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Post by Wozzy on May 12, 2024 12:17:51 GMT -5
you’re so incredibly obsessed with height and weight measurables that don’t translate to real football on the field or the role a WR will play or their skill set in general, which greatly separates the type of player they are. This is your hill you’re gonna die on? Because there are plenty of WRs that had the same size and speed as Harry that didn’t suck like him, why didn’t Harry become good? What about guys sized likes Edelman? Why aren’t all them in the NFL playing like him? Because that shit doesn’t matter once you’re in the field! Just because they look the same and run the same 40 doesn’t mean shit once the game is being played. Until science no longer matters I’ll be focused on measurables. And nobody said it guarantees success, but a lack of athleticism guarantees failure almost always. Edelman was a uniquely gifted athlete in terms of agility, his agility drills were supremely good… that’s what made him dangerous. Either WR they drafted could succeed or fail… they’re twins athletically.
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Post by Wozzy on May 12, 2024 10:45:40 GMT -5
well, they are…just like Wallace. Yes Wallace is more of a project due to moving into the starting role of LT, but it’s not a wholesale change like you’re advertising. He has repped there many time in practice, so it’s not gonna be some brand new experience for him. You keep saying Polk and Baker are the same type of receivers and they’re not, the thing the have the most in common is they’re great at getting through physical contact, catching the ball and making contested catches. Otherwise they are very complementary to each other based on their difference in how they play on the field. I definitely not happy BB is gone, but I also know he wasn’t gonna give up the decision making on who to draft and the roster control and only be a HC. Wallace is a lesser athlete in every way to these other two, smaller, weaker, poor agility… he is a longshot to start at either tackle spot never mind the left side. Polk and Baker are the same exact height, size, speed and explosion… they could be twin brothers.
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Post by Wozzy on May 12, 2024 10:32:29 GMT -5
Caedan Wallace can bench 400lbs, I don’t need to provide the link. You seem like a smart dude, you could do a little more research instead of just making assumptions. These guys work out all day every day, scouts know exactly what they can and can’t do in the weight room. Combine isn’t gonna tell you much of anything else. Not to mention if you’re not getting your technique right it really doesn’t matter what weight or reps you can do on bench. You also left out hand size, which Wallace has the biggest hands, Suamataia very close and Paul has much smaller hands. Hand size is important at OL, but guess that doesn’t help your cause there. A strong guy isn’t afraid to lift at the combine or pro day, they skip that drill because it will be a reason they slip down the draft. Second hand accounts of how much he lifts isn’t the same as watching him lift.
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Post by Wozzy on May 12, 2024 10:29:46 GMT -5
dude, you do this ALL OF THE TIME! He never said Wallace wasn’t a project, and I think it’s obvious that Wallace is a project moving him over to LT. doesn’t really need to be stated…So, he used Suamataia and Paul as examples because people, like yourself, have stated it as fact that it was a mistake to miss out on one of those guys as if they were a lock to be a good to great starting LT for years to come for us. For everyone screaming we shouldn’t have got Polk and should have gotten a LT, if we actually did that, there would be people screaming they don’t like that LT and we should have gotten a WR. You’re not right or wrong, you jus think your opinion is correct and these kids haven’t even played. No, he started off his post by knocking those two as “projects” and the went on to highlight Wallace’s college resume as if he isn’t. Every rookie has warts and needs to work on weaknesses… they’re all projects. Polk is a project. They missed out on a starting left tackle in the 2nd to take a WR who isn’t different than the WR they took in the 4th. There aren’t posters hoping Wolf/Mayo will fail, there are posters excusing mistakes because they’re just happy BB is gone and the new regime is taking “weapons.”
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Post by Wozzy on May 12, 2024 10:12:33 GMT -5
No one is beyond reproach. Everyone should own up to their mistakes. People in position of power should be criticized and held accountable. It’s not “hoping Wolf/Mayo will fail” to point out what we as fans perceive to be errors. Patrick Paul6-8 331 5.13 forty 29.0 vertical 30 bench 7.65 cone 4.71 shuttle 86 ¼ wingspan 36 ¼ arms Kingsley Suamataia6-5 332 5.04 forty 28.0 vertical 31 bench 0.00 cone 0.00 shuttle 82 1/8 wingspan 34 1/4 arms Caedan Wallace6-5 314 5.15 forty 31.0 vertical No bench 7.73 cone 4.96 shuttle 82 5/8 wingspan 34 arms Not even sure Wallace is a tackle, if he struggles they'll have to move him inside. Look at the ^ wingspan, size and strength disparity. His mobility isn't good. His vertical (explosion) is good and his forty is good... beyond that he didn't bench which is problematic. If he's weak, he'll be a bench player this season. This seems like they realized they screwed up after a massive run on tackles and desperately took a guy.
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Post by Wozzy on May 12, 2024 9:56:01 GMT -5
to sit here and say Suamataia or Paul are, or will be better than Wallace, is foolish. Suamataia and Paul are both projects. there is zero doubt about that. they may go on to have pro bowl careers. they may have the perfect coach and offensive system that will allow them to flourish. Wallace may struggle. but it could also be the complete opposite and Wallace is the player who is great. it's an inexact science. we saw Wynn and Strange with 1st round pedigree be the poster boys for average. we saw Onwenu turn into a stud. we saw Stephen Neal go from the wrestling mat to a SB starting OG. one thing the Pats did completely different this draft is trust their scouting reports. and they hired coaches that can and will coach these players up (we hope). definitively stating one project player is better than another project player is simply a guess. Suamataia and Paul are both projects… but Caedan Wallace isn’t… explain how that works?
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Post by Wozzy on May 11, 2024 21:47:43 GMT -5
I think some people want Wolf/Mayo to fail. I've been one of the most positive posters here in terms of projecting win totals for this season and complimenting the collaboration station on bringing back the best free agents the Pats had to sign. I think this is a good team health provided... they still fcked up the left tackle position and could have done better at that one position. A missing left tackle is not going to submarine the entire season, they can cover up any weakness there by providing blocking help. I slammed BB for his mistakes... Mayo and Wolf don't get handled with kid's gloves just because they're new at their jobs. This is the NFL, professional football... nobody is allowed to suck at their job.
Suggesting we as fans should just shut our mouth and eat a sht sandwich is a great way to end up back as the league doormat.
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Post by Wozzy on May 11, 2024 21:40:23 GMT -5
Are you saying the Grier/Mcdaniel combo is among the MOST successful? And, by the way Wozzy, you saying, as you have posted recently, that ‘you’ had Patrick Paul rated higher that other doesn’t make you right either……. No, I said the KC combo was among the most successful. I also think Miami probably knows a hell of a lot more than ESPN or CBS... me too for that matter and I'm not alone in thinking the Pats should have gone LT there. Any draft prospect can fail, I gave two guys the Pats should have taken in the 2nd instead... whichever LT they had a stronger conviction about. Reports say they wanted the WR the Bills took, who also isn't very impressive, so they clearly were going WR in the 2nd regardless... which again I think is a dumb process. You play the board as it lays, you make up your mind depending on which players came off the board already... you don't make up your mind weeks in advance that it's WR in the 2nd round or bust. Time will tell who was correct... I hope I'm wrong and Caeden Wallace is a modern day Matt Light and can start at LT... I doubt it.
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Post by Wozzy on May 11, 2024 8:40:13 GMT -5
and brett veach.. cause neither mcdaniels or reid are their teams gms Many coaches work hand and hand with the GM to fill out their rosters. And suggesting CBS or ESPN talking heads are better than one of the most successful GM’s in the NFL in Veach is a laugh riot. A degree in broadcast communication and faking a big board every year around the draft doesn’t make someone an expert.
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Post by Wozzy on May 10, 2024 22:16:51 GMT -5
MB inspired me to clarify my draft thoughts, so here they are. Sorry MB if I'm stepping on your toes by glomming onto your thread.
Why I think this offseason in general has been a positive one for the collaboration station, beyond bringing back all their priority free agents on pretty reasonable deals, this draft brought potentially the QB of the future. Also because the other guy’s they drafted, even if there isn’t a “great” talent amongst them… at least they found a lot of “good” talent. And one thing time and results have shown is a merely “good” athlete, if he has football intelligence and drive can make himself into a “great” player… the same way a “great” athlete without these things can fail miserably.
“Draft prospect,” the definition is in the name. Saying someone is a great athlete/prospect is not the same as saying they’re a great NFL player… far from it. But it is saying this person has the athleticism to be great, or at least good depending on intangibles. You can’t predict if a person with the necessary tools to do the job will be able to, but you can predict the failure of those without the tools pretty accurately.
Occasionally a player slips past the evaluation process, often guys who are on the cusp of “good” measurables in many categories but who are just really smart technically sound players… sometimes they slip through, but it’s rare. Past misses by me were Malcolm Butler and Kyle Van Noy, not bad athletes… borderline good at everything, smart and had heart.
Rnd Player Pick Pos College/Univ Ht. Wt. Frty Vert Bch Brd Cone Shtl
1 Drake Maye 3 QB North Carolina 6-4 223 0.00 00.0 00 000 0.00 0.00
He’s only 21 years old, so he may even grow an inch before it’s all said and done. He’s young, but what I saw in game film was a kid on a bad team, with bad coaching, bad blocking… and one good receiver who missed half of last season. I saw a kid carrying an entire school on his back and making something out of nothing. He’s big, strong, can run and stayed at a school when the transfer portal would have let him play for a national contender but he stuck to his commitment… which counts for something.
2 Ja'Lynn Polk 37 WR Washington 6-1 203 4.52 37.5 129
Similar size and speed to Kendrick Bourne or Devante Adams. Didn’t run agility drills but looked pretty quick on film and was productive in college. It’s hard to judge WR’s with limited work outs, it’s hard to judge them with complete workouts. How do you measure fight, smarts, hands? You can’t. WR’s have the highest offensive failure rate in the draft. If there were a way to measure intangibles this would be easy. Could be Bourne, could be Adams, could be bust.
3 Caedan Wallace 68 OT Penn St. 6-5 313 5.15 31.0 116 7.73 4.96 34 Arms 82 5/8 Wing
The one thing I’ll say about the collaboration station is that all of their rookie O-Linemen and even the UDFA’s I commented on have long arms and wide wingspans… judging from the free agents brought in the past two years, they are clearly obsessed with it. Which is great when paired with athleticism and strength. When you have neither of these things and just long arms, you have Vederian Lowe, a bad athlete who has to reach.
Wallace is pretty fast and explosive for his size, which isn’t big for a 6’5” tackle… it’s light. He didn’t bench at either the combine or pro day, which makes me skeptical. A strong player wants to show it off. His agility drills were crap, which is also a running theme with these offensive tackles they brought in. I guess they think outside zone scheme won’t call for much pulling or kicking out, it will be all staright ahead zone and downfield blocking. I’d prefer to have agile linemen as well as fast ones, weakness anywhere is not ideal and better agility is simply that… better. Maybe he is stronger than I know, maybe he’s an exceptional technician as well and can play above any limitations at left tackle… be a modern day Matt Light… I just doubt it. Maybe right tackle, and he may never be great at either side.
They should have drafted one of the monster LT’s left on the board when they made the Polk pick.
4 Layden Robinson 103 OG Texas A&M 6-4 302 5.09 26.5 111 7.75 4.75 34 5/8 Arms 81 ½ Wing
Also a guy with long arms and wingspan, also a guy who’s fast but at 302 pounds you expect him to be faster than the 330 pound monsters. He also had a good not great shuttle so he has some mobility. He didn’t bench… again why, a strong guy wants to show it off and both of these drafted lineman don’t weigh nearly enough for their respective positions. And again, maybe he’s really really strong and for some reason didn’t want to bench, maybe he’s a really great technician and can be a good undersized guard at this next level… a Josh Kline… I doubt it. Both of these lineman in year’s past were typical athletes they would have taken from the 5th round on… projects.
4 Javon Baker 110 WR Central Florida 6-1 202 4.54 37.0 121
Similar size and speed to Kendrick Bourne or Devante Adams. Didn’t run agility drills but looked pretty quick on film and was productive in college. It’s hard to judge WR’s with limited work outs, it’s hard to judge them with complete workouts. How do you measure fight, smarts, hands? You can’t. WR’s have the highest offensive failure rate in the draft. If there were a way to measure intangibles this would be easy. Could be Bourne, could be Adams, could be bust. This is exactly what I wrote about Polk, look at their measurables… they could be brothers.
6 Marcellas Dial 180 DB South Carolina 6-0 190 4.46 40.5 16 129 7.29 4.42
If Dial had exceptional agility drills, I’d say he was a lock to make the roster and will be a solid NFL contributor. He doesn’t, but he only ran them once at his pro day so you have to leave room for the possibility with another shot and more time to prepare he could improve on those mobility drills. I’ve seen often in the past players workout at the combine, put up an average measurable, then go to their pro day and substantially improve upon it. He’s got everything else, good size, speed, explosion and strength… he also put up some great passes defended at S. Carolina and that’s in the SEC. Film on this guy makes him look like a really solid edge defender who uses his inline speed and the sideline well, if he has agility weaknesses, he works around it. I’m at least intrigued by his tools.
6 Joe Milton 193 QB Tennessee 6-5 235 4.63 35.0 00 121 0.00 0.00
Big, strong, good speed, his Milton's last two seasons as a passer in college reminds me of Jacoby Brissett. Brissett is also a big guy, he ran a clean operation, safe, he didn't turn the ball over very often... which is what 24 year old Milton looked like by the end of his college career. Solid, but not overly explosive downfield. Milton lost reps at Michigan to Cade McNamara and lost his job at Tennessee to a lesser athlete in Hendon Hooker, who was a better passer. He has some tools, and I liked the pick late in the draft, but I'd pump the brakes on those suggesting he's a better prospect than Maye. Last season people heralded 6 foot tall Malik Cunningham's arrival as the next coming of Lamar Jackson... shiny new toy syndrome.
7 Jaheim Bell 231 FB Florida St. 6-2 241 4.61 35.0 00 124 0.00 0.00
Looks like an interesting H-Back/Fullback type prospect, has good not great speed for his size, has good production in college both rushing and catching the ball. You don’t see a lot of players play his position in college, my only real questions about him are strength, can he block well and is he agile… can he create separation? If they want to use him like the 49ers use Kyle Juszczyk he has to block well and get open in the flat… that guy has gone to 8 Pro Bowls. We’ll see… it’s hard to tell from a partial workout.
Here are the UDFA prospects:
UDFA Azizi Hearn -- CB UCLA 6-1 206 4.48 37.5 18 127 6.92 4.23
The first UDFA in the group is the closest thing I have to an UDFA binkie. Why Hearn? First the guy is big and has good length, every single one of his measurables is good and his three cone is great for his size… at 206 pounds he has great mobility. Just judging from his college career, he moved around a lot before finally settling for his hometown UCLA team. Even though he didn’t light the world on fire stat-wise he did shine that last season in passes defensed. He’s a guy who could have a better pro career than a college career.
UDFA Zuri Henry -- T Texas 6-6 310 5.15 24.5 26 8.27 4.93 33 ¾ Arms 83 ¼ Wings
He’s a lot like Caedan Wallace in that he has the wide wingspan, is pretty fast for an almost too light tackle, but he benched at his pro day and did pretty good. His agility drills also suck though, again maybe they don’t see the benefit in it… which is silly IMO but may work. The Rams have gotten by with not overly offensive lineman who play better as a zone blocking unit, the 49ers are also doing this recently. He has just as good a chance to start at left tackle as Wallace does… and that’s not really a good thing to say about an UDFA in relation to a 3rd rounder.
UDFA Charles Turner -- C LSU 6-4 303 31.0 22 109 7.88 4.62 34 Arms 83 1/4 Wing
Reminds me a lot of Layden Robinson but wasn’t afraid to show how weak he was at his pro day, but has some good traits, especially long arms like all these other guys, great explosion and good agility. The thing that bothers me most about the two UDFA offensive lineman and two guys they drafted… they’re not all that different. None of them are overly large or athletic, they’re kind of small and only have good athleticism. They seem like a couple of them might emerge next year with another year in the strength and conditioning program. I question now whether any of these guys will be good enough to start this season, or if one or two might by default because of injury or because the unit just sucks and they’re all they have. You want great, we got four “good,” pray they are exceptional technicians.
UDFA Dell Pettus -- S Troy 5-11 200 4.51 33.5 18 120 7.00 4.36
Entirely average at every measurable except two strength and cone, he’s got decent strength and mobility. If he’s a better football player than prospect he might be a special team’s contributor somewhere, even if not here.
UDFA Kaleb Ford-Demont -- CB Texas State-San Marcos 5-11 178 4.50 39.5 15 124 6.80 4.12
Similar to Pettus above has good explosion and actually has great agility for a not overly fadt corner. Could become Myles Bryant type if he maximizes his strengths.
UDFA Jett Bush -- LB Texas 6-1 240 4.66 33.0 122 7.15 4.35
Decent speed and mobility, if he is strong he might be a dark horse special teams contributor.
The rest of these UDFA’s are jags, they lack athleticism and I couldn’t be bothered to break them down any further than that.
Jontrey Hunter -- LB Georgia State DeShaun Fenwick -- RB Oregon State John Morgan -- DL Arkansas Jacob Warren -- TE Tennessee Mikey Victor -- CB Alabama State Jay Person -- LB Tenn-Chattanooga
In summation, I left annoyed they hadn’t filled the left tackle position in the draft or in free agency. This was a massive failure on the part of the collaboration station IMO, even if they fill the position with a bandaid like Okorafor or a guy who just get’s by in some rookie. But outside of that, I like this 2023 team and think they could win if they stay healthy, execute well and some of these rookies contribute.
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Post by Wozzy on May 10, 2024 18:29:25 GMT -5
Have to laugh - CBS had a late 3 round grade on Patrick Paul, and ESPN a late 4th round grade, based on those rankings Miami reached badly on Paul Admittedly a different story on Suamataia, CBS had an early / mid 2nd round grade, ESPN had an early/mid 3rd grade on him, so a good pick for KC, this would have been a more reasonable pick by NE in the 2nd round if they had made it….. You trust CBS and ESPN more than Mike McDaniels and Andy Reid... sounds reasonable.
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Post by Wozzy on May 10, 2024 17:12:50 GMT -5
Simple - they do this for a living, have actual experience at this, have access to information that we don't have and judge things from a business perspective - not from an unrealistic, ill informed and emotional pov. Half the league was/is looking for OT and WR help but sure just trade into whatever spot you need to fill your needs - the other teams will certainly put aside their plan and needs to agree...they just had to do it! What's wrong with them? What a load of nonsense. "Team executives do this for a living" is not an excuse for anything. A good percentage of NFL teams are run by morons, idiots... suggesting their job title puts them beyond reproach is ridiculous. This is pretty simple, the Dolphins took Patrick Paul and the Chiefs took Kingsley Suamataia in the second... both of those team desperately needed a left tackle also. If those two players work out and become stud left tackles and Caeden Wallace can't break into the Patriots starting lineup or sucks... then they screwed up. They especially screwed up if Polk doesn't become a stud WR and those two players succeed... they could have grabbed one of those tackles and still came away with Polk.
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Post by Wozzy on May 10, 2024 5:51:33 GMT -5
Zappe got us Maye Mac got us Mayo time to credit both of them Mac had 42 starts, Zappe had 8… Time to wake from your fever dream where Mac is good, misunderstood or it’s somebody’s else’s fault that he sucks.
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Post by Wozzy on May 10, 2024 5:44:38 GMT -5
What kind of world do you live in where you think you’ll get a franchise QB and starting caliber left tackle all in the same draft? There’s 32 other teams selecting as well. Honestly, has it ever happened…a team drafts a franchise QB and then lands a starting left tackle in the same draft? I’m serious, I honestly don’t think it has. Maybe it has? So, do you think they could have…drafted the QB, then the left tackle, then the receiver, then the guard, then the center…and bingo! All fixed? Rebuild over. Because there were at least two starting LT prospects still sitting there in the second round, this even after the Pats already traded down. The Phins and Chiefs took them after the Pats picked. It was dumb. Take the tackle and trade back up the WR or take another one in the third round.
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Post by Wozzy on May 10, 2024 5:40:10 GMT -5
Wozzwald believes Ty Law can still play CB because of his combine scores Versus you who stays suspiciously quiet on draft day and waits two to three years to tell us who is a good guy to draft.
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Post by Wozzy on May 10, 2024 5:38:57 GMT -5
AJ Brown is only 6’1” height isn’t that big of a deal, Polk also had a greater vertical leap than Odunze and has magnetic hands. Measurables at the combine do not translate to the football field most of the time, good or bad or whatever. Talking measurables after the draft is pointless, he’s on the team now. Let’s see what the rookies can do on the field. I wasn’t even making a point about Polk’s height as much as poking fun at DaPatriots for exaggerating and hyping up every draftee into being a guaranteed HOF’er.
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Post by Wozzy on May 9, 2024 21:52:35 GMT -5
Zappe I could see becoming a QB in this league one day, Mac doesn't have the stones for it.
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Post by Wozzy on May 9, 2024 21:27:37 GMT -5
I'm disappointed. I expected Wozzy to inform me that Steve Smith was 5-9 with a 4.4/40 while Polk is 6-2 with a 4.5/40! Lol J/K Wozz At least you're comparing a WR to a WR, not a 7th round fullback to a WR. And Polk is only 6'1"
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Post by Wozzy on May 8, 2024 21:41:09 GMT -5
Not sure if they’ll fulfill your wishes, but I hope you’ll be ok and get over whatever you’re going through! This is a good place to post when you’re sick/dealing with health issues. It takes your mind off things. I spent an entire summer arguing with truechamp recovering from a blood clot and bilateral pulmonary embolism/partially collapsed lung. Arguing with him all summer took my mind off things. Best of luck. Let Drake Maye give you/us something to look forward to next season. Arguing with Truechamp has gotten me close to an embolism, especially after Brady left... and he's a poster Babe once accused me of being the same poster. I give you a hard time, but also agree with you on a whole bunch of other stuff whole heartedly, be sure it's because I love talking football with you all. God bless, go Pats.
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Post by Wozzy on May 8, 2024 18:42:41 GMT -5
He knows... tilting against windmills, old man screaming at a cloud. Why he's upset at the adorable nickname is the bigger mystery, did they hire him for PR purposes? Is the nickname even insulting, I thought collaboration was only a good thing?
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Post by Wozzy on May 8, 2024 17:17:41 GMT -5
How well the so-called "collaborators" did will depend on whether Drake Maye collaborates with the collaborators. I think if they stay really healthy, last year’s rookies continue improvement, they could be pretty good this season… even if Brissett plays every game. If Maye takes the job midseason they could be a lot better.
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Post by Wozzy on May 8, 2024 17:14:02 GMT -5
why is this management team a collaborative but the prior team not? you have been steadfast in that RK and JK have been involved in the draft. isn't that a collaborative? wtf are you going on about? I say the collaboration station did a pretty good job this off-season and you feel the need to defend them from my compliment. Go get some fresh air buddy…
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Post by Wozzy on May 8, 2024 13:12:06 GMT -5
I feel this site is full of old guys (gals) getting older every day, and one day this place will age out with nobody to fill the void. Take care of yourself Belestrator. You play to win the games… the collaboration station only had the offense to fix, specifically find a QB of the future (done), a left tackle (2 B determined) and add some WR depth (done). They have a pretty talented team, the collaborative did a pretty good job this off-season. They brought back all of our best free agents, they brought Brissett who was the perfect bridge QB and who should immediately fix the biggest problem last season at QB, and they even brought some decent rookies to fill in the cracks. Depending on health, the other teams in this division and how well the new coaches do their jobs this should be a competitive team this season. Win now, to hell with the future.. we’re not getting any younger. I am curious what makes you think that Wolf did not listen to all of his staff, including his HC, but then make his own decisions as to who to draft? I am also curious, the prior management team discussing who to draft with Saban, Ferentz, Schiano and Bielema. Is that also collaboration? I’m curious about your line of questioning since I didn’t suggest or say anything at all like that above. I left my comments in the body of this post for that reason. And who mentioned prior management at all? Are you hallucinating, hearing voices, does BB haunt your dreams at night?
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Post by Wozzy on May 8, 2024 10:17:35 GMT -5
I feel this site is full of old guys (gals) getting older every day, and one day this place will age out with nobody to fill the void. Take care of yourself Belestrator.
You play to win the games… the collaboration station only had the offense to fix, specifically find a QB of the future (done), a left tackle (2 B determined) and add some WR depth (done).
They have a pretty talented team, the collaborative did a pretty good job this off-season. They brought back all of our best free agents, they brought Brissett who was the perfect bridge QB and who should immediately fix the biggest problem last season at QB, and they even brought some decent rookies to fill in the cracks.
Depending on health, the other teams in this division and how well the new coaches do their jobs this should be a competitive team this season. Win now, to hell with the future.. we’re not getting any younger.
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Post by Wozzy on May 8, 2024 9:51:11 GMT -5
were MattyP and Joe Judge injured? was Troy Brown? was Klemm, or was he in such diagreement with BOB that he simply up and left, like he did in Pitts? were the cumulative draft choices over the past 5 years unhealthy? was thinking T Brown, I Wynn and R Reiff would play full seasons wise? no one has been more wrong than you over the years. including this last post of yours. sorry #Collaboration
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