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Post by wazzu on Apr 8, 2019 15:24:18 GMT -5
Where does everyone stand on Irv Smith Jr.? 1. Do you want him? 2. If so, what's the highest pick that you'd be cool with NE selecting him.... Top 40? Top 64? Rd 3? Day 3? Yes, I’d take him. I think he’s a much better player than his measurable indicate. However, due to size and short arms I’d say try to either trade back from 32 or wait until 56 for him. 32 is a little too rich for him, IMO
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 8, 2019 15:39:49 GMT -5
Where does everyone stand on Irv Smith Jr.? 1. Do you want him? 2. If so, what's the highest pick that you'd be cool with NE selecting him.... Top 40? Top 64? Rd 3? Day 3? He is in my list of very difficult aggravating decisions to make for when it comes time to make my final boards. Players like him, Grier, Lock, Ya-sin, Rapp, Ridley, Holyfield, Henderson, etc. I don't feel like he is TE3 for me, but at the same time I feel like, day 1 he might be the most ready for an NFL passing game. He is a tough one. Film is good not exceptional, he's not ideal size, or speed/athlete, and therefore don't think there is a ton of upside since he's benefited from good coaching already and the aforementioned athletic limits. He has very good strong hands. ...and although it was a stupid job interview, the amount of difficulty and time he spent OG trying to track passes at the combine was a wtf is going on kind of thing.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 8, 2019 15:44:23 GMT -5
What do you guys think of LB Cole Holcomb? Have him on my UDFA list, based on his times... but haven't looked at this tape yep. There sure seem to be a lot of athletic "undersized" LB's in this class! So true... and Takitaki is another. Have you seen any lists around talking about some of the best special teams players in the country last season?
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 8, 2019 15:50:34 GMT -5
Where does everyone stand on Irv Smith Jr.? 1. Do you want him? 2. If so, what's the highest pick that you'd be cool with NE selecting him.... Top 40? Top 64? Rd 3? Day 3? I moved off him I think if Hock or Fant are not available rd 1, I do not see NE going for him at 32. I think 64 or 73 would be good value for him. He probably will not last but NE will not reach.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 8, 2019 16:15:51 GMT -5
Where does everyone stand on Irv Smith Jr.? 1. Do you want him? 2. If so, what's the highest pick that you'd be cool with NE selecting him.... Top 40? Top 64? Rd 3? Day 3? I’d be happy with smith, but not at 32. So either at 56 or perhaps if they wanted to trade up to late 40s to get him I’d be ok with that probably too.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 8, 2019 16:38:12 GMT -5
Mike Reiss Verified account @mikereiss 57m57 minutes ago More As @mikegiardi said, Texas A&M tight end Jace Sternberger is one of a handful of draft prospects visiting the Patriots today. Sternberger (6-4, 251) led all TEs in TD catches (10) in '18, while averaging 17.3 yards per catch. The Patriots are 1 of 9 teams he's scheduled to visit.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 8, 2019 16:41:17 GMT -5
Where does everyone stand on Irv Smith Jr.? 1. Do you want him? 2. If so, what's the highest pick that you'd be cool with NE selecting him.... Top 40? Top 64? Rd 3? Day 3? I think he doesn't get enough credit as a blocker and maybe this has hurt his stock a bit overall. His combine didn't do him any favors either. I would ideally like someone a bit longer, a bit more athletic, a bit better in all phases overall. But despite the depth at TE in this draft, I don't really see too many all around TE's that are day 1 starters. IF we are going to draft a TE (which I believe we will), I think Irv would be a fine choice based on what we do and where we draft. Maybe the best part about Irv is he has yet to really realize this full potential. I think Irv has a high ceiling. he only played 2 years at Bama, seeing a jump in production from year 1 to year 2. Ideally, I would love to take him off the board with the 1st of our second rounders. I don't think he lasts that long given what I said above. I'd be okay taking him at 32 because I think he checks all 4 boxes; 1. Run blocking is pretty good. Not great, but good with potential to get much better. He's serviceable, but not nasty. 2. 3rd down weapon. kid is going to move the chains, catch some contested balls and get some good YAC. 3. RZ target (he won't win by out leaping defenders, but he knows how to use his big body down low) 4. Good receiving option on all downs and knows how to win against man (against LBs, some safeties) and knows how to find soft spots in zone coverages.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 8, 2019 16:44:10 GMT -5
Mike Reiss Verified account @mikereiss 57m57 minutes ago More As @mikegiardi said, Texas A&M tight end Jace Sternberger is one of a handful of draft prospects visiting the Patriots today. Sternberger (6-4, 251) led all TEs in TD catches (10) in '18, while averaging 17.3 yards per catch. The Patriots are 1 of 9 teams he's scheduled to visit. I don't get this. He's a smaller version of Lacosse. Neither can block. That's okay I guess because each give us big RZ options.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 8, 2019 19:39:56 GMT -5
Highest PFF grade when facing "single" coverage:
1) Jace Sternberger, Texas A&M 2) Caleb Wilson, UCLA 3) T.J. Hockenson, Iowa 4) Irv Smith, Alabama 5) Josh Oliver, San Jose State
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 8, 2019 19:55:02 GMT -5
Another Mock(Evan Lazars):
Round 1 Pick 32: Dexter Lawrence Round 2 Pick 24: JJ Arcega-Whiteside Round 2 Pick 32: Jace Sternberger Round 3 Pick 9: David Long Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Anthony Nelson Round 3 Pick 37 (COMP): Max Sharping Round 4 Pick 32: Brett Rypien Round 6 Pick 32 (COMP): Saquan Hampton Round 7 Pick 25: Trey Pipkins Round 7 Pick 29: Nick Easley Round 7 Pick 32: Tony Pollard Round 7 Pick 38 (COMP): CJ Conrad
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Post by patslifer on Apr 8, 2019 20:29:34 GMT -5
Highest PFF grade when facing "single" coverage:1) Jace Sternberger, Texas A&M 2) Caleb Wilson, UCLA 3) T.J. Hockenson, Iowa 4) Irv Smith, Alabama 5) Josh Oliver, San Jose State Interesting. The kid can definitely catch and is a pretty good route runner. The question I have about him is is he just a smaller version of Lacosse? And if so, do we want that or someone different?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 20:55:35 GMT -5
I was into Max Sharping, awhile back. Has some of the slowest feet for a OT, that I saw this year. I know he let up, very little sacks and pressure, but I'm going that he didn't face the competition, that he will in the NFL. For me a Day 3 Pick, and he will need work. I took him off my list.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 8, 2019 21:23:16 GMT -5
Another Mock(Evan Lazars): Round 1 Pick 32: Dexter Lawrence Round 2 Pick 24: JJ Arcega-Whiteside Round 2 Pick 32: Jace Sternberger Round 3 Pick 9: David Long Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Anthony Nelson Round 3 Pick 37 (COMP): Max Sharping Round 4 Pick 32: Brett Rypien Round 6 Pick 32 (COMP): Saquan Hampton Round 7 Pick 25: Trey Pipkins Round 7 Pick 29: Nick Easley Round 7 Pick 32: Tony Pollard Round 7 Pick 38 (COMP): CJ Conrad I’ll take that all day long
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 6:54:20 GMT -5
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 9, 2019 7:05:45 GMT -5
From DraftSite
Rnd. Pick Player Position School Height Weight Picks from 2019 NFL Mock Draft (* = Junior; ** = Sophomore; *** = Freshman)
1 32 Jerry Tillary DT Notre Dame 6' 6" 295 2 56 Jaylon Ferguson DE Louisiana Tech 6' 5" 255 2 64 Irv Smith Jr.* TE Alabama 6' 2" 242 3 73 Parris Campbell WR Ohio State 6' 1" 208 3 97 Ryan Finley QB NC State 6' 4" 213 3 101 Saivion Smith* CB Alabama 6' 1" 200 4 134 Cameron Smith ILB USC 6' 1" 250 6 205 Chris Johnson S North Alabama 6' 2" 195 7 239 John Ursua* WR Hawaii 5' 9" 175 7 243 Nick Linder OC Indiana 6' 3" 300 7 246 Blake Cashman ILB Minnesota 6' 1" 237 7 252 DJ Bailey DE Harvard 6' 2" 265
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Post by wazzu on Apr 9, 2019 8:10:32 GMT -5
He comes from a tremendous pedigree, too. His Dad was a legendary linebacker at WSU during the 1994 season and was the #10 overall pick in the ‘95 draft. He had a nice NFL career with NO and CAR. One of my all time favs
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 9, 2019 8:18:30 GMT -5
Have him on my UDFA list, based on his times... but haven't looked at this tape yep. There sure seem to be a lot of athletic "undersized" LB's in this class! So true... and Takitaki is another. Have you seen any lists around talking about some of the best special teams players in the country last season? Good question... I haven't, and wish there was some sort of resource to find that type of data. I do look for it quite often when reading scouting reports, and will sometimes make my own projections based on a players aggression, ability as a tackler and style of play. For example, I think Drue Tranquill projects to be a heck of a ST cover guy at the next level, due to his speed, toughness, and physicality.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 9, 2019 8:26:42 GMT -5
So true... and Takitaki is another. Have you seen any lists around talking about some of the best special teams players in the country last season? Good question... I haven't, and wish there was some sort of resource to find that type of data. I do look for it quite often when reading scouting reports, and will sometimes make my own projects based on a players aggression, ability as a tackler and style of play. For example, I think Drue Tranquill projects to be a heck of a ST cover guy at the next level, due to his speed, toughness, and physicality. same here, I will throw a check mark next to a guy if I happen to read a blurb about that players special teams play
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 9, 2019 8:31:32 GMT -5
RE: My question on Irv Smith Jr.
I guess I'm a little higher on him than most, as I think he's a good, realistic option for pick #32, and while I don't feel like he's a Rd 1 lock, I don't see him getting out of the top 45 or so. And I've watched a lot of tape on a lot of players during this cycle, and he, IMO, has some of the most consistently good tape that I've seen. And found it interesting that Danielson mentioned him lining up at (11) different spots on the field, during one of this broadcasts... and we know versatility is the name of the game in NE.
I also like that he's still very young, turning 21 around the start of camp, and has already show a good deal of development over his time at Alabama, and producing against top level competition. For example, here he is roasting Grant Delpit (a projected 2020 Rd 1/Top 10 pick at the moment), who had man coverage on him:
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Post by wazzu on Apr 9, 2019 8:39:13 GMT -5
RE: My question on Irv Smith Jr. I guess I'm a little higher on him than most, as I think he's a good, realistic option for pick #32, and while I don't feel like he's a Rd 1 lock, I don't see him getting out of the top 45 or so. And I've watched a lot of tape on a lot of players during this cycle, and he, IMO, has some of the most consistently good tape that I've seen. And found it interesting that Danielson mentioned him lining up at (11) different spots on the field, during one of this broadcasts... and we know versatility is the name of the game in NE. I also like that he's still very young, turning 21 around the start of camp, and has already show a good deal of development over his time at Alabama, and producing against top level competition. For example, here he is roasting Grant Delpit (a projected 2020 Rd 1/Top 10 pick at the moment), who had man coverage on him: Good stuff, MB. Yeah, like I said, he’s a really good player. His measurables are what they are, but he could be one of those guys who just performs on the field regardless. I do like him. NE may be targeting him. I’d be ok with him at 32, but I’d feel a lot better about him in the 2nd. Good player for sure. The versatility is big.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 9, 2019 9:38:03 GMT -5
RE: My question on Irv Smith Jr. I guess I'm a little higher on him than most, as I think he's a good, realistic option for pick #32, and while I don't feel like he's a Rd 1 lock, I don't see him getting out of the top 45 or so. And I've watched a lot of tape on a lot of players during this cycle, and he, IMO, has some of the most consistently good tape that I've seen. And found it interesting that Danielson mentioned him lining up at (11) different spots on the field, during one of this broadcasts... and we know versatility is the name of the game in NE. I also like that he's still very young, turning 21 around the start of camp, and has already show a good deal of development over his time at Alabama, and producing against top level competition. For example, here he is roasting Grant Delpit (a projected 2020 Rd 1/Top 10 pick at the moment), who had man coverage on him: I agree with your assessment of Smith. I don't see him getting out of the top 45 either. Yes, he's versatile and he doesn't get enough credit in the blocking department. He's a very good receiving option, and I love how he uses his body down low in the RZ. I'd feel 100% okay taking him at 32 given our needs and his versatility. Like you I think he has some athletic limitations, but he's young, still learning. he plays faster than what he was timed at, and I think he will continue to refine his route running.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 10:07:04 GMT -5
I refuse to look at the obvious with BB. Kids falling different story, (Top 15), I don't think Irv Smith is one of these kids.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 9, 2019 10:19:27 GMT -5
Same, and he definitely fits their size and athletic profile at the position.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 10:31:04 GMT -5
I heard BB is in Florida today, working out some Prospects, and Sternberger is in Foxboro for a visit, also OT Kaleb McGary.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 9, 2019 10:32:40 GMT -5
Where does everyone stand on Irv Smith Jr.? 1. Do you want him? 2. If so, what's the highest pick that you'd be cool with NE selecting him.... Top 40? Top 64? Rd 3? Day 3? He is in my list of very difficult aggravating decisions to make for when it comes time to make my final boards. Players like him, Grier, Lock, Ya-sin, Rapp, Ridley, Holyfield, Henderson, etc. I don't feel like he is TE3 for me, but at the same time I feel like, day 1 he might be the most ready for an NFL passing game. He is a tough one. Film is good not exceptional, he's not ideal size, or speed/athlete, and therefore don't think there is a ton of upside since he's benefited from good coaching already and the aforementioned athletic limits. He has very good strong hands. ...and although it was a stupid job interview, the amount of difficulty and time he spent OG trying to track passes at the combine was a wtf is going on kind of thing. I feel ya... and Ya-sin is a player that I want to like, and do, but took him off my board due to his 7.31 3C. I'd also agree on Grier, as there is a lot to like, but for a team that values protecting the football and good decision making, he leaves a lot to be desired as he takes bad sacks and can force some dumb throws. Heck, I agree on Rapp, and Henderson as well, for reasons that have been discussed. With Holyfield, IDGAF, I've added him back to my board, as I think they could do a lot worse than selecting him as a power back, later on day 3, despite his pedestrian 40 time.
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