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Post by teegee on Mar 31, 2019 11:04:45 GMT -5
BB Drafted a TE in first Round after he Drafted one 2 years earlier. One Crazy Coach. I remember thinking who are we Drafting at #1 in the TE position after we Drafted Watson. He loves himself some TE's. In the First Round anything goes, as far as TE's. True. It wouldn’t shock me if he traded up to #17 or so for Hock or Fant I'd be shocked, that's a lot of draft capital to move that far. IMHO it's more likely they'll trade up to 25 with Seattle.
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Post by wazzu on Mar 31, 2019 12:32:45 GMT -5
True. It wouldn’t shock me if he traded up to #17 or so for Hock or Fant I'd be shocked, that's a lot of draft capital to move that far. IMHO it's more likely they'll trade up to 25 with Seattle. Seattle picks at 21. I agree they are a likely trade partner if NE decides to move up. Seattle desperately needs more picks. They only have 4 at the moment
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Post by teegee on Mar 31, 2019 13:54:39 GMT -5
I'd be shocked, that's a lot of draft capital to move that far. IMHO it's more likely they'll trade up to 25 with Seattle. Seattle picks at 21. I agree they are a likely trade partner if NE decides to move up. Seattle desperately needs more picks. They only have 4 at the moment My bad. I believe it's the Eagles at 25, also possible trading partners. Other than the Raiders, don't see any AFC teams in the mix.
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Post by ucmiami on Mar 31, 2019 14:14:22 GMT -5
As far as trade partners, I think Seattle and Oakland are two solid possibles in the 20s (two choices as far as Oakland is concerned. And never count out Andy in KC - he and Bill have a long history of working out trades.
I also think Bill trading 32 into the early 2nd round and getting something mid fifth or into next year is likely - by 32 you are looking at either a falling guy, or a larger group of possible picks one of whom should be still available in the late 30s. There are really not of people who grade so specifically that at late first round area - the cream of the draft has already been taken and you are into the 'very good prospects' players as opposed to the 'sure fire starters.'
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Mar 31, 2019 15:33:49 GMT -5
As far as trade partners, I think Seattle and Oakland are two solid possibles in the 20s (two choices as far as Oakland is concerned. And never count out Andy in KC - he and Bill have a long history of working out trades. I also think Bill trading 32 into the early 2nd round and getting something mid fifth or into next year is likely - by 32 you are looking at either a falling guy, or a larger group of possible picks one of whom should be still available in the late 30s. There are really not of people who grade so specifically that at late first round area - the cream of the draft has already been taken and you are into the 'very good prospects' players as opposed to the 'sure fire starters.' This team had a lot of needs. They need to make these selections. Right now the wr situation is a mess.
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Post by wazzu on Mar 31, 2019 15:48:28 GMT -5
As far as trade partners, I think Seattle and Oakland are two solid possibles in the 20s (two choices as far as Oakland is concerned. And never count out Andy in KC - he and Bill have a long history of working out trades. I also think Bill trading 32 into the early 2nd round and getting something mid fifth or into next year is likely - by 32 you are looking at either a falling guy, or a larger group of possible picks one of whom should be still available in the late 30s. There are really not of people who grade so specifically that at late first round area - the cream of the draft has already been taken and you are into the 'very good prospects' players as opposed to the 'sure fire starters.' This team had a lot of needs. They need to make these selections. Right now the wr situation is a mess. You’ve been whining about the WR situation long enough. We get it. You don’t like our WRs at the moment. We don’t play a meaningful game for about 6 months, though. I’m fairly certain Belichick isn’t too stressed. Relax
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Post by wazzu on Mar 31, 2019 16:21:49 GMT -5
Trade For a Stud DT Patriots Mock Draft I saw this trade idea in a cbs sports mock draft recently, and I really like the idea so I’m stealing it for this. Tampa trades DT Gerald McCoy and #39 to NE for #32. McCoy is an experienced, talented vet and he would fit very nicely into NE’s front 7. #39. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson. S. Florida. This is becoming my guy for the Safety position. I still prefer Raap, but I think he will be gone before 32. Gardner-Johnson has a lot to like and I could see him taking over Chung’s spot when the great Patrick Chung retires. NE trades #56 & #101 to WSH for #46 #46. Chris Lindstrom. OL. Boston College. Here’s a new toy Scar, a little token of appreciation for all of your greatness. If a versatile talent like Lindstrom slides too deep into the 2nd Rnd, Belichick won’t just twiddle his thumbs. This kid is solid, and he could make Thuney the next comp pick for NE, which is where I think he’s headed if he doesn’t get an extension soon. #64. Andy Isabella. WR. UMass. I covered him last mock. He’s explosive from the Slot and a prefect fit for NE. If they want him, this is the range. He could even go a little earlier, but I’d gamble he makes it to 64. #73. Joe Jackson. DE. Miami. Someone brought him up the other day. He checks a lot of the boxes for playing the Edge in NE. Big, stout vs the run and I think he’s got the versatility to move around, similar to how they used Flowers. #96. Emmanuel Hall. WR. Mizzou. Hall is a 1st Round talent, but inconsistent film is going to cause him to fall quite a ways. Boom or bust. I think he’s the type of guy who McD would like to gamble on. #134. Foster Moreau. TE. LSU. Moreau is a Day 1 contributer as a blocker and I think he has the athleticism to work his way into the passing game sooner than later. NE Trades #239 & #243 to KC for #216 #216. Trey Pipkins. OT. Sioux Falls. I covered this guy a little bit in an earlier mock. I really like him. 6’6 307 he has that traditional OT frame. He’s also very quick with his feet. He’s a small school guy so he’s tough to evaluate against lower competition, but I think he’s a guy that NE may target late if he’s still in the board. #246. Landis Durham. Edge. Texas A&M. This draft is deep at the DL position. If NE sits back and waits with their late picks, I think a pretty good player will fall into their laps. Durham has some bad film where he gets engulfed by OTs, but he also has some great film where he explodes off the line and gets the edge with ease. A project guy with talent. #252. Ryan Connelly. LB. Wisconsin. Connelly is an overlooked player who has been overshadowed by his teammate. He they type of player who no one will give much of a chance until he starts making plays in camp and the preseason and forces his way onto the 53 Man Roster to start the season. BAM!!! Like it!!! Thanks Man. We’re less than a month from the draft. It’s getting pretty exciting having all these picks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 7:46:55 GMT -5
I read this about a Month back, and looking for the exact numbers, but as I remember, 90% of all Draft Prospects that come to Foxboro for interviews, wont get Drafted by the Pats. Chris Price broke it all down, so I'll look for it. But, if he's coming now, don't expect a Pick in April. Most of the time, its for the future, if they are available.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 1, 2019 9:01:06 GMT -5
I read this about a Month back, and looking for the exact numbers, but as I remember, 90% of all Draft Prospects that come to Foxboro for interviews, wont get Drafted by the Pats. Chris Price broke it all down, so I'll look for it. But, if he's coming now, don't expect a Pick in April. Most of the time, its for the future, if they are available. Great point. Yeah, I agree with this. It seems like NE does like to use these pre-draft visits to gain intel on guys who they either may be playing against and/or who they may decide to acquire at a later time. I think they like to hold their cards pretty close to the vest when it comes to the players that they are actually interested in drafting.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 1, 2019 9:50:39 GMT -5
I read this about a Month back, and looking for the exact numbers, but as I remember, 90% of all Draft Prospects that come to Foxboro for interviews, wont get Drafted by the Pats. Chris Price broke it all down, so I'll look for it. But, if he's coming now, don't expect a Pick in April. Most of the time, its for the future, if they are available. There have been a number of players that have come in recent years that I believe that the Patriots have taken. However, I don't think them being taken or not taken has anything to do with the visit to Foxboro. It merely has to do with that player being available to them at the spot they have them positioned on the board. The Patriots simply win too much and always picking in a crappy spot and other teams are often grabbing players from the visit list prior to the the spot the Patriots would like to grab a player because they are a good player and other teams like them as well. Last year for instance.... The Patriots drafted 3 players from their 30 official visits That is 10% of the 30 player visit list(or 90% that didn't get taken like he stated) BUT 33% of their whole 2018 Pats draft class came from that visit list I'm too lazy but I'd also be curious exactly how any on the list were off the board before they even got to their say 3rd or 4th pick. ...and how many were off the board prior to each of the 9 picks. Another example is Rashaan Evans was an official 30 player visit for the Pats and I don't know if the Pats would have taken him or not as other players they might not have thought would be available to them at that spot were, like Wynn, but the Titans trading in right in front of the Pats and selected him(Rashaan Evans). If the Pats did take him that would have been 4 players from their 30 player visit list out of 9 picks, almost 45%. Here is another example. The Titans jumped in right before the Pats pick(2 spots) in the 2nd round to select Harold Landry. Landry was not a official 30 player visit for the Pats and I have no idea if he was however the Pats traded out of their spot one pick later. Another player was available to them that was on the 30 player visit list, Kerryon Johnson, however Sony Michel dell in their laps and probably did not think he would so RB was no longer a need at that spot. Doubt it had anything to do with their real interest in Johnson. Johnson by the way was indeed taken at the spot they traded out of, yup by another ex Patriots regime, the Lions. The Patriots absolutely have genuine interest in the players they bring in for visits, at the values they have placed on them. 1) Sometimes they are there and they take them 2) Sometimes they are not on the board any longer 3) Sometimes they are there but a better player unexpected fell in their lap at the same value point
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 1, 2019 11:02:29 GMT -5
Isn't there a limit of 30 visits pre-draft, which by definition if used would average out to a possible draft percentage of 7/30 = 23% so I suspect if you checked any team's drafting vs. player visits it would be a very low percentage. And the work-outs for players at their schools/draft days is going represent a minuscule perchentage that actual get drafted.
It is really similar to job interviews in any profession - you look at resumes, call a bunch of folks in and hire one, only with football you have 22 possible positions to fill and only on average 7 chances to hire. Those numbers lead to very low ratios between visits and drafted players.
And I suspect a fair number of visits are for 'intriguing' players - the ones that are borderline on their draft board rather than 'locks' - the visit designed to exclude or include the player from the board.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 1, 2019 12:52:39 GMT -5
Below is my updated board... with my final board coming on draft day. A few things of note: 1. I tried to only include players that I think could be available when they're on the clock (Ferrell and Bush) are probably the least likely to be there). 2. I tried to stay strict to what I believe are their size thresholds (with the exception of LB, where I've added some LB's that are in the 234+ range). 3. I tried to keep things to a max of (75) players. 4. I broke things down by color, with GREEN being players I like in Rd 1, NAVY in Rd 2, and GREY being the middle rounds, and WHITE being later on Day 3.... I've also bolded the new additions to the board. 5. I will continue to make updates/tweaks until draft day, as more tape/info becomes available.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 1, 2019 13:38:15 GMT -5
Below is my updated board... with my final board coming on draft day. A few things of note: 1. I tried to only include players that I think could be available when they're on the clock (Ferrell are probably the least likely to be there). 2. I tried to stay strict to what I believe are their size thresholds (with the exception of LB, where I've added some LB's that are in the 234+ range). 3. I tried to keep things to a max of (75) players. 4. I broke things down by color, with GREEN being players I like in Rd 1, NAVY in Rd 2, and GREY being the middle rounds, and WHITE being later on Day 3.... I've also bolded the new additions to the board. 5. I will continue to make updates/tweaks until draft day, as more tape/info becomes available. Nice job MB, shakes out very similar to my own so far with some exceptions. Except QBs, we always see QBs very differently I took Hardman off my board, converted DB to WR, that typically goes the other way around. Poor contested catch rate in college. If I am going to go athlete profile I'd much rather go McLaurin. Named permanent Capt two years ago, Considered a coach on the field. Was abusing players during senior bowl practices and then explaining to them how he beat them lol. Special teams demon apparently? I'm gonna guess you think McClaurin will be long gone when Hardman is still available? Also added a bunch of WR's at the bottom of my group list, like Morgan, with those "current" (4) 7th rounders needing to be used. Unfortunate they can't even move you up at all in earlier rounds and only really good for throwing a team an extra bone in a trade. I also do not have Winovich on my board. I just don't think they look at guys like that. I was also certain if I was betting on it that you would have him on your board remembering how much you loved Brooks Reed back when I was a Justin Houston guy coming out. I think Chase is all speed and no power. I feel think those guys don't work out in the Pats system. I'm also starting to think it's one of the hold ups preventing Rivers from more consistent playing time. Also had Saunders(love the wrestling background) and Cowart with my DT's but I know you are keeping the list short. I have Kaleb McGary in my OL list, apparently was slapping the snot out of people at the senior bowl with those massive meat hooks. The typical athletic long guy like Solder and them hosting that kid from UCLA last year, that Scar seems to be able to fix/get right, etc. Lastly I've got more backs on my list, specifically focusing on the one role/size they do not currently have and also fit the Pats power run scheme. Like Armstead as you listed I included late round guys like Mattison, Barnes, etc.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 1, 2019 13:43:49 GMT -5
Zack Cox Verified account @zackcoxnesn 3m3 minutes ago More The Patriots reportedly are hosting hard-hitting safety Johnathan Abrams for a pre-draft visit. nesn.com/?p=929682
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 1, 2019 13:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 1, 2019 14:02:31 GMT -5
Contested catch numbers last two seasons for every sub-4.4 WR at the combine (catches-opportunities):
Parris Campbell (9-17) = 52.9%
Terry McLaurin (13-26) = 50%
D.K. Metcalf (11-29) = 37.9%
Andy Isabella (16-46) = 34.7%
Darius Slayton (8-28) = 28.5%
Emanuel Hall (6-24) = 25%
Mecole Hardman (2-9) = 22.2%
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Apr 1, 2019 14:08:32 GMT -5
The Patriots are scouring the college football world for receiving talent and will get a face-to-face look at Arizona State's N'Keal Harry. The wide receiver is set to head to Foxboro for a pre-draft visit with the defending champs, according to Mike Garafolo of the NFL Network. Harry has six visits lined up in all.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 1, 2019 14:10:45 GMT -5
Below is my updated board... with my final board coming on draft day. A few things of note: 1. I tried to only include players that I think could be available when they're on the clock (Ferrell are probably the least likely to be there). 2. I tried to stay strict to what I believe are their size thresholds (with the exception of LB, where I've added some LB's that are in the 234+ range). 3. I tried to keep things to a max of (75) players. 4. I broke things down by color, with GREEN being players I like in Rd 1, NAVY in Rd 2, and GREY being the middle rounds, and WHITE being later on Day 3.... I've also bolded the new additions to the board. 5. I will continue to make updates/tweaks until draft day, as more tape/info becomes available. Nice job MB, shakes out very similar to my own so far with some exceptions. Except QBs, we always see QBs very differently Haha, thanks man.I took Hardman off my board, converted DB to WR, that typically goes the other way around. Poor contested catch rate in college. If I am going to go athlete profile I'd much rather go McLaurin. Named permanent Capt two years ago, Considered a coach on the field. Was abusing players during senior bowl practices and then explaining to them how he beat them lol. Special teams demon apparently? I'm gonna guess you think McClaurin will be long gone when Hardman is still available? I think Hardman is an ascending player, and love the return potential as well. I also agree that contested catches are a concern at this point, or at least something that he'll need to work on. I'd have Hardman over McClaurin... but will be giving the latter a longer look... and I do like that he was a two-time captain, and would expect BB to place value in it as well. I remember watching some of his tape early in this cycle, but don't remember being overly impressed or blown away... but want to re-watch knowing he ran 4.35 at the Combine... to see if it translates. Also added a bunch of WR's at the bottom of my group list with those "current" (4) 7th rounders needing to be used. Unfortunate they can't even move you up at all in earlier rounds and only really good for throwing a team an extra bone in a trade. I too have some WR's on my "UDFA" list that could possibly considerations later on Day 3. Players like Jeff Smith from BC and Nick Easley from Iowa (6.5 3C and 3.8 SS!), etc. I also do not have Winovich on my board. I just don't think they look at guys like that. I was also certain if I was betting on it that you would have him on your board remembering how much you loved Brooks Reed back when I was a Justin Houston guy coming out. I think Chase is all speed and no power. I feel think those guys don't work out in the Pats system. I'm also starting to think it's one of the hold ups preventing Rivers from more consistent playing time. I think he's a more refined player than Reed, but gives a similar effort, and plays with that frenetic pace... not to mention the gold locks. I was also surprised to see that he wasn't a full-time captain. Also had Saunders(love the wrestling background) and Cowart with my DT's but I know you are keeping the list short. I have Kaleb McGary in my OL list, apparently was slapping the snot out of people at the senior bowl with those massive meat hooks. The typical athletic long guy like Solder and them hosting that kid from UCLA last year, that Scar seems to be able to fix/get right, etc. McGary is tall, but is built a bit like a t-rex, with 32 7/8" arms... which is why I left him off this latest iteration. Lastly I've got more backs on my list, specifically focusing on the one role/size they do not currently have and also fit the Pats power run scheme. Like Armstead as you listed I included late round guys like Mattison, Barnes, etc.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 1, 2019 14:20:13 GMT -5
Looking forward to Taylor Rapp's 40 time (Washington's pro day is today)... expecting low-mid 4.5's, which would be fine.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 1, 2019 15:08:55 GMT -5
Looking forward to Taylor Rapp's 40 time (Washington's pro day is today)... expecting low-mid 4.5's, which would be fine. Rob Rang ✔ @robrang High ranking NFL scout among those recording 40-yard dash times today had Taylor Rapp at 4.77, Myles Gaskin at 4.56. ...usual/typical comments from others following.... injury, hamstring, etc. Jonah Tuls Verified account @jonahtulsnfl Following Following @jonahtulsnfl More Taylor Rapp reportedly ran a 4.74 via @movethesticks. My comparison for Rapp? Tony Jefferson, who just so happened to run 4.75.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 1, 2019 15:19:23 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love Rapp's tape, but 4.7+ is gross... I might have to take him off my board, as painful as that'd be.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 1, 2019 15:37:48 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love Rapp's tape, but 4.7+ is gross... I might have to take him off my board, as painful as that'd be. Yeah that’s pretty much a disaster. I was worried about that.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 1, 2019 15:40:05 GMT -5
Gardner-Johnson is now the clear-cut number one safety that I want out of this draft. I was starting to lean that direction, and Raap’s slow time pushed me over the top
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 1, 2019 15:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by wazzu on Apr 1, 2019 16:26:45 GMT -5
Good article. I’m happy to see there’s a lot of players on this list that I have been working into my mocks
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