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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 17:49:40 GMT -5
I'm still leaning at Jerry Tillery if he's available at 32. I just see a BB Bullseye on a Notre Dame kid. This kid gets Coached right, he could dominate in the Seymour mold. Real explosive.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 19, 2019 19:20:50 GMT -5
I'm still leaning at Jerry Tillery if he's available at 32. I just see a BB Bullseye on a Notre Dame kid. This kid gets Coached right, he could dominate in the Seymour mold. Real explosive. All comes down to football character and whether or not they feel like football is the most important thing to him... because all the size and talent is there to be a dominant force... and he makes a ton of sense at that spot. I'm leaning Parris Campbell as things stand tonight. Premium athleticism and upside; versatile with immediate big play potential and he could also impact in the return game... and he was a two-time captain. BB has seen firsthand the type of stress a player like Tyreek Hill can put on a defense... and I just can't shake the thought of BB wanting Percy Harvin in Rd 1 of the 2009 draft.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 19, 2019 21:34:20 GMT -5
I'm still leaning at Jerry Tillery if he's available at 32. I just see a BB Bullseye on a Notre Dame kid. This kid gets Coached right, he could dominate in the Seymour mold. Real explosive. All comes down to football character and whether or not they feel like football is the most important thing to him... because all the size and talent is there to be a dominant force... and he makes a ton of sense at that spot. I'm leaning Parris Campbell as things stand tonight. Premium athleticism and upside; versatile with immediate big play potential and he could also impact in the return game... and he was a two-time captain. BB has seen firsthand the type of stress a player like Tyreek Hill can put on a defense... and I just can't shake the thought of BB wanting Percy Harvin in Rd 1 of the 2009 draft. I could definitely get on board with the idea of Paris Campbell in this offense. I highly doubt Belichick will go WR in Rnd 1, though.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 5:53:57 GMT -5
Interesting. And I get it, it's a weird time of year, where you shouldn't believe much of what you ready... but it is interesting...
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 6:16:04 GMT -5
All comes down to football character and whether or not they feel like football is the most important thing to him... because all the size and talent is there to be a dominant force... and he makes a ton of sense at that spot. I'm leaning Parris Campbell as things stand tonight. Premium athleticism and upside; versatile with immediate big play potential and he could also impact in the return game... and he was a two-time captain. BB has seen firsthand the type of stress a player like Tyreek Hill can put on a defense... and I just can't shake the thought of BB wanting Percy Harvin in Rd 1 of the 2009 draft. I could definitely get on board with the idea of Paris Campbell in this offense. I highly doubt Belichick will go WR in Rnd 1, though. It's certainly unprecedented during his time in NE, but I keep coming back to Harvin... in that he's a bit of an offensive weapon, and can also return kicks. Not saying he'll do it, but this might be as good as year as any to break with from the norm.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 20, 2019 7:53:23 GMT -5
I'm still leaning at Jerry Tillery if he's available at 32. I just see a BB Bullseye on a Notre Dame kid. This kid gets Coached right, he could dominate in the Seymour mold. Real explosive. All comes down to football character and whether or not they feel like football is the most important thing to him... because all the size and talent is there to be a dominant force... and he makes a ton of sense at that spot. I'm leaning Parris Campbell as things stand tonight. Premium athleticism and upside; versatile with immediate big play potential and he could also impact in the return game... and he was a two-time captain. BB has seen firsthand the type of stress a player like Tyreek Hill can put on a defense... and I just can't shake the thought of BB wanting Percy Harvin in Rd 1 of the 2009 draft. How do you compare Campbell and Samuel? I think it depends on how patient BB is willing to be. Campbell May take a year or two to acclimate and learn. I feel Samuel, while not as athletic, is a technician with solid speed and quicks and absolute savage after the catch. To me he is much more pro ready and developed.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 20, 2019 7:53:42 GMT -5
I'm still leaning at Jerry Tillery if he's available at 32. I just see a BB Bullseye on a Notre Dame kid. This kid gets Coached right, he could dominate in the Seymour mold. Real explosive. I would like him as well. We need depth on the d line.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 8:20:35 GMT -5
All comes down to football character and whether or not they feel like football is the most important thing to him... because all the size and talent is there to be a dominant force... and he makes a ton of sense at that spot. I'm leaning Parris Campbell as things stand tonight. Premium athleticism and upside; versatile with immediate big play potential and he could also impact in the return game... and he was a two-time captain. BB has seen firsthand the type of stress a player like Tyreek Hill can put on a defense... and I just can't shake the thought of BB wanting Percy Harvin in Rd 1 of the 2009 draft. How do you compare Campbell and Samuel? I think it depends on how patient BB is willing to be. Campbell May take a year or two to acclimate and learn. I feel Samuel, while not as athletic, is a technician with solid speed and quicks and absolute savage after the catch. To me he is much more pro ready and developed. Yeah, I think Samuel is the more polished/refined route-runner, while Campbell is the better athlete, with significantly more juice... and while both have great RAC ability, Campbell is the bigger threat to house one from anywhere on the field, due to his elite speed/burst. Samuel's speed is good, but not 4.31 good. I also think you could make a case that either is the better prospect, and that it all depends on what the team that's drafting is looking for. And I would say that based on BB's history of drafting WR's "early", I'd lean towards Campbell, due to the combo of elite speed, and athletic measurables... but would be stoked with either.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 20, 2019 9:19:52 GMT -5
Hey draft guys. Have a friend who was a college WR a million years ago and signed with the Falcons as a UDFA but got hurt and yadda, yadda, yadda, became a teacher. Anyway, he studies WRs in the draft for fun. FWIW, he swears that Harry from ASU is the best guy, likes Samuel and Brown also. But says Harry reminds him of Troy Brown with three more inches and 30 more pounds. As I said FWIW.
Me, I hope they get an Iowa TE. I remember Marv Cook. Forgotten guy from the dark era (early 90s) but was a solid two way player.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 20, 2019 9:35:34 GMT -5
Quick Saturday Morning Mock....
This isn’t a final mock, but I’ve got a few thoughts I wanted to float. I’m now assuming Dex. Lawrence is gone by 32, and the Two Iowa TEs go Top 20.
32. Jerry Tillery. DT. ND. He’s a swing for the fences, but the upside is huge.
NE trades 56 & 101 to DET for 43
43. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. MB’s right. This is the type of athlete at the WR position that could really spark Belichick’s interest. His upside as a KR is a bonus.
64. Chase Winovich. DE. Michigan. This guy has screamed Patriot to me since last fall. Solid Edge player.
NE calls Matty P Again. NE trades 73 to DET for 88 and 111
88. Dawson Knox. TE. Mississippi. Knox is a high upside TE. He can contribute as a blocker right away and his receiving potential is intriguing.
97. Ryan Finley. QB. NC St. Finley is worth a shot late in the 3rd.
NE trades 111 & 205 to SF for 104
104. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve discussed him a lot. High upside Guard prospect to keep the O-Line pipeline strong.
134. Blake Cashman. LB. MInnesota. Underrated LB prospect. Can also be a valuable ST player.
NE trades 239 & 243 to Washington for 206
206. Dontavius Russell. DT. Auburn. This is a great class to improve the D-Line. If NE got Tillery, Winovich, and the big bodied Russell, that would be a tremendous improvement.
246. Diontae Johnson. WR. Toledo. The twitchy WR from Toledo could carve out a role in this offense. Maybe a Practice Squad guy to begin his career.
252. Saquan Hampton. S. Rutgers. Let the Rutgers Safety jokes fly. But Hampton has great size and can play. ST player at least, but he could make out Backfield rotation after some time to develop.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 20, 2019 9:53:25 GMT -5
Quick Saturday Morning Mock.... This isn’t a final mock, but I’ve got a few thoughts I wanted to float. I’m now assuming Dex. Lawrence is gone by 32, and the Two Iowa TEs go Top 20. 32. Jerry Tillery. DT. ND. He’s a swing for the fences, but the upside is huge. NE trades 56 & 101 to DET for 43 43. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. MB’s right. This is the type of athlete at the WR position that could really spark Belichick’s interest. His upside as a KR is a bonus. 64. Chase Winovich. DE. Michigan. This guy has screamed Patriot to me since last fall. Solid Edge player. NE calls Matty P Again. NE trades 73 to DET for 88 and 111 88. Dawson Knox. TE. Mississippi. Knox is a high upside TE. He can contribute as a blocker right away and his receiving potential is intriguing. 97. Ryan Finley. QB. NC St. Finley is worth a shot late in the 3rd. NE trades 111 & 205 to SF for 104 104. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve discussed him a lot. High upside Guard prospect to keep the O-Line pipeline strong. 134. Blake Cashman. LB. MInnesota. Underrated LB prospect. Can also be a valuable ST player. NE trades 239 & 243 to Washington for 206 206. Dontavius Russell. DT. Auburn. This is a great class to improve the D-Line. If NE got Tillery, Winovich, and the big bodied Russell, that would be a tremendous improvement. 246. Diontae Johnson. WR. Toledo. The twitchy WR from Toledo could carve out a role in this offense. Maybe a Practice Squad guy to begin his career. 252. Saquan Hampton. S. Rutgers. Let the Rutgers Safety jokes fly. But Hampton has great size and can play. ST player at least, but he could make out Backfield rotation after some time to develop. Not a bad class but hope for a better tight end and i rather double dip at wr early. Idk if we take a qb this year but maybe they do. Tillery is the guy i want. I think he can be a very good player at the next level.
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 20, 2019 10:09:41 GMT -5
Interesting. And I get it, it's a weird time of year, where you shouldn't believe much of what you ready... but it is interesting... Well if Billy was interested, that Instagram post may have soured him some on Deebo.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 10:41:14 GMT -5
Interesting. And I get it, it's a weird time of year, where you shouldn't believe much of what you ready... but it is interesting... Well if Billy was interested, that Instagram post may have soured him some on Deebo. Or maybe it's all part of the game... IDK. BB is the master of the mind-fvck, haha.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 10:52:09 GMT -5
Hey draft guys. Have a friend who was a college WR a million years ago and signed with the Falcons as a UDFA but got hurt and yadda, yadda, yadda, became a teacher. Anyway, he studies WRs in the draft for fun. FWIW, he swears that Harry from ASU is the best guy, likes Samuel and Brown also. But says Harry reminds him of Troy Brown with three more inches and 30 more pounds. As I said FWIW. Me, I hope they get an Iowa TE. I remember Marv Cook. Forgotten guy from the dark era (early 90s) but was a solid two way player. Hey man, thanks for sharing! I think it all comes down to what teams are looking for in a WR, and that's the beauty of this class, as there's depth, and some different skill sets to choose from... and there really isn't a consensus top guy, maybe outside of DK Metcalf... though his projection is based more on him having the most upside of any WR in this class, due to his wacky combo of size, length, speed and hops. An he isn't an Iowa player, but Irv Smith Jr. looks like a solid two-way player to me. He's not big (close to the same size as Marv), and didn't test out as a great athlete... but his tape is very good, IMO... and I like him in the top 40 range. Plus, they both have an "rv" in their first names, haha.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 11:29:47 GMT -5
Quick Saturday Morning Mock.... This isn’t a final mock, but I’ve got a few thoughts I wanted to float. I’m now assuming Dex. Lawrence is gone by 32, and the Two Iowa TEs go Top 20. 32. Jerry Tillery. DT. ND. He’s a swing for the fences, but the upside is huge. NE trades 56 & 101 to DET for 43 43. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. MB’s right. This is the type of athlete at the WR position that could really spark Belichick’s interest. His upside as a KR is a bonus. 64. Chase Winovich. DE. Michigan. This guy has screamed Patriot to me since last fall. Solid Edge player. NE calls Matty P Again. NE trades 73 to DET for 88 and 111 88. Dawson Knox. TE. Mississippi. Knox is a high upside TE. He can contribute as a blocker right away and his receiving potential is intriguing. 97. Ryan Finley. QB. NC St. Finley is worth a shot late in the 3rd. NE trades 111 & 205 to SF for 104 104. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve discussed him a lot. High upside Guard prospect to keep the O-Line pipeline strong. 134. Blake Cashman. LB. MInnesota. Underrated LB prospect. Can also be a valuable ST player. NE trades 239 & 243 to Washington for 206 206. Dontavius Russell. DT. Auburn. This is a great class to improve the D-Line. If NE got Tillery, Winovich, and the big bodied Russell, that would be a tremendous improvement. 246. Diontae Johnson. WR. Toledo. The twitchy WR from Toledo could carve out a role in this offense. Maybe a Practice Squad guy to begin his career. 252. Saquan Hampton. S. Rutgers. Let the Rutgers Safety jokes fly. But Hampton has great size and can play. ST player at least, but he could make out Backfield rotation after some time to develop. Good work, man... that'd be a heck of a haul!
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Post by muzwell on Apr 20, 2019 11:32:34 GMT -5
Hey draft guys. Have a friend who was a college WR a million years ago and signed with the Falcons as a UDFA but got hurt and yadda, yadda, yadda, became a teacher. Anyway, he studies WRs in the draft for fun. FWIW, he swears that Harry from ASU is the best guy, likes Samuel and Brown also. But says Harry reminds him of Troy Brown with three more inches and 30 more pounds. As I said FWIW. Me, I hope they get an Iowa TE. I remember Marv Cook. Forgotten guy from the dark era (early 90s) but was a solid two way player. Hey man, thanks for sharing! I think it all comes down to what teams are looking for in a WR, and that's the beauty of this class, as there's depth, and some different skill sets to choose from... and there really isn't a consensus top guy, maybe outside of DK Metcalf... though his projection is based more on him having the most upside of any WR in this class, due to his wacky combo of size, length, speed and hops. An he isn't an Iowa player, but Irv Smith Jr. looks like a solid two-way player to me. He's not big (close to the same size as Marv), and didn't test out as a great athlete... but his tape is very good, IMO... and I like him in the top 40 range. Plus, they both have an "rv" in their first names, haha. Yeah, times have changed. Marv was a good sized TE back then. As for Harry, my bud is most impressed by his route running. That's where the Troy Brown comp applies. I wouldn't be totally surprised if they didn't draft a TE at all, or not until day 3. May be satisfied with what they already have. Although, you never know with this team.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 20, 2019 11:44:17 GMT -5
Man I would be really disappointed if the Patriots took Parris in the 1st round.
Dude is lightning but only runs 2 and a half routes. One route is just a modification of his primary route he runs.
Ex Pro Brain Hartline was his WR coach, plus he had Urban and Schiano so it is not like he lacked elite coaching. He has played the position for 4 years. Why has he not progressed past 2 and a half routes by now exactly?
His avg. depth of reception was just over 4 yards. So his YAC is obviously great but if he is working the same area of the field as Edelman I am not sure that fills a need since that area is pretty well covered.
He is also nothing like Hill or Harvin imo as both of those dudes had significant experience taking handoffs running the ball from the backfield. The most Parris has ever done it is 10 attempts in a single season.
Can he do way more that what he has? Sure I guess but that is an awful lot of projecting for a play at a position that is already a HUGE projection in and of itself. I would not want to take that kind of risk in a 1st round pick. Not unless it was a complete luxury pick with a stacked team. That is not the current state of the Pats.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 11:52:06 GMT -5
Anyone think the Pennel signing makes drafting a mammoth DT in the 1st unlikely?
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 20, 2019 11:54:01 GMT -5
FWIW, and circumstances play a lot into this, but so far I have only found 4 WRs in this class that meet the three following criteria:
-> At least 150 college career receptions -> Career team market share of offensive targets greater than or equal to 25% -> Avg career yards per catch equal to or greater than 15
The List:
-> N'Keal Harry -> A.J. Brown -> Kelvin Harmon -> Andy Isabella
The NEXT two closest were:
Stanley Morgan Jr: 189 Rec, 29% TMS, 14.5 YPC Deebo Samuel: 148 Rec, 24% TMS, 14 YPC
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 11:57:34 GMT -5
My Mock V3... here's what I'm thinking heading into draft week.
32. Parris Campbell WR/KR Ohio State- Two-time Captain... BB finally breaks precedent and drafts an ultra-fast and athletic offensive weapon (n the Percy Harvin mold) that can return kicks. 56. Kaleb McGary OT Washington- Team Captain, and their RT of the future. The arm length isn't idea (32 7/8), but he's tough, physical and has that hulking presence that they like in their OT's. 64. Amani Hooker S Iowa- Versatile, athletic defensive back with top notch instincts that could eventually replace Chung as the do-it-all strong safety. 73. Kahale Warring TE San Diego St- A big , athletic TE with a lot of upside, and experience as an in-line blocker in a power-running offense. 97. Anthony Nelson EDGE Iowa- Another tough Iowa player, with the size, length, movement ability and stoutness at the POA that they covet. 101. Renell Wren DT Arizona State- Team Captain. Prototype size, length and athleticism, and BB has connections to his former HC. They've also done well with another ASU alum, Lawrence Guy. 134. Drue Tranquill LB Notre Dame- Two-time Captain. He's as tough a player as there is in this draft, and provides an ideal replacement for Elandon Roberts (FA in 2020). Should also star on ST. 205. Hjalte Froholdt OG/C Arkansas- Team Captain. Still relatively new to the OL, but has good size, versatility and toughness. His former HC, Brett Bielema, is also part of NE's staff. 239. Easton Stick QB North Dakota State- Three-time Captain. Accomplished lower level QB with good athleticism and leadership qualities. He's a development QB to compete with Hoyer and Etling. 243. Jonathan Ledbetter DL Georgia- BB seems to love them Georgia boys, and Ledbetter is a high effort tweener that could provide quality depth along the DL. 246. Cody Thompson WR Toledo- Team Captain. Solid route-runner, with good hands and some quicks/RAC ability. He just looks like their typical day 3 WR, that could out-play his draft position. 252. Elijah Holyfield RB Georgia- Team Captain. Son of the former champ... he has pedestrian timed speed, but runs as hard as any back in this draft, and could be a solid short yardage type early on.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 20, 2019 12:01:14 GMT -5
Anyone think the Pennel signing makes drafting a mammoth DT in the 1st unlikely? Well the only one being discussed is Dexter Lawrence. There isn't another. I do not believe the Pennel signing does affect his consideration no. If Pats drafted him, he's a baby, they would have control of him for potentially 5 years, he is really athletic for his size like vince Wilfork. BP: Wilfork 36 reps Lawrence 36 reps (his arms are 2 inches longer than Wilforks) 40 yard dash: Wilfork: 5.21 Lawrence: 5.05 Lawrence can push a pocket if asked to. The Pats have three big stout dudes last season in Guy, Shelton, Brown. Guy is back, Pennel replaces one of the other two, who is the replacement for the last one? Parry? Dude wasn't even with a team last year I don't think.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 12:24:40 GMT -5
Man I would be really disappointed if the Patriots took Parris in the 1st round. Dude is lightning but only runs 2 and a half routes. One route is just a modification of his primary route he runs. Ex Pro Brain Hartline was his WR coach, plus he had Urban and Schiano so it is not like he lacked elite coaching. He has played the position for 4 years. Why has he not progressed past 2 and a half routes by now exactly? His avg. depth of reception was just over 4 yards. So his YAC is obviously great but if he is working the same area of the field as Edelman I am not sure that fills a need since that area is pretty well covered. He is also nothing like Hill or Harvin imo as both of those dudes had significant experience taking handoffs running the ball from the backfield. The most Parris has ever done it is 10 attempts in a single season. Can he do way more that what he has? Sure I guess but that is an awful lot of projecting for a play at a position that is already a HUGE projection in and of itself. I would not want to take that kind of risk in a 1st round pick. Not unless it was a complete luxury pick with a stacked team. That is not the current state of the Pats. I think his running/hand-off stat is misleading, and actually favors Haskins, as you can see on tape that he gets a lot of those short pop passes that Cooks used to get. So he'll go in motion, and instead of handing the ball off to him, it's a short little pop/push pass/jet sweep (whatever you wanna call it) and Campbell does all the work. Check out between the 4 and 6 minute marks for multiple examples and then again at the 7:00 mark, for another example of what I'm talking about. This goes down as a 70+ yard TD pass for Haskins, but it was all Campbell. And if you're talking pure hand-offs from an RB position, sure there aren't examples on tape (at least not that I've seen, and I've watch a lot of his tape, but I don't see anything on his tape, or in regards to his size, athleticism and ability after the catch,that tells me couldn't do it from a stationary start.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 20, 2019 12:26:11 GMT -5
Anyone think the Pennel signing makes drafting a mammoth DT in the 1st unlikely? Well the only one being discussed is Dexter Lawrence. There isn't another. I do not believe the Pennel signing does affect his consideration no. If Pats drafted him, he's a baby, they would have control of him for potentially 5 years, he is really athletic for his size like vince Wilfork. BP: Wilfork 36 reps Lawrence 36 reps (his arms are 2 inches longer than Wilforks) 40 yard dash: Wilfork: 5.21 Lawrence: 5.05 Lawrence can push a pocket if asked to. The Pats have three big stout dudes last season in Guy, Shelton, Brown. Guy is back, Pennel replaces one of the other two, who is the replacement for the last one? Parry? Dude wasn't even with a team last year I don't think. Agree. I don't think the Pennel signing would prevent them from taking Lawrence either.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 20, 2019 12:27:32 GMT -5
Man I would be really disappointed if the Patriots took Parris in the 1st round. Dude is lightning but only runs 2 and a half routes. One route is just a modification of his primary route he runs. Ex Pro Brain Hartline was his WR coach, plus he had Urban and Schiano so it is not like he lacked elite coaching. He has played the position for 4 years. Why has he not progressed past 2 and a half routes by now exactly? His avg. depth of reception was just over 4 yards. So his YAC is obviously great but if he is working the same area of the field as Edelman I am not sure that fills a need since that area is pretty well covered. He is also nothing like Hill or Harvin imo as both of those dudes had significant experience taking handoffs running the ball from the backfield. The most Parris has ever done it is 10 attempts in a single season. Can he do way more that what he has? Sure I guess but that is an awful lot of projecting for a play at a position that is already a HUGE projection in and of itself. I would not want to take that kind of risk in a 1st round pick. Not unless it was a complete luxury pick with a stacked team. That is not the current state of the Pats. I think his running/hand-off stat is misleading, and actually favors Haskins, as you can see on tape that he gets a lot of those short pop passes that Cooks used to get. So he'll go in motion, and instead of handing the ball off to him, it's a short little pop/push pass/jet sweep (whatever you wanna call it) and Campbell does all the work. Check out between the 4 and 6 minute marks for multiple examples and then again at the 7:00 mark, for another example of what I'm talking about. This goes down as a 70+ yard TD pass for Haskins, but it was all Campbell. And if you're talking pure hand-offs from an RB position, sure there aren't examples on tape (at least not that I've seen, and I've watch a lot of his tape, but I don't see anything on his tape, or in regards to his size, athleticism and ability after the catch,that tells me couldn't do it from a stationary start. I'm not saying I do not like the player MB. I am saying I do not like the player or position in Rd one.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 20, 2019 12:55:55 GMT -5
I'm just hoping there isn't this massive run on WR's drafted from picks 33-55
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