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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 8:37:55 GMT -5
Told you I'm getting old 4th is Day 3, I think. Anyway, I think Williams is gone in the 4th. Wont make it to the 5th. By, the way this year finally get to see Friday Nights Draft. Took it off. Next year, should be retired, get to see whole thing. Nice, man! I wish they'd go back to the old Sat/Sun format... that was the best.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 8:51:49 GMT -5
Maine TE Drew Belcher ran a 6.65 3 cone time. This at 6'3" 250 lbs.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 8:53:35 GMT -5
Would not shock me if we Draft Williams in the 4th. I don't think he makes it to Day 3. That's where Anderson comes in. I’d be pumped wherever Williams gets selected if he goes to NE. He’s been a great Coug. I’m really rooting for him at the NFL level, and I think NE is the best possible fit for him to maximize that skill set as a receiving RB. That said, I think he will probably be available 6th Rnd due to size. Hoping Belichick gets him one way or another.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 8:54:44 GMT -5
Maine TE Drew Belcher ran a 6.65 3 cone time. This at 6'3" 250 lbs. Huh. Pretty nice 3 come for a 250 lb player. I’ll have to check him out. It wouldn’t be our first Maine TE...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 9:03:31 GMT -5
This is a copy cat league, they see the value of White, and I see Williams gone earlier then we might think. Especially, a kid that has great ball security. These kind of players are QB saviors. Plus, stat helpers. 3rd down, great players in the clutch, never have enough on a football team.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 9:08:07 GMT -5
This is a copy cat league, they see the value of White, and I see Williams gone earlier then we might think. Especially, a kid that has great ball security. Maybe. I’m a huge WSU Fan, and therefore a huge Williams Fan, so I hope you’re right. We’ll soon see.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 9:09:33 GMT -5
Maine TE Drew Belcher ran a 6.65 3 cone time. This at 6'3" 250 lbs. Good find! Looks like a local boy too, from Reading, MA. 46-357-1 this past season. And I wonder if he wore #12 for a reason?! On tape, those quicks/movement skills definitely... and I really like his ball skills. He also really get's after it as a blocker, and a plays a tough, physical brand of football! Long-speed is nothing special.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 9:18:14 GMT -5
Made a bunch of updates to my draft board... Added a bunch more data(added a few more symbols, more production scores, PFF scores, etc), removed some players, adjusted rankings. As always my rankings are based on the film, their production scores(which is compared to their position peers from data going back to the 1960's in some cases), players age, their SPARQ scores, their relative athlete scores, AND adjusting all players that played at a lower level downward slightly unless they were other worldly. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nJ2x3tba2ZwO-w1LtS6LUKtUw6aubEBwmHH0wRCIdMU/edit?usp=sharingWill continue to update...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 9:35:36 GMT -5
Maine TE Drew Belcher ran a 6.65 3 cone time. This at 6'3" 250 lbs. Good find! Looks like a local boy too, from Reading, MA. 46-357-1 this past season. And I wonder if he wore #12 for a reason?! On tape, those quicks/movement skills definitely... and I really like his ball skills. He also really get's after it as a blocker, and a plays a tough, physical brand of football! Long-speed is nothing special. You know, that #12 was for a reason. Yeah, like him too. Thanks for finding something on him.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 9:38:42 GMT -5
JJ AWs agilities (can't remember if people knew them or not)
SS: 4.41 3C: 7.23
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 9:42:20 GMT -5
JJ AWs agilities (can't remember if people knew them or not) SS: 4.41 3C: 7.23 Ouch... those are pretty, ahh, not good. Where'd you find them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 9:47:22 GMT -5
Thanks Low, because of your chart I'm putting another on my UDFA list. Kentucky CB Chris Westry. I took off the other CB, from Kentucky off everything Lonnie Johnson. Poor tackler. Watching one made me watch the other.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 9:48:20 GMT -5
JJ AWs agilities (can't remember if people knew them or not) SS: 4.41 3C: 7.23 Ouch... those are pretty, ahh, not good. Where'd you find them?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 9:50:27 GMT -5
Ouch... those are pretty, ahh, not good. Where'd you find them? Yikes... WTF.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 9:55:22 GMT -5
Doing a bunch of work on the WR's and history it becomes so clear why the Patriots were willing to over pay for Humphries
People are over estimating this class I think... but I think we do this every year. We are all about hope and improving our favorite teams.
There are few prospects that look good on film, tested out as an elite athlete, had outstanding production on the field including a large market share of the the offenses touches, AND did it against a high level of competition.
Looking back through the draft classes at the WR's names that many thought so highly of or hopeful for that ended up anywhere from eh for a few years to complete trash brings you back to earth quickly.
Also makes sense that the Pats had both AJ Brown and Deebo Samuel in. Two of the few WRs that meet most of the criteria across the board with fewest questions.
Me personally I still really like Morgan as a mid round pick on Day 3. At worst he seems like David Givens. Don't know what his ceiling can be but certainly seems to have a very high floor. Knowing the Pats they will probably do their typical swing for the fences thing considering they have so many picks but with the projections from college WR to the NFL being a total crap shoot past the elites just take some most likely "solid" options please.
...certainly an abundance of "potential" and hope in this WR class!
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Post by patslifer on Apr 14, 2019 10:06:19 GMT -5
Doing a bunch of work on the WR's and history it becomes so clear why the Patriots were willing to over pay for Humphries People are over estimating this class I think... but I think we do this every year. We are all about hope and improving our favorite teams. There are few prospects that look good on film, tested out as an elite athlete, had outstanding production on the field including a large market share of the the offenses touches, AND did it against a high level of competition. Looking back through the draft classes at the WR's names that many thought so highly of or hopeful for that ended up anywhere from eh for a few years to complete trash brings you back to earth quickly. Also makes sense that the Pats had both AJ Brown and Deebo Samuel in. Two of the few WRs that meet most of the criteria across the board with fewest questions. Me personally I still really like Morgan as a mid round pick on Day 3. At worst he seems like David Givens. Don't know what his ceiling can be but certainly seems to have a very high floor. Knowing the Pats they will probably do their typical swing for the fences thing considering they have so many picks but with the projections from college WR to the NFL being a total crap shoot past the elites just take some most likely "solid" options please. I think Samuel and Morgan would be two great selections for the Pats. Samuel has the goods to develop into a play making weapon. I have no idea about Morgan but he strikes me similar to what they were hoping that Mitchell could provide.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 10:10:24 GMT -5
Doing a bunch of work on the WR's and history it becomes so clear why the Patriots were willing to over pay for Humphries People are over estimating this class I think... but I think we do this every year. We are all about hope and improving our favorite teams. There are few prospects that look good on film, tested out as an elite athlete, had outstanding production on the field including a large market share of the the offenses touches, AND did it against a high level of competition. Looking back through the draft classes at the WR's names that many thought so highly of or hopeful for that ended up anywhere from eh for a few years to complete trash brings you back to earth quickly. Also makes sense that the Pats had both AJ Brown and Deebo Samuel in. Two of the few WRs that meet most of the criteria across the board with fewest questions. Me personally I still really like Morgan as a mid round pick on Day 3. At worst he seems like David Givens. Don't know what his ceiling can be but certainly seems to have a very high floor. Knowing the Pats they will probably do their typical swing for the fences thing considering they have so many picks but with the projections from college WR to the NFL being a total crap shoot past the elites just take some most likely "solid" options please. I think Samuel and Morgan would be two great selections for the Pats. Samuel has the goods to develop into a play making weapon. I have no idea about Morgan but he strikes me similar to what they were hoping that Mitchell could provide. Yeah they have 4 7ths at the moment. Use one of those on one of the elite phenom athletes like Jeff Smith or someone then instead of early.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 12:22:39 GMT -5
Anyone taken a look at either Anthony Ratliff-Williams or Jamal Custis?
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 13:16:02 GMT -5
Ouch... those are pretty, ahh, not good. Where'd you find them? Wow. I hadn't seen those either. Very disappointing.
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Post by fisher on Apr 14, 2019 13:49:05 GMT -5
Wow. I hadn't seen those either. Very disappointing. I wonder based on this opinion, how is he rated so high by the supposed experts... Just curious
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Post by digger0862 on Apr 14, 2019 14:07:30 GMT -5
Maine TE Drew Belcher ran a 6.65 3 cone time. This at 6'3" 250 lbs.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 14:20:17 GMT -5
Wow. I hadn't seen those either. Very disappointing. I wonder based on this opinion, how is he rated so high by the supposed experts... Just curious His tape is really good. He makes tough contested catches and he’s a big target in the red zone
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 14:45:45 GMT -5
For the fun of it I tried to put together some comps for some of the popular WRs: Tried to stay reasonably close to size/testing/and college production.
N'Keal Harry -> Dez Bryant
Deebo Samuel - > Golden Tate
Andy Isabella -> Tyler Lockett
Jakobi Meyers -> Mohammed Sanu
Stanley Morgan Jr. -> Anthony Miller/Victor Cruz
JJ AW -> Kenny Golladay
Mecole Hardman -> Eddie Royal/Randall Cobb
Miles Boykin -> Chris Conley/ Robert Meachem
Hunter Renfrow -> Jeremy Kerley
Kelvin Harmon -> Mike Williams(SD)
AJ Brown -> Dwayne Bowe
Parris Campbell -> Santana Moss
Keesean Johnson -> Willie Snead/Jarvis Landry
David Sills -> Steve Johnson/Brian Hartline
Damarkus Lodge -> Allen Hurns
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 14:59:51 GMT -5
...and again, the same fun exercise for the TE's:
Noah Fant -> George Kittle
TJ Hockenson -> Ian Thomas/Austin Hooper
Irv Smith Jr -> Eric Ebron
Jace Sternberger -> Charles Clay
Drew Sample -> Garrett Celek
Foster Moreau -> Luke Wilson/Rob Housler
Josh Oliver -> Jared Cook
Caleb Wilson -> Julius Thomas
Trevon Wesco -> Dwayne Allen
kahale Warring -> Austin Seferian-Jenkins
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 14, 2019 15:03:07 GMT -5
Wow. I hadn't seen those either. Very disappointing. What’s disappointing? People get worked up over cone times. I wanna see the tape.
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