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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 5:04:05 GMT -5
The Krafts will keep drafting Mac Jones until they find a winner.
You know why Drake won't get you fired like Hoge said?
Because your ownership making the pick!
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Post by ATJ on Apr 26, 2024 6:15:33 GMT -5
These are the things I would work on with Maye: First quicken the release, he had the slowest release of the QBs. Then improve accuracy, missed lots of easy throws. Everyone knows about the feet. Don't run into pressure. several former QBs have noted Maye's feet/throwing mechanics (needs to shorten his throwing motion). Not sure that it is an "easy" fix or not. I'm in the camp that things like "poor" footwork and throwing motion has been ingrained in muscle memory - and actually is difficult to change. If it can be improved; it'll happen over 2-3 years.
Look at Tebow and Mac Jones. Both worked w/ throwing coaches. No appreciable improvements were had.
Respectfully, Tebow is no one's good example of anything NFL and I really struggle to find any real commonality between him Maye. Mac's issues were largely between his ears. Earlier in this thread I compared Maye to Josh Allen. I truly do believe that is a much better comparison than either Tebow or Mac.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 26, 2024 6:37:05 GMT -5
I absolutely love the pick. Had to be done. He adds hope to the equation and this franchise had no hope without a talented QB. He is very talented. Sure, sit him 7-8 games, maybe 12…but know that you have a talented QB who should improve. It’s not about him now, it’s about him a year from now. He has the upside, he has the toughness. I thought he was maybe the best QB in this draft. Best available pick at #3. I can see him having the longest NFL career, most wins out of all the QBs drafted tonight. Are you representing him?
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 26, 2024 6:49:47 GMT -5
TC will love this
Take it FWIW, but I have a good buddy who’s friends with a guy in the Commanders front office (we live in northern VA, not far from commanders training camp)
Supposedly there was a decent contingent that wanted Maye. Text from him last night: “Wash brought in 4 of the top QB options and took them all to top golf a couple weeks ago. Apparently Daniels agent was bitching about it bc it’s not the usual. While he was whining, Maye was on the tee box hitting moon shots with a driver. Heard he can throw a baseball 100 mph?!? My buddy was just like so there was no point in the whole thing bc clearly Maye was the one and they still took Daniels. Said he’d rather miss of a guy like Maye who has Herbert potential vs Daniels”
Before the cliff jumpers go down my throat, not saying this is why Maye will be better but give me the guy with a rocket arm, prototype size, ability to run, sports family DNA, guy who stepped up on a crap team, is 21, oh, and is a huge competitor/great athlete and not a diva.
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Post by patsfan2007 on Apr 26, 2024 7:05:37 GMT -5
Also watching now the exchange between Payton and BB. Interesting how the two coaches think that Nix is closest to being NFL-ready. Also interesting how BB thinks Maye did not have a lot of playing experience. I found Bill’s entire commentary misleading and a thinly veiled attempt to discredit what the Patriots did (select Maye). I found him contradicting himself. His footwork is bad? Two nights ago Brian Hoyer is on television saying footwork is the easiest thing to correct. Did Belichick make any mention of his line sucking? Or him NOT having a line like Daniels, Maccarthy or Penix? Or receivers like the others? I just found the whole thing strange. Bill's analysis was 100% accurate. It agreed with what I saw on film. Brian Hoyer spends a couple minutes watching Maye and now you believe this near-JAG over the GOAT? That, my friend, is not a credible take.
Look, this was a collaboration pick: meaning that JK and RK got their paws all over it, just like they did with Mac Jones. JK/RK want a personable, marketable "franchise" QB and Maye fits the bill. Maye talks a good game and seems adept at ass kissing.
We'll see if the Pats coaches can correct all the flaws I saw after watching his tape many times.
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Post by patsfan2007 on Apr 26, 2024 7:14:30 GMT -5
TC will love this Take it FWIW, but I have a good buddy who’s friends with a guy in the Commanders front office (we live in northern VA, not far from commanders training camp) Supposedly there was a decent contingent that wanted Maye. Text from him last night: “Wash brought in 4 of the top QB options and took them all to top golf a couple weeks ago. Apparently Daniels agent was bitching about it bc it’s not the usual. While he was whining, Maye was on the tee box hitting moon shots with a driver. Heard he can throw a baseball 100 mph?!? My buddy was just like so there was no point in the whole thing bc clearly Maye was the one and they still took Daniels. Said he’d rather miss of a guy like Maye who has Herbert potential vs Daniels” Before the cliff jumpers go down my throat, not saying this is why Maye will be better but give me the guy with a rocket arm, prototype size, ability to run, sports family DNA, guy who stepped up on a crap team, is 21, oh, and is a huge competitor/great athlete and not a diva. Maye lost his last 2 games in 2023, when his team was fighting for the post season. His last game against NC State was bad.
Maye lost his last 4 games in 2022. Having by far his worst passing games. I want my QB to step up when games matter most.
Look, I know I'm coming across like a disgruntled fan. But I recall what I was saying in 2021 about Mac Jones and this to me looks like an even worse pick that will leave us with 4 years of excuse making.
I hope I'm wrong, for all of our sake.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 7:32:36 GMT -5
TC will love this Take it FWIW, but I have a good buddy who’s friends with a guy in the Commanders front office (we live in northern VA, not far from commanders training camp) Supposedly there was a decent contingent that wanted Maye. Text from him last night: “Wash brought in 4 of the top QB options and took them all to top golf a couple weeks ago. Apparently Daniels agent was bitching about it bc it’s not the usual. While he was whining, Maye was on the tee box hitting moon shots with a driver. Heard he can throw a baseball 100 mph?!? My buddy was just like so there was no point in the whole thing bc clearly Maye was the one and they still took Daniels. Said he’d rather miss of a guy like Maye who has Herbert potential vs Daniels” Before the cliff jumpers go down my throat, not saying this is why Maye will be better but give me the guy with a rocket arm, prototype size, ability to run, sports family DNA, guy who stepped up on a crap team, is 21, oh, and is a huge competitor/great athlete and not a diva. Maye lost his last 2 games in 2023, when his team was fighting for the post season. His last game against NC State was bad.
Maye lost his last 4 games in 2022. Having by far his worst passing games. I want my QB to step up when games matter most.
Look, I know I'm coming across like a disgruntled fan. But I recall what I was saying in 2021 about Mac Jones and this to me looks like an even worse pick that will leave us with 4 years of excuse making.
I hope I'm wrong, for all of our sake.
I had similar reservations about taking Maye. But for what it's worth, there are multiple teams that would have selected Maye, were they in the Patriots position. The conventional wisdom is to take a quarterback over any other position whenever your team is in a complete rebuild. Though OT Joe Alt was the safest pick at a highly valued position, we all know that the only way to establish a team that can contend on a annual basis for years to come is to have an elite quarterback. Here's how one draft analyst rated the New England pick: New England Patriots: A+ Player drafted: QB Drake Maye. Breakdown: Maye was long considered the second quarterback in this year’s class to Caleb Williams. But on draft night, Jayden Daniels officially passed him and went second overall. That said, Maye is a great franchise prospect at the position. He has the prototypical build, the mobility and the arm talent teams look for at the position. Maye has the potential to be the pillar in the post-Bill Belichick era for New England. www.cleveland.com/browns/2024/04/nfl-draft-2024-grading-all-32-teams-after-the-first-round.htmlHere's more: patriotswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/25/grading-patriots-selection-qb-drake-maye/Of course, I bet that similar grades were given when the Jests drafted their last two quarterback hopes - Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold. All we can do is hope that this quarterback prospect pans out - something we never had to worry about when Tom Terrific roamed the Razor. All we can do is to hope for the best, which kind of sucks.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 7:54:20 GMT -5
Hope based drafting by our NE Patriots.
Might as well trade for Trey Lance while we are at it.
Belichick said Maye was the LOWEST RATED PASSER of the top guys.
OMG
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 7:56:25 GMT -5
I found Bill’s entire commentary misleading and a thinly veiled attempt to discredit what the Patriots did (select Maye). I found him contradicting himself. His footwork is bad? Two nights ago Brian Hoyer is on television saying footwork is the easiest thing to correct. Did Belichick make any mention of his line sucking? Or him NOT having a line like Daniels, Maccarthy or Penix? Or receivers like the others? I just found the whole thing strange. Bill's analysis was 100% accurate. It agreed with what I saw on film. Brian Hoyer spends a couple minutes watching Maye and now you believe this near-JAG over the GOAT? That, my friend, is not a credible take.
Look, this was a collaboration pick: meaning that JK and RK got their paws all over it, just like they did with Mac Jones. JK/RK want a personable, marketable "franchise" QB and Maye fits the bill. Maye talks a good game and seems adept at ass kissing.
We'll see if the Pats coaches can correct all the flaws I saw after watching his tape many times.
Good luck. He looks worse than Mac to me. Krafts more interested in sales than wins now. Frauds.
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Post by squishthefish on Apr 26, 2024 8:18:51 GMT -5
Bill's analysis was 100% accurate. It agreed with what I saw on film. Brian Hoyer spends a couple minutes watching Maye and now you believe this near-JAG over the GOAT? That, my friend, is not a credible take.
Look, this was a collaboration pick: meaning that JK and RK got their paws all over it, just like they did with Mac Jones. JK/RK want a personable, marketable "franchise" QB and Maye fits the bill. Maye talks a good game and seems adept at ass kissing.
We'll see if the Pats coaches can correct all the flaws I saw after watching his tape many times.
Good luck. He looks worse than Mac to me. Krafts more interested in sales than wins now. Frauds. Talent wise you can’t compare mac and maye. Maye can make throws with his arm that mac couldn’t make if he had a 50 mph wind behind him. Maye was the top qb I hoped the team would get and my prior posts even into last year confirm that. Let’s hope the coaches coach him up. The first test will be if he spends more time practicing and studying to improve vs partying with Bob and doing a pr tour like Mac.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 26, 2024 9:20:45 GMT -5
Best available pick at #3. I can see him having the longest NFL career, most wins out of all the QBs drafted tonight. Are you representing him? I would have been happy with Daniels, Maye or JJ in that order. Yes, I would be representing any of them 🤣.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 26, 2024 9:28:36 GMT -5
Also watching now the exchange between Payton and BB. Interesting how the two coaches think that Nix is closest to being NFL-ready. Also interesting how BB thinks Maye did not have a lot of playing experience. I found Bill’s entire commentary misleading and a thinly veiled attempt to discredit what the Patriots did (select Maye). I found him contradicting himself. His footwork is bad? Two nights ago Brian Hoyer is on television saying footwork is the easiest thing to correct. Did Belichick make any mention of his line sucking? Or him NOT having a line like Daniels, Maccarthy or Penix? Or receivers like the others? I just found the whole thing strange. Same here. I loved listening to BB. He was the star of the show. But it was obvious as hell that he is bitter about his firing and let it come through. I sat there thinking he must have had a 3rd round grade on him lol.
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Post by backbay on Apr 26, 2024 10:17:36 GMT -5
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Post by backbay on Apr 26, 2024 10:23:27 GMT -5
TC will love this Take it FWIW, but I have a good buddy who’s friends with a guy in the Commanders front office (we live in northern VA, not far from commanders training camp) Supposedly there was a decent contingent that wanted Maye. Text from him last night: “Wash brought in 4 of the top QB options and took them all to top golf a couple weeks ago. Apparently Daniels agent was bitching about it bc it’s not the usual. While he was whining, Maye was on the tee box hitting moon shots with a driver. Heard he can throw a baseball 100 mph?!? My buddy was just like so there was no point in the whole thing bc clearly Maye was the one and they still took Daniels. Said he’d rather miss of a guy like Maye who has Herbert potential vs Daniels” Before the cliff jumpers go down my throat, not saying this is why Maye will be better but give me the guy with a rocket arm, prototype size, ability to run, sports family DNA, guy who stepped up on a crap team, is 21, oh, and is a huge competitor/great athlete and not a diva. hope not...
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 11:20:31 GMT -5
I found Bill’s entire commentary misleading and a thinly veiled attempt to discredit what the Patriots did (select Maye). I found him contradicting himself. His footwork is bad? Two nights ago Brian Hoyer is on television saying footwork is the easiest thing to correct. Did Belichick make any mention of his line sucking? Or him NOT having a line like Daniels, Maccarthy or Penix? Or receivers like the others? I just found the whole thing strange. Same here. I loved listening to BB. He was the star of the show. But it was obvious as hell that he is bitter about his firing and let it come through. I sat there thinking he must have had a 3rd round grade on him lol. Can you really blame Bill after the way Kraft knee-capped him with the Atlanta job, threw him out like a pair of old shoes, took away his power by intervening last year in forcing him to keep MacEnroe Jones, and by naming Mayo as the new head coach in 2025? I've lost a lot of respect for backstabbing Bob Kraft.
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Its Drake!
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 26, 2024 11:25:00 GMT -5
Can we give this kid a chance? Geez. Also McAdoo loved him . I just they put talent around him.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 26, 2024 11:27:30 GMT -5
I was listening to Breer on 98.5 this morning, and he offered some interesting insight to the Maye saga. Said OSU (he's an OSU grad) and Alabama offered a lot of coin to lure Maye away from UNC, but he stayed committed to his program. He also mentioned that when team brass was interviewing him, he didn't place blame for any for the or his team's shortcomings onto anyone else... and that was big with The Collaboration Station.
Whether or not he'll develop and be a good QB is TBD, but he does seem like a better dude off the field than some gave him credit for.
For the record, I have a good buddy from HS, who works at a HS with Drake Maye's former HC, and he's had nothing but positive things to say about Drake Maye.
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Post by salcon on Apr 26, 2024 11:30:39 GMT -5
I couldn't get past how thin and fragile Jayden Daniels looks. I'm happy we didn't take him. I don't know how Maye will eventually turn out but he has the tools.
I wonder what Bill thought of Tom Brady's footwork when he drafted him? Was it already good as a rookie? IDK. Just asking.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 26, 2024 11:32:12 GMT -5
TC will love this Take it FWIW, but I have a good buddy who’s friends with a guy in the Commanders front office (we live in northern VA, not far from commanders training camp) Supposedly there was a decent contingent that wanted Maye. Text from him last night: “Wash brought in 4 of the top QB options and took them all to top golf a couple weeks ago. Apparently Daniels agent was bitching about it bc it’s not the usual. While he was whining, Maye was on the tee box hitting moon shots with a driver. Heard he can throw a baseball 100 mph?!? My buddy was just like so there was no point in the whole thing bc clearly Maye was the one and they still took Daniels. Said he’d rather miss of a guy like Maye who has Herbert potential vs Daniels” Before the cliff jumpers go down my throat, not saying this is why Maye will be better but give me the guy with a rocket arm, prototype size, ability to run, sports family DNA, guy who stepped up on a crap team, is 21, oh, and is a huge competitor/great athlete and not a diva. I was ready to cliff jump after the pick last night, but your post here is giving me hope.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 11:51:44 GMT -5
Can we give this kid a chance? Geez. Also McAdoo loved him . I just they put talent around him. We all know that the Patriots "could" have made a mistake drafting Maye: First off, the Pats just don’t have a supporting cast to help Maye out of the gate. Their top wide receivers right now are Demario Douglas and Kendrick Bourne. They combined to catch 86 passes a season ago. Signing K.J. Osborn is not going to change the dynamics too much. RESPONSE: Yes...the Patriots suck in many ways on offense. But this may be the best chance they'll have to land an elite QB over the next 3 years. Drake Maye is not ready to play out of the gate. He’s not great under pressure, struggles to an extent with mechanics, is not too accurate on intermediate routes and isn’t someone who will get through his progressions soundly. Don’t take our word for that. Check out his scouting report from Lance Zierlein of NFL Media. RESPONSE: I absolutely agree. But, this is why the Patriots signed Jacoby Brissett. Tom Brady and St. Patrick arguably weren't ready to play in their rookie seasons either. How did sitting and watching for a year turn out for them? As noted above, New England received a ton of interest in the No. 3 pick from the Vikings and Giants. Why not trade down from the third selection and add more assets? This team won four games a season ago. It averaged less than 14 points per game. Simply put, the Patriots are not a quarterback away from contention. Build the roster and then focus on the quarterback position. RESPONSE: True. But unless you're made an offer worthy of passing up a top QB prospect, why do it? If the Patriots had traded with Minnesota or the Giants, they still wouldn't have gotten OT Alt, the safest prospect in the draft. Sure, Maye very well be a good quarterback in time. He has loads of talent. But he’s not set up to succeed out of the gate. At the very least, it will be a maturation process. We saw how that worked with Bryce Young and a talent-stricken Carolina Panthers team a season ago. RESPONSE: Bryce Young??? He's a 5'10" quarterback! The Panthers were insane drafting him #1 overall. Does anybody consider Bryce Young to be a better prospect than Maye? If so, those are the same idiots that thought Bryce was a better prospect than CJ Stroud. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patriots-make-mistake-in-drafting-drake-maye/ar-AA1nGa4B?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=15b5ed43e1554947a0d331873d9529eb&ei=11In summation, every one of the 32 teams selecting in the first round may have made a mistake. Only time will tell.
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Post by backbay on Apr 26, 2024 11:58:57 GMT -5
several former QBs have noted Maye's feet/throwing mechanics (needs to shorten his throwing motion). Not sure that it is an "easy" fix or not. I'm in the camp that things like "poor" footwork and throwing motion has been ingrained in muscle memory - and actually is difficult to change. If it can be improved; it'll happen over 2-3 years.
Look at Tebow and Mac Jones. Both worked w/ throwing coaches. No appreciable improvements were had.
Respectfully, Tebow is no one's good example of anything NFL and I really struggle to find any real commonality between him Maye. Mac's issues were largely between his ears. Earlier in this thread I compared Maye to Josh Allen. I truly do believe that is a much better comparison than either Tebow or Mac. The commonality is that all of them need work with throwing mechanics; which start w/ the feet. They all had personal QB coaches who tried to help w/ their respective problems. Tebow didn't show any improvements. Mac Jones still threw a soft ball; and wasn't able to drive the ball w/ velocity when needed. My point was that bad fundamentals may not be fixed or not as easy to fix as one might think.
FWIW, Maye has worked with Clyde Christensen. Obviously, one's coach isn't going to throw a kid under a bus. I don't know anything about throwing mechanics. I'm just hoping that Maye's concerns can be addressed.
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Post by backbay on Apr 26, 2024 12:00:56 GMT -5
I was listening to Breer on 98.5 this morning, and he offered some interesting insight to the Maye saga. Said OSU (he's an OSU grad) and Alabama offered a lot of coin to lure Maye away from UNC, but he stayed committed to his program. He also mentioned that when team brass was interviewing him, he didn't place blame for any for the or his team's shortcomings onto anyone else... and that was big with The Collaboration Station. Whether or not he'll develop and be a good QB is TBD, but he does seem like a better dude off the field than some gave him credit for. For the record, I have a good buddy from HS, who works at a HS with Drake Maye's former HC, and he's had nothing but positive things to say about Drake Maye. I heard Maye could have earned 1-2 million dollars had he gone thru the Transfer Portal.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 26, 2024 12:18:00 GMT -5
Same here. I loved listening to BB. He was the star of the show. But it was obvious as hell that he is bitter about his firing and let it come through. I sat there thinking he must have had a 3rd round grade on him lol. Can you really blame Bill after the way Kraft knee-capped him with the Atlanta job, threw him out like a pair of old shoes, took away his power by intervening last year in forcing him to keep MacEnroe Jones, and by naming Mayo as the new head coach in 2025? I've lost a lot of respect for backstabbing Bob Kraft. That's a whole lotta speculation assumed as fact there.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 26, 2024 12:23:53 GMT -5
I was listening to Breer on 98.5 this morning, and he offered some interesting insight to the Maye saga. Said OSU (he's an OSU grad) and Alabama offered a lot of coin to lure Maye away from UNC, but he stayed committed to his program. He also mentioned that when team brass was interviewing him, he didn't place blame for any for the or his team's shortcomings onto anyone else... and that was big with The Collaboration Station. Whether or not he'll develop and be a good QB is TBD, but he does seem like a better dude off the field than some gave him credit for. For the record, I have a good buddy from HS, who works at a HS with Drake Maye's former HC, and he's had nothing but positive things to say about Drake Maye. That's promising. It's rare to find someone with talent + character + leadership. If he is that, I'm all in. I wasn't convinced with his skill set but I'm warming up to him.
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Its Drake!
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 12:29:03 GMT -5
Can you really blame Bill after the way Kraft knee-capped him with the Atlanta job, threw him out like a pair of old shoes, took away his power by intervening last year in forcing him to keep MacEnroe Jones, and by naming Mayo as the new head coach in 2025? I've lost a lot of respect for backstabbing Bob Kraft. That's a whole lotta speculation assumed as fact there. Negative. Where's the speculation? All these things have been reported. On top of that, you saw how Kraft threw BB under the bus on The Dynasty.
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