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Post by patslifer on Feb 15, 2019 14:12:31 GMT -5
We goin' up baby. 32 gets traded with a 2nd+ to go up and get Gronk 2.0 aka, "The scheme transcendent prospect - HOCKules" (you heard it here first). And just in case we don't do that..I'll take in no particular order - Irv Smith Jr. (TE - Bama) - Greg Little (OT - Ole Miss) - Deebo Samuel (WR - SCarolina) I'd love that move... and I dig the nickname... though the former ref might think everyone is talking about him. haha I'd love to see it to. But I think BB grabs an OT or DT with 32 if we keep it. I could see a Brown replacement at OT (I mentioned Little above), and Wynn may slide in for Thuney. If Wynn slides in for Thuney this year, the Pats could save $2m or they could also trade Thuney for another chip. Could get interesting.
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Post by wazzu on Feb 15, 2019 14:47:57 GMT -5
Hey, MB. For this exercise I'll assume Hockenson is long gone. My top 3 "realistic" options are...
Dexter Lawrence Zach Allen Noah Fant
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 15, 2019 18:10:21 GMT -5
Hey, MB. For this exercise I'll assume Hockenson is long gone. My top 3 "realistic" options are... Dexter Lawrence Zach Allen Noah Fant I have not made up my mind, but I would be happy with... Dexter Lawrence Zach Allen Irv Smith
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 15, 2019 18:14:01 GMT -5
Here ya go MB... Can't wait for the draft in Nashville 1) irv Smith. TE 2) omenihu. DE 3) D Bush. LB On to 2019 I can go with that.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 15, 2019 18:15:00 GMT -5
So, with the all-star games in the books, and the Combine starting in 10+ days, I think it's a good time to get a pulse of who everyone wants at the end of Rd 1. For the sake of this exercise, they will be making the pick. With the 32nd pick, in the 2019 NFL draft, the New England Patriots select... {give your top 3 options}We goin' up baby. 32 gets traded with a 2nd+ to go up and get Gronk 2.0 aka, "The scheme transcendent prospect - HOCKules" (you heard it here first). And just in case we don't do that..I'll take in no particular order - Irv Smith Jr. (TE - Bama) - Greg Little (OT - Ole Miss) - Deebo Samuel (WR - SCarolina) I have not watched Little but I would be happy with any of the other two.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 15, 2019 18:16:35 GMT -5
So, I guess I should answer my own question. And while I like 5 or 6 players at the end of Rd 1, I'll give the nod to the (3) that I think can do the most for you on the field... based on who I think could be available (excludes Hockenson and Wilkins, etc.).
With the 32nd pick, in the 2019 NFL draft, the New England Patriots Select...
Alabama TE, Irv Smith
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Delaware S, Nasir Adderley
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South Carolina WR, Deebo Samuel
Also under consideration at this point are Washington S Taylor Rapp, Kansas State OL Dalton Risner, who could easily be in my top 3, as he can play RT, G or C, but will be a 24 y/o rookie, and Texas DL Charles Omenihu.
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Post by olemiss on Feb 15, 2019 18:44:40 GMT -5
DK is the next Magatron! I think if he runs well in the Combine, will be first or second WR receiver off the board and a top half of the first round selection. Despite Wazzu, DK will be a great selection if Pats can land him, but he will be off the board when they pick.
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Post by olemiss on Feb 15, 2019 19:03:41 GMT -5
For Pats 1st I think available and like:
Christian Wilkins DL Clemson AJ Brown Receiver Ole Miss Daniel Jones QB Duke
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Post by digger0862 on Feb 15, 2019 20:00:39 GMT -5
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 16, 2019 1:20:18 GMT -5
He is supposed to be 6-4. With that body, how does he not weigh as much as TEs?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 9:30:13 GMT -5
My 3 Fant - he's got speed, I'll figure out the blocking part. Samuel - underrated, he makes plays. 5 year option for WR's saves ton of Cap Space, if you hit. WR's prices are skyrocketing. Rapp - we need a Chung replacement. Last year we used Jones, Crossen, we have replacements on the Roster if DMC leaves. Obi, in a year with us. I expect huge things from him this year. Chung is huge to this Defense, he does so much, now is good chance to get Chung Part 2. He would be my 1st choice.
* Would not shock me if we Double dip on TE's, on 1st 2 Rounds, if any fall. Our strength on Offense is TE's and Slot, in the passing game.
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Post by olemiss on Feb 16, 2019 12:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by wazzu on Feb 16, 2019 13:02:32 GMT -5
Who do they have NE taking? I quit going to that site. It's garbage to try to load their pages, and I'm not sure how secure it is. I think I picked up a virus from that site a while ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 13:26:16 GMT -5
Who do they have NE taking? I quit going to that site. It's garbage to try to load their pages, and I'm not sure how secure it is. I think I picked up a virus from that site a while ago. Metcalf
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Post by wazzu on Feb 16, 2019 13:30:17 GMT -5
Who do they have NE taking? I quit going to that site. It's garbage to try to load their pages, and I'm not sure how secure it is. I think I picked up a virus from that site a while ago. Metcalf NE isn't drafting Metcalf. I've read his route tree is very basic and his hands are inconsistent. Does that sound like a Patriots WR? Plus some crappy team will fall in love with his size/speed earlier in the draft. He'll be gone before 32 anyway. But even if he was on the board, NE would not draft him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 13:44:27 GMT -5
Thinking same thing. Not a Pats type WR. Rather go TE instead. Our Wideouts have to go in the Middle of the Field, and do the dirty work. Almost like a deeper slot guy. Quick twitch guys, 3 cones have to be looked at. I saw very little Route running from Metcalf. Basically he's big and fast. Out Muscle's DB's, and out runs them. Need more then that in the NFL.
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Post by wazzu on Feb 16, 2019 13:45:43 GMT -5
Thinking same thing. Not a Pats type WR. Rather go TE instead. Our Wideouts have to go in the Middle of the Field, and do the dirty work. Almost like a deeper slot guy. Quick twitch guys, 3 cones have to be looked at. I saw very little Route running from Metcalf. Agree.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 16, 2019 14:47:05 GMT -5
NE isn't drafting Metcalf. I've read his route tree is very basic and his hands are inconsistent. Does that sound like a Patriots WR? Plus some crappy team will fall in love with his size/speed earlier in the draft. He'll be gone before 32 anyway. But even if he was on the board, NE would not draft him. Basic route tree is one thing. He also is a WR whose bread and butter involves a long throw that takes time to develop. As we know, core to NE's success is giving TB a lot of throwing options in under 2.5 secs. Why would NE draft in the first round a WR whose style of play does not fit with the core principle of their passing game? The way I see it, if they want to draft a receiver that stretches the field like that, they would pick that guy no earlier than the third round, probably in the fourth or later.
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Post by mthurl on Feb 16, 2019 19:59:26 GMT -5
Trying to catch up on the draft stuff...as usual I think value will be big. I think Sony Michel is a great example of that...pounced on an undervalued running back market and took a guy who probably would have been taken much higher 10-15 years ago. Think they'll of course look for something similar. And the trade back into the second round would be another value move.
I would expect one of our top three picks to be traded for an established "need" player, as well. Loved the Cooks trade a couple years ago...liked it even more when they traded him away. Great use of resources and borrowing talent. Trent Brown being the latest "rental" of talent. Short term gains on a value play. It worked, I'd look for more.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 16, 2019 20:31:02 GMT -5
If BB is looking for a cheaper alternative to Shelton; a situational 2-down run stuffer, then he might have some interest in DT Greg Gaines, who also played his college ball for Washington. And while he doesn't offer much as an interior PR, he has the squatty frame, power and hands to eat up blocks, and ball carriers. I could see him coming off the board sometime in the middle rounds.
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Post by lowfbiq on Feb 16, 2019 22:56:15 GMT -5
New Pats WR lol
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Feb 17, 2019 2:25:28 GMT -5
I am a sucker for innovative use of talent. They converted a QB into a pretty successful slot receiver. I would not put it past them to convert a DT into a TE.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 17, 2019 6:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Feb 17, 2019 7:25:02 GMT -5
RE: DK Metcalf
While Ole Miss is more of a vertical offense, there is plenty of evidence/examples on tape of him using his hands, size and fantastic/dynamic footwork to release, and uncover quickly vs. man coverage, so I don't understand the concern that he wouldn't be a fit in an offense like NE's, where they generally like to get the ball out within a few seconds. With his size, burst and athleticism, he could be a destroyer on in-breaking routes to all levels, such as crossers, slants, digs and posts, etc... and would/could give what #10 brought to the table during his time in Foxboro.
Overall, we're talking about an elite ceiling with this player, something in the DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones, Michael Thomas level realm.
I also don't expect him to be available when NE is on the clock.
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