16:03 GMT -5
True, one real good game does not necessarily translate to a season long improvement. The good thing is there has been steady improvement over the last few games and that is good instead of what could be a fluke game. no, but over the last 3 games the team is giving up on average 12 points per game this offense should be putting up 30 plus per game. perhaps the offense red zone performance is more cause for concern? this D needs to keep the opposition to 17 points or less, and they will be fine. 3 games in a row mission accomplished. on to the Chargers. rkarp, I was referring to the defensive improvement. Since you brought up the offense, yes, there are some concerns why an offense that was chugging along scoring at a 30+ point per game clip suddenly can't break 30 these last three games. It is not like they've been playing stellar defenses. A combination of untimely penalties and head scratching play calling seems to be slowing the offense now.
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 7:24:36 GMT -5
Again either you got confused or didn't watch the game because they didn't play it majority. That statement, seriously you don't ever start zone and switch to man in the middle of the play! No body in their right mind would ever do that, heck you extremely rarely do that presnap. Most of the times coaches call TO if they want to switch out. Dude you're about to reach China I'd stop digging Pats Eng. Please. you are out of your element. This defense coaches that if a QB scrambles/runs, that the defensive backfield is to man up you can also choose to ignore the facts that DMC was on the field for 57 snaps and Harmon for 50 snaps, and they were mostly in cover 2. Butler and Jones predominantly played against a specific WR not a left or right side, but even though they lined up against that man, they released to the deep S most of the game. I would peg a percent from memory (I have no snap count numbers) that the 2nd half the team was in cover 2 almost the entire half. the first half I would say 50% of the defensive snaps they were in cover 2...that was from my vantage point I played as a S in college (BC) and after injury as an assist coach in the secondary (NEU) and I can tell you there is no scheme in the world that switches from zone to man mid play as the play dictates. It's either dictated that way pre play by assignment or it's a blown coverage because someone didn't know what they are doing. Are you high, I'm serious are you? If you are talking a QB scrambling on a broken play CBs are too busy concentrating on their assignments to switch to man because a QB is scrambling. You'd have to have every CB watching the QB to switch to man unless you want to cause more confusion and blown coverage. CBs typically unless they are in drop zone are too busy watching their charges and reacting off those charges to be staring down a QB unless in a drop zone or are a spy. Have you ever noticed when a broken play happens and a QB scrambles downfield most CBs are turned away from the QB and are late to react to him scramble? It's not because they are switching to man. CBs need to be disciplined and say on their assignments not switch scheme mid play. Now you can have an under zone and have over top coverage pick up man at a certain point and you can have underneath man that drops to underneath coverage that looks like zone but really it's just playing an under thrown ball after a certain yardage (basically what Ryan did last year and what Bad is doing now, unless the WR goes outside the numbers then they usually stay stride for stride) but you don't switch schemes mid play, that's not how it works and certainly not because of a broken play. That's how you give up big plays. Honestly I'd love you to ask BB if he switches a coverage scheme mid play and see his reaction Edit: But feel free to prove me wrong by providing an example of it. Find a single video of what you described, there is coaching film out there, Pro use to get it, so you should be able to find a switch in assignment mid play that wasn't designed that way
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 7:31:04 GMT -5
Pats Eng. Please. you are out of your element. This defense coaches that if a QB scrambles/runs, that the defensive backfield is to man up you can also choose to ignore the facts that DMC was on the field for 57 snaps and Harmon for 50 snaps, and they were mostly in cover 2. Butler and Jones predominantly played against a specific WR not a left or right side, but even though they lined up against that man, they released to the deep S most of the game. I would peg a percent from memory (I have no snap count numbers) that the 2nd half the team was in cover 2 almost the entire half. the first half I would say 50% of the defensive snaps they were in cover 2...that was from my vantage point I played as a S in college (BC) and after injury as an assist coach in the secondary (NEU) and I can tell you there is no scheme in the world that switches from zone to man mid play as the play dictates. It's either dictated that way pre play by assignment or it's a blown coverage because someone didn't know what they are doing. Are you high, I'm serious are you? If you are talking a QB scrambling on a broken play CBs are too busy concentrating on their assignments to switch to man because a QB is scrambling. You'd have to have every CB watching the QB to switch to man unless you want to cause more confusion and blown coverage. CBs typically unless they are in drop zone are too busy watching their charges and reacting off those charges to be staring down a QB unless in a drop zone or are a spy. Have you ever noticed when a broken play happens and a QB scrambles downfield most CBs are turned away from the QB and are late to react to him scramble? It's not because they are switching to man. CBs need to be disciplined and say on their assignments not switch scheme mid play. Now you can have an under zone and have over top coverage pick up man at a certain point and you can have underneath man that drops to underneath coverage that looks like zone but really it's just playing an under thrown ball after a certain yardage (basically what Ryan did last year and what Bad is doing now, unless the WR goes outside the numbers then they usually stay stride for stride) but you don't switch schemes mid play, that's not how it works and certainly not because of a broken play. That's how you give up big plays. Honestly I'd love you to ask BB if he switches a coverage scheme mid play and see his reaction thats how they coach it in New England Pats Eng.
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 7:33:53 GMT -5
I played as a S in college (BC) and after injury as an assist coach in the secondary (NEU) and I can tell you there is no scheme in the world that switches from zone to man mid play as the play dictates. It's either dictated that way pre play by assignment or it's a blown coverage because someone didn't know what they are doing. Are you high, I'm serious are you? If you are talking a QB scrambling on a broken play CBs are too busy concentrating on their assignments to switch to man because a QB is scrambling. You'd have to have every CB watching the QB to switch to man unless you want to cause more confusion and blown coverage. CBs typically unless they are in drop zone are too busy watching their charges and reacting off those charges to be staring down a QB unless in a drop zone or are a spy. Have you ever noticed when a broken play happens and a QB scrambles downfield most CBs are turned away from the QB and are late to react to him scramble? It's not because they are switching to man. CBs need to be disciplined and say on their assignments not switch scheme mid play. Now you can have an under zone and have over top coverage pick up man at a certain point and you can have underneath man that drops to underneath coverage that looks like zone but really it's just playing an under thrown ball after a certain yardage (basically what Ryan did last year and what Bad is doing now, unless the WR goes outside the numbers then they usually stay stride for stride) but you don't switch schemes mid play, that's not how it works and certainly not because of a broken play. That's how you give up big plays. Honestly I'd love you to ask BB if he switches a coverage scheme mid play and see his reaction thats how they coach it in New England Pats Eng. Yeah, no it's not. Do you have direct access to know this, you heard it from BB directly? I'd love for you to pull up a single video to shows that. If that's what they do that should be easy. That's how you give up big plays and cause massive confusion and blown coverage. No secondary is coached switch to man if you see a QB scramble Edit: How many times have we heard BB say stick to your assignment? You really think BB is going to tell an entire secondary to use their own judgement call on switching schemes mid play and get off their assignments because a QB breaks contain on a broken play?
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 7:43:37 GMT -5
thats how they coach it in New England Pats Eng. Yeah, no it's not. Do you have direct access to know this, you heard it from BB directly? I'd love for you to pull up a single video to shows that. If that's what they do that should be easy. That's how you give up big plays and cause massive confusion and blown coverage. No secondary is coached switch to man if you see a QB scramble Edit: How many times have we heard BB say stick to your assignment? You really think BB is going to tell an entire secondary to use their own judgement call on switching schemes mid play and get off their assignments because a QB breaks contain on a broken play? not only is that coached here, but it is also coached that way for most teams.
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 7:44:37 GMT -5
Yeah, no it's not. Do you have direct access to know this, you heard it from BB directly? I'd love for you to pull up a single video to shows that. If that's what they do that should be easy. That's how you give up big plays and cause massive confusion and blown coverage. No secondary is coached switch to man if you see a QB scramble Edit: How many times have we heard BB say stick to your assignment? You really think BB is going to tell an entire secondary to use their own judgement call on switching schemes mid play and get off their assignments because a QB breaks contain on a broken play? not only is that coached here, but it is also coached that way for most teams. Well it should be easy to find a video of it happening
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 7:47:23 GMT -5
not only is that coached here, but it is also coached that way for most teams. Well it should be easy to find a video of it happening maybe. but why would I look knowing that I am correct? edit: throw your "I used to be a coach" line out there again
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 7:54:20 GMT -5
Well it should be easy to find a video of it happening maybe. but why would I look knowing that I am correct? Because the onus is on you to prove your claim if you are so right. I can't prove a negative if it never happens so you have to prove it does. Matter a fact I tried googling any article about switch scheme mid play and haven't found a single result here all post all the results I've found: " " There is nothing out there about switching scheme mid play but there is plenty that say the scheme is set pre play and they stick to that scheme. If you are correct it should be easy to prove, there is plenty of data and film out there. Here as an example here is an X and O's article on the 2014 Seahawks secondary which was considered one of the best int he history of the game. I don't see a single mention of switching scheme mid play but I do see multiple mentions of the scheme set pre play and not switching even if the O changes out: www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/1/29/5355360/super-bowl-xlviii-seahawks-defense-richard-sherman-earl-thomas-covering-peyton-manning
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Post by wazzu on Oct 24, 2017 7:56:54 GMT -5
Well it should be easy to find a video of it happening maybe. but why would I look knowing that I am correct? edit: throw your "I used to be a coach" line out there againLol. "I used to be a coach." Hilarious
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 7:59:58 GMT -5
Well it should be easy to find a video of it happening maybe. but why would I look knowing that I am correct? edit: throw your "I used to be a coach" line out there againYou questioned my knowledge on the situation so I have to include it as reference and assist coach for a school who no longer has a football program. But, you have yet to show any evidence of your claim now any reference to how you have obtained any knowledge of what the Pats do other than watching with your eye. But then again when you have a weak argument discredit rather than proved proof. Shows how weak your argument is
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 8:03:08 GMT -5
maybe. but why would I look knowing that I am correct? edit: throw your "I used to be a coach" line out there againYou questioned my knowledge on the situation so I have to include it as reference and assist coach for a school who no longer has a football program. But, you have yet to show any evidence of your claim now any reference to how you have obtained any knowledge of what the Pats do other than watching with your eye. But then again when you have a weak argument discredit rather than proved proof. Shows how weak your argument is ok Pats Eng. you know you are right. I know I am right. lets leave it at that
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 8:07:55 GMT -5
You questioned my knowledge on the situation so I have to include it as reference and assist coach for a school who no longer has a football program. But, you have yet to show any evidence of your claim now any reference to how you have obtained any knowledge of what the Pats do other than watching with your eye. But then again when you have a weak argument discredit rather than proved proof. Shows how weak your argument is ok Pats Eng. you know you are right. I know I am right. lets leave it at that You question my knowledge and then make fun of when I provived a reference to that knowledge and now that I asked for proof you back down knowing it doesn't exist? Rkarp if you are going to make claims and then try to discredit me please provide a single shred of proof of that claim. Please I'd like to see it and I'd be glad to admit I'm wrong otherwise if you don't have any try not to discredit someone because you are tossing out claims you can't substantiate
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 8:19:12 GMT -5
ok Pats Eng. you know you are right. I know I am right. lets leave it at that You question my knowledge and then make fun of when I provived a reference to that knowledge and now that I asked for proof you back down knowing it doesn't exist? Rkarp if you are going to make claims and then try to discredit me please provide a single shred of proof of that claim. Please I'd like to see it and I'd be glad to admit I'm wrong otherwise if you don't have any try not to discredit someone because you are tossing out claims you can't substantiate Pats Eng. I am not trying to discredit you. the fog precluded any film showing any defenses played from the All22 tape. the defense played 57 snaps. the Pats had 3 S's that played 50, 55 and 57 snaps respectively. They bracketed Jones 90% of his routes with a S over the top. My comment was that approx 75% of the time, they had 2 S's over the top. you can agree. you can disagree. you can tell me you used to coach. doesn't matter to me. I was there. when the teams' D is on the field, my first look is "where is DMC"? the majority of the time, he was playing deep, shading to one side, with Harmon almost in the same spot on the other half of the field. you can say the team played man all night I really do not care. I saw how they lined up with my own eyes. they mostly had 2 S's deep.
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 8:21:37 GMT -5
You question my knowledge and then make fun of when I provived a reference to that knowledge and now that I asked for proof you back down knowing it doesn't exist? Rkarp if you are going to make claims and then try to discredit me please provide a single shred of proof of that claim. Please I'd like to see it and I'd be glad to admit I'm wrong otherwise if you don't have any try not to discredit someone because you are tossing out claims you can't substantiate Pats Eng. I am not trying to discredit you. the fog precluded any film showing any defenses played from the All22 tape. the defense played 57 snaps. the Pats had 3 S's that played 50, 55 and 57 snaps respectively. They bracketed Jones 90% of his routes with a S over the top. My comment was that approx 75% of the time, they had 2 S's over the top. you can agree. you can disagree. you can tell me you used to coach. doesn't matter to me. I was there. when the teams' D is on the field, my first look is "where is DMC"? the majority of the time, he was playing deep, shading to one side, with Harmon almost in the same spot on the other half of the field. you can say the team played man all night I really do not care. I saw how they lined up with my own eyes. they mostly had 2 S's deep. Well if they do it all the time not every game was fogged right, you can get film from another game. No one is arguing they didn't run 2 deep S but that doesn't mean CBs ran zone nor that they switched zone to man mid play
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 8:25:00 GMT -5
Pats Eng. I am not trying to discredit you. the fog precluded any film showing any defenses played from the All22 tape. the defense played 57 snaps. the Pats had 3 S's that played 50, 55 and 57 snaps respectively. They bracketed Jones 90% of his routes with a S over the top. My comment was that approx 75% of the time, they had 2 S's over the top. you can agree. you can disagree. you can tell me you used to coach. doesn't matter to me. I was there. when the teams' D is on the field, my first look is "where is DMC"? the majority of the time, he was playing deep, shading to one side, with Harmon almost in the same spot on the other half of the field. you can say the team played man all night I really do not care. I saw how they lined up with my own eyes. they mostly had 2 S's deep. Well if they do it all the time not every game was fogged right, you can get film from another game. No one is arguing they didn't run 2 deep S but that doesn't mean CBs ran zone nor that they switched zone to man mid play you are arguing it I said they played cover 2 the majority of the game. you said they did not I said they switch from zone to man mid play IF THE QB SCRAMBLES/RUNS you disagreed with both comments, not only the switch
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Post by patslifer on Oct 24, 2017 8:25:45 GMT -5
You question my knowledge and then make fun of when I provived a reference to that knowledge and now that I asked for proof you back down knowing it doesn't exist? Rkarp if you are going to make claims and then try to discredit me please provide a single shred of proof of that claim. Please I'd like to see it and I'd be glad to admit I'm wrong otherwise if you don't have any try not to discredit someone because you are tossing out claims you can't substantiate Pats Eng. I am not trying to discredit you. the fog precluded any film showing any defenses played from the All22 tape. the defense played 57 snaps. the Pats had 3 S's that played 50, 55 and 57 snaps respectively. They bracketed Jones 90% of his routes with a S over the top. My comment was that approx 75% of the time, they had 2 S's over the top. you can agree. you can disagree. you can tell me you used to coach. doesn't matter to me. I was there. when the teams' D is on the field, my first look is "where is DMC"? the majority of the time, he was playing deep, shading to one side, with Harmon almost in the same spot on the other half of the field. you can say the team played man all night I really do not care. I saw how they lined up with my own eyes. they mostly had 2 S's deep. That is what I saw as well. But I think they played a mix (if you can call it that) of man and zone..it was actually cover 2. Man with the CBs underneath, but help over the top from the safeties each responsible for their half of the field. I went back and watched some of the tape specifically looking at Bademosi. he had help all night behind his man. He was responsible for man coverage of his man underneath his man, but didn't have to worry about getting beat deep. This is probably a big reason why the Pats only gave up 2 plays greater than 20 yards. Because the safeties were playing deep, negating any big plays, and the CBs played man, underneath the WRs.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 8:27:50 GMT -5
Pats Eng. I am not trying to discredit you. the fog precluded any film showing any defenses played from the All22 tape. the defense played 57 snaps. the Pats had 3 S's that played 50, 55 and 57 snaps respectively. They bracketed Jones 90% of his routes with a S over the top. My comment was that approx 75% of the time, they had 2 S's over the top. you can agree. you can disagree. you can tell me you used to coach. doesn't matter to me. I was there. when the teams' D is on the field, my first look is "where is DMC"? the majority of the time, he was playing deep, shading to one side, with Harmon almost in the same spot on the other half of the field. you can say the team played man all night I really do not care. I saw how they lined up with my own eyes. they mostly had 2 S's deep. That is what I saw as well. But I think they played a mix (if you can call it that) of man and zone..it was actually cover 2. Man with the CBs underneath, but help over the top from the safeties each responsible for their half of the field. I went back and watched some of the tape specifically looking at Bademosi. he had help all night behind his man. He was responsible for man coverage of his man underneath his man, but didn't have to worry about getting beat deep. This is probably a big reason why the Pats only gave up 2 plays greater than 20 yards. Because the safeties were playing deep, negating any big plays, and the CBs played man, underneath the WRs. this is exactly what I said. this is exactly what PatsEng said did not occur on defense
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 8:30:54 GMT -5
Well if they do it all the time not every game was fogged right, you can get film from another game. No one is arguing they didn't run 2 deep S but that doesn't mean CBs ran zone nor that they switched zone to man mid play you are arguing it I said they played cover 2 the majority of the game. you said they did not I said they switch from zone to man mid play IF THE QB SCRAMBLES/RUNS you disagreed with both comments, not only the switch Read what I wrote, I said they had CBs playing man and Chung/Harmon and McCourty over top with McCourty over Bad and Harmon/Chung playing mostly double on Julio. That is 2 S deep with one covering Bads side and the other covering Julio's side. They do not switch from zone to man because the CBs were in man to begin with! Wow, you keep trying to move the goalposts so much it's not even funny.
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 8:32:39 GMT -5
That is what I saw as well. But I think they played a mix (if you can call it that) of man and zone..it was actually cover 2. Man with the CBs underneath, but help over the top from the safeties each responsible for their half of the field. I went back and watched some of the tape specifically looking at Bademosi. he had help all night behind his man. He was responsible for man coverage of his man underneath his man, but didn't have to worry about getting beat deep. This is probably a big reason why the Pats only gave up 2 plays greater than 20 yards. Because the safeties were playing deep, negating any big plays, and the CBs played man, underneath the WRs. this is exactly what I said. this is exactly what PatsEng said did not occur on defense what you just agreed to is what I said in my first post..... seriously you are all twisted in a loop
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Post by patseng on Oct 24, 2017 8:40:09 GMT -5
Ok Rkarp I think I understand were you are confused so let's break it down The CB's - they played man (do you agree or disagree) The S's location - they played 2 deep (do you agree or disagree) McCourty - primarily played over Bad and main job was to pick up Bads player if went deep enough otherwise secondary responsibility stayed in half field zone mid/deep (agree or disagree) Harmon/Chung - primarily played over Julio and main job double coverage Julio unless on short slants then secondary responsibility stay in half field zone mid (agree or disagree) the mid play switch we'll never agree Edit: Perfect article describing Man-2 deep vs cover 2 bleacherreport.com/articles/2154983-nfl-101-breaking-down-the-basics-of-2-man-coverageThe coverage known as 2-Man is a two-deep, man-under defense with “trail-man” coverage underneath and the protection of two deep-half safeties over the top. Similar to Cover 2 (two-deep, five-under zone defense) from a pre-snap look, 2-Man is designed to put a tent on the top of the defense with both safeties gaining depth at the snap to play “top-down” while working to overlap any throw to the middle of the field (weakness of the scheme). Sound familiar?
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Post by rkarp on Oct 24, 2017 8:50:26 GMT -5
Ok Rkarp I think I understand were you are confused so let's break it down The CB's - they played man (do you agree or disagree) The S's location - they played 2 deep (do you agree or disagree) McCourty - primarily played over Bad and main job was to pick up Bads player if went deep enough otherwise secondary responsibility stayed in half field zone mid/deep (agree or disagree) Harmon/Chung - primarily played over Julio and main job double coverage Julio unless on short slants then secondary responsibility stay in half field zone mid (agree or disagree) the mid play switch we'll never agree Edit: Perfect article describing Man-2 deep vs cover 2 bleacherreport.com/articles/2154983-nfl-101-breaking-down-the-basics-of-2-man-coverageThe coverage known as 2-Man is a two-deep, man-under defense with “trail-man” coverage underneath and the protection of two deep-half safeties over the top. Similar to Cover 2 (two-deep, five-under zone defense) from a pre-snap look, 2-Man is designed to put a tent on the top of the defense with both safeties gaining depth at the snap to play “top-down” while working to overlap any throw to the middle of the field (weakness of the scheme). Sound familiar? I am not confused. I was pretty clear that Butler and Bademosi did not each play a side, but played the side specific to which WR lined up. I was also pretty clear that 75% of the time the Pats had cover 2 with their S's. you were also pretty clear. you wondered which game I watched. And wondered if I had watched it from a strip club truth be told, I was at the game. I saw with my own eyes where the defense was lining up. I also watched the replay. from the TV feed, in the 2nd half, you could not see where the defense was lining up. I stand by my initial comment. the D mostly was in cover 2, save for red zone plays and situation specific plays. (I off the top of my head pegged that at 75%) lets agree to drop it
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