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Post by ucmiami on Apr 13, 2019 14:41:12 GMT -5
My feeling on drafting at the back end of round 1 (29-32) is that unless you have a vastly different evaluation on a player than everyone else, you have already gotten into the players that you pool as high second rounders and if anyone is willing to give you decent trade value for that pick, you take it (and decent value is either a next year 1st rounder plus something, or an early second plus, or ...)
OR you find someone willing to make a reasonable trade up with to get one of those solid first round grade players you want.
OR you find no one willing to give good value and you take the best second round grade player on your board.
We sometimes forget you do have to find a willing trade partner from among the other 31 teams and sometimes they aren't there or aren't offering enough.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 13, 2019 15:08:41 GMT -5
A few things that I think I know about this Draft (but probably don’t...) I don’t think NE is going to pick at #32. It just seems like a move up or back is coming. Belichick has a ton of picks to maneuver this season. I really think he will be aggressive during this draft because NE doesn’t have room for 12 rookies on this roster. I don’t think TE is as dire of a need as a lot of people do. Did you see the deal that they gave LaCosse? That’s a significant amount of money. It seems to me that they view him as more than a camp body. I also think Izzo may be a bigger part of the plans than a lot of people think. ASJ is a wild card. He could be a camp cut, or he could have a really good season. Bottom line, yes, I’m sure that Belichick will address the TE position, but don’t be shocked if he waits until a little bit later in the draft than you think he should. On the other hand, I don’t think we will get past pick #64 without seeing NE draft a WR, and I think that this is the offensive position where Belichick will double-dip. I also think that Belichick will double-dip at DE, but I think they will be 2 different types of DEs. I think NE will take a big, strong, edge-setting stud who can play inside, and also a lighter, quicker pass rush style DE who can also play standing up. I think that NE will walk away from this draft with at least 1 future draft pick acquired from this year’s draft capital. I think Deebo Samuel ends up a Patriot. He may be the best team fit for them in this entire class. Idk about that. This team has a ton of picks. I feel trading up would made most sense. I hope somehow a guy like aj brown falls a little.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 16:22:44 GMT -5
I would be surprised if BB Drafts a WR in the 1st Round. You can get a Stanley Morgan, Boykin, Renfrow, Isabella. More kind of Pats Receivers. More of the quick change of direction types. Here's an evaluation of Brown. thedraftnetwork.com/player/aj-brown
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 13, 2019 16:46:48 GMT -5
I would be surprised if BB Drafts a WR in the 1st Round. You can get a Stanley Morgan, Boykin, Renfrow, Isabella. More kind of Pats Receivers. More of the quick change of direction types. Here's an evaluation of Brown. thedraftnetwork.com/player/aj-brown Renfrow is ok but he has no speed. I want a guy like gordon and a guy like Edelman. I want deebo in this draft.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 17:32:55 GMT -5
Renfrow had a better 3-cone time then Isabella. BB really likes those 3 cone times. He would be a steal in the 6th Round. 2 time National Champ, that performs in the big games, has to matter. One of the best clutch players, in past 3 years. Performs when it matters....wonder when I heard that before.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 13, 2019 17:37:21 GMT -5
Renfrow had a better 3-cone time then Isabella. BB really likes those 3 cone times. Isabella is a heck of a player. Time will tell if he can be a player in the nfl but that Georgia game blew me away. I wonder if bill would reach for him. He’s from a small school so that always worries you but how is his route running?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 17:40:22 GMT -5
Isabella never played for a Championship. Renfrow did it 3 times. Won 2.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 17:46:24 GMT -5
I like Isabella too, but if he is gone, I have no problem with Renfrow. True Slot Receiver, that the Pats use for this Offense last 20 years.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 13, 2019 17:57:57 GMT -5
I like Isabella too, but if he is gone, I have no problem with Renfrow. True Slot Receiver, that the Pats use for this Offense last 20 years. Frankly i am hoping we trade the 73 overral pick back to the lions for marvin jones. I want an experienced wr. They could go a number of ways but i am expecting us to trade for a veteran wr.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 0:08:14 GMT -5
With the 32nd overall pick in the 2019 NFL draft the New England Patriots select...
Doggo Bowser Safety Backyard State
In this short highlight clip you can see a good read on the QB, perfect and tough form tackle with a forced fumble and a scoop and score!
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 5:38:29 GMT -5
With the 32nd overall pick in the 2019 NFL draft the New England Patriots select... Doggo Bowser Safety Backyard State In this short highlight clip you can see a good read on the QB, perfect and tough form tackle with a forced fumble and a scoop and score! Def a more secure tackler than Jonathan Abram. haha
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 5:46:48 GMT -5
I would be surprised if BB Drafts a WR in the 1st Round. You can get a Stanley Morgan, Boykin, Renfrow, Isabella. More kind of Pats Receivers. More of the quick change of direction types. Here's an evaluation of Brown. thedraftnetwork.com/player/aj-brown Renfrow is ok but he has no speed. I want a guy like gordon and a guy like Edelman. I want deebo in this draft. The good news is, Renfrow's strength, of uncovering quickly and catching the football, is NE's bread and butter.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 6:25:16 GMT -5
Saw a stat this morning, where Deionte Thompson missed 14 tackles in 2018, and Jonathan Abram missed 11.
Yikes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 7:38:02 GMT -5
So far on my UFA list I have. TE Donald Parham WR Nsimba Webster LB Emeke Egbule OT Donnell Greene Subject to change, since they might get Drafted, but I'm projecting they wont. * added * CB Chris Westry.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 7:43:42 GMT -5
So far on my UFA list I have. TE Donald Parham WR Nsimba Webster LB Emeke Egbule OT Donnell Greene Subject to change, since they might get Drafted, but I'm projecting they wont. Good stuff! Yeah, the UDFA part of this draft could certainly produce a player or 2 for the Patriots. This class is deep, and they’ve done extremely well finding UDFA gems over the years. I like Nsimba Webster quite a bit.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 8:02:56 GMT -5
Sheldrick Redwine S/CB Miami is player that I've definitely slept on during this draft cycle, but in reviewing his tape, he looks like a fantastic potential fit in NE's secondary.
-Explosive athlete (4.44 40 / 39" VJ / 130" BJ) -Good size and length (6-0 198 / 31 3/4" arms / 9 3/8" hands) with a solid lower half -Plays fast and physical -Very good, reliable tackler -Strong man coverage ability -Versatile, with experience at both CB and S, in multiple alignments -Could/should be a ST coverage stud -Plays with a little bit of that old school "U" swagger
Overall, I think he'd be a terrific target in Rd 3-4, and with BB, he might even sneak into Rd 2, haha. I think his floor is as a very good ST cover guy, but definitely has starter potential due to his combo of size/speed/instincts/versatility/physicality and tackling ability. Really like this player.
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Post by teegee on Apr 14, 2019 8:03:19 GMT -5
Saw a stat this morning, where Deionte Thompson missed 14 tackles in 2018, and Jonathan Abram missed 11. Yikes. Could Dawson possibly play safety?
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 8:07:27 GMT -5
Sheldrick Redwine S/CB Miami is player that I've definitely slept on during this draft cycle, but in reviewing his tape, he looks like a fantastic potential fit in NE's secondary. -Explosive athlete (4.44 40 / 39" VJ / 130" BJ) -Good size and length (6-0 198 / 31 3/4" arms / 9 3/8" hands) with a solid lower half -Plays fast and physical -Very good, reliable tackler -Strong man coverage ability -Versatile, with experience at both CB and S, in multiple alignments -Could/should be a ST coverage stud -Plays with a little bit of that old school "U" swagger Overall, I think he'd be a terrific target in Rd 3-4, and with BB, he might even sneak into Rd 2, haha. I think his floor is as a very good ST cover guy, but definitely has starter potential due to his combo of size/speed/instincts/versatility/physicality and tackling ability. Really like this player. Good stuff, Man. I enjoyed watching him play the past couple of seasons when I caught Miami games. I didn't realize his workout numbers were that strong. I wonder why he hasn't been rated higher? Man, the more we get into this safety class...wow. Plenty of good options for the Patriots at Safety this year. Gotta love that.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 8:19:35 GMT -5
Saw a stat this morning, where Deionte Thompson missed 14 tackles in 2018, and Jonathan Abram missed 11. Yikes. Could Dawson possibly play safety? Yes, I think he could function in a Harmon like role, as a two-high safety, and also play down in the box, and as a nickel, etc.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 8:20:40 GMT -5
Sheldrick Redwine S/CB Miami is player that I've definitely slept on during this draft cycle, but in reviewing his tape, he looks like a fantastic potential fit in NE's secondary. -Explosive athlete (4.44 40 / 39" VJ / 130" BJ) -Good size and length (6-0 198 / 31 3/4" arms / 9 3/8" hands) with a solid lower half -Plays fast and physical -Very good, reliable tackler -Strong man coverage ability -Versatile, with experience at both CB and S, in multiple alignments -Could/should be a ST coverage stud -Plays with a little bit of that old school "U" swagger Overall, I think he'd be a terrific target in Rd 3-4, and with BB, he might even sneak into Rd 2, haha. I think his floor is as a very good ST cover guy, but definitely has starter potential due to his combo of size/speed/instincts/versatility/physicality and tackling ability. Really like this player. Good stuff, Man. I enjoyed watching him play the past couple of seasons when I caught Miami games. I didn't realize his workout numbers were that strong. I wonder why he hasn't been rated higher? Man, the more we get into this safety class...wow. Plenty of good options for the Patriots at Safety this year. Gotta love that. Thanks, man. And, I didn't either... not sure I missed it during the Combine, haha.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 8:21:03 GMT -5
Something to think about James Williams 3 fumbles in 525 touches. Bruce Anderson 26.2 Return yards on 52 KO's. It's a close call between these two.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 8:25:01 GMT -5
Something to think about James Williams 3 fumbles in 525 touches. Bruce Anderson 26.2 Return yards on 52 KO's. It's a close call between these two. Both would be solid options later on day 3, or as UDFA's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 8:25:38 GMT -5
Would not shock me if we Draft Williams in the 4th. I don't think he makes it to Day 3. That's where Anderson comes in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 8:29:23 GMT -5
Told you I'm getting old 4th is Day 3, I think. Anyway, I think Williams is gone in the 4th. Wont make it to the 5th.
By, the way this year finally get to see Friday Nights Draft. Took it off. Next year, should be retired, get to see whole thing.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 8:30:48 GMT -5
Would not shock me if we Draft Williams in the 4th. I don't think he makes it to Day 3. That's where Anderson comes in. Rd 4 is day 3. Really tough player, productive player, but he size (5-9 197) isn't ideal. If they selected him in Rd 4, I'd have no problem with it.
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