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Post by tcal2 on Apr 25, 2016 13:19:15 GMT -5
Tom should of hired his own legal team instead of trusting the Players Union who put on a case to protect their own interests.
The whole case was about the Union trying to get power back and never about Air pressure.
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Post by fourjays30 on Apr 25, 2016 13:21:41 GMT -5
Have to agree and I would also blame Kraft for not putting up more of a public fight. I still think those two judges were bought off.
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Post by stinkman on Apr 25, 2016 13:26:40 GMT -5
I thought Kessler would still come out like a pit bull in this one. He took the case for granted. It's not all his fault but he must take some of the blame. The NFLPA can't let him have all the power again. When the CBA ends next time up they have to hold out again just on that. It's all about not going to court and over riding everything Roger says. The man is a sneak but he won.
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Post by patsfaninpa on Apr 25, 2016 13:38:04 GMT -5
Goodell does what his bosses, including R Kraft, tell him to do. I hate him but he's paid to be an ahole and he does his job well. Lie, cheat steal but keep the coffers overflowing. Only recourse is to give them no $$. Unfortunately with season tickets already paid for even an empty stadium won't cause much of a stir.
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Post by seawolf on Apr 25, 2016 13:52:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't have made any difference
This was the NFL vs the Union Tom would have been fighting the same fight The only thing Tom has out side of the Union is a defamation suit
The NFL has deep pockets, Tom Doesn't Maybe his friend Trump helps HM? If he does do it, and does get by a summary dismissal, he has to give the net proceeds back to the players
I dont buy the "He is a celebrity" defense either
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Post by patsfaninpa on Apr 25, 2016 14:15:08 GMT -5
Summary judgement not possible. Too long/boring to explain why but TB's only hope if winning a defamation case would require a full trial. He has the resources, it's whether hecwantsctobexpose not only the league's warts but his own as well. A suit like that would be expensive, time consuming, personally and professionally fraught with danger and very possibly fruitless so it's not something most attorney's would encourage.
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Post by nyc on Apr 25, 2016 14:17:27 GMT -5
Tom has nothing to do with this. It was a power play on part of a group of owners who wanted to bury the Pats. Brady is an icon and burying Brady was a way to sully the Pats indirectly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 14:23:47 GMT -5
Summary judgement not possible. Too long/boring to explain why but TB's only hope if winning a defamation case would require a full trial. He has the resources, it's whether hecwantsctobexpose not only the league's warts but his own as well. A suit like that would be expensive, time consuming, personally and professionally fraught with danger and very possibly fruitless so it's not something most attorney's would encourage. It's good to have you here. You can be our new legal expert not that we have lost zbellino!
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Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2016 14:25:27 GMT -5
Tom has nothing to do with this. It was a power play on part of a group of owners who wanted to bury the Pats. Brady is an icon and burying Brady was a way to sully the Pats indirectly. I like the New York Dolls avatar...you watching Vinyl?
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Post by stinkman on Apr 25, 2016 14:33:26 GMT -5
Summary judgement not possible. Too long/boring to explain why but TB's only hope if winning a defamation case would require a full trial. He has the resources, it's whether hecwantsctobexpose not only the league's warts but his own as well. A suit like that would be expensive, time consuming, personally and professionally fraught with danger and very possibly fruitless so it's not something most attorney's would encourage. It's good to have you here. You can be our new legal expert not that we have lost zbellino! ZBELLINO WAS GOOD WITH THIS STUFF. He always answered everyone's questions. He was cool. He was like the yoda on this board.
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Post by nemo on Apr 25, 2016 14:40:01 GMT -5
Nope. I blame Goodell.
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Post by thetinman on Apr 25, 2016 14:40:22 GMT -5
Summary judgement not possible. Too long/boring to explain why but TB's only hope if winning a defamation case would require a full trial. He has the resources, it's whether hecwantsctobexpose not only the league's warts but his own as well. A suit like that would be expensive, time consuming, personally and professionally fraught with danger and very possibly fruitless so it's not something most attorney's would encourage. I don't think the point was that Tom could win a summary judgment against the League. I believe the general thought process in this has been that Tom's claim cold itself survive a summary judgment motion and allow the claim to proceed to discovery. Belief around here, myself included, is that the discovery materials, and any potential depositions of League employee's, would be rather bad for the League.
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Post by croc on Apr 25, 2016 15:02:52 GMT -5
I thought Kessler would still come out like a pit bull in this one. He took the case for granted. It's not all his fault but he must take some of the blame. The NFLPA can't let him have all the power again. When the CBA ends next time up they have to hold out again just on that. It's all about not going to court and over riding everything Roger says. The man is a sneak but he won. The tribunal didn't let him get a word in edgewise. This is not over, we aren't even at the quarter pole yet. The PA will appeal, likely get an injunction vs a suspension and we continue on our merry way. If Brady wants to take the reigns it's a defamation suit. Until then it's the PA's call.
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Post by prairiemike on Apr 25, 2016 15:12:21 GMT -5
Tom has nothing to do with this. It was a power play on part of a group of owners who wanted to bury the Pats. Brady is an icon and burying Brady was a way to sully the Pats indirectly. Absolutely love the avatar.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 25, 2016 15:39:09 GMT -5
I (of course ) blame Kraft. Kraft could have made a stink early, could have released the real data to counteract Morts BS and a number of things to quell this right away. He just laid there and asked for more. Someone has naked pictures of Bob with a sheep.
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Post by patsfaninpa on Apr 25, 2016 15:52:33 GMT -5
Agree Kraft should have been much more aggressive as soon as he was stabbed in the back the first time. Instead he bent over. Clearly, he values his partners above all others. Time for Jonathan to take over.
As far as the PA getting an injunction-not a given under after an Appeals Court decision like this. The farther up the chain you go the more reluctant judges are to tread on someone else's toes. That being said, Bernan only had an 8% rate of being overturned so who knows. The opinion against him, white very strongly worded, dies make some leaps of faith that were referenced in the dissension by the Chief Justice. That might just open the door to a panel review as a mini en banc to kind of take the Vourt's temperature about whether a full RB banc hearing is warranted.
That's the best we can hope for at this point barring Goodell having an fatal attack and leaving this planet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 15:59:59 GMT -5
Agree Kraft should have been much more aggressive as soon as he was stabbed in the back the first time. Instead he bent over. Clearly, he values his partners above all others. Time for Jonathan to take over. As far as the PA getting an injunction-not a given under after an Appeals Court decision like this. The farther up the chain you go the more reluctant judges are to tread on someone else's toes. That being said, Bernan only had an 8% rate of being overturned so who knows. The opinion against him, white very strongly worded, dies make some leaps of faith that were referenced in the dissension by the Chief Justice. That might just open the door to a panel review as a mini en banc to kind of take the Vourt's temperature about whether a full RB banc hearing is warranted. That's the best we can hope for at this point barring Goodell having an fatal attack and leaving this planet. I think Kraft got read the riot act at the league meetings. Theoretically he could be forced to sell the team. I wouldn't be too eager to dismiss his resolve in the long run. There is evidence that a power struggle is going on the the league right now and he may be consolidating his forces for an eventual showdown. Florio seems to think the Chief Judge forcefully dissenting may bode well for another look at the case. I want to know why Chin seems to be abandoning what one would expect his role to properly be. Something isn't right here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 16:01:11 GMT -5
I (of course ) blame Kraft. Kraft could have made a stink early, could have released the real data to counteract Morts BS and a number of things to quell this right away. He just laid there and asked for more. Someone has naked pictures of Bob with a sheep. I of course blame BB. His arrogance really rubs a bunch of people in the NFL the wrong way.
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Post by donotsleeponthepats on Apr 25, 2016 16:01:24 GMT -5
If Brady files for a rehearing, that puts a stay on the suspension until it's granted or not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 16:02:26 GMT -5
If Brady files for a rehearing, that puts a stay on the suspension until it's granted or not. Not necessarily.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 25, 2016 16:03:10 GMT -5
Agree Kraft should have been much more aggressive as soon as he was stabbed in the back the first time. Instead he bent over. Clearly, he values his partners above all others. Time for Jonathan to take over. As far as the PA getting an injunction-not a given under after an Appeals Court decision like this. The farther up the chain you go the more reluctant judges are to tread on someone else's toes. That being said, Bernan only had an 8% rate of being overturned so who knows. The opinion against him, white very strongly worded, dies make some leaps of faith that were referenced in the dissension by the Chief Justice. That might just open the door to a panel review as a mini en banc to kind of take the Vourt's temperature about whether a full RB banc hearing is warranted. That's the best we can hope for at this point barring Goodell having an fatal attack and leaving this planet. He may value his partners but IMO I think he values the power he wields among the owners more. He is the Chairman of the Broadcast Committee, he is on Management Council Executive Committee, NFL Network Committee, Finance Committee and Compensation Committee. If he had filed a lawsuit he most likely would have lost some of that power. Bottom line he should have filed the lawsuit stepped down as acting owner and put Jonathan in charge. Jonathan is a bulldog and would have gone to the mat for Brady and the fans. IMO RK worries more about his perception nationally than he does locally. My .02 cents.
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Post by donotsleeponthepats on Apr 25, 2016 16:06:22 GMT -5
If Brady files for a rehearing, that puts a stay on the suspension until it's granted or not. Not necessarily. From Mike Florio, First, a request for rehearing (which must be filed if at all within 14 days) operates as an automatic stay of the suspension. It means that Brady, if a petition for rehearing is filed, would have his suspension held in abeyance until, at the earliest, the Second Circuit decides not to conduct a rehearing and, at the latest, until the rehearing is resolved with another ruling against Brady and the NFLPA
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Post by pezz4pats on Apr 25, 2016 16:08:45 GMT -5
Mike McCann just now on EEI said Brady needs to file suit. Said if he's innocent then he almost has an obligation to. Also Shefner just tweeted out Tom Brady not accepting decision and it's far from over. Goooooooooo Tom
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Post by themightypatriots on Apr 25, 2016 16:56:49 GMT -5
Kessler simply isn't an appeals court caliber lawyer. He's alright if it's district court in Minnesota, but not at the appellate level. The NFL hired one of the best Supreme Court lawyers in the country. Too bad the NFLPA didn't fork up the cash for someone of equal caliber.
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Post by tcal2 on Apr 25, 2016 16:58:59 GMT -5
Mike McCann just now on EEI said Brady needs to file suit. Said if he's innocent then he almost has an obligation to. Also Shefner just tweeted out Tom Brady not accepting decision and it's far from over. Goooooooooo Tom Good to hear. Time he takes responsibility for defending his legacy, like I said the NFLPA could give 2 shakes about Brady.
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