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Post by carawaydj on Apr 26, 2024 12:30:45 GMT -5
That's a whole lotta speculation assumed as fact there. Negative. Where's the speculation? All these things have been reported. On top of that, you saw how Kraft threw BB under the bus on The Dynasty. Got it. All reports are hereby deemed factual. If a reporter says it, it is factual.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 26, 2024 12:34:52 GMT -5
I was listening to Breer on 98.5 this morning, and he offered some interesting insight to the Maye saga. Said OSU (he's an OSU grad) and Alabama offered a lot of coin to lure Maye away from UNC, but he stayed committed to his program. He also mentioned that when team brass was interviewing him, he didn't place blame for any for the or his team's shortcomings onto anyone else... and that was big with The Collaboration Station. Whether or not he'll develop and be a good QB is TBD, but he does seem like a better dude off the field than some gave him credit for. For the record, I have a good buddy from HS, who works at a HS with Drake Maye's former HC, and he's had nothing but positive things to say about Drake Maye. That's promising. It's rare to find someone with talent + character + leadership. If he is that, I'm all in. I wasn't convinced with his skill set but I'm warming up to him. Yeah, I'm happy to have a young QB with upside in the pipeline... and am excited to see what he develops into. He definitely wasn't my favorite QB, but it's not like I have Cole Strange energy with this pick. That was a true "what the fvck are they even doing?" moment.
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Post by backbay on Apr 26, 2024 13:09:47 GMT -5
That's promising. It's rare to find someone with talent + character + leadership. If he is that, I'm all in. I wasn't convinced with his skill set but I'm warming up to him. Yeah, I'm happy to have a young QB with upside in the pipeline... and am excited to see what he develops into. He definitely wasn't my favorite QB, but it's not like I have Cole Strange energy with this pick. That was a true "what the fvck are they even doing?" moment. none of us know how it will turn out.....dream.....or bust.
But, Patriots should do whatever they can to help develop the kid and put him in a position to succeed.
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Post by freediro on Apr 26, 2024 13:23:01 GMT -5
seconded, don’t understand the people who truly hate the pick. I understand it wasn’t your preferred option, but some “fans” trying to call bust already are sad Folks here are justifiably worried. The bust rate for young quarterbacks is so high. Let's hope that the Patriots take their time with this kid, and not throw him to the wolves - and find the right people to coach him up. Now that the Maye pick has been made, the next step is to fortify their OL. the bust rate for any NFL player is incredibly high. Would rather fail with Maye than daily with multiple 1st round picks. If we passed up on Maye and he became a Herbert/Allen type and BOTH our 1st round picks wouldn’t work out. That is a way way way worse hypothetical situation
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 13:33:53 GMT -5
Folks here are justifiably worried. The bust rate for young quarterbacks is so high. Let's hope that the Patriots take their time with this kid, and not throw him to the wolves - and find the right people to coach him up. Now that the Maye pick has been made, the next step is to fortify their OL. the bust rate for any NFL player is incredibly high. Would rather fail with Maye than daily with multiple 1st round picks. If we passed up on Maye and he became a Herbert/Allen type and BOTH our 1st round picks wouldn’t work out. That is a way way way worse hypothetical situation That's the thing for me. Fans didn't talk enough about the idea that we could still screw up our haul of picks if we don't get them right. Sure you get more chances at the lottery but I'd rather swing for a lottery ticket that has a much higher ceiling
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Post by ATJ on Apr 26, 2024 13:37:44 GMT -5
That's promising. It's rare to find someone with talent + character + leadership. If he is that, I'm all in. I wasn't convinced with his skill set but I'm warming up to him. Yeah, I'm happy to have a young QB with upside in the pipeline... and am excited to see what he develops into. He definitely wasn't my favorite QB, but it's not like I have Cole Strange energy with this pick. That was a true " what the fvck are they even doing?" moment. Wasn't that complicated. Belichick just got him some Strange.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 26, 2024 14:08:51 GMT -5
I found Bill’s entire commentary misleading and a thinly veiled attempt to discredit what the Patriots did (select Maye). I found him contradicting himself. His footwork is bad? Two nights ago Brian Hoyer is on television saying footwork is the easiest thing to correct. Did Belichick make any mention of his line sucking? Or him NOT having a line like Daniels, Maccarthy or Penix? Or receivers like the others? I just found the whole thing strange. Bill's analysis was 100% accurate. It agreed with what I saw on film. Brian Hoyer spends a couple minutes watching Maye and now you believe this near-JAG over the GOAT? That, my friend, is not a credible take.
Look, this was a collaboration pick: meaning that JK and RK got their paws all over it, just like they did with Mac Jones. JK/RK want a personable, marketable "franchise" QB and Maye fits the bill. Maye talks a good game and seems adept at ass kissing.
We'll see if the Pats coaches can correct all the flaws I saw after watching his tape many times.
His analysis was 100% accurate? Ok, that means we just drafted a very young, big, athletic, talented player, who needs to work on his foot work and played behind a terrible offensive line. That’s number one overall in most years, and a steal at 3.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 26, 2024 14:26:46 GMT -5
Bill's analysis was 100% accurate. It agreed with what I saw on film. Brian Hoyer spends a couple minutes watching Maye and now you believe this near-JAG over the GOAT? That, my friend, is not a credible take.
Look, this was a collaboration pick: meaning that JK and RK got their paws all over it, just like they did with Mac Jones. JK/RK want a personable, marketable "franchise" QB and Maye fits the bill. Maye talks a good game and seems adept at ass kissing.
We'll see if the Pats coaches can correct all the flaws I saw after watching his tape many times.
His analysis was 100% accurate? Ok, that means we just drafted a very young, big, athletic, talented player, who needs to work on his foot work and played behind a terrible offensive line. That’s number one overall in most years, and a steal at 3. Yep. If Maye had played for LSU with that talent, I think he’s the #1 pick in this draft. I feel fortunate that NE got him.
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 26, 2024 14:31:18 GMT -5
I like the pick even more now that BB has panned it! I mean really, BB's last few drafts are all everyone complains about!
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 14:53:11 GMT -5
Negative. Where's the speculation? All these things have been reported. On top of that, you saw how Kraft threw BB under the bus on The Dynasty. Got it. All reports are hereby deemed factual. If a reporter says it, it is factual. We're not talking politics. We're talking sports. Based on your illogical logic, we must disregard everything said that's negative about the sainted Bob Kraft. Got it.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 14:57:20 GMT -5
Folks here are justifiably worried. The bust rate for young quarterbacks is so high. Let's hope that the Patriots take their time with this kid, and not throw him to the wolves - and find the right people to coach him up. Now that the Maye pick has been made, the next step is to fortify their OL. the bust rate for any NFL player is incredibly high. Would rather fail with Maye than daily with multiple 1st round picks. If we passed up on Maye and he became a Herbert/Allen type and BOTH our 1st round picks wouldn’t work out. That is a way way way worse hypothetical situation I too initially was against trying to chase the golden fleece by picking Maye. But the more I thought about it, a team has to try to get that franchise guy...unless some team made them a Godfather offer.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 26, 2024 15:02:41 GMT -5
Got it. All reports are hereby deemed factual. If a reporter says it, it is factual. We're not talking politics. We're talking sports. Based on your illogical logic, we must disregard everything said that's negative about the sainted Bob Kraft. Got it. The report about RK tanking BB's job in Atlanta was nonsensical. It was based on 3rd hand sources and contradicted several other reports. Even the radio guys walked away from it quickly. Bias and intellect can't occupy the same space at the same time. Don't let your bias render you senseless.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 15:09:39 GMT -5
We're not talking politics. We're talking sports. Based on your illogical logic, we must disregard everything said that's negative about the sainted Bob Kraft. Got it. The report about RK tanking BB's job in Atlanta was nonsensical. It was based on 3rd hand sources and contradicted several other reports. Even the radio guys walked away from it quickly. Bias and intellect can't occupy the same space at the same time. Don't let your bias render you senseless. And we know this how? Because you say so...or because some radio guy (Felger or Maz) said so?? Talk about anti-BB bias.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 15:14:03 GMT -5
The report about RK tanking BB's job in Atlanta was nonsensical. It was based on 3rd hand sources and contradicted several other reports. Even the radio guys walked away from it quickly. Bias and intellect can't occupy the same space at the same time. Don't let your bias render you senseless. And we know this how? Because you say so...or because some radio guy (Felger or Maz) said so?? Talk about anti-BB bias. Based on what I've read and seen, Bob Kraft soured on Bill, and blamed the inevitable fall of a dynasty that Bill created and sustained for almost 20 years on him. Bob blamed him for MacEnroe - when the truth of the matter was that MacEnroe was a whiner who didn't have the goods.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 26, 2024 15:16:33 GMT -5
The report about RK tanking BB's job in Atlanta was nonsensical. It was based on 3rd hand sources and contradicted several other reports. Even the radio guys walked away from it quickly. Bias and intellect can't occupy the same space at the same time. Don't let your bias render you senseless. And we know this how? Because you say so...or because some radio guy (Felger or Maz) said so?? Talk about anti-BB bias. Because I have common sense. I'm apparently part of an ever dwindling population of humans able to check their bias at the door and not simply believe something because of want to believe it. Because my sense of smell works and I can smell horse shit. Because 99% of that one article about RK tanking BB's Atlanta chances actually discussed a gazillion reason for why BB didn't get any job…not just Atlanta. Funny being accused of antiBB bias. I was a Knight of Belichick for years. A proud BBBW. It was time.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 26, 2024 15:38:03 GMT -5
These are the things I would work on with Maye: First quicken the release, he had the slowest release of the QBs. Then improve accuracy, missed lots of easy throws. Everyone knows about the feet. Don't run into pressure. several former QBs have noted Maye's feet/throwing mechanics (needs to shorten his throwing motion). Not sure that it is an "easy" fix or not. I'm in the camp that things like "poor" footwork and throwing motion has been ingrained in muscle memory - and actually is difficult to change. If it can be improved; it'll happen over 2-3 years.
Look at Tebow and Mac Jones. Both worked w/ throwing coaches. No appreciable improvements were had.
I believe footwork can be fixed. As far as throwing mechanics are concerned, it's the first time I have read someone raise issue with Maye's. IMO that is something you do not mess with. You're more likely to upset the hand-eye coordination and touch that are crucial to accuracy. You do not change that in a year and come away good. He has already shown ability to throw Ankiel-like wild balls. That will get worse if you mess with his mechanics. IMO, they just have to live with what he has. Teach him to make the most of it. It's the coaching staff's job to put him a position to succeed given what he already has.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 26, 2024 15:39:41 GMT -5
The Krafts will keep drafting Mac Jones until they find a winner. You know why Drake won't get you fired like Hoge said? Because your ownership making the pick! Your survey question is flawed. It's missing the option of them selecting a different QB at P3.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 15:40:47 GMT -5
Maye has the tendency to run when nobody is chasing him.
That is the 1st thing to be fixed.
It may be unfixable.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 15:42:08 GMT -5
The Krafts will keep drafting Mac Jones until they find a winner. You know why Drake won't get you fired like Hoge said? Because your ownership making the pick! Your survey question is flawed. It's missing the option of them selecting a different QB at P3. This isn't my survey!
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Post by jri37 on Apr 26, 2024 15:43:43 GMT -5
NFL QB’s have roughly 2-4 seconds to process a play dependent on protection and design of play. He had issues reading D’s and going through his progression in college. The game does not slow down in the NFL, nor do the coverages get easier to decipher.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 26, 2024 15:45:15 GMT -5
Maye has the tendency to run when nobody is chasing him. That is the 1st thing to be fixed. It may be unfixable. Been saying that footwork is not his worst problem. Processing what's happening on the field - the whole series of seeing, recognizing, deciding and executing - is the hardest thing to learn.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 26, 2024 15:45:43 GMT -5
NFL QB’s have roughly 2-4 seconds to process a play dependent on protection and design of play. He had issues reading D’s and going through his progression in college. The game does not slow down in the NFL, nor do the coverages get get easier to decipher. Amen. I'm scared to death. We need to know ASAP if he can handle it. Start him!
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Post by texaspat on Apr 26, 2024 16:23:41 GMT -5
And we know this how? Because you say so...or because some radio guy (Felger or Maz) said so?? Talk about anti-BB bias. Because I have common sense. I'm apparently part of an ever dwindling population of humans able to check their bias at the door and not simply believe something because of want to believe it. Because my sense of smell works and I can smell horse shit. Because 99% of that one article about RK tanking BB's Atlanta chances actually discussed a gazillion reason for why BB didn't get any job…not just Atlanta. Funny being accused of antiBB bias. I was a Knight of Belichick for years. A proud BBBW. It was time. You have common sense? Why? Because you say so?? I smell BS, and it's coming from Bob Kraft's barn.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 26, 2024 16:38:44 GMT -5
Because I have common sense. I'm apparently part of an ever dwindling population of humans able to check their bias at the door and not simply believe something because of want to believe it. Because my sense of smell works and I can smell horse shit. Because 99% of that one article about RK tanking BB's Atlanta chances actually discussed a gazillion reason for why BB didn't get any job…not just Atlanta. Funny being accused of antiBB bias. I was a Knight of Belichick for years. A proud BBBW. It was time. You have common sense? Why? Because you say so?? I smell BS, and it's coming from Bob Kraft's barn. If we keep this up people will tell us to go get a room. I'm out.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 26, 2024 16:41:34 GMT -5
Also watching now the exchange between Payton and BB. Interesting how the two coaches think that Nix is closest to being NFL-ready. Also interesting how BB thinks Maye did not have a lot of playing experience. I found Bill’s entire commentary misleading and a thinly veiled attempt to discredit what the Patriots did (select Maye). I found him contradicting himself. His footwork is bad? Two nights ago Brian Hoyer is on television saying footwork is the easiest thing to correct. Did Belichick make any mention of his line sucking? Or him NOT having a line like Daniels, Maccarthy or Penix? Or receivers like the others? I just found the whole thing strange. I have previously been posting about the issues that BB pointed out, so I viewed his comments as pretty fair. It's not like he consulted me on what to say on TV. So I am not sure what makes you think his comments were a thinly veiled attempt to discredit the Pats. Also, as for Hoyer's breakdown, I thought the path he took in breaking down the film was led by the Curren, Perry and the producer. I do not think he was the one who selected the plays he broke down. What's a person breaking down going to say if you show him a play where the QB did things perfectly? And Perry mentioned footwork before Hoyer opened his mouth about the play. Perry is a Maye fanboy. So I did not like how Curran let Perry talk first about the first play they showed. IMO, there's more insight to be gained by looking at videos of all the times when the QB failed. You want to know if teh cause his failures have a pattern. I find it hilarious that people on these boards go gungho talking about how great a QB is after just watching his highlight reel on youtube.
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