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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Oct 26, 2017 18:41:37 GMT -5
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 26, 2017 18:45:17 GMT -5
Pats need more o-line and D help. They got the WR position covered.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 27, 2017 7:05:51 GMT -5
Pats need more o-line and D help. They got the WR position covered. They have Waddle and Fleming and drafted Garcia. They are also developing Croston. They appear to like Karras There is a dire shortage of OL players around the league The Pats have limited cap space If they can improve the team for short money with Boldin, they should pull the trigger |
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 27, 2017 7:29:14 GMT -5
A part time receiver who plays zero special teams trying to learn this offense mid season... I can't see that happening at all.
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Post by patseng on Oct 27, 2017 8:02:07 GMT -5
A part time receiver who plays zero special teams trying to learn this offense mid season... I can't see that happening at all. they traded for Dorsett...... They need a WR who can get open in the 3-7yrd range quickly. Boldin doesn't have the quicks but he's got the size that boxes out most CBs. That's his bread and butter. At this point in the season his pay would only be about 1.3mil so worth a sniff to see what the asking price is |
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 27, 2017 8:31:29 GMT -5
A part time receiver who plays zero special teams trying to learn this offense mid season... I can't see that happening at all. they traded for Dorsett...... They need a WR who can get open in the 3-7yrd range quickly. Boldin doesn't have the quicks but he's got the size that boxes out most CBs. That's his bread and butter. At this point in the season his pay would only be about 1.3mil so worth a sniff to see what the asking price is Was that mid season as well? We have 5 receivers and 5 running backs on the roster, 3 of those backs can double as receivers, so unless Hogan or someone else is out for the season there won't be a trade for either position. We certainly won't carry 6 of either... |
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Post by wazzu on Oct 27, 2017 8:35:19 GMT -5
I feel like Boldin is a name that the fans are probably a lot more interested in than Belichick is. Highly doubt the Pats trade anything for him.
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Post by patseng on Oct 27, 2017 9:07:23 GMT -5
they traded for Dorsett...... They need a WR who can get open in the 3-7yrd range quickly. Boldin doesn't have the quicks but he's got the size that boxes out most CBs. That's his bread and butter. At this point in the season his pay would only be about 1.3mil so worth a sniff to see what the asking price is
Was that mid season as well? We have 5 receivers and 5 running backs on the roster, 3 of those backs can double as receivers, so unless Hogan or someone else is out for the season there won't be a trade for either position. We certainly won't carry 6 of either... Nope, but does that matter when you make a general statement like makes zero STs play and it's not like Dorsett was traded for in the preseason, he was literally brought in less than a week before the first game. I would say Boldin with all his vet experience should be able to pick up quickly and certainly quick slant routes is easier to learn than downfield option routes. Typically the closer you get to the line the less complex the routes become because the quicker the release has to be. So, it's not like they haven't brought in a WR with no real time to practice and no ST play before and it's not like you'll be asking Boldin to do more mid season than Dorsett was asked at the beginning of the seaon, if anything he might be asked to learn less |
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Post by rkarp on Oct 27, 2017 9:24:54 GMT -5
they signed Mike Floyd last year. Boldin is 10 times the player
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 27, 2017 9:26:25 GMT -5
Nope, but does that matter when you make a general statement like makes zero STs play and it's not like Dorsett was traded for in the preseason, he was literally brought in less than a week before the first game. I would say Boldin with all his vet experience should be able to pick up quickly and certainly quick slant routes is easier to learn than downfield option routes. Typically the closer you get to the line the less complex the routes become because the quicker the release has to be. So, it's not like they haven't brought in a WR with no real time to practice and no ST play before and it's not like you'll be asking Boldin to do more mid season than Dorsett was asked at the beginning of the seaon, if anything he might be asked to learn less A week before the first game, young, fast and with future potential... traded at a position of need for Brissett, a guy who wasn't going to make the roster anyway. Joey Galloway, Chad Johnson, Brandon Lloyd, Charles Johnson... the list of veteran receivers who couldn't pick up this system is long. Dorsett won't play much because Cooks, Amendola and Hogan are ahead of him and already know the system, he may never work out. But to use a roster spot for an ancient Boldin wouldn't be logical... I may be wrong, but I don't see the glaring hole at receiver others do nor do I think BB does either. He knows he can get receiver reps from Dion, Rex and White. |
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Post by patseng on Oct 27, 2017 9:32:11 GMT -5
Nope, but does that matter when you make a general statement like makes zero STs play and it's not like Dorsett was traded for in the preseason, he was literally brought in less than a week before the first game. I would say Boldin with all his vet experience should be able to pick up quickly and certainly quick slant routes is easier to learn than downfield option routes. Typically the closer you get to the line the less complex the routes become because the quicker the release has to be. So, it's not like they haven't brought in a WR with no real time to practice and no ST play before and it's not like you'll be asking Boldin to do more mid season than Dorsett was asked at the beginning of the seaon, if anything he might be asked to learn less A week before the first game, young, fast and with future potential... traded at a position of need for Brissett, a guy who wasn't going to make the roster anyway. Joey Galloway, Chad Johnson, Brandon Lloyd, Charles Johnson... the list of veteran receivers who couldn't pick up this system is long. Dorsett won't play much because Cooks, Amendola and Hogan are ahead of him and already know the system, he may never work out. But to use a roster spot for an ancient Boldin wouldn't be logical... I may be wrong, but I don't see the glaring whole at receiver others do nor do I think BB does either. He knows he can get receiver reps from Dion, Rex and White... But your original point was BB didn't bring in players with no time to learn the system and don't play STs into a difficult system to learn and Dorsett was the example that didn't fit the bill Floyd as Rkarp points out is another one. As for young, fast, future potential..... does that really matter because he can't play. B. Johnson was young fast too, so was Price, Tate, and a whole host of others that makes no difference. Boldin having experience gives him a better shot of coming in mid season and succeeding. Doesn't mean he would as you point out (btw who the heck is Charles Johnson? Are you just making up names now, and Lloyd did pretty well with the Pats it was in locker room not on field performance that got him booted). Dorsett was brought in because of a need at WR, Dorsett hasn't filled that need what so ever, therefore there is still a need esp with the huge weight over the Pats head of Amendola's injury history. If Amendola goes down we literally have no one to replace him. |
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 27, 2017 9:37:37 GMT -5
But your original point was BB didn't bring in players with no time to learn the system and don't play STs into a difficult system to learn and Dorsett was the example that didn't fit the bill Floyd as Rkarp points out is another one. As for young, fast, future potential..... does that really matter because he can't play. B. Johnson was young fast too, so was Price, Tate, and a whole host of others that makes no difference. Boldin having experience gives him a better shot of coming in mid season and succeeding. Doesn't mean he would as you point out (btw who the heck is Charles Johnson? Are you just making up names now, and Lloyd did pretty well with the Pats it was in locker room not on field performance that got him booted). Dorsett was brought in because of a need at WR, Dorsett hasn't filled that need what so ever, therefore there is still a need esp with the huge weight over the Pats head of Amendola's injury history. If Amendola goes down we literally have no one to replace him. Charles Johnson: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCh00.htmJulian Edelman didn't play early in his career because Deion Branch and Wes Welker were ahead of him, did he suck (like most negative Nancy's said he did at the time)? If Amendola goes down or even if he doesn't, we get WR reps from Dion Lewis, Rex Burkhead and White... they actually know the playbook. |
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Post by patseng on Oct 27, 2017 9:50:37 GMT -5
But your original point was BB didn't bring in players with no time to learn the system and don't play STs into a difficult system to learn and Dorsett was the example that didn't fit the bill Floyd as Rkarp points out is another one. As for young, fast, future potential..... does that really matter because he can't play. B. Johnson was young fast too, so was Price, Tate, and a whole host of others that makes no difference. Boldin having experience gives him a better shot of coming in mid season and succeeding. Doesn't mean he would as you point out (btw who the heck is Charles Johnson? Are you just making up names now, and Lloyd did pretty well with the Pats it was in locker room not on field performance that got him booted). Dorsett was brought in because of a need at WR, Dorsett hasn't filled that need what so ever, therefore there is still a need esp with the huge weight over the Pats head of Amendola's injury history. If Amendola goes down we literally have no one to replace him. Charles Johnson: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCh00.htmJulian Edelman didn't play early in his career because Deion Branch and Wes Welker were ahead of him, did he suck (like most negative Nancy's said he did at the time)? If Amendola goes down or even if he doesn't, we get WR reps from Dion Lewis, Rex Burkhead and White... they actually know the playbook. Oh dear lord you had to go all the way back to 2001 to find a jag Charles Johnson lol, wow Wozzy. Ok, I'll put you down as you think Dorsett is the next Edelman. Btw I don't remember many saying Edelman sucked, actually I think most were excited about him playing (except Rusty because he didn't like binkies). Not sure where you pulled that from |
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Post by patslifer on Oct 27, 2017 9:52:43 GMT -5
Julian Edelman didn't play early in his career because Deion Branch and Wes Welker were ahead of him ...and, he was learning how to be a WR after not playing it until he reached the Pats. The knock on Edelman early was his fragility..not his play. I get that we have pass catching backs. But pass catching backs are different than WRs. Could White, Lewis or Burkhead play from the slot and run the same routes as Danny with similar success? I don't know if I can answer that a "yes". |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 27, 2017 9:57:48 GMT -5
Id rather get another beast tight end. We have enough WRs
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Post by rkarp on Oct 27, 2017 10:00:02 GMT -5
they traded for Dorsett...... They need a WR who can get open in the 3-7yrd range quickly. Boldin doesn't have the quicks but he's got the size that boxes out most CBs. That's his bread and butter. At this point in the season his pay would only be about 1.3mil so worth a sniff to see what the asking price is Was that mid season as well? We have 5 receivers and 5 running backs on the roster, 3 of those backs can double as receivers, so unless Hogan or someone else is out for the season there won't be a trade for either position. We certainly won't carry 6 of either... they have 4 WR's on the roster Cooks/Hogan/Danny/Dorsett Edelman/Mitchell both on IR Dorsett really is not ready to help the team Danny is again beat up, as is Hogan |
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 27, 2017 10:00:16 GMT -5
Oh dear lord you had to go all the way back to 2001 to find a jag Charles Johnson lol, wow Wozzy. Ok, I'll put you down as you think Dorsett is the next Edelman. Btw I don't remember many saying Edelman sucked, actually I think most were excited about him playing (except Rusty because he didn't like binkies). Not sure where you pulled that from Not only did I not say Dorsett was the next Edelman, but neither did I say you thought Julian sucked, but putting words into my mouth is always a great deflection... my point is that just because player X can't leapfrog all pro players in front of him is an indicator of nothing. If Dorsett does become a contributor next season or going forward, did he not play this season because he sucks or because other players who have been in the system longer have a better grasp of the offense and have gained Brady's trust? The roster is 53 men, unless a WR goes on the IR there is no reason to bring a 40 year old WR in... comparing Boldin with Dorsett is apples and oranges. |
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Post by jri37 on Oct 27, 2017 10:00:59 GMT -5
Julian Edelman didn't play early in his career because Deion Branch and Wes Welker were ahead of him ...and, he was learning how to be a WR after not playing it until he reached the Pats. The knock on Edelman early was his fragility..not his play. I get that we have pass catching backs. But pass catching backs are different than WRs. Could White, Lewis or Burkhead play from the slot and run the same routes as Danny with similar success? I don't know if I can answer that a "yes". Not to beat a dead horse here but there was a good portion of the fan base that wanted Edelman gone for a variety of reasons. Fans didn't believe he couldn't make the transition to the receiver, he was perceived to be injury prone and then his incident at the club happened. From the time he was drafted to the time Welker left fans pointed towards his inability to be consistent even though he never had the type of playing time to be able show that consistency. |
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Post by patseng on Oct 27, 2017 10:01:23 GMT -5
Id rather get another beast tight end. We have enough WRs They are very few and far between this year in the league and no one is giving one up. Heck you might have trouble finding a Allen type of TE |
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Post by patseng on Oct 27, 2017 10:02:44 GMT -5
Oh dear lord you had to go all the way back to 2001 to find a jag Charles Johnson lol, wow Wozzy. Ok, I'll put you down as you think Dorsett is the next Edelman. Btw I don't remember many saying Edelman sucked, actually I think most were excited about him playing (except Rusty because he didn't like binkies). Not sure where you pulled that from Not only did I not say Dorsett was the next Edelman, but neither did I say you thought Julian sucked, but putting words into my mouth is always a great deflection... my point is that just because player X can't leapfrog all pro players in front of him is an indicator of nothing. If Dorsett does become a contributor next season or going forward, did he not play this season because he sucks or because other players who have been in the system longer have a better grasp of the offense and have gained Brady's trust? The roster is 53 men, unless a WR goes on the IR there is no reason to bring a 40 year old WR in... comparing Boldin with Dorsett is apples and oranges. By bringing in Edelman you implied Dorsett was similar to Edelman otherwise why mention him at all since he was never part of the conversation, that's on you. I didn't say I thought you said I thought Julian sucked I said many so putting words in peoples mouth is kind of what you are doing |
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Post by rkarp on Oct 27, 2017 10:03:44 GMT -5
I guess simply ask the question. Is the team better with Boldin or Dorsett playing? I would say Sunday, Dorsett. Into the playoffs/SB, I would say Boldin. For next year, I am assuming Dorsett, but who knows.
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 27, 2017 10:03:45 GMT -5
I get that we have pass catching backs. But pass catching backs are different than WRs. Could White, Lewis or Burkhead play from the slot and run the same routes as Danny with similar success? I don't know if I can answer that a "yes". There weren't snaps for Edelman early in his career to be had, the slot receiver position was filled, and/or agreed he wasn't healthy. Yes, Dion, Burkhead and White can definitively play in the slot and have earned Brady's trust. The bigger question is if nobody in the WR room goes on the IR... why bring in Bolden? |
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Post by rkarp on Oct 27, 2017 10:05:11 GMT -5
I get that we have pass catching backs. But pass catching backs are different than WRs. Could White, Lewis or Burkhead play from the slot and run the same routes as Danny with similar success? I don't know if I can answer that a "yes". There weren't snaps for Edelman early in his career to be had, the slot receiver position was filled, and/or agreed he wasn't healthy. Yes, Dion, Burkhead and White can definitively play in the slot and have earned Brady's trust. The bigger question is if nobody in the WR room goes on the IR... why bring in Bolden? because they have 4 WR's and at the moment 2 of them are beat up and one of them is a one trick outside speed guy |
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 27, 2017 10:06:21 GMT -5
By bringing in Edelman you implied Dorsett was similar to Edelman otherwise why mention him at all since he was never part of the conversation, that's on you. I didn't say I thought you said I thought Julian sucked I said many so putting words in peoples mouth is kind of what you are doing I could have been talking about defensive tackle, running back or any other position. Does Garapollo suck because he hasn't beaten Brady out for a job? I used Edelman because they're both WR's, good grief. Stop trying to win arguments on non-sequiturs and stick to the meat of the debate. |
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Post by Wozzy on Oct 27, 2017 10:09:19 GMT -5
because they have 4 WR's and at the moment 2 of them are beat up and one of them is a one trick outside speed guy When one them goes on the IR let me know, then we'll have reason to speculate. Seriously, are we really suggesting the Patriots will carry 6 receivers and 5 RB's on the active roster?!! |
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