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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 27, 2019 13:49:13 GMT -5
Notable contested catch percentages, draft-eligible WRs: per PFF
Gary Jennings 54.0% N'Keal Harry 53.2 Kelvin Harmon 51.4 A.J. Brown 51.3 JJ Arcega-Whiteside 49.4 Hakeem Butler 45.2 Anthony Johnson 43.4 Deebo Samuel 37.9 Andy Isabella 34.8 Emanuel Hall 25.0 Marquise Brown 21.7
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 27, 2019 13:52:49 GMT -5
BB checking out some Gators
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Post by wazzu on Mar 27, 2019 14:07:50 GMT -5
BB checking out some Gators Checking out Gardner-Johnson, perhaps???
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 27, 2019 14:39:00 GMT -5
BB checking out some Gators Checking out Gardner-Johnson, perhaps??? For sure...
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Post by thejuice on Mar 27, 2019 19:55:03 GMT -5
Scenario time. So, Hockenson is most of our consensus #1 TE, right? His stock has jumped big time since the draft process started. I was originally hoping he would last until the early to mid 20’s so NE could maybe jump up and nab him. Doesn’t look like that will happen. A lot of people feel that he won’t get past GB at #12. So here’s my question, would you do this deal with Cinncy at #11 if they were willing? NE trades #32, #56, #73, & #101 to Cinncy for #11 & #183 At #11 NE selects TJ Hockenson. TE. Iowa Personally, I couldn’t give that much up in this class. Too many good players on Day 2 we’d be passing up. Would you??? Not a chance. Way way too much to give up.
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Post by patslifer on Mar 27, 2019 20:52:54 GMT -5
Scenario time. So, Hockenson is most of our consensus #1 TE, right? His stock has jumped big time since the draft process started. I was originally hoping he would last until the early to mid 20’s so NE could maybe jump up and nab him. Doesn’t look like that will happen. A lot of people feel that he won’t get past GB at #12. So here’s my question, would you do this deal with Cinncy at #11 if they were willing? NE trades #32, #56, #73, & #101 to Cinncy for #11 & #183 At #11 NE selects TJ Hockenson. TE. Iowa Personally, I couldn’t give that much up in this class. Too many good players on Day 2 we’d be passing up. Would you??? I like Hock but would no way trade that much for him. If he is still on the board mid-20’s, I would trade up. He’s a 3 down player and I think an instant starter with Gronk gone. He allows us to continue with that double TE set, one at least being a legit pass catcher who can flex out wide, Play the slot or inline. He’s valuable in our offense.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 28, 2019 0:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 28, 2019 0:57:29 GMT -5
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Post by patslifer on Mar 28, 2019 5:48:33 GMT -5
Sternberger would be a very smart choice at TE given where we draft.
I think he could slide in day 1 and be an effective pass catcher and good enough blocker. He definitely needs to put on some weight and muscle to play more consistently inline. He also lines up all over the formation so we should be able to do similar things with him in terms of flexing him out or bringing him in if we run.
Watch his game tape vs S.Carolina and the way he sets up the Safety as he attacks the seams.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Mar 28, 2019 8:42:31 GMT -5
I like sternberger. Wish he ran a little faster but he could be there later on. His 40 time wasn’t that terrible. I am hoping we draft a pass rusher still. It would be criminal if we don’t draft one considering it’s a deep pool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 9:01:06 GMT -5
I think the TE position, should be looked at inside then out. Look for the better blocking TE, and then look at his pass catching capabilities. Offense won for year without the Great TE, to find another Gronk is impossible. Too many great Options in this Draft, to help team win, then trying to focus on trying to replace an Icon. Keep it simple look at the Blocker first. Also I think the NFL is wising up on coverage on the TE's. Let the Draft come to you, don't jump for need.
Cant imagine the pressure on a kid who and if, the Pats move up, on the TE position, and has a tough year.
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Mar 28, 2019 9:56:33 GMT -5
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 9:57:13 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Sternberger, he's not a very good athlete.
Here's how Wozzy's Draft Guide has them ranked (only the combine participants)
The best...
Noah Fant ********* TE
T.J. Hockenson **** TE
Foster Moreau ******* TE
Kahale Warring **** TE
The rest...
Alize Mack *** TE
Dawson Knox ** TE
Trevon Wesco ** FB
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 28, 2019 10:02:39 GMT -5
Good read, thanks for sharing!
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 28, 2019 12:53:16 GMT -5
This single comment, from an article on Thedraftnetwork.com got me thinking... is there a more perfect scenario for NE, than staying at #32, and getting your next great 3-down edge defender?! "-I think the edge defenders that are a lock to go Round 1 are Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Brian Burns, Rashan Gary and Montez Sweat. Clelin Ferrell has a good shot, and Chase Winovich could sneak in, although it would still surprise me a bit." thedraftnetwork.com/articles/draft-class-heroes--5-players-i-don-t-get-the-hype-on
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 12:55:42 GMT -5
This single comment, from an article on Thedraftnetwork.com got me thinking... is there a more perfect scenario for NE, than staying at #32, and getting your next great 3-down edge defender?! "-I think the edge defenders that are a lock to go Round 1 are Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Brian Burns, Rashan Gary and Montez Sweat. Clelin Ferrell has a good shot, and Chase Winovich could sneak in, although it would still surprise me a bit." thedraftnetwork.com/articles/draft-class-heroes--5-players-i-don-t-get-the-hype-onMbeaulieu07 have you noticed nfldraftscout.com is down or going through transition? This is really breaking my balls, it comes at the worst time of the year.
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Post by thejuice on Mar 28, 2019 12:58:37 GMT -5
This single comment, from an article on Thedraftnetwork.com got me thinking... is there a more perfect scenario for NE, than staying at #32, and getting your next great 3-down edge defender?! "-I think the edge defenders that are a lock to go Round 1 are Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Brian Burns, Rashan Gary and Montez Sweat. Clelin Ferrell has a good shot, and Chase Winovich could sneak in, although it would still surprise me a bit." thedraftnetwork.com/articles/draft-class-heroes--5-players-i-don-t-get-the-hype-onMbeaulieu07 have you noticed nfldraftscout.com is down or going through transition? This is really breaking my balls, it comes at the worst time of the year. Seems as though they’re posting articles but their usual rankings etc has gone bye bye this season.
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Post by thejuice on Mar 28, 2019 13:02:33 GMT -5
This single comment, from an article on Thedraftnetwork.com got me thinking... is there a more perfect scenario for NE, than staying at #32, and getting your next great 3-down edge defender?! "-I think the edge defenders that are a lock to go Round 1 are Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Brian Burns, Rashan Gary and Montez Sweat. Clelin Ferrell has a good shot, and Chase Winovich could sneak in, although it would still surprise me a bit." thedraftnetwork.com/articles/draft-class-heroes--5-players-i-don-t-get-the-hype-onNope, not at all. Especially if you tell me they get a guy like warring, or irv Smith or maybe even jace sternberger with one of our 2nd or early 3rd rd pick, all the better I mean if Ferrell is there at 32, how is he not the pick?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 28, 2019 13:03:02 GMT -5
This single comment, from an article on Thedraftnetwork.com got me thinking... is there a more perfect scenario for NE, than staying at #32, and getting your next great 3-down edge defender?! "-I think the edge defenders that are a lock to go Round 1 are Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Brian Burns, Rashan Gary and Montez Sweat. Clelin Ferrell has a good shot, and Chase Winovich could sneak in, although it would still surprise me a bit." thedraftnetwork.com/articles/draft-class-heroes--5-players-i-don-t-get-the-hype-onMbeaulieu07 have you noticed nfldraftscout.com is down or going through transition? This is really breaking my balls, it comes at the worst time of the year. I have, and I share your sentiment... such a great resource for historical measurables, and I feel kinda lost without it, ha.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 13:04:32 GMT -5
Seems as though they’re posting articles but their usual rankings etc has gone bye bye this season. They're breaking from the previous company/group they did business with. Not very long ago they broke away from CBS sports so obviously they can't seem to stay in one place for any length of time. That being said if I pull one of the old pages up, like David Johnson for example, those old pages are gone and according to the side who still holds the rights to that server may or may not be back? As far as nfldraftscout goes they have a new page, but the player information/rankings aren't there?! That's the biggest reason I used to go there, they had all the pro day results. SUCKS!
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 13:05:44 GMT -5
I have, and I share your sentiment... such a great resource for historical measurables, and I feel kinda lost without it, ha. Agreed, wtf... they couldn't do this changeover two months from now?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 28, 2019 13:08:15 GMT -5
I have, and I share your sentiment... such a great resource for historical measurables, and I feel kinda lost without it, ha. Agreed, wtf... they couldn't do this changeover two months from now? I thought I had read something about how they were updating their interface/look, and they were also in the process of loading info, and that it should be done by month end... fingers crossed, as no other site seems to have their level of data.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 13:14:18 GMT -5
I thought I had read something about how they were updating their interface/look, and they were also in the process of loading info, and that it should be done by month end... fingers crossed, as no other site seems to have their level of data. Nope, Walter Football has some random pro day results but it's a hassle and incomplete. NFLDS was the only site that had all the complete data handy. And when you're pouring over data for over 1000 players, most of whom weren't at the combine, this was crucial.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 28, 2019 13:17:00 GMT -5
I thought I had read something about how they were updating their interface/look, and they were also in the process of loading info, and that it should be done by month end... fingers crossed, as no other site seems to have their level of data. Nope, Walter Football has some random pro day results but it's a hassle and incomplete. NFLDS was the only site that had all the complete data handy. And when you're pouring over data for over 1000 players, most of whom weren't at the combine, this was crucial. Yeah, that walter page is slow as molasses, and takes forever to load. Tough year for us draftniks... first we lose draftbreakdown, which had all the game cut-ups... and now draftscout, haha... for at least the time being.
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