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Post by mthurl on Apr 20, 2019 13:02:39 GMT -5
I know AJ Brown isn't that prototypical slot type that we usually are attracted to but man I just love this kid's run after the catch and surprising runaway speed after the catch. Big strong kid too. Sounds like he's a lunch pail worker too with some heart. Very productive.
I love Deboo too, seems like another run after the catch guy with some good speed, and very squat runner/compact.
I'll have to check Campbell out some more because initially thought...stronger glorified Philip Dorsett when I first saw him.
The kid from Arizona just doesn't look like he separates to me, I know that's not everything but if you don't get separation in college, how do you do it in the pros?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 14:04:42 GMT -5
Good stuff Boys! I'm back from a Work thing. I always fall back to the Bill Walsh philosophy in Drafting a WR in the 1st Round, you don't Draft one till everything else is Fixed. Problem is it don't work that way with Salary Cap, your always fixing something. BB and Cesario have done OK. Wazzu nice Mock!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 14:19:08 GMT -5
We need 2 things in this Draft, just as important as all the essentials. A versatile OT, and versatile RB. They have to be addressed.
Versatile OT, one that could move Left to Right, if need be. And inside because of injuries. Injuries, force versatility. That's where Coaching comes in. Dante forget it. The Best.
Versatile RB, either one that can close the door as game is decided, or one that one that , can help if behind. Both backs have to be to catch the ball. RB's do not last a 16 game schedule, just too much wear and tear now of days.
My 4 RB's, and I'm finding a way to get into my Draft. Devine Ozigbo this kids smoothness and power amazes me, for a big kid. Bruce Anderson- just a Patriot kind of back. James Williams- just a Patriot kind of back. Elijah Holyfield, don't go by clock. Watch, and watch his cuts and vision, plays much faster then a stop watch. Run without a Football in your hands, then run one with one. Different speed.
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 20, 2019 14:28:25 GMT -5
We need 2 things in this Draft, just as important as all the essentials. A versatile OT, and versatile RB. They have to be addressed. Why the need for a RB? We spent a first on Sony who was a truck down the stretch, still have best pass-catching RB tied up, and Burkhead. On top of that, they brought back Bolden (yes, he's ST specific but can play RB in a pinch). I'd like to see them get a bruiser similar to what we had in Hill but I think RB is pretty set. I'm not sure they spend a high pick on OT unless 1 of 2 situations happen: they think Wynn isn't fit for OT and push him inside, potentially trading a Thuney/Mason (very doubtful) or they plan to trade Cannon (another doubt since they probably don't want two first year starters protecting the edge for Brady). I can see them snagging an OT with one of the later 3rd or 4th round picks, but don't think it's essential. I think they need to hit DL, WR, TE, and safety as priorities. Then again, it's BB and we've send stranger things happen. Cheers, CWOTB.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 14:39:53 GMT -5
Injuries Irish, that's my concern. White wore down, Burkhead hurt, much of the year, and less wear and tear on Sony's knee. RB's in this passing Offense just as important as WR's. Always want Great Hands, in this position.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 20, 2019 16:21:30 GMT -5
My Mock V3... here's what I'm thinking heading into draft week. 32. Parris Campbell WR/KR Ohio State- Two-time Captain... BB finally breaks precedent and drafts an ultra-fast and athletic offensive weapon (n the Percy Harvin mold) that can return kicks. 56. Kaleb McGary OT Washington- Team Captain, and their RT of the future. The arm length isn't idea (32 7/8), but he's tough, physical and has that hulking presence that they like in their OT's. 64. Amani Hooker S Iowa- Versatile, athletic defensive back with top notch instincts that could eventually replace Chung as the do-it-all strong safety. 73. Kahale Warring TE San Diego St- A big , athletic TE with a lot of upside, and experience as an in-line blocker in a power-running offense. 97. Anthony Nelson EDGE Iowa- Another tough Iowa player, with the size, length, movement ability and stoutness at the POA that they covet. 101. Renell Wren DT Arizona State- Team Captain. Prototype size, length and athleticism, and BB has connections to his former HC. They've also done well with another ASU alum, Lawrence Guy. 134. Drue Tranquill LB Notre Dame- Two-time Captain. He's as tough a player as there is in this draft, and provides an ideal replacement for Elandon Roberts (FA in 2020). Should also star on ST. 205. Hjalte Froholdt OG/C Arkansas- Team Captain. Still relatively new to the OL, but has good size, versatility and toughness. His former HC, Brett Bielema, is also part of NE's staff. 239. Easton Stick QB North Dakota State- Three-time Captain. Accomplished lower level QB with good athleticism and leadership qualities. He's a development QB to compete with Hoyer and Etling. 243. Jonathan Ledbetter DL Georgia- BB seems to love them Georgia boys, and Ledbetter is a high effort tweener that could provide quality depth along the DL. 246. Cody Thompson WR Toledo- Team Captain. Solid route-runner, with good hands and some quicks/RAC ability. He just looks like their typical day 3 WR, that could out-play his draft position. 252. Elijah Holyfield RB Georgia- Team Captain. Son of the former champ... he has pedestrian timed speed, but runs as hard as any back in this draft, and could be a solid short yardage type early on. I’ll sign up for this!
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Apr 20, 2019 16:40:14 GMT -5
We need a QB, 2 TEs, and 2 WRS
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Post by michiganadam on Apr 20, 2019 18:08:39 GMT -5
I'm still getting this feeling we end up with SUH in FA'cy...he is still available right
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Post by thehub on Apr 20, 2019 18:18:12 GMT -5
I'm still getting this feeling we end up with SUH in FA'cy...he is still available right I have the same feeling. 2 year deal. Good money upfront and the second year we can bail if needed.
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 20, 2019 19:28:08 GMT -5
MB- my latest hypothetical; QB Haskins free falls down to 32. Do you blow up your board and get him as the heir apparent or not?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 19:51:32 GMT -5
I know AJ Brown isn't that prototypical slot type that we usually are attracted to but man I just love this kid's run after the catch and surprising runaway speed after the catch. Big strong kid too. Sounds like he's a lunch pail worker too with some heart. Very productive. I love Deboo too, seems like another run after the catch guy with some good speed, and very squat runner/compact. I'll have to check Campbell out some more because initially thought...stronger glorified Philip Dorsett when I first saw him. The kid from Arizona just doesn't look like he separates to me, I know that's not everything but if you don't get separation in college, how do you do it in the pros? I keep thinking BB will take AJ Brown if he makes it to 32. The elite pass rushers will be long gone by then anyway. Unless Simmons from Miss State slides into the 20’s. Might be too tempting to pass up on a potential all pro that this draft does not have much of.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 20, 2019 19:55:46 GMT -5
I know AJ Brown isn't that prototypical slot type that we usually are attracted to but man I just love this kid's run after the catch and surprising runaway speed after the catch. Big strong kid too. Sounds like he's a lunch pail worker too with some heart. Very productive. I love Deboo too, seems like another run after the catch guy with some good speed, and very squat runner/compact. I'll have to check Campbell out some more because initially thought...stronger glorified Philip Dorsett when I first saw him. The kid from Arizona just doesn't look like he separates to me, I know that's not everything but if you don't get separation in college, how do you do it in the pros? I keep thinking BB will take AJ Brown if he makes it to 32. The elite pass rushers will be long gone by then anyway. Unless Simmons from Miss State slides into the 20’s. Might be too tempting to pass up on a potential all pro that this draft does not have much of. It’s a deep class when it comes to pass rusher. I don’t know if brown falls to 32.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 20, 2019 23:51:45 GMT -5
The draft network guys did a collective live mock. The following players were available. Who are you taking?
Jerry Tillery Chris Lindstrom Deandre Baker Irv Smith Jr Parris Campbell Deebo Samuel Daniel Jones Greg little (I think every safety was on the board?)
In case people are wondering. The following players were off the board.
Hockenson Fant Bush Harry Butler AJ Brown Risner Lawrence Wilkinson Ferrel Metcalf M. Brown Bradburry
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 21, 2019 0:18:05 GMT -5
The draft network guys did a collective live mock. The following players were available. Who are you taking? Jerry Tillery Chris Lindstrom Deandre Baker Irv Smith Jr Parris Campbell Deebo Samuel Daniel Jones Greg little (I think every safety was on the board?) In case people are wondering. The following players were off the board. Hockenson Fant Bush Harry Butler AJ Brown Risner Lawrence Wilkinson Ferrel Metcalf M. Brown Bradburry Chris Lindstrom and Parris Campbell are the only players worth considering, otherwise trade down or take better players.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 21, 2019 5:53:22 GMT -5
MB- my latest hypothetical; QB Haskins free falls down to 32. Do you blow up your board and get him as the heir apparent or not? Man, that sure would present them with a solid opportunity. Either 1. Take your QB of the future, or 2. Take the deal from a crap team that might be willing to overpay for him.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 21, 2019 5:55:07 GMT -5
The draft network guys did a collective live mock. The following players were available. Who are you taking? Jerry Tillery Chris Lindstrom Deandre Baker Irv Smith Jr Parris Campbell Deebo Samuel Daniel Jones Greg little (I think every safety was on the board?) In case people are wondering. The following players were off the board. Hockenson Fant Bush Harry Butler AJ Brown Risner Lawrence Wilkinson Ferrel Metcalf M. Brown Bradburry With the 32nd pick, in the 2019 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select... Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 21, 2019 6:01:28 GMT -5
Who do you feel is the biggest wildcard in the draft? I'd have to go with MSU DT Jeffery Simmons, as there's a chance that he could be available when NE is on the clock. To me, he'd easily represent the BPA, but that would have to be weighed against his off-field transgression... which is video of him punching a girl, while she was on the ground, in high school... and his torn ACL in Feb.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 6:21:38 GMT -5
The Wildcard in this Draft I feel will be a CB, or a Safety. There will be some amazing players I feel will be available in this Draft at 32. I keep falling back to Adderley as my Wildcard.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 21, 2019 6:42:15 GMT -5
WR, I think there will be some over-drafting and over expectations by some teams.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 6:43:59 GMT -5
2020 no DMC, he'll be 32 this year in Aug. for what Harmon does, I feel, a smart Rookie, can do better, and Pats save 6.5 million counting 2019 and 2020. Jones is a Free Agent, after next year. Chung is excellent, for what BB asks of him. But, Age, again. Adderley reminds me a lot of Ed Reed. You know how BB felt about Reed. I just might flip myself. From Tillery, its hard to get into BB's mind. It will really throw a Monkey Wrench in every Draft, if BB goes WR, with 1st pick. Just cant see it.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 21, 2019 7:20:37 GMT -5
2020 no DMC, he'll be 32 this year in Aug. for what Harmon does, I feel, a smart Rookie, can do better, and Pats save 6.5 million counting 2019 and 2020. Jones is a Free Agent, after next year. Chung is excellent, for what BB asks of him. But, Age, again. Adderley reminds me a lot of Ed Reed. You know how BB felt about Reed. I just might flip myself. From Tillery, its hard to get into BB's mind. It will really throw a Monkey Wrench in every Draft, if BB goes WR, with 1st pick. Just cant see it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 7:24:13 GMT -5
How many Tackles did Harmon record this year, in 16 games? He did improve went from 16 solo tackles, to 32. Went from 1 a game to 2. 95 games total, 152 tackles, 117 solos. This is about another question, my Wildcard, and how I feel about it.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 21, 2019 7:36:56 GMT -5
I know AJ Brown isn't that prototypical slot type that we usually are attracted to but man I just love this kid's run after the catch and surprising runaway speed after the catch. Big strong kid too. Sounds like he's a lunch pail worker too with some heart. Very productive. I love Deboo too, seems like another run after the catch guy with some good speed, and very squat runner/compact. I'll have to check Campbell out some more because initially thought...stronger glorified Philip Dorsett when I first saw him. The kid from Arizona just doesn't look like he separates to me, I know that's not everything but if you don't get separation in college, how do you do it in the pros? I keep thinking BB will take AJ Brown if he makes it to 32. The elite pass rushers will be long gone by then anyway. Unless Simmons from Miss State slides into the 20’s. Might be too tempting to pass up on a potential all pro that this draft does not have much of. Yeah I don't think Brown is there when we pick either, but it'd be nice. I wouldn't be surprised if they trade up a few slots if someone they like is there...they have a lot of ammunition to do so. I just don't want them reaching for a player based on need. I shouldn't worry because they hardly ever do.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 21, 2019 7:45:07 GMT -5
We need 2 things in this Draft, just as important as all the essentials. A versatile OT, and versatile RB. They have to be addressed. Why the need for a RB? We spent a first on Sony who was a truck down the stretch, still have best pass-catching RB tied up, and Burkhead. On top of that, they brought back Bolden (yes, he's ST specific but can play RB in a pinch). I'd like to see them get a bruiser similar to what we had in Hill but I think RB is pretty set. I'm not sure they spend a high pick on OT unless 1 of 2 situations happen: they think Wynn isn't fit for OT and push him inside, potentially trading a Thuney/Mason (very doubtful) or they plan to trade Cannon (another doubt since they probably don't want two first year starters protecting the edge for Brady). I can see them snagging an OT with one of the later 3rd or 4th round picks, but don't think it's essential. I think they need to hit DL, WR, TE, and safety as priorities. Then again, it's BB and we've send stranger things happen. Cheers, CWOTB. I think when your QB is as old as Brady, and you lose your left tackle, tight end and receivers...you can expect to run more. They did it last year with success, they'll try it again this year. However if someone goes down that will ruin that plan and potentially our entire offense, so I think it's an overlooked importance right now, one that maybe doesn't jump out at you, but is very much there. Outside of Sony Michel there really isn't a runner on this roster...White is a third down back, Burkhead is an often injured tweener. I think if Michel were to go down things would be pretty dire considering how much they relied on the run and probably will have to again. I'm not saying they will take a running back high, but I am saying that I wouldn't be shocked if they did either. And I always think they look for undervalued assets...a running (if he's highly rated) early might be a true bargain/steal.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 21, 2019 7:52:18 GMT -5
The draft network guys did a collective live mock. The following players were available. Who are you taking? Jerry Tillery Chris Lindstrom Deandre Baker Irv Smith Jr Parris Campbell Deebo Samuel Daniel Jones Greg little (I think every safety was on the board?) In case people are wondering. The following players were off the board. Hockenson Fant Bush Harry Butler AJ Brown Risner Lawrence Wilkinson Ferrel Metcalf M. Brown Bradburry With the 32nd pick, in the 2019 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select... Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State I've watched a lot more film on Campbell now, I'm not sure this guy is a first round pick. On one hand I think he may fit in to our short passing game, but on the other, can he do anything else right now? And for a bigger/stronger guy, I wasn't that impressed with his ability to break a tackle and make that first down. Yes if he gets space he's gone, but he won't get that space and I don't know if he'll create it on his own. There were just so many plays where he'd catch it in front of the third down marker and he just couldn't extend his body past the defender and get it. I found that to be disappointing. Then again with a super accurate Brady throwing to him perhaps he would really fit in to this offense. I don't know. One thing I was kind of surprised with was Haskins...thought he did a pretty nice job with timing and accuracy on the shorter throws. He surprised me with his short game quite a bit, the quickness of it, the composure, the release. Not sure about his long game or running ability, but he went up a notch in my book...maybe not that much but a bit.
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