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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:25:38 GMT -5
This gets brought up a ton because it did happen. 2 things on this front: 1) It happened over 2 years ago at this point and nothing since. He was a senior in high school and he was not involved with the girl. Meaning it was not his girlfriend or something. It was a fight between others with his sister being involved and while a girl was already on the ground he jumped in standing over her and let off a half dozen cheap shot while she was covering up in a ball. Young punk move. 2) Since the incident, he has been a model citizen and reports are people rave about the young man he has since decided to become and his interviews supposedly went well That is all I've been able to find on him regarding the matter. What sucks for him, is that it's on video... and it can be looked at anytime. So, despite the perception that he's been a model citizen since, it still lingers due to the visual evidence. Will this impact his standing/position on NE's board? If not, then I don't see how they pass on him, if he falls to #32. Daniel Jeremiah had Simmons going in the early 20’s in a mock from last week
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2019 10:31:42 GMT -5
What sucks for him, is that it's on video... and it can be looked at anytime. So, despite the perception that he's been a model citizen since, it still lingers due to the visual evidence. Will this impact his standing/position on NE's board? If not, then I don't see how they pass on him, if he falls to #32. Daniel Jeremiah had Simmons going in the early 20’s in a mock from last week He's a Top 10 prospect in the class... but he tore his ACL in Feb, which is why he might be available at #32. And while other teams might not care as much, NE has generally stayed away from players that have put their hands on a female.
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Post by portfolio1 on Apr 22, 2019 10:36:06 GMT -5
A few random Patriots draft thoughts... I really don’t think that WR is as dire of a need as everyone is making it out to be. Edelman is still the man. Dorsett has plenty of experience in the system now and made numerous big catches last year. Berries is a guy that many were high on last year and he has had a year to develop. He has a good chance to contribute. Ellington is a very talented player and if he stays healthy I think he makes the team. Thomas is a question mark, and I think he will start on PUP, but there is a good chance that he can be a nice contributor in the 2nd half of the season. Who knows what happens with Gordon, but if he returns at some point he’s still extremely talented. Point is, the cupboard isn’t exactly bare. Do we need a rookie? Yes. Maybe even 2. But we certainly don’t need to force the issue and draft a WR early unless that happens to be the best value pick. With that said, I really don’t think NE will draft a WR in the 1st Rnd. Belichick has never done that, and I don’t think he will start now. IMO, the current TE position is better than people think, too. Gronk is no doubt a huge loss, but look at what we have. ASJ has been a disappointment, but he has the talent be be a big addition. Health will be key. Many think that Izzo is in the plans as a future blocking TE. Anderson is an intriguing guy. Many think he has the tools to be a good receiving option. Finally, Hollister is probably on his last chance, but if he can stay healthy he could push for a spot. Again, do we need a rookie TE? Yes. But like WR, there is no need to force the issue. This draft has plenty of TE options. Belichick may wait on the position if he likes the value elsewhere early on. I don’t think we’re picking at 32. I think BB will be targeting a player in that early 20s range and I think he will be willing to move up if the right guy is there. (Ferrel? Bradbury? Fant? Wilkins?) A trade back from 32 is also a possibility, but with the already impressive amount of picks that the Patriots have this year, I think a trade up is more likely this year. IF NE does trade back from 32, I think future draft picks would be a big part of the compensation. I really love the “trenches” in this draft. I think NE will come away from this class with a strong haul on the D-Line and at least 1 quality O-Lineman. I also love this Safety class. Many don’t agree, but I think NE will start planning for the future without Chung and/or DMC this year. I think they will draft a Safety somewhere in the Top 100. (Savage? Hooker? Gardner-Johnson?) I think Etling’s Upside may be as good as most of the QBs in this class. I don’t think NE will draft a QB until Day 3...if at all. I think BB will draft a LB late 3rd Rnd or later who will make this team as a ST and eventually develop into a starter. (Cashman? Tranquil? Burr-Kieven?) I only think NE will draft 1 TE, but I expect it to come somewhere in the Top 101. I’m pretty certain that most Patritos fans will come away from this class pretty disappointed with Belichick’s picks. He will make some unexpected picks and unexpected moves that will piss a lot of people off. 3 years down the road, I think Belichick will largely be proven right, and the critics will largely be proven wrong. Lol More or less agree with your points. I think WR is a bit more suspect than you giver credit for. Jules is 32. Berrios we can be hopeful about but not rely on just yet. Same for Duke (that would be Ellington). I will add though that it is rare that a rookie WR can contribute significantly. Especially with TB not going to optionals. I have more faith in Hollister than you ... sort of a reverse Berrios. Agree that we add in the trenches. And safety. I think S is almost a forgone conclusion for BB in this draft. One if not two.
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Post by tg19pats on Apr 22, 2019 10:50:56 GMT -5
catching up on all the draft pages as kids have gotten in the ay AGAIN, as for my dream guy would love Josh Allen. the only thing I think we will see is bill will not let 70 picks go by without doing something. lol in my last 2 mock drafts Ferrel has fallen to pats, would love him in a pats uniform. have a great week everyone and enjoy Thursday night.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 22, 2019 11:13:22 GMT -5
Daniel Jeremiah had Simmons going in the early 20’s in a mock from last week He's a Top 10 prospect in the class... but he tore his ACL in Feb, which is why he might be available at #32. And while other teams might not care as much, NE has generally stayed away from players that have put their hands on a female. I am hoping for a defensive player. A guy like tillery. If AJ brown is there you draft him but idk if he will be there.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2019 11:20:57 GMT -5
He's a Top 10 prospect in the class... but he tore his ACL in Feb, which is why he might be available at #32. And while other teams might not care as much, NE has generally stayed away from players that have put their hands on a female. I am hoping for a defensive player. A guy like tillery. If AJ brown is there you draft him but idk if he will be there. I’d like Tillery, too. I really don’t think BB is taking WR in Rnd 1. He’s never done that before
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2019 11:43:36 GMT -5
A few random Patriots draft thoughts... I really don’t think that WR is as dire of a need as everyone is making it out to be. Edelman is still the man. Dorsett has plenty of experience in the system now and made numerous big catches last year. Berries is a guy that many were high on last year and he has had a year to develop. He has a good chance to contribute. Ellington is a very talented player and if he stays healthy I think he makes the team. Thomas is a question mark, and I think he will start on PUP, but there is a good chance that he can be a nice contributor in the 2nd half of the season. Who knows what happens with Gordon, but if he returns at some point he’s still extremely talented. Point is, the cupboard isn’t exactly bare. Do we need a rookie? Yes. Maybe even 2. But we certainly don’t need to force the issue and draft a WR early unless that happens to be the best value pick. I see it differently. I view it as, you have a soon to be 33 y/o stud slot guy that has never been overly durable... a good outside WR, that maybe isn't in his prime, is coming off a torn achilles, and is here on a one year deal, and maybe an untrustworthy Josh Gordon... then a bunch of JAG's (I include Dorsett in this) and unproven players (i.e Berrios). Now, I'm not saying that they have to take a WR in R 1, but I can't imagine they don't take one on Day 2. I also view the the amount of money they were willing to spend on Humphries as an indictment on the lack of talent/depth that they have on the roster, at the position. And even if they could get buy this year... the situation could seemingly look worse next year. With that said, I really don’t think NE will draft a WR in the 1st Rnd. Belichick has never done that, and I don’t think he will start now. IMO, the current TE position is better than people think, too. Gronk is no doubt a huge loss, but look at what we have. ASJ has been a disappointment, but he has the talent be be a big addition. Health will be key. Many think that Izzo is in the plans as a future blocking TE. Anderson is an intriguing guy. Many think he has the tools to be a good receiving option. Finally, Hollister is probably on his last chance, but if he can stay healthy he could push for a spot. Again, do we need a rookie TE? Yes. But like WR, there is no need to force the issue. This draft has plenty of TE options. Belichick may wait on the position if he likes the value elsewhere early on. This is another position where I think they have a bunch of "meh" players... was ASJ being the most talented, but certainly not being paid like it. I'll be disappointed if they don't take a TE over the first few days. I don’t think we’re picking at 32. I think BB will be targeting a player in that early 20s range and I think he will be willing to move up if the right guy is there. (Ferrel? Bradbury? Fant? Wilkins?) A trade back from 32 is also a possibility, but with the already impressive amount of picks that the Patriots have this year, I think a trade up is more likely this year. IF NE does trade back from 32, I think future draft picks would be a big part of the compensation. Yeah, I can agree that a move up or down seems likely. I really love the “trenches” in this draft. I think NE will come away from this class with a strong haul on the D-Line and at least 1 quality O-Lineman. I like the overall OL class better than the DL class (at least as it pertains to who might be available at pick #32), but the DL class has some really good potential options at the top. I also love this Safety class. Many don’t agree, but I think NE will start planning for the future without Chung and/or DMC this year. I think they will draft a Safety somewhere in the Top 100. (Savage? Hooker? Gardner-Johnson?) Agreed, I like it a lot too... good depth in the class over the first few days, which quote a few that fit what BB generally looks for at the position... particularly with projected SS's.
I think Etling’s Upside may be as good as most of the QBs in this class. I don’t think NE will draft a QB until Day 3...if at all. I think BB will draft a LB late 3rd Rnd or later who will make this team as a ST and eventually develop into a starter. (Cashman? Tranquil? Burr-Kieven?) Agreed... would love one of those players, or a Cody Barton or Jahlani Tavai, etc., in the middle rounds. I only think NE will draft 1 TE, but I expect it to come somewhere in the Top 101. I’m pretty certain that most Patritos fans will come away from this class pretty disappointed with Belichick’s picks. He will make some unexpected picks and unexpected moves that will piss a lot of people off. 3 years down the road, I think Belichick will largely be proven right, and the critics will largely be proven wrong. Lol I just don't want Greg Little or Gerald Willis, haha. And I would get the Little pick if they made it... I just don't like his overall effort, and the consistency with which he finishes plays.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 22, 2019 11:50:07 GMT -5
I’d love to see Ed Oliver in a Pats uniform doing everything.Easley was drafted to do and then some. If we are being silly then put me down for Nick Bosa. If we are a tad more reasonable then let’s move up for Hockenson. If we are being more likely of a great player sliding then the kid with the torn ACL at 32. I think we pass though because of the rumor about domestic violence. Being silly? I think the question was framed “pipe dream”. Pipe dream meaning would love it but ain’t happening...hence the pipe and dream.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2019 12:10:19 GMT -5
And for the record, my pipe-dream player is one that doesn't really fit their general size profile at the position, but I think he can be a true equalizer to whatever team drafts him, because of his combo of speed, instincts, physicality, toughness and athletic profile.
The player is Devin Bush, LB, Michigan.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2019 12:16:01 GMT -5
Happy Draft Week! My feeling, heading into the draft, is that NC State Garrett Bradbury (the #1 player on my board), will be the player they target with their first pick... whether it be at #32, or a trade up. He's perfect for NE's scheme, has a ton of what they generally value in their interior o-linemen. I hope not. He can be good but he’s just another guard. I want a position of need. If they go for an OL i hope it’s a tackle. I recommend checking out his 2018 tape vs. Clemson. I think he's as good an offensive football player as there is in this class... but plays a non-sexy position.
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 22, 2019 13:05:29 GMT -5
DRAFT WEEK!!! FINALLY
I like the idea of getting another Patriot Core guy like Bradbury in this draft. With our renewed focus on the running game, interior play at center or guard is more valuable than out at tackle imo.
Looking at the 1st round I feel like Seattle would be a realistic trade partner as they only have 4 picks in the entire draft and should welcome a chance to acquire more middle round value picks. I have no issues taking Bradbury at 21, if the Titans don't snag him.
Who else would any of you guys want at #21 in a hypothetical trade with seahawks?
I would actually move up for Fant. I think his fit in our system at a time of need would maximize his potential. He could be a great safety valve and matchup problem in this run heavy O. Jules is 33 and Brady is 42 next season. We need short area guys who can get open fast and line up all over the place. Probably too risky though.
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Post by tswfan on Apr 22, 2019 13:37:38 GMT -5
Happy Draft Week! My feeling, heading into the draft, is that NC State Garrett Bradbury (the #1 player on my board), will be the player they target with their first pick... whether it be at #32, or a trade up. He's perfect for NE's scheme, has a ton of what they generally value in their interior o-linemen. You da Man
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2019 13:43:05 GMT -5
So, FWIW, I asked a female friend of mine, that knows nothing about the draft, who NE would take in the 1st round of the draft... and gave her the below options: Garrett Bradbury Dalton Risner Chris Lindstrom Dexter Lawrence Jerry Tillery Irv Smith Jr. Parris Campbell Deebo Samuel AJ Brown N'Keal Harry Daniel Jones Other Her choice? Dexter Lawrence... because she likes the name Dexter.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 22, 2019 14:38:08 GMT -5
I am going to say that because we have talked about names like Bradburry and Lawrence as of late there is almost no chance either will last till 32.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2019 14:58:47 GMT -5
I am going to say that because we have talked about names like Bradburry and Lawrence as of late there is almost no chance either will last till 32. Bradbury won’t make it to 32. No way. It will be lucky if he makes it to 21 where NE could maybe trade up. Dexter probably doesn’t make it to 32 either
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 22, 2019 16:05:48 GMT -5
Kudos MB for this thread. Since living overseas I haven't followed college football at all and am clueless on college players.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 22, 2019 16:45:58 GMT -5
I haven’t heard much on Dillon Mitchell from oregon? Any thoughts? Big senior year.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 22, 2019 18:30:15 GMT -5
Is it just my perception or did the Patriots sign both D. Thomas & A. Seferian-Jenkins "after" they had their top prospect players at those respective positions in for their special Foxborough visits? It just feels like they looked at what might be available early to them, had them in for some special one-on-one time, and were like yeah no we are not doing that early for likes of you lot.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 22, 2019 18:38:46 GMT -5
Wonderlic scores for top QBs:
Ryan Finley: 43 (re-test) gardner Minshew: 42 Daniel Jones: 37 Easton Stick: 32 Will Grier: 30 Brett Rypien: 28 Jarrett Stidham: 27 Drew Lock 26 Dwayne Haskins: 25 Tyree Jackson: 25 Kyler Murray: 20
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 22, 2019 20:18:30 GMT -5
I hope not. He can be good but he’s just another guard. I want a position of need. If they go for an OL i hope it’s a tackle. I recommend checking out his 2018 tape vs. Clemson. I think he's as good an offensive football player as there is in this class... but plays a non-sexy position. He does not run routes and catch passes. That means he's worthless to #1.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 22, 2019 20:28:57 GMT -5
In that scenario, I would not be surprised if they try to trade 32 and 73 for DET's 44 and 88 plus change. cbssports predicts D Lawrence available at 32 and does not get picked until #40 to Buffalo. D Lawrence is also being mocked at 45 by Draftek. Apparently, they thin his 1.5 sacks in 2018 would deter teams from picking him in Rd 1. I do not think that would deter BB from taking him if he likes how he moves the LOS. NE currently has Mike Pennel and Lawrence Guy. Would they not need a third guy to rotate inside? Confused on the proposed trade ... What's in it for Pats... Detroit would love this Not sure I understand your question. Are you asking about the value of the picks? Pick 32 and 73 is valued at roughly 805 pts. 44 and 88 are valued at roughly 620, so DET would have to offer something additional. Or are you asking why BB would want to trade back? He would if he thinks the value is there. He has done it a few times in prior years and already having a lot picks does not deter him from doing that.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 22, 2019 21:29:47 GMT -5
Confused on the proposed trade ... What's in it for Pats... Detroit would love this Not sure I understand your question. Are you asking about the value of the picks? Pick 32 and 73 is valued at roughly 805 pts. 44 and 88 are valued at roughly 620, so DET would have to offer something additional. Or are you asking why BB would want to trade back? He would if he thinks the value is there. He has done it a few times in prior years and already having a lot picks does not deter him from doing that. I could be reading this all wrong. Not a draft expert. Not bad on basic math though. You want to trade 32 and 73 for 44 and 88. A first round pick and a mid 3rd for a mid 2nd and a low 3rd, and you don't understand what's wrong with that?
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2019 21:35:35 GMT -5
Not sure I understand your question. Are you asking about the value of the picks? Pick 32 and 73 is valued at roughly 805 pts. 44 and 88 are valued at roughly 620, so DET would have to offer something additional. Or are you asking why BB would want to trade back? He would if he thinks the value is there. He has done it a few times in prior years and already having a lot picks does not deter him from doing that. I could be reading this all wrong. Not a draft expert. Not bad on basic math though. You want to trade 32 and 73 for 44 and 88. A first round pick and a mid 3rd for a mid 2nd and a low 3rd, and you don't understand what's wrong with that? I was really scratching my head when I read that as well...
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 22, 2019 22:43:01 GMT -5
I could be reading this all wrong. Not a draft expert. Not bad on basic math though. You want to trade 32 and 73 for 44 and 88. A first round pick and a mid 3rd for a mid 2nd and a low 3rd, and you don't understand what's wrong with that? I was really scratching my head when I read that as well... Obviously I pointed out that the two DET picks I specified have combined value that is not equal to the Pats picks I mentioned. So DET would have to add something into the deal to close the gap. Would it have made more sense if instead of saying "they have to offer something additional" I said "they would need to throw something in addition"? ... meaning they have to throw something in addition to the two picks? ...That something could be in the form of a 2020 pick. Is that not a possible scenario? Or who knows? It could be a player they throw in.
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Post by ATJ on Apr 23, 2019 6:19:18 GMT -5
I was really scratching my head when I read that as well... Obviously I pointed out that the two DET picks I specified have combined value that is not equal to the Pats picks I mentioned. So DET would have to add something into the deal to close the gap. Would it have made more sense if instead of saying "they have to offer something additional" I said "they would need to throw something in addition"? ... meaning they have to throw something in addition to the two picks? ...That something could be in the form of a 2020 pick. Is that not a possible scenario? Or who knows? It could be a player they throw in. Thanks for the clarification. No disrespect intended, but I must confess that I had to read your original post on this scenario a couple of times before I got your meaning.
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