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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 13:21:23 GMT -5
Yeah, that walter page is slow as molasses, and takes forever to load. Tough year for us draftniks... first we lose draftbreakdown, which had all the game cut-ups... and now draftscout, haha... for at least the time being. I wish pro footballreference would buy up NFLDS and DBD, they're the only ones who seem to have their shit together, they also have handy spread sheets which you can manipulate online.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 28, 2019 13:26:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that walter page is slow as molasses, and takes forever to load. Tough year for us draftniks... first we lose draftbreakdown, which had all the game cut-ups... and now draftscout, haha... for at least the time being. I wish pro footballreference would buy up NFLDS and DBD, they're the only ones who seem to have their shit together, they also have handy spread sheets which you can manipulate online. Or even PFF... but let it remain free, ha.
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Post by thejuice on Mar 28, 2019 13:38:07 GMT -5
Seems as though they’re posting articles but their usual rankings etc has gone bye bye this season. They're breaking from the previous company/group they did business with. Not very long ago they broke away from CBS sports so obviously they can't seem to stay in one place for any length of time. That being said if I pull one of the old pages up, like David Johnson for example, those old pages are gone and according to the side who still holds the rights to that server may or may not be back? As far as nfldraftscout goes they have a new page, but the player information/rankings aren't there?! That's the biggest reason I used to go there, they had all the pro day results. SUCKS! Ah I see. Maybe they’ll have it all back up next year? Must be a $$ thing as to why all the old stuff isn’t transferred over to their new site....so who knows
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 13:48:00 GMT -5
Or even PFF... but let it remain free, ha. PFF seems to prefer the eyeball test over actual data, thats why I like PFR. I was psyched when PFR started posting combine results in their spreadsheet format. Now if they could add all the pro day results and rest of the players not invited to the combine, that would be pretty impressive but they would need nfldraftscout for that information I'd think. The spread sheets and being able to prompt all the best measurables to the top makes it really easy and user friendly. Way back before PFR started doing that, I exclusively used nflcombineresults.com and the NFL combine page.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 28, 2019 14:35:53 GMT -5
Jane Slater Verified account @slaternfl Follow Follow @slaternfl More Houston’s DL Ed Oliver runs an unofficial 4.75 40 time
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 28, 2019 15:49:03 GMT -5
You guys know Draftscout has been back up since yesterday right?
They were/are just working on updating the code and look.
You also realize draft scout pro day times are not officials times I hope. It's just their collection of sourced hand times from various people at the pro days.
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Post by patslifer on Mar 28, 2019 16:08:11 GMT -5
Jane Slater Verified account @slaternfl Follow Follow @slaternfl More Houston’s DL Ed Oliver runs an unofficial 4.75 40 time Holy crap batman!
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 28, 2019 17:12:37 GMT -5
You guys know Draftscout has been back up since yesterday right? They were/are just working on updating the code and look. You also realize draft scout pro day times are not officials times I hope. It's just their collection of sourced hand times from various people at the pro days. What's the link? I've tried to search it numerous times the past few days... to no avail.
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 28, 2019 17:13:56 GMT -5
You guys know Draftscout has been back up since yesterday right? They were/are just working on updating the code and look. You also realize draft scout pro day times are not officials times I hope. It's just their collection of sourced hand times from various people at the pro days. What's the link? I've tried to search it numerous times the past few days... to no avail. www.draftscout.com/
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 28, 2019 17:17:07 GMT -5
What's the link? I've tried to search it numerous times the past few days... to no avail. www.draftscout.com/Thanks, man... f'n google...
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 28, 2019 17:24:20 GMT -5
Ed Oliver with a faster short shuttle than Saquon Barkley. As a 280-odd pound interior D-lineman!
Ed Oliver's 3-cone was sub 7 seconds, which would be top 5 among WIDE RECEIVERS at the combine.
Ed Oliver's short shuttle was 0.28s faster than D.K. Metcalf's, and his 3-cone was 0.23s faster.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Mar 28, 2019 17:26:17 GMT -5
We all know Oliver will go in the top 10.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 18:55:08 GMT -5
I watched Oliver's last game in which he was injured and only basically played on one leg, he dominated even then. Thats what caught my eye. Only played the 1st half. If he's 290, he don't look it.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 19:16:05 GMT -5
You guys know Draftscout has been back up since yesterday right? They were/are just working on updating the code and look. You also realize draft scout pro day times are not officials times I hope. It's just their collection of sourced hand times from various people at the pro days. We'll see if they get it up and running, also theres some question whether they'll have pro day information going forward, which is most important to me. The old nfldraftscout.com is up and running on another site, we'll see who ends up with the data. Hand timed measurables from NFL scouts are no less reliable, very often they match up whether I'm sourcing them on NFLDS or Walter Football or a college newspaper for example. NFL scouts don't generally have a bias they're looking to confirm, they want real numbers. A good example of this was Chandler Jones, he had a terrible combine. Then at the Syracuse pro day he did everything over again and crushed it.
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 28, 2019 19:19:14 GMT -5
You guys know Draftscout has been back up since yesterday right? They were/are just working on updating the code and look. You also realize draft scout pro day times are not officials times I hope. It's just their collection of sourced hand times from various people at the pro days. We'll see if they get it up and running, also theres some question whether they'll have pro day information going forward, which is most important to me. The old nfldraftscout.com is up and running on another site, we'll see who ends up with the data. Hand timed measurables from NFL scouts are no less reliable, very often they match up whether I'm sourcing them on NFLDS or Walter Football or a college newspaper for example. NFL scouts don't generally have a bias they're looking to confirm, they want real numbers. A good example of this was Chandler Jones, he had a terrible combine. Then at the Syracuse pro day he did everything over again and crushed it. pro day hand times are generally faster 99% of the time, not always. Not to mention the setups, comfort level etc. Combine times trump all. Under stress, vs tougher peer competition and laser timing. draftscout is already up and running again since yesterday. Draftscout must not have gotten Chandler Jones pro day numbers as they only have his broad and vert and he only did the same or worse than he did at the combine.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 19:24:15 GMT -5
pro day hand times are generally faster 99% of the time. Nt to mention the setups, comfort level etc. Combine times trump all. Under stress, vs tougher peer competition and laser timing. draftscout is already up and running again since yesterday I get the home track aspect of it, but the difference is miniscule. You can't fake a 40 inch vertical leap, or a shuttle time, these things are set up and run by NFL scouts and coaches, there's certainly no incentive for them to rig the results. Draftscout has the 2019 combine numbers available, they still haven't got the old pages up and running if you want to compare a current prospect with an older one for example. We can get the combine data in a number of places including directly from the NFL. What made them unique was the private workouts of everyone else, all the guys who didn't get to attend the combine. Pro day data...
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 28, 2019 19:25:18 GMT -5
pro day hand times are generally faster 99% of the time. Nt to mention the setups, comfort level etc. Combine times trump all. Under stress, vs tougher peer competition and laser timing. draftscout is already up and running again since yesterday I get the home track aspect of it, but the difference is miniscule. You can't fake a 40 inch vertical leap, or a shuttle time, these things are set up and run by NFL scouts and coaches, there's certainly no incentive for them to rig the results. Draftscout has the 2019 combine numbers available, they still haven't got the old pages up and running if you want to compare a current prospect with an older one for example. We can get the combine data in a number of places including directly from the NFL. What made them unique was the private workouts of everyone else, all the guys who didn't get to attend the combine. Pro day data... The entire archive is available
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 19:28:05 GMT -5
The entire archive is available Plug David Johnson into the search engine, you'll find it's not... it leads back to the homepage.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 19:30:01 GMT -5
The entire archive is available Ahh, I was trying from my search engine like I used to do. I see now that if I go to that draft class and click on the link that information comes up. Thanks
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 28, 2019 19:31:30 GMT -5
The entire archive is available Ahh, I was trying from my search engine like I used to do. I see now that if I go to that draft class and click on the link that information comes up. Thanks Doh! No worries mate. Glad you found the way.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2019 19:34:19 GMT -5
Doh! No worries mate. Glad you found the way. That's awesome!
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 29, 2019 8:58:51 GMT -5
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 29, 2019 9:22:21 GMT -5
That sound you're hearing is "Taps"... I'm playing it as I remove Holyfield and Nauta from my draft board. I like both player's tape, but I just don't see BB selecting either player, due to their athletic profiles. I mean, Holyfield's 10 yard split was slower than Lindstrom's, and I'd cut Nauta more slack, if he wasn't only 240ish pounds, with relatively short arms.
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 29, 2019 12:26:42 GMT -5
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Post by ucmiami on Mar 29, 2019 12:26:55 GMT -5
That sound you're hearing is "Taps"... I'm playing it as I remove Holyfield and Nauta from my draft board. I like both player's tape, but I just don't see BB selecting either player, due to their athletic profiles. I mean, Holyfield's 10 yard split was slower than Lindstrom's, and I'd cut Nauta more slack, if he wasn't only 240ish pounds, with relatively short arms. Yup - I always take speed with a certain skepticism until it demands to be noticed, and for these two it seems to be hitting us over the head.
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