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Post by thejuice on Dec 29, 2020 11:10:54 GMT -5
I'd rather he bring in Brissett as the bridge, then draft their next franchise guy. Yeah, Brissett would be an option to consider. At least he can pass. brissett and a drafted guy would be nearly ideal imo. |
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Post by jri37 on Dec 29, 2020 11:11:17 GMT -5
I can't watch Cam another year.
He can't feel pressure, his footwork in the pocket is terrible and his throwing mechanics are awful. Unless he has a clean pocket for 3-4 seconds he can't deliver a clean throw.
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Post by thejuice on Dec 29, 2020 11:11:25 GMT -5
Yeah, Brissett would be an option to consider. At least he can pass. He also knows their offense, and by all accounts, is a really good dude. I like the fit. I'd also love to see Mariota as the bridge guy, but that would probably require giving up capital and more money. exactly, which is why i think jacoby is the better option vs mariota. |
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Post by ncpatsfan1971 on Dec 29, 2020 11:22:01 GMT -5
All I know for sure is that I was hoping for a QB change after half time. After I saw Cam on the field for the first series at about 5 or 6 minutes into the third quarter and it was the same old shit, I just couldn't take it anymore. So I changed over to Amazon Prime and watched an old "Alias" show with Jennifer Garner to help get my mind back to good thoughts.  Of course the entire team stunk last night but the defense had to play 2/3 of the game so I suppose there's that. First losing season in 20 years and Patriot Haters are celebrating. I wish we could play next weeks game today and just get this fcking season over. Still going to keep positive thoughts for 2021 while hoping Cam enjoys retirement. |
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Post by PatsFan4Life on Dec 29, 2020 11:22:34 GMT -5
I can't watch Cam another year. He can't feel pressure, his footwork in the pocket is terrible and his throwing mechanics are awful. Unless he has a clean pocket for 3-4 seconds he can't deliver a clean throw. I can't watch the Pats with Cam as QB. Something about his game and his personality has always put me off... I don't know exactly why but I think its because I feel he has always been a pretender... What I do know is that the Pat's Way does not live here at the moment... we lack the discipline, leadership and buy in on this team. We need to get this back. So how do we do that? 1. Get players that are good and have some swagger and ability to pull off the game plans that BB and his staff devise. 2. Get true leaders on the team that can drive other players to play better 3. Find our swagger again I don't think Cam brings that, nor do I see the leadership on the D side of the ball to do that... We need to find those leaders through the draft and free agency and "get that feeling again" I remember the early 2000's and we had that leadership and drive to adapt and overcome... I need to see that effort and drive again... watching the game last night was not about the disappointment of seeing a lose, it was seeing the lose of heart in this team and the way we looked in disarray. BB please find us leaders... |
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Post by jri37 on Dec 29, 2020 11:25:19 GMT -5
I can't watch Cam another year. He can't feel pressure, his footwork in the pocket is terrible and his throwing mechanics are awful. Unless he has a clean pocket for 3-4 seconds he can't deliver a clean throw. I can't watch the Pats with Cam as QB. Something about his game and his personality has always put me off... I don't know exactly why but I think its because I feel he has always been a pretender... What I do know is that the Pat's Way does not live here at the moment... we lack the discipline, leadership and buy in on this team. We need to get this back. So how do we do that? 1. Get players that are good and have some swagger and ability to pull off the game plans that BB and his staff devise. 2. Get true leaders on the team that can drive other players to play better 3. Find our swagger again I don't think Cam brings that, nor do I see the leadership on the D side of the ball to do that... We need to find those leaders through the draft and free agency and "get that feeling again" I remember the early 2000's and we had that leadership and drive to adapt and overcome... I need to see that effort and drive again... watching the game last night was not about the disappointment of seeing a lose, it was seeing the lose of heart in this team and the way we looked in disarray. BB please find us leaders... that's a good post and a microcosm of that was JC Jackson last night. As the game was slipping away in the 2nd qtr JC seemed to get really disinterested in what he was supposed to be doing out there. |
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Post by philskiw on Dec 29, 2020 12:15:10 GMT -5
I’m not in the place of blame. I’ll use that again
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Post by jsseacoast on Dec 29, 2020 13:57:05 GMT -5
All I needed to know about Cam was when he backed away from a fumble in that one super bowl he was in. Loser/pretender/no heart/no will to win....didn't want to get himself hurt, lol
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 14:10:46 GMT -5
Ask yourselves what would Bill Belichick do?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Dec 29, 2020 14:22:58 GMT -5
Ask yourselves what would Bill Belichick do? I see two paths, and neither is new or original info. Path 1: They acquire Jimmy Garoppolo or Matt Stafford to be their franchise guy. They could still draft a guy on Day 2 or 3, if they really like one, but the "need" would be lessened in the short-term. Path 2: They sign Jacoby Brissett, or someone of the like (though he makes the most sense in my head), as the bridge guy, and draft the future guy. EDIT: I just don't seem the dropping huge coin on Dak. |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 14:35:53 GMT -5
Ask yourselves what would Bill Belichick do? I see two paths, and neither is new or original info. Path 1: They acquire Jimmy Garoppolo or Matt Stafford to be their franchise guy. They could still draft a guy on Day 2 or 3, if they really like one, but the "need" would be lessened in the short-term. Path 2: They sign Jacoby Brissett, or someone of the like (though he makes the most sense in my head), as the bridge guy, and draft the future guy. Throw in Carr while you are at it because all 3 guys will take draft capital in a trade and a decent contract. I think Jimmy is least likely to be available, his team is good. I hope for one of thse moves and if Bill wants to win he will have to do something like this. Still, doesn't that fly directly in the face of the idea to move away from Brady because he was older and Bill didn't want to invest future money into him? I like Briskett, a fine kid, but he has less total TDs than Cam does if all things were the same this year. (contracting the virus new system etc). Cam>230 pounds of dry Briskett. I also read an article where he sounded plenty upset at Bill for how his trade went down. Side story I saw Bill and Briskett having a beer at the old "Square Grouper" in Jupiter FL(great spot) in the off season before he was traded. Just those 2 hanging out for about 2 hours, having an intimate convo. Upon seeing them I predicted we were going to trade Jimmy and have Brissett take over as back up..but I guess Bill felt Phillip Dorsett was a better player than Brissett.  I have a sixer says Brisset will not be in NE next season. www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/jacoby-brissett-traded-patriots |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Dec 29, 2020 14:45:16 GMT -5
I see two paths, and neither is new or original info. Path 1: They acquire Jimmy Garoppolo or Matt Stafford to be their franchise guy. They could still draft a guy on Day 2 or 3, if they really like one, but the "need" would be lessened in the short-term. Path 2: They sign Jacoby Brissett, or someone of the like (though he makes the most sense in my head), as the bridge guy, and draft the future guy. Throw in Carr while you are at it because all 3 guys will take draft capital in a trade and a decent contract. I think Jimmy is least likely to be available, his team is good. I hope for one of thse moves and if Bill wants to win he will have to do something like this. Still, doesn't that fly directly in the face of the idea to move away from Brady because he was older and Bill didn't want to invest future money into him? I like Briskett, a fine kid, but he has less total TDs than Cam does if all things were the same this year. (contracting the virus new system etc). Cam>230 pounds of dry Briskett. I also read an article where he sounded plenty upset at Bill for how his trade went down. Side story I saw Bill and Briskett having a beer at the old "Square Grouper" in Jupiter FL(great spot) in the off season before he was traded. Just those 2 hanging out for about 2 hours, having an intimate convo. Upon seeing them I predicted we were going to trade Jimmy and have Brissett take over as back up..but I guess Bill felt Phillip Dorsett was a better player than Brissett. I have a sixer says Brisset will not be in NE next season. www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/jacoby-brissett-traded-patriotsI disagree that Cam is better at this stage, I mean, he literally can't throw. Brissett isn't exciting, but I think he can be a stabilizing force for 8-12 games or however long it takes the next guy to get up to speed (I think that ramp-up is lessened with Mac). Personally, I want Mariota or Minshew... but both would likely cost draft capital. Cool story... did you go up to them at all? |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 15:04:11 GMT -5
Throw in Carr while you are at it because all 3 guys will take draft capital in a trade and a decent contract. I think Jimmy is least likely to be available, his team is good. I hope for one of thse moves and if Bill wants to win he will have to do something like this. Still, doesn't that fly directly in the face of the idea to move away from Brady because he was older and Bill didn't want to invest future money into him? I like Briskett, a fine kid, but he has less total TDs than Cam does if all things were the same this year. (contracting the virus new system etc). Cam>230 pounds of dry Briskett. I also read an article where he sounded plenty upset at Bill for how his trade went down. Side story I saw Bill and Briskett having a beer at the old "Square Grouper" in Jupiter FL(great spot) in the off season before he was traded. Just those 2 hanging out for about 2 hours, having an intimate convo. Upon seeing them I predicted we were going to trade Jimmy and have Brissett take over as back up..but I guess Bill felt Phillip Dorsett was a better player than Brissett. I have a sixer says Brisset will not be in NE next season. www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/jacoby-brissett-traded-patriotsI disagree that Cam is better at this stage, I mean, he literally can't throw. Brissett isn't exciting, but I think he can be a stabilizing force for 8-12 games or however long it takes the next guy to get up to speed (I think that ramp-up is lessened with Mac). Personally, I want Mariota or Minshew... but both would likely cost draft capital. Cool story... did you go up to them at all? No, they were seriously engaged in a private convo the entire time. Off in the corner for real. It just didn't seem right, especially since Bill is kind of a local. However, my buddy did before I arrived and it did NOT go well. He is a Browns fan, walked right up to them, stood there with a shit eating grin and they flat out ignored him lol. He finally muttered out a few words, they were polite but not to be bothered. I like Minshew but only if he can take Chark and Shenault with him lol. Marriota would be nice and he is an upgrade to Cam imo...but not by much. All would be limited with our roster. |
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Post by froglegs on Dec 29, 2020 15:37:31 GMT -5
Ask yourselves what would Bill Belichick do? I see two paths, and neither is new or original info. Path 1: They acquire Jimmy Garoppolo or Matt Stafford to be their franchise guy. They could still draft a guy on Day 2 or 3, if they really like one, but the "need" would be lessened in the short-term. Path 2: They sign Jacoby Brissett, or someone of the like (though he makes the most sense in my head), as the bridge guy, and draft the future guy. EDIT: I just don't seem the dropping huge coin on Dak. As a Bridge guy I would like Fitz, the guy can really win you a bunch of games. |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 15:47:20 GMT -5
I see two paths, and neither is new or original info. Path 1: They acquire Jimmy Garoppolo or Matt Stafford to be their franchise guy. They could still draft a guy on Day 2 or 3, if they really like one, but the "need" would be lessened in the short-term. Path 2: They sign Jacoby Brissett, or someone of the like (though he makes the most sense in my head), as the bridge guy, and draft the future guy. EDIT: I just don't seem the dropping huge coin on Dak. As a Bridge guy I would like Fitz, the guy can really win you a bunch of games. He is 59-86-1 for his career. 9-11 his last 2 years with 33 TDs 21 INT's. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 29, 2020 15:49:43 GMT -5
^^^The best bridge guy would be Matt Ryan, and bring Julio Jones with him.
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Post by Brady2Welker47 on Dec 29, 2020 15:54:29 GMT -5
I'd be very happy with Jimmy G returning....he knows the system ...he is a winning QB that has taken his team to the Super Bowl ....I know he has been hurt but so was Phil Simms early on in his career....draft a QB this year ....2nd or 3rd Rd....and we can be in contention right away !!!
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Post by froglegs on Dec 29, 2020 16:04:02 GMT -5
As a Bridge guy I would like Fitz, the guy can really win you a bunch of games. He is 59-86-1 for his career. 9-11 his last 2 years with 33 TDs 21 INT's. Yeah but he performed pretty good this year. Late blossoming? |
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Post by tswfan on Dec 29, 2020 16:52:57 GMT -5
I'd be very happy with Jimmy G returning....he knows the system ...he is a winning QB that has taken his team to the Super Bowl ....I know he has been hurt but so was Phil Simms early on in his career....draft a QB this year ....2nd or 3rd Rd....and we can be in contention right away !!! YEP, Edeleman was hurt a lot early in his career I believe. Jimmy G would put us back into the hunt next year. |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 17:49:15 GMT -5
He is 59-86-1 for his career. 9-11 his last 2 years with 33 TDs 21 INT's. Yeah but he performed pretty good this year. Late blossoming? They only show us the good times on espn. Fitzy lost his starting job for a reason. In his 1st 6 starts he had 7 tds 7 ints. In Tua's first 6 starts he had 7 tds 1 Int. Fitzy is a cool story that he's a 38 year old journeyman who can make a few big plays here and there but his inconsistencies have plagued him for the duration of his career. I for one, would be further embarrassed if we went from the greatest ever, to Cam newton to Ryan Fitzpatrick. Good Bad Ugly. Wrong direction. |
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Dec 29, 2020 17:58:18 GMT -5
I am not giving a ton of draft capital for any of those guys .
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 18:04:39 GMT -5
^^^The best bridge guy would be Matt Ryan, and bring Julio Jones with him. I know this is a joke, but a distinction should be made. Matt Ryan or even Matt Stafford would not be a "bridge guy" per se... they would be proven starters who would make them competitive immediately. An average Joe like Fitzpatrick would be a bridge guy, which means he could be a buffer for a good rookie draft pick. A guy to show the rookie the ropes, how to prepare like a pro, and even if he couldn't provide the best play as an example he could still show the kid how to make the right reads and decisions. Fitzpatrick fills that niche because he's just good enough, and unlike the other two could be had cheap and realizing they were drafting someone to take his job when the time was right. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 29, 2020 18:04:59 GMT -5
I can't watch Cam another year.He can't feel pressure, his footwork in the pocket is terrible and his throwing mechanics are awful. Unless he has a clean pocket for 3-4 seconds he can't deliver a clean throw. |
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Post by thejuice on Dec 29, 2020 18:07:24 GMT -5
I can't watch Cam another year. He can't feel pressure, his footwork in the pocket is terrible and his throwing mechanics are awful. Unless he has a clean pocket for 3-4 seconds he can't deliver a clean throw. I’m with ya. Really nice guy. Want him to do well.... but he’s just an absolutely atrocious thrower of the football and also well below average at read and recognition and decision making. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 29, 2020 18:07:58 GMT -5
^^^The best bridge guy would be Matt Ryan, and bring Julio Jones with him. I know this is a joke, but a distinction should be made. Matt Ryan or even Matt Stafford would not be a "bridge guy" per se... they would be proven starters who would make them competitive immediately. An average Joe like Fitzpatrick would be a bridge guy, which means he could be a buffer for a good rookie draft pick. A guy to show the rookie the ropes, how to prepare like a pro, and even if he couldn't provide the best play as an example he could still show the kid how to make the right reads and decisions. Fitzpatrick fills that niche because he's just good enough, and unlike the other two could be had cheap and realizing they were drafting someone to take his job when the time was right. You are so good at detecting sarcasm!!!. I kinda like Fitzpatrick, but if the GM drafts a day one ready to go QB, you think Fitz would want to come to the Patriots? what other average Joe's are out there? |
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