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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 29, 2019 14:14:17 GMT -5
That sound you're hearing is "Taps"... I'm playing it as I remove Holyfield and Nauta from my draft board. I like both player's tape, but I just don't see BB selecting either player, due to their athletic profiles. I mean, Holyfield's 10 yard split was slower than Lindstrom's, and I'd cut Nauta more slack, if he wasn't only 240ish pounds, with relatively short arms. Yup - I always take speed with a certain skepticism until it demands to be noticed, and for these two it seems to be hitting us over the head. Indeed... I mean, I don't think Nauta plays as slow as he times, but his 3C was exactly the same as Solder's... but solder was 6-8 319, haha.
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Post by wazzu on Mar 29, 2019 14:45:02 GMT -5
Yeah, MB. Sadly, I agree with you on both Nauta and Holyfield. Those guys just don't seem to check the boxes athletically. Speaking of not checking the boxes, at what point is a prospect just not big enough or strong enough to play in the NFL? I'm referring to Hunter Renfrow. Here are his measurables:
Height: 5'10 16 percentile
Weight: 184 12 percentile
Wingspan: 70.75" 3 percentile
Arms: 29" 1 percentile
Hands: 7.75" 0 percentile
Bench: 7 reps 3 percentile
I know what his film looks like, but can you justify drafting this guy? He's really small and has a tiny catch radius. Remember Daniel Braverman from a few years ago? Everyone loved his film, but when I pulled up his draft profile his picture looked like a 7th grader and he was tiny. Renfrow is that guy for me this year. Sorry. I like his college tape, and I'm sure he's a terrific guy, but he just doesn't look like an NFL player to me.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 29, 2019 15:03:11 GMT -5
Yeah, MB. Sadly, I agree with you on both Nauta and Holyfield. Those guys just don't seem to check the boxes athletically. Speaking of not checking the boxes, at what point is a prospect just not big enough or strong enough to play in the NFL? I'm referring to Hunter Renfrow. Here are his measurables: Height: 5'10 16 percentile Weight: 184 12 percentile Wingspan: 70.75" 3 percentile Arms: 29" 1 percentile Hands: 7.75" 0 percentile Bench: 7 reps 3 percentile I know what his film looks like, but can you justify drafting this guy? He's really small and has a tiny catch radius. Remember Daniel Braverman from a few years ago? Everyone loved his film, but when I pulled up his draft profile his picture looked like a 7th grader and he was tiny. Renfrow is that guy for me this year. Sorry. I like his college tape, and I'm sure he's a terrific guy, but he just doesn't look like an NFL player to me. In regards to Renfrow, his size/length certainly isn't ideal, but NE has had a lot of success with players his size, and athletically he's on par with the Welker's and Amendola's of the world (same would go for size)... and he projects to be a very safe/high floor player at the NFL level. I like the fit in NE as his talent is uncovering quickly from the slot and catching the football, and that is what McD would prob ask him to do. I'd also be curious to see what is percentiles would be, if he was measured up against other slot guys, vs. WR's in general. Heck he's basically the same height/weight as Antonio Brown (different kid of player), though his arms are shorter and his hands are smaller.
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Post by wazzu on Mar 29, 2019 15:07:48 GMT -5
Yeah, MB. Sadly, I agree with you on both Nauta and Holyfield. Those guys just don't seem to check the boxes athletically. Speaking of not checking the boxes, at what point is a prospect just not big enough or strong enough to play in the NFL? I'm referring to Hunter Renfrow. Here are his measurables: Height: 5'10 16 percentile Weight: 184 12 percentile Wingspan: 70.75" 3 percentile Arms: 29" 1 percentile Hands: 7.75" 0 percentile Bench: 7 reps 3 percentile I know what his film looks like, but can you justify drafting this guy? He's really small and has a tiny catch radius. Remember Daniel Braverman from a few years ago? Everyone loved his film, but when I pulled up his draft profile his picture looked like a 7th grader and he was tiny. Renfrow is that guy for me this year. Sorry. I like his college tape, and I'm sure he's a terrific guy, but he just doesn't look like an NFL player to me. In regards to Renfrow, his size/length certainly isn't ideal, but NE has had a lot of success with players his size, and athletically he's on par with the Welker's and Amendola's of the world (same would go for size)... and he projects to be a very safe/high floor player at the NFL level. I like the fit in NE as his talent is uncovering quickly from the slot and catching the football, and that is what McD would prob ask him to do. I'd also be curious to see what is percentiles would be, if he was measured up against other slot guys, vs. WR's in general. Heck he's basically the same height/weight as Antonio Brown (different kid of player), though his arms are shorter and his hands are smaller. Welker and Amendola look to me like they are built a little sturdier than this guy.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 29, 2019 15:22:43 GMT -5
In regards to Renfrow, his size/length certainly isn't ideal, but NE has had a lot of success with players his size, and athletically he's on par with the Welker's and Amendola's of the world (same would go for size)... and he projects to be a very safe/high floor player at the NFL level. I like the fit in NE as his talent is uncovering quickly from the slot and catching the football, and that is what McD would prob ask him to do. I'd also be curious to see what is percentiles would be, if he was measured up against other slot guys, vs. WR's in general. Heck he's basically the same height/weight as Antonio Brown (different kid of player), though his arms are shorter and his hands are smaller. Welker and Amendola look to me like they are built a little sturdier than this guy. (47) consecutive starts and (43) straight games with a reception. Again, I agree that his size isn't ideal... but it hasn't prevented him from getting/staying on the field to date. I personally think he's well worth a middle-round investment.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 29, 2019 15:45:02 GMT -5
Aaron Wilson @aaronwilson_NFL 6h6 hours ago More West Virginia offensive tackle Yodny Cajuste tore his quadriceps and underwent surgery, according to a league source. Expected to be sidelined three months
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Mar 29, 2019 15:52:44 GMT -5
Aaron Wilson @aaronwilson_NFL 6h6 hours ago More West Virginia offensive tackle Yodny Cajuste tore his quadriceps and underwent surgery, according to a league source. Expected to be sidelined three months I wonder what kind of impact this will have on his draft stock, as I don't believe he ran at the Combine, or his pro day.
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Post by thejuice on Mar 29, 2019 16:40:56 GMT -5
Aaron Wilson @aaronwilson_NFL 6h6 hours ago More West Virginia offensive tackle Yodny Cajuste tore his quadriceps and underwent surgery, according to a league source. Expected to be sidelined three months I wonder what kind of impact this will have on his draft stock, as I don't believe he ran at the Combine, or his pro day. Do you like him for the pats at all? Is he strictly a rt or lt?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 18:56:25 GMT -5
Intangibles with Renfrow, at crucial times in games (especially big ones), he does what I want to see. He gets open, and he makes the Catch, in crucial situations. Don't go by numbers, with kids like this. He's a bulldog, like Welker, and Edelman are, especially when you raise the stakes. Plays bigger then they look. 2 time National Champion, that tells you something right there, as far as competition. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OhFBl_rO7Y
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Post by wazzu on Mar 29, 2019 19:05:31 GMT -5
Intangibles with Renfrow, at crucial times in games (especially big ones), he does what I want to see. He gets open, and he makes the Catch, in crucial situations. Don't go by numbers, with kids like this. He's a bulldog, like Welker, and Edelman are, especially when you raise the stakes. Plays bigger then they look. 2 time National Champion, that tells you something right there, as far as competition. I get that, and I agree. It’s just really hard for me to get past the hand size and arm length for an NFL, cold weather WR. We’ll see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 19:08:22 GMT -5
No problem against Alabama.
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Post by wazzu on Mar 29, 2019 19:22:37 GMT -5
No problem against Alabama. Fair. We really haven’t seen the guy play cold weather games, though. It makes a big difference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 19:34:26 GMT -5
Welker played in Texas, then for Miami, no problem. Pretty sure he didn't have huge hands.
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Post by wazzu on Mar 29, 2019 19:58:49 GMT -5
Welker played in Texas, then for Miami, no problem. Pretty sure he didn't have huge hands. True. I guess we’ll see. Renfrow looks very slight to me. My comparison is Daniel Braverman. We’ll see
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 30, 2019 3:24:56 GMT -5
Aaron Wilson @aaronwilson_NFL Follow Follow @aaronwilson_NFL More Western Kentucky tight end Mik'Quan Deane with an impressive Pro Day: 6-3, 239, 4.46 40 time, 10-2 broad jump, 34 1/2 vertical, 19 reps, 1.59 10-yard split, 2.72 20-yard split. "Great day for this guy," an NFL scout. "Opened eyes," Another scout compared him to Charles Clay
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 30, 2019 3:26:54 GMT -5
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 30, 2019 3:28:56 GMT -5
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Mar 30, 2019 10:53:46 GMT -5
Any thoughts on DE Joe Jackson from Miami?
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Post by wazzu on Mar 30, 2019 10:55:23 GMT -5
Any thoughts on DE Joe Jackson from Miami? I like him. I think he’s a Day 2 option for sure. Fits the size requirement that NE looks for in DE
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 30, 2019 12:25:47 GMT -5
OK glad I wasn't seeing things... Had checked out RB D Henderson and thought wow he's explosive BUT no one EVER touches this guy.
Come to find out he ran behind the 3rd ranked Offensive Line & faced the weakest strength of schedule(not sure how that ties with the OL ranking but whatever) of the RBs
I would be sacred to death to touch him as I have no idea how to eval him because of it. It's like watching Ki-jana Carter or Alex Green film
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 30, 2019 13:28:27 GMT -5
Has Scott Miller been talked about in this thread? The real Flash? Anthony Amico @amicsta Top 12 WR prospects based on my success probability model: Andy Isabella N'Keal Harry Marquise Brown AJ Brown Scott Miller JJ Arcega-Whiteside DK Metcalf KeeSean Johnson Greg Dortch Hakeem Butler Emanuel Hall Lil'Jordan Humphrey www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/scott-miller-3.html
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 30, 2019 13:45:15 GMT -5
Who this guy is standing on the table for this year...
Jonah Tuls
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@jonahtulsnfl
QB: Ryan Finley (later rounds)
RB: Darwin Thompson (Day 3)
WR: Mecole Hardman/Emanuel Hall
TE: Foster Moreau
OT: Jawaan Taylor
IOL: Connor McGovern
DL: Zach Allen
EDGE: Ben Banogu
LB: Blake Cashman
CB: Justin Layne/Sean Bunting
SAF: Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
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Post by lowfbiq on Mar 30, 2019 21:09:58 GMT -5
Priority UDFA KR?
Deonte Harris - Assumption, 4.39 40yd with a 1.49 10yd
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 31, 2019 4:48:31 GMT -5
32 Jerry Tillery, IDL Notre Dame
56 Michael Deiter, OL Wisconsin
64 Charles Omenihu, EDGE/IDL Texas
73 Andy Isabella, WR UMass
97 Kahale Warring, TE San Diego State
101 Terry McLaurin , WR Ohio State
134 Brett Rypien, QB Boise State
205 Lukas Denis, S Boston College
239 Brandon Fritts, TE North Carolina
243 Benny Snell, RB Kentucky
246 Kendall Joseph, LB Clemson
252 Donnie Lewis Jr, CB Tulane
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Post by jjdbrasil on Mar 31, 2019 5:22:50 GMT -5
32: R1P32 G CHRIS LINDSTROM BOSTON COLLEGE 56: R2P24 DL ZACH ALLEN BOSTON COLLEGE 64: R2P32 TE JACE STERNBERGER TEXAS A&M 73: R3P9 OT BOBBY EVANS OKLAHOMA 97: R3P33 WR KELVIN HARMON NC STATE 101: R3P37 S DARNELL SAVAGE MARYLAND 134: R4P32 LB JAHLANI TAVAI HAWAII 205: R6P32 TE ALIZE MACK NOTRE DAME 239: R7P25 RB DEVINE OZIGBO NEBRASKA 243: R7P29WR RON'QUAVION TARVER UTAH STATE 246: R7P32 DL ARMON WATTS ARKANSAS 252: R7P38 EDGE GERRI GREEN MISSISSIPPI STATE
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