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Post by pezz4pats on Jul 13, 2016 18:49:53 GMT -5
Hmm, decreased chance of winning means more losses means no dynasty. That's an interesting take on it Pezz. How about Adam V, misses a few kicks, McGinnest doesn't stuff the Colts, Troy Brown (turned CB), doesn't strip the ball after an INT against SD, Tuck rule called a fumble........means no dynasty as well? I think we all understand the concept of team, however on a team, there is no more important player than the QB and in this age of parity, the difference between a good team OR TWO GOOD TEAMS, and a great one is going to be your QB, ESPECIALLY IF HE'S THE GOAT. Look at our own division. Many times you can point to them having better teams. Better receivers, better defenses, better olines or whatever. How have the Pats made them look silly for the past 15 years? On the contrast there have been some very good Pats teams with nothing to show, pre Brady, and predictably, post Beady. Wanna bet? There is no dynasty without the franchise QB. Ever. There's a reason for that.
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Post by stinkman on Jul 13, 2016 18:59:00 GMT -5
Obama appointee and Mara friend Chin cooked this one. Maybe Brady will get a break from Ginsburg, but I doubt it. Brady is friends with Trump. No Clintonite is apt to see justice done for him. This country has become rotten to it's core. The other point is Judge Richard Berman's rulings have been overturned 7.2 % of the time. Then what do you know, out of the blue it gets overturned. Then Chin brings up Brady's phone , when he knows that Wells never asked for the phone until the end. So the phone should have NOT been the reason or one of the primary reasons for overturning Berman's verdict. The ball is in Ginsburg hands, but last time I checked the score on the judges was 2-2. This is about labor now IMO. She should grant the stay. The four games missed could cause money that can't be brought back if Tom wins. That should be the case for the stay right there. Tom Brady being friends with Donald Trump should not play into this, but everybody has a bone to pick with someone. One last thing please don't tell me the supreme court has other things to deal with.. Like what gun control. Like always being worried what Trump says. They can handle multiple cases, it like walking and chewing gum at the same time. Do the right thing Mrs Ginsburg issue the stay. Why because it's the right thing to do. The reason harm for losing 4 weeks pay. As well as Chin's ruling on the phone.. The article 46 RG has the power but it doesn't make him GOD.
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Post by philskiw on Jul 13, 2016 19:20:50 GMT -5
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Post by fletcherbrook on Jul 13, 2016 19:59:59 GMT -5
Assuming all the receivers are healthy 3-1 is very feasible.
What kills me is the nut jobs take this as proof of Brady's guilt. I'm thinking more like 2-2. Actually, I would be happy with 2-2. 3-1 would be great, 1-3 would be terrible. Now there's talk about Edelman and Amendola not being ready for the opening of the season. That wouldn't be good. I guess we just gotta sit back and see how things go through training camp and stuff. I couldn't agree more. 2-2 is about the best we can legit expect IMO. 1-3 is very possible. 3-1?? Mmmm...I don't see it. I think people are vastly underestimating the 4 teams they play, the devastation of losing Brady, the mediocrity of Jimmy... we we will see...
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Post by zenape on Jul 13, 2016 20:02:22 GMT -5
If Brady gets the nod to appear before the SC, the whole thing gets kicked down the road by almost a year. And if Trump gets in, he appoints the next SCJ, and the tables are now tilted in Brady's favor. And thus far, that is the only good thing I have been able to say about Trump becoming President...
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Post by seawolf on Jul 13, 2016 20:08:58 GMT -5
Ginsberg. Anti Trump vs pro Labor Ruth Buzznot that bright, like all advocate lawyers never should have been on the SC
JG. Start warming up (although I don't understand Muz's point?)
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Post by seawolf on Jul 13, 2016 20:12:29 GMT -5
Obama appointee and Mara friend Chin cooked this one. Maybe Brady will get a break from Ginsburg, but I doubt it. Brady is friends with Trump. No Clintonite is apt to see justice done for him. This country has become rotten to it's core. So a pro labor judge is going to spite future labor cases because of the current political dynamics? She isn't all there! So yes If the SC is still 4-4 then it goes back to the second court and it still over
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 20:48:22 GMT -5
C'mon, Bill Clinton just brokered a deal to get wifey out of the espionage rap. Brady snubbed Obama for the WH visit. These crooked swines aren't above making Brady pay for his snub. Principles are not the driving force here. If they were "labor judge" Chin would have flushed this No Fidelity League bullshit down the crapper months ago. Screw labor laws, the future of the American laborer and my ideology, I'm going for Trumps 'nads? You see it as a labor issue. The rest of the world sees it as deflating footballs. The political types (including judges) don't see this as losing them votes so they don't give a shit.
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Post by ud6 on Jul 13, 2016 21:36:39 GMT -5
I guess this news will bring the trolls back to play Hello UD. Will the Dolts win 5 games this year? Hope so.
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Post by ud6 on Jul 13, 2016 21:38:04 GMT -5
Why don't you go to hell? You support an evil group of people that started this whole non-scandal on a bunch of lies out of spite and petty vindictiveness, that carries over to you and all your redneck, moron buddies in Colt shirts. I can't wait to start taking my anger out on an unsuspecting Colts fan one of these days. Seek help
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Post by TFB12 on Jul 13, 2016 21:57:24 GMT -5
I'm thinking more like 2-2. Actually, I would be happy with 2-2. 3-1 would be great, 1-3 would be terrible. Now there's talk about Edelman and Amendola not being ready for the opening of the season. That wouldn't be good. I guess we just gotta sit back and see how things go through training camp and stuff. I couldn't agree more. 2-2 is about the best we can legit expect IMO. 1-3 is very possible. 3-1?? Mmmm...I don't see it. I think people are vastly underestimating the 4 teams they play, the devastation of losing Brady, the mediocrity of Jimmy... we we will see... Looks like we are on the same page. Hopefully this gets pushed back until after the season.. my fingers are crossed on that. I don't think theres any worry about missing the playoffs even if Jimmy G goes 2-2 or 1-3... but you just never know. 11-5 missed out in 2008. JUst keep those damn injuries away from this team this season... Thats really what I worry about most.
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Post by Admin on Jul 13, 2016 22:02:29 GMT -5
Why don't you go to hell? You support an evil group of people that started this whole non-scandal on a bunch of lies out of spite and petty vindictiveness, that carries over to you and all your redneck, moron buddies in Colt shirts. I can't wait to start taking my anger out on an unsuspecting Colts fan one of these days. Lets have some fun but lets not get carried away here.
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Post by tswfan on Jul 14, 2016 5:34:39 GMT -5
Obama, Hillary, Comey, Lynch, Ginsburg. How can anyone expect justice out of this band of criminals? Don't confuse not liking someone's politics with them being "evil" or criminal. I had a conversation with a hard core conservative X FBI guy who says while he was disapointed in Comey he still has great respect for the guy. And Gindsburg.. you may not like her but reallllly..... disagreeing is not basis for demonization. Even if that is the current national pastime. Yeh..and I have an a retired FBI ex army roommate who says Comey sold out. The fix was in. Anyone who says it was not...... is a liar.
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Post by croc on Jul 14, 2016 5:39:20 GMT -5
Screw labor laws, the future of the American laborer and my ideology, I'm going for Trumps 'nads? You see it as a labor issue. The rest of the world sees it as deflating footballs. The political types (including judges) don't see this as losing them votes so they don't give a shit. It is a labor case, that will impact future labor cases. Ginsberg won't want be seen as the cause of adversely affecting future labor decisions. Protecting labor laws and women's rights are two area she's been very active in. She's not likely to turn her back on either because it screws another person on the other side.
She will probably kick the can down the road for the whole SCOTUS to hear.
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Post by patslifer on Jul 14, 2016 6:17:12 GMT -5
Don't confuse not liking someone's politics with them being "evil" or criminal. I had a conversation with a hard core conservative X FBI guy who says while he was disapointed in Comey he still has great respect for the guy. And Gindsburg.. you may not like her but reallllly..... disagreeing is not basis for demonization. Even if that is the current national pastime. Yeh..and I have an a retired FBI ex army roommate who says Comey sold out. The fix was in. Anyone who says it was not...... is a liar.
I'm not sure Comey had much of a choice. And, in the end, it wasn't really on him. It's on Lynch. If you listen to Comey's speech on the decision and his testimony to Congress, he commented several times in a round about way what he thought of the situation in both what he said, and what he didn't say. His hand was forced.
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Post by philskiw on Jul 14, 2016 6:22:27 GMT -5
Yeh..and I have an a retired FBIÂ ex army roommate who says Comey sold out. The fix was in. Anyone who says it was not...... is a liar.
I'm not sure Comey had much of a choice. And, in the end, it wasn't really on him. It's on Lynch. If you listen to Comey's speech on the decision and his testimony to Congress, he commented several times in a round about way what he thought of the situation in both what he said, and what he didn't say. His hand was forced. It's a shame he ruined his reputation in the process. The Clinton machine takes down another one. I'm a big petreaus fan. Nothing but admiration for the soldier as well. I hope they review his case.
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Post by tswfan on Jul 14, 2016 6:29:35 GMT -5
Yeh..and I have an a retired FBI ex army roommate who says Comey sold out. The fix was in. Anyone who says it was not...... is a liar.
I'm not sure Comey had much of a choice. And, in the end, it wasn't really on him. It's on Lynch. If you listen to Comey's speech on the decision and his testimony to Congress, he commented several times in a round about way what he thought of the situation in both what he said, and what he didn't say. His hand was forced. He had a choice .....call it straight or resign.....don't be complicit in tearing the fabric of the law you are SWORN TO UPHOLD.
It is not like he was going to go on the bread lines.
Benedict Arnold won the Battle of Saratoga(turning point AMR REV) before he sold out.
Comey just sold out.....went to his knees when he was called on to uphold the law
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Post by portfolio1 on Jul 14, 2016 7:53:25 GMT -5
I do understand this. I don't begrudge you pointing it out. But personally I put some perspective here. Scalia broke codes many times. And also there is the idea that some people view Trump as so outrageously dangerous and so much a proponent of virulent bigotry that they feel compelled not to remain silent. This line of thought does not insist that they are right about him. Just that they truly believe this. ANd many, even many Republicans do. Romney has perhaps been the most eloquent of these. In any case her words are not criminal. No crime, no criminal law was broken. At all. I don't say you have no point. All I am saying is that others have sound reason to hold an opposing view. So we disagree. In some countries that might make us enemies. Here it makes us a democracy.
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Post by cyncalpatsfan on Jul 14, 2016 7:56:16 GMT -5
This is a red letter day for some Pats followers. Look at it this way: if the Pats don't go undefeated during the suspension, it is more evidence that the Pats dynasty was pure Brady. Right, because TB has never lost a game in his career. Makes sense to me. SMH
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Post by portfolio1 on Jul 14, 2016 8:05:16 GMT -5
Yeh..and I have an a retired FBI ex army roommate who says Comey sold out. The fix was in. Anyone who says it was not...... is a liar.
I'm not sure Comey had much of a choice. And, in the end, it wasn't really on him. It's on Lynch. If you listen to Comey's speech on the decision and his testimony to Congress, he commented several times in a round about way what he thought of the situation in both what he said, and what he didn't say. His hand was forced. 1. The x FBI guy I was referring to is a walking personification of the John Wayne version of the American flag. If you knew him you would not be using those words 2. Comey words, and his findings, while critical of HRC, described why he did not recommend prosecution. We can all hold views on the matter. ANd on Comey. But from what I have heard he is his own man enough to have done what he thought he should. 3. Personally, I think HRC is just ONE example of the "fix" we all, left, right and center, are angry about. That politicians and big corporate from the banks to insurance to energy to everywhere all are protected by power. HRC is no different that way than those many, many big and small criminals who have been in that bastion of the underworld we often call Congress. So in my own personal view I appreciate the point you make. But it is not HRC or left or right. It is all of the above. If you think of it as a sort of Invasion of the Body Snatchers... there is no more us and them... everyone is a monster!
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Post by tswfan on Jul 14, 2016 8:18:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure Comey had much of a choice. And, in the end, it wasn't really on him. It's on Lynch. If you listen to Comey's speech on the decision and his testimony to Congress, he commented several times in a round about way what he thought of the situation in both what he said, and what he didn't say. His hand was forced. 1. The x FBI guy I was referring to is a walking personification of the John Wayne version of the American flag. If you knew him you would not be using those words 2. Comey words, and his findings, while critical of HRC, described why he did not recommend prosecution. We can all hold views on the matter. ANd on Comey. But from what I have heard he is his own man enough to have done what he thought he should. 3. Personally, I think HRC is just ONE example of the "fix" we all, left, right and center, are angry about. That politicians and big corporate from the banks to insurance to energy to everywhere all are protected by power. HRC is no different that way than those many, many big and small criminals who have been in that bastion of the underworld we often call Congress. So in my own personal view I appreciate the point you make. But it is not HRC or left or right. It is all of the above. If you think of it as a sort of Invasion of the Body Snatchers... there is no more us and them... everyone is a monster!
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Post by patslifer on Jul 14, 2016 8:19:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure Comey had much of a choice. And, in the end, it wasn't really on him. It's on Lynch. If you listen to Comey's speech on the decision and his testimony to Congress, he commented several times in a round about way what he thought of the situation in both what he said, and what he didn't say. His hand was forced. He had a choice .....call it straight or resign.....don't be complicit in tearing the fabric of the law you are SWORN TO UPHOLD.
It is not like he was going to go on the bread lines.
Benedict Arnold won the Battle of Saratoga(turning point AMR REV) before he sold out.
Comey just sold out.....went to his knees when he was called on to uphold the law
My point was it was on Lynch not Comey. Comey as FBI Director oversees the investigation and refers the facts/way forward to Lynch who oversees prosecution. IF Comey came to Lynch and said there is enough evidence to prosecute, yet Lynch because of her ties to the Clintons and that secret and inappropriate runway rendezvous, decides not to prosecute, what is Comey to do? His hands are tied. His comments and press conference told me all I needed to know. While he couldn't come straight out he inferred. He had to because he had to walk a fine line. Yes, he could have came out and said we recommended prosecution to Lynch and she refused, but Comey is a career guy as well who has a history with the CLintons as well. Look at his involvement in other Clinton scandals. He's been there all along.
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Post by patslifer on Jul 14, 2016 8:23:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure Comey had much of a choice. And, in the end, it wasn't really on him. It's on Lynch. If you listen to Comey's speech on the decision and his testimony to Congress, he commented several times in a round about way what he thought of the situation in both what he said, and what he didn't say. His hand was forced. 1. The x FBI guy I was referring to is a walking personification of the John Wayne version of the American flag. If you knew him you would not be using those words 2. Comey words, and his findings, while critical of HRC, described why he did not recommend prosecution. We can all hold views on the matter. ANd on Comey. But from what I have heard he is his own man enough to have done what he thought he should. 3. Personally, I think HRC is just ONE example of the "fix" we all, left, right and center, are angry about. That politicians and big corporate from the banks to insurance to energy to everywhere all are protected by power. HRC is no different that way than those many, many big and small criminals who have been in that bastion of the underworld we often call Congress. So in my own personal view I appreciate the point you make. But it is not HRC or left or right. It is all of the above. If you think of it as a sort of Invasion of the Body Snatchers... there is no more us and them... everyone is a monster! I would not be using what words? Comey has ties to the Clinton machine as well. He's been there all along in varying capacities. Do the math. He's not "his own guy" as some may think. She is different. She wants to be President. She needs to be honestly and openly vetted like Trump. None of this 2008 crap where the media didn't do any vetting on a certain community organizer from Chicago. That is the media's job. They are deliquent because they are part of the machine.
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Post by tswfan on Jul 14, 2016 8:27:36 GMT -5
what words are you referring to....you should read for comprehension before commenting
Don't try to cover HRC with " they all do it"
HRC IS A FELON...anybody that says otherwise is a liar.
WHY WASN'T HRC PLACED UNDER OATH BY THE FBI WHEN BEING INTERVIEWED??? See if you can answer that ?
See my earlier post (yesterday) for the answer!!!!
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Post by patslifer on Jul 14, 2016 8:31:48 GMT -5
what words are you referring to....you should read for comprehension before commenting Don't try to cover HRC with " they all do it" HRC IS A FELON...anybody that says otherwise is a liar. WHY WASN'T HRC PLACED UNDER OATH BY THE FBI WHEN BEING INTERVIEWED??? See if you can answer that ? See my earlier post (yesterday) for the answer!!!! "they all do it" is standard operating procedure...just like HRC said "all Secretary of States" use their own, personal email addresses. She and Bubba are felons. I don't like either and it is mainly tied to their use of the Clinton Foundation as a play for pay scheme. To suck in tens of millions of dollars, use her position as SoS, and reward certain Clinton Foundation members or contributors with fat contracts. See The Russian Uranium and Haitian gold mine scandal as 2 shiny examples. She is a crooked as the day is long.
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