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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 23, 2019 9:21:09 GMT -5
Lowest percentage of "uncatchable" passes on throws up to 20 yards among top QB prospects this class & last class:
Baker Mayfield 12.3% Will Grier 13.2% Kyler Murray 13.4% Sam Darnold 14.9% Dwayne Haskins 15.4% Daniel Jones 16.2% Josh Rosen 16.4% Lamar Jackson 18.9% Drew Lock 20.4% Josh Allen 22.1%
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 9:40:30 GMT -5
Down to 3 surprise Picks at 32. Deandre Baker Nasir Adderley Dalton Risner Still on the Tillery Bandwagon Just going to go by History, and no WR in 1st Round. Surprise I mean I could see these picks, but nobody has them on the radar.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 23, 2019 9:49:31 GMT -5
Is it just my perception or did the Patriots sign both D. Thomas & A. Seferian-Jenkins "after" they had their top prospect players at those respective positions in for their special Foxborough visits? It just feels like they looked at what might be available early to them, had them in for some special one-on-one time, and were like yeah no we are not doing that early for likes of you lot. Haha, I don't think a (1) year deal to a TE (with $50K guaranteed) or WR would have much of an impact on who they draft.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 23, 2019 10:34:21 GMT -5
I was really scratching my head when I read that as well... Obviously I pointed out that the two DET picks I specified have combined value that is not equal to the Pats picks I mentioned. So DET would have to add something into the deal to close the gap. Would it have made more sense if instead of saying "they have to offer something additional" I said "they would need to throw something in addition"? ... meaning they have to throw something in addition to the two picks? ...That something could be in the form of a 2020 pick. Is that not a possible scenario? Or who knows? It could be a player they throw in. Or, why not just 32 for 44 and 88? A first for a second and a third? Is that fair? I have no idea how they judge that stuff.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 23, 2019 10:41:18 GMT -5
I'm not one for predictions but if I was forced to make one. I am going with the Patriots will take an OT with one of their 1st three picks.
Cannon has not played a full season since 2014
Wynn has never played a single snap of OT in a game at the NFL level, finished his college career injured requiring shoulder surgery, ruptured his Achilles before his NFL career could even take off, his strength is his movement and the Achilles goes directly against that in the short term.
Croston has never started a single NFL game at OT and has only been active for an NFL game 5 times in 2 years.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 23, 2019 10:59:35 GMT -5
The more I look at the positional depth charts, how many contracts are expiring, and the age of some players on the team, I am really fascinated this year to see what they do in the draft.
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Post by PatsFanInExile on Apr 23, 2019 11:22:02 GMT -5
I'm not one for predictions but if I was forced to make one. I am going with the Patriots will take an OT with one of their 1st three picks. Cannon has not played a full season since 2014 Wynn has never played a single snap of OT in a game at the NFL level, finished his college career injured requiring shoulder surgery, ruptured his Achilles before his NFL career could even take off, his strength is his movement and the Achilles goes directly against that in the short term. Croston has never started a single NFL game at OT and has only been active for an NFL game 5 times in 2 years. Agreed. Or they use their vast draft capital to trade for a veteran that they have their eyes on within an opponent’s roster, like they did with Trent Brown last year. I’d imagine BB relies heavily on Scar to provide input on OL players he covets.
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Post by olemiss on Apr 23, 2019 11:32:55 GMT -5
My hopes for Pats draft!!!!
At 32 ---A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss - Belichick’s dream at WR. Bigger slot guy, sub-7.0 3 cone, strong hands and a polished route runner who won in college in all the ways the Patriots love using WR’s. Could play behind/beside Edelman now and be an eventual replacement. Polished enough to be a day 1 contributor, smart enough to click with Tom Brady, would immediately be the 2nd best WR on the active roster. The Demaryius Thomas signing should be viewed as a “we’ll see” type signing that won’t impact how they attack the draft, and even if he works out he wouldn’t take away from the value Brown can bring.
At 56 - Elgton Jenkins - OL Miss State
At 64 - Andy Isabella - WR UMass
At 73 - Dawson Knox - TE Ole Miss
At 97 - Cortez Broughton - DL - Cincinnati
At 101 - Jachai Polite - DE/LB - Florida
At 134 - Saquan Hampton - S - Rutgers
At 205 - Jordan Ta'amu - QB - Ole Miss
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 23, 2019 11:32:56 GMT -5
I'm not one for predictions but if I was forced to make one. I am going with the Patriots will take an OT with one of their 1st three picks. Cannon has not played a full season since 2014 Wynn has never played a single snap of OT in a game at the NFL level, finished his college career injured requiring shoulder surgery, ruptured his Achilles before his NFL career could even take off, his strength is his movement and the Achilles goes directly against that in the short term. Croston has never started a single NFL game at OT and has only been active for an NFL game 5 times in 2 years. Agreed. Or they use their vast draft capital to trade for a veteran that they have their eyes on within an opponent’s roster, like they did with Trent Brown last year. I’d imagine BB relies heavily on Scar to provide input on OL players he covets. It is a very good point
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2019 11:41:16 GMT -5
Different Idea...NE targets a QB early and Belichick aggressively trades up for numerous targets throughout this class.
I don’t think Denver will take Lock at #10. I just can’t see them passing up a quality defender for that guy. I just don’t think he’s that good. However, I do buy the nonstop rumors that Elway likes Lock. So in this scenario, which I think is quite possible, Denver passes in Lock for Devin Bush, but then Lock falls all the way to 32...
NE trades 32 to Denver for 41, 125, and a 2020 2nd Rnd Pick. Denver takes Lock at 32.
The following day...
NE trades 41, 134, and 239 to SF for #36
#36. Dalton Risner. OT. Kansas St. Risner is a promising OT prospect who can also play at Guard. He’s tough, durable, and a leader. He’s everything NE usually values in an O-Line prospect. With Trent Brown’s departure, Risner keeps the all-important O-Line depth strong and has a starting role once Thuney likely leaves in FA.
NE trades 56 & 101 to WSH for 46
#46. Will Grier. QB. West Virginia. Ok, so the rumors of NE’s interest in Grier are likely smoke. But maybe not. I can see why the Pats could be intrigued. I like him better than Lock or Jones. If Grier gets to this point and NE really likes him, he could entice them to trade up. (Heck, picking him at 32 even makes sense if they love him, For the 5th year...)
#64. Andy Isabella. WR. UMass. Simply put, Isabella gets quick separation and catches the ball. Those are keys for being effective as a NE WR with Brady. He’s not tall, but he’s well put together. He’s smart and will be a terrific compliment/successor to Edelman.
Stunner! NE trades Joe Thuney to JAX for 69! After acquiring Risner, Belichick decides to part ways with the last year of Thuney and give Risner a chance to compete for a Day 1 Starting Gig. JAX needs O-Line help badly and are happy to give up #69 for the steady Thuney. They will immediately begin working on an extension.
69. Taylor Raap. S. UW. Yeah, I know his 40 was like molasses. If he had run a 4.5 he might’ve gone in the 1st Rnd. Instead he ran a terrible 4.78 at his Pro Day. It’s going to hurt his stock quite a bit, I think. How much? We’ll see. But if he gets into the 3rd Rnd, F-it! He’s still a great player! The film doesn’t lie. I love Raap’s instincts and even though he ran slow, he’s still a stud in the box. I think his game speed is way better than he showed at his pro day.
73. Dawson Knox. TE. Ole Miss. I’ve grown more and more fond of this guy in the past few months. He can play right away as a blocker, and with coaching and development his receiving will be a real threat. I think he could be a real steal in this class, but I think a lot of teams are eyeing him. Ifs he’s available here, NE better not wait.
NE trades 97 to DET for 146 and a 2020 3rd
NE trades 125 & 205 to GB for 118
118. Ben Burr-Kirven. LB. UW. BBK adds speed and great coverage ability to NE’s LB Corps. He’s also a solid ST player.
NE trades 146 and 243 to PIT for 141.
141. Christian Miller. Edge. Alabama. Miller is a talented but Raw prospect, but if Saban gives his stamp of approval, BB may target him on Day 3 if he slides.
246. Porter Gustin. Edge. USC. Talented but injury-prone player. Gustin never lived up to expectations at USC, mainly due to injuries, but he’s well worth a shot this late.
252. James O’Hagan. C. Buffalo. Small school guy. He’s got upside but needs a year on the PS. A great guy to have in the pipeline.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 23, 2019 11:55:32 GMT -5
My hopes for Pats draft!!!! At 32 ---A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss - Belichick’s dream at WR. Bigger slot guy, sub-7.0 3 cone, strong hands and a polished route runner who won in college in all the ways the Patriots love using WR’s. Could play behind/beside Edelman now and be an eventual replacement. Polished enough to be a day 1 contributor, smart enough to click with Tom Brady, would immediately be the 2nd best WR on the active roster. The Demaryius Thomas signing should be viewed as a “we’ll see” type signing that won’t impact how they attack the draft, and even if he works out he wouldn’t take away from the value Brown can bring. At 56 - Elgton Jenkins - OL Miss State At 64 - Andy Isabella - WR UMass At 73 - Dawson Knox - TE Ole Miss At 97 - Cortez Broughton - DL - Cincinnati At 101 - Jachai Polite - DE/LB - Florida At 134 - Saquan Hampton - S - Rutgers At 205 - Jordan Ta'amu - QB - Ole Miss I'd be happy with that overall. Two really good WR's and a TE with a lot of upside... Broughton is a a really good player that doesn't get much press... and I like Ta'amu as a developmental QB. On the negative side, Polite seems like a knucklead, but maybe they take a chance on him, if he falls that far, and I was kinda meh on Hampton after watching his tape, and would prefer other S's... but in Rd 4, I could see it.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 23, 2019 12:05:44 GMT -5
My hopes for Pats draft!!!! At 32 ---A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss - Belichick’s dream at WR. Bigger slot guy, sub-7.0 3 cone, strong hands and a polished route runner who won in college in all the ways the Patriots love using WR’s. Could play behind/beside Edelman now and be an eventual replacement. Polished enough to be a day 1 contributor, smart enough to click with Tom Brady, would immediately be the 2nd best WR on the active roster. The Demaryius Thomas signing should be viewed as a “we’ll see” type signing that won’t impact how they attack the draft, and even if he works out he wouldn’t take away from the value Brown can bring. At 56 - Elgton Jenkins - OL Miss State At 64 - Andy Isabella - WR UMass At 73 - Dawson Knox - TE Ole Miss At 97 - Cortez Broughton - DL - Cincinnati At 101 - Jachai Polite - DE/LB - Florida At 134 - Saquan Hampton - S - Rutgers At 205 - Jordan Ta'amu - QB - Ole Miss We could end up with a lot worse hauls than this. Not bad
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Post by PatsFanInExile on Apr 23, 2019 12:05:46 GMT -5
I’ll be disappointed if we don’t land Isabella (without overreaching). He’s a human Swiss Army knife that performed in our own backyard for years.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 23, 2019 12:31:28 GMT -5
One more name to add to the list of players that could find their way onto the field as a ST standout... and he could be a late round, UDFA target.
Michael Walker WR Boston College
Size: 5-11 194 40: 4.48 3C: 6.96 VJ: 36 1/2" BJ: 10-10" 225: 21 Reps
He was one of the better returners in the country this past season, with 20-274-1 (13.7 YPR) on PR's, and 40-1,020 (25.50) on KR's.
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Post by fisher on Apr 23, 2019 15:47:16 GMT -5
Heading to Nashville tomorrow ... BB will trade up Thursday for either C. Ferrell or Dexter Lawrence... Fantasy is a trade for THE TE .
Have fun y'all ... One less thing on my bucket list
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2019 15:54:15 GMT -5
Heading to Nashville tomorrow ... BB will trade up Thursday for either C. Ferrell or Dexter Lawrence... Fantasy is a trade for THE TE . Have fun y'all ... One less thing on my bucket list That’s awesome Man. Have a blast and enjoy Nashville! I hope you’re right about one of the Clemson guys
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2019 16:14:46 GMT -5
I almost hope Belichick doesn’t draft a WR until Day 3 just to watch people go crazy...
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 23, 2019 16:29:14 GMT -5
I almost hope Belichick doesn’t draft a WR until Day 3 just to watch people go crazy... I just don’t see it happening. No one knows if gordon will even play this season yet finish a season. Thomas has two torn Achilles in his career. Between dorsett, harris, and Ellington combined they have 12 tds and neither have ever had 600 yards receiving in a season. WR is basically a must in the first two days but bill has done this before so who knows. It will be hard for a rookie wr to make an impact so i am still hoping for a wr trade.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 23, 2019 17:16:41 GMT -5
Different Idea...NE targets a QB early and Belichick aggressively trades up for numerous targets throughout this class. I don’t think Denver will take Lock at #10. I just can’t see them passing up a quality defender for that guy. I just don’t think he’s that good. However, I do buy the nonstop rumors that Elway likes Lock. So in this scenario, which I think is quite possible, Denver passes in Lock for Devin Bush, but then Lock falls all the way to 32... NE trades 32 to Denver for 41, 125, and a 2020 2nd Rnd Pick. Denver takes Lock at 32. The following day... NE trades 41, 134, and 239 to SF for #36 #36. Dalton Risner. OT. Kansas St. Risner is a promising OT prospect who can also play at Guard. He’s tough, durable, and a leader. He’s everything NE usually values in an O-Line prospect. With Trent Brown’s departure, Risner keeps the all-important O-Line depth strong and has a starting role once Thuney likely leaves in FA. NE trades 56 & 101 to WSH for 46 #46. Will Grier. QB. West Virginia. Ok, so the rumors of NE’s interest in Grier are likely smoke. But maybe not. I can see why the Pats could be intrigued. I like him better than Lock or Jones. If Grier gets to this point and NE really likes him, he could entice them to trade up. (Heck, picking him at 32 even makes sense if they love him, For the 5th year...) #64. Andy Isabella. WR. UMass. Simply put, Isabella gets quick separation and catches the ball. Those are keys for being effective as a NE WR with Brady. He’s not tall, but he’s well put together. He’s smart and will be a terrific compliment/successor to Edelman. Stunner! NE trades Joe Thuney to JAX for 69! After acquiring Risner, Belichick decides to part ways with the last year of Thuney and give Risner a chance to compete for a Day 1 Starting Gig. JAX needs O-Line help badly and are happy to give up #69 for the steady Thuney. They will immediately begin working on an extension. 69. Taylor Raap. S. UW. Yeah, I know his 40 was like molasses. If he had run a 4.5 he might’ve gone in the 1st Rnd. Instead he ran a terrible 4.78 at his Pro Day. It’s going to hurt his stock quite a bit, I think. How much? We’ll see. But if he gets into the 3rd Rnd, F-it! He’s still a great player! The film doesn’t lie. I love Raap’s instincts and even though he ran slow, he’s still a stud in the box. I think his game speed is way better than he showed at his pro day. 73. Dawson Knox. TE. Ole Miss. I’ve grown more and more fond of this guy in the past few months. He can play right away as a blocker, and with coaching and development his receiving will be a real threat. I think he could be a real steal in this class, but I think a lot of teams are eyeing him. Ifs he’s available here, NE better not wait. NE trades 97 to DET for 146 and a 2020 3rd NE trades 125 & 205 to GB for 118 118. Ben Burr-Kirven. LB. UW. BBK adds speed and great coverage ability to NE’s LB Corps. He’s also a solid ST player. NE trades 146 and 243 to PIT for 141. 141. Christian Miller. Edge. Alabama. Miller is a talented but Raw prospect, but if Saban gives his stamp of approval, BB may target him on Day 3 if he slides. 246. Porter Gustin. Edge. USC. Talented but injury-prone player. Gustin never lived up to expectations at USC, mainly due to injuries, but he’s well worth a shot this late. 252. James O’Hagan. C. Buffalo. Small school guy. He’s got upside but needs a year on the PS. A great guy to have in the pipeline. Nice mock man. Risner has been my guy for a while and I do agree with Low that there is a good chance we see an OL with one of the first 3 picks. At this point I'm going back and forth on a few OL. I still very much like Cajuste who isn't talked about much here, but he could slide into the LT spot this year if needed, or swing between Wynn and Cannon. I really hope Isabella ends up here. I don't think he will as it just makes too much sense. Ha. I'm with MB's strategy that he highlighted on another post. If they miss out on Brown or Fant in round 1, I can see them taking a DT there and waiting until 2nd/3rd to address WR/TE. I think I got that right.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 23, 2019 17:26:25 GMT -5
What players at #32 would have you pretty uninspired or even slightly disappointed if taken in that spot?
QB: any of them projected to be available in that spot
WR: Probably any of them but there are one or two I might feel ok with depending how the rest of the draft haul panned out
TE: any of them outside of Hock
RB: any of them
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 23, 2019 17:26:30 GMT -5
Something tells me they will draft greg little tomorrow at tackle with the first selection.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 23, 2019 17:31:28 GMT -5
What players at #32 would have you pretty uninspired or even slightly disappointed if taken in that spot? QB: any of them projected to be available in that spot WR: Probably any of them but there are one or two I might feel ok with depending how the rest of the draft haul panned out TE: any of them outside of Hock RB: any of them Greg Little. Any safety from Rutgers or Stanford.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 23, 2019 17:36:50 GMT -5
What players at #32 would have you pretty uninspired or even slightly disappointed if taken in that spot? QB: any of them projected to be available in that spot WR: Probably any of them but there are one or two I might feel ok with depending how the rest of the draft haul panned out TE: any of them outside of Hock RB: any of them Greg Little. Any safety from Rutgers or Stanford. I have a feeling it will be greg little. I am not much a fan of risner because he struggles with speed rushers.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 23, 2019 17:42:30 GMT -5
Kudos MB for this thread. Since living overseas I haven't followed college football at all and am clueless on college players. Cheers, man... just happy to have a forum to exchange ideas, opinions and info with a bunch of other passionate draft fanatics!
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Post by thejuice on Apr 23, 2019 19:32:29 GMT -5
I almost hope Belichick doesn’t draft a WR until Day 3 just to watch people go crazy... I can live with that as long as he drafts two on day 3
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