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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 19:39:02 GMT -5
They had less money this year because they were getting rid of Brady so they went all in last season. 28 million in dead money. They had the most cap space in the entire league in 2017 and kept shedding top end talent who were due big money. That doesn't add up, obviously. You don't understand the cap. I told you they were in cap hell during the offseason before a game had been played, BB confirmed it in an interview with Charlie Weis months ago. He's lying...  |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 19:43:17 GMT -5
Tedy Bridgewater has 3 more Tds than Cam, 1 less pick, plays with 1,000,000 X better pass catchers, didn't contract covid mid season or throw half of his picks in the subsequent 2 games.
How does everyone feel Tedy would have done here this season? Be honest.
Many of you wanted him.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 29, 2020 19:43:53 GMT -5
Tedy Bridgewater has 3 more Tds than Cam, 1 less pick, plays with 1,000,000 X better pass catchers, didn't contract covid mid season or throw half of his picks in the subsequent 2 games. How does everyone feel Tedy would have done here this season? Be honest. Many of you wanted him. I think he would have done great. he's a real QB |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 19:44:48 GMT -5
Glad we didn't give Bradys money to this guy. And one of the worst O-Lines, he has to get rid of the ball fast, he can't exactly sit back there and pick teams apart. TEAM Replace Meyrs Harry and Byrd with Dj Moore Anderson and Samuel and Cam has 27+ total tds instead of 17. You'll get it soon. TEAM |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 19:48:50 GMT -5
They had less money this year because they were getting rid of Brady so they went all in last season. 28 million in dead money. They had the most cap space in the entire league in 2017 and kept shedding top end talent who were due big money. That doesn't add up, obviously. You don't understand the cap. I told you they were in cap hell during the offseason before a game had been played, BB confirmed it in an interview with Charlie Weis months ago. He's lying... Wozzy you have the mind of a 5 year old playing with lego's when it comes to salary cap.  You thought Bradys 2004 contract impacted 2020. Shit, we're still taking cap hits from Bledsoe going by your logic. You would literally say anything to deflect criticism from you daddy. We know this, because you have already said anything to deflect criticism of you daddy. |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 19:50:43 GMT -5
Tedy Bridgewater has 3 more Tds than Cam, 1 less pick, plays with 1,000,000 X better pass catchers, didn't contract covid mid season or throw half of his picks in the subsequent 2 games. How does everyone feel Tedy would have done here this season? Be honest. Many of you wanted him. I think he would have done great. he's a real QB A real QB who has 19 tds in 15 games with 3 nasty receivers. Copy. Any logic behind your statement? Reasoning? Would Harry and Byrd have turned him into a better QB? |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 29, 2020 20:13:11 GMT -5
I think he would have done great. he's a real QB A real QB who has 19 tds in 15 games with 3 nasty receivers. Copy. Any logic behind your statement? Reasoning? Would Harry and Byrd have turned him into a better QB? How many INTs does he have.
Harry may still become better with areal QB. Remember he was hurt last year. Myers is showing promise. Byrd could be the new Edelman. Be a real QB is needed.
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Post by homefield on Dec 29, 2020 20:24:36 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but Cam has to be lumped in there as average joes who already know the system and would be cheap. Phillip Rivers won't command the type of money he made this year and would take substantially less for an opportunity to win. Jacoby Brissett would be a good bridge guy. Trubisky probably played his way out of that category this season and Chicago is going to have a tough decision to make. Tyrod Taylor was that bridge guy for the Chargers before the coach told the trainer to puncture his lung. Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy, possibly RG3, Joe Flacco, Garrett Gilber, Blake Bortles and the two other Allen brothers are also options... albeit poor ones. Dalton has the Cowboys in a position to win the NFC east
I think the eagles, giants and WFT have the cowboys in position to win the nfc east not Dalton. I've never seen 4 teams in the same division trying to help each other make the playoffs Lol
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Post by paulk on Dec 29, 2020 21:10:51 GMT -5
In a league with 32 teams drafting, you can't expect that the one player of your dreams will fall into your lap. Focus on three or four and hope that one of the three works out.
My best fit QBs for the Patriots this April are as follows:
1. Trask, a fast riser from where? North Dakota State. "Fast riser" shows that he can study and keep improving.
2. Mac Jones, a superbly accurate dink and dunk passer with a fast release. He makes few mistakes. If he's like Brady, maybe he can strengthen his arm and get better at those bombs someday.
3. Jamie Newman, known for his arm, accuracy, mobility and frame. The guy isn't on anybody's radar because he opted out of the college ranks because of the covid.
I'm not part of the Patriots front office and I'll never be interviewing any of these guys in depth, so I don't really know which guys know their football. I'm just guessing from the outside. I'm looking for Brady-like qualities on the cheap. I'm looking for a Kyle Dugger-like Division II pedigree or another reason for the crowd to completely miss a guy so that he drops down the board. I like a quick release.
Best guess, Cam signs up for a second year. Who else wants him? I suspect that Cam will get a little better with experience.
This is a banner year for drafting QBs. Five other teams will cut their QBs loose. When San Fran drafted their tackle of the future, they got rid of Trent Brown at a fire sale price to New England. He was great.
Stid will stick for 2021, then he'll hit free agency and walk. Hoyer is gone.
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 29, 2020 21:53:47 GMT -5
I'm not much of a Andy Dalton fan so I'm not going to agree with that statement. Who was worse.. Andy Dalton or Marvin Lewis.. ugh! Dalton played behind some of the worst O-Lines in the NFL annually, he nearly led the NFL in sacks every year. It doesn't matter if you have weapons when you're on your back, it begins in the trenches. He chokes in the playoffs, I don't think he has a single playoff win. I think he is like 0-5 |
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Post by thejuice on Dec 29, 2020 22:04:49 GMT -5
In a league with 32 teams drafting, you can't expect that the one player of your dreams will fall into your lap. Focus on three or four and hope that one of the three works out. My best fit QBs for the Patriots this April are as follows: 1. Trask, a fast riser from where? North Dakota State. "Fast riser" shows that he can study and keep improving. 2. Mac Jones, a superbly accurate dink and dunk passer with a fast release. He makes few mistakes. If he's like Brady, maybe he can strengthen his arm and get better at those bombs someday. 3. Jamie Newman, known for his arm, accuracy, mobility and frame. The guy isn't on anybody's radar because he opted out of the college ranks because of the covid. I'm not part of the Patriots front office and I'll never be interviewing any of these guys in depth, so I don't really know which guys know their football. I'm just guessing from the outside. I'm looking for Brady-like qualities on the cheap. I'm looking for a Kyle Dugger-like Division II pedigree or another reason for the crowd to completely miss a guy so that he drops down the board. I like a quick release. Best guess, Cam signs up for a second year. Who else wants him? I suspect that Cam will get a little better with experience. This is a banner year for drafting QBs. Five other teams will cut their QBs loose. When San Fran drafted their tackle of the future, they got rid of Trent Brown at a fire sale price to New England. He was great. Stid will stick for 2021, then he'll hit free agency and walk. Hoyer is gone. Trask is playing at Florida. Trey Lance plays for both Dakota. And hate to tell you, what one team did years ago with their underachieving OT has zero to do with what could happen with the QB market this year. |
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Post by thejuice on Dec 29, 2020 22:05:52 GMT -5
Dalton played behind some of the worst O-Lines in the NFL annually, he nearly led the NFL in sacks every year. It doesn't matter if you have weapons when you're on your back, it begins in the trenches. He chokes in the playoffs, I don't think he has a single playoff win. I think he is like 0-5 Indeed he did. No doubt. That coaching staff and honestly that entire organization has been a bunch of choking dogs for years |
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Dec 29, 2020 22:20:41 GMT -5
This notion about Harry being good once there’s a QB is a joke. The guy’s a major bust.
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Post by 7thWonderOfTheWorld on Dec 29, 2020 22:36:03 GMT -5
This notion about Harry being good once there’s a QB is a joke. The guy’s a major bust. Gotta agree, Harry and McD need to go. Both are failures. |
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Post by thejuice on Dec 29, 2020 22:39:38 GMT -5
This notion about Harry being good once there’s a QB is a joke. The guy’s a major bust. To this point absolutely. However as a rookie he missed most of camp and the first half of the year due to injury. To a degree year was like an extension of his rookie season... and he had no real training camp and practice reps for a second year in a row and add to that, that he had the worst thrower in the league throwing him the ball. So yes to this point he’s a bust no donut. He likes plain lost out there at times. However, I’d like to see him with a full real offseason under his belt, and see him play with a real qb that’s actually a good or better thrower of the football, before 100% writing him off |
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Post by thejuice on Dec 29, 2020 22:41:27 GMT -5
This notion about Harry being good once there’s a QB is a joke. The guy’s a major bust. Gotta agree, Harry and McD need to go. Both are failures. This team would be significantly better even as currently constituted if they could upgrade in mcdaniels. They’ve needed to upgrade on him for years |
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 29, 2020 23:32:50 GMT -5
He chokes in the playoffs, I don't think he has a single playoff win. I think he is like 0-5 Indeed he did. No doubt. That coaching staff and honestly that entire organization has been a bunch of choking dogs for years He has 1 playoff passing TD and 6 INTs. |
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 29, 2020 23:54:23 GMT -5
I'm not much of a Andy Dalton fan so I'm not going to agree with that statement. Who was worse.. Andy Dalton or Marvin Lewis.. ugh! Dalton played behind some of the worst O-Lines in the NFL annually, he nearly led the NFL in sacks every year. It doesn't matter if you have weapons when you're on your back, it begins in the trenches. Sorry, wozzy.. that's just false. When comparing the years from 2011-2019, Dalton was sacked more in 4 of those years than Brady. Brady was sacked more in 3 of those years than Dalton. 2 years they tied in sacks. Brady career average is 1.7 sacks per game, Dalton career average 2 sacks per game. There are season where Brady was sacked more than Dalton |
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Post by bostonts on Dec 29, 2020 23:59:54 GMT -5
This notion about Harry being good once there’s a QB is a joke. The guy’s a major bust. To this point absolutely. However as a rookie he missed most of camp and the first half of the year due to injury. To a degree year was like an extension of his rookie season... and he had no real training camp and practice reps for a second year in a row and add to that, that he had the worst thrower in the league throwing him the ball. So yes to this point he’s a bust no donut. He likes plain lost out there at times. However, I’d like to see him with a full real offseason under his belt, and see him play with a real qb that’s actually a good or better thrower of the football, before 100% writing him off I agree with this. Harry has shown enough flashes, I think you have to give him one more season. What Cam is good at and what Harry is good at also aren't the same. I'm intrigued by turning Harry into more of a tight end type possession receiver. He has the blocking skills for that. Maybe offseason weight training can be part of that. What we CAN say is that Harry was a bad pick given not just Metcalf, but so many productive receivers that came out that draft after Harry. It was a receiver-rich draft and it just wasn't a good pick. But, that doesn't make the pick a bust (yet). Nor does it mean you quit on the receiver. You have to work with the assets you have. Harry isn't fast but he is an athlete and in my opinion deserves one more season with a game plan and QB that is hopefully better for him. Will he ever be a #1 receiver or a #2? Highly unlikely. But I'm not ruling out him being a contributor. Yet. |
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Post by bostonts on Dec 30, 2020 0:15:53 GMT -5
I've said it before but I don't think BB has any interest in spending a lot of money on QB in 2021. If we do, suddenly our cap room won't be so great. We have a number of pretty significant players becoming free agents. I believe BB will want to rebuild the roster with a QB on a discount, giving him more funds to build out the rest of the team. That's why Cam is under consideration and why several reporters have verified that. However if BB can get a better QB on an affordable, incentive laden contract I"m sure he will consider it. Jimmy G would potentially be the exception, if BB can get Jimmy G somehow I think he'll expand on the budget there. But Andy Dalton type guys are the types I would expect to get a look. Dalton's contract I think was up to $7 million if he hit all incentives etc, with $3 million guaranteed. IMO that's the type of deal BB wants from his QB. For several reasons. I think BB is really done with what he perceives as divas. I don't think he is ready to concede that winning requires a seasoned/expensive QB, I think he believes a stronger overall team and a decent/coachable/affordable non-diva QB is enough for him. I think he would rather groom his own from college anyhow, so next year would be stopgap in his eyes. If he spends $15-20 million in guaranteed on a QB not named Jimmy G I'll be very surprised.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Dec 30, 2020 1:11:37 GMT -5
To this point absolutely. However as a rookie he missed most of camp and the first half of the year due to injury. To a degree year was like an extension of his rookie season... and he had no real training camp and practice reps for a second year in a row and add to that, that he had the worst thrower in the league throwing him the ball. So yes to this point he’s a bust no donut. He likes plain lost out there at times. However, I’d like to see him with a full real offseason under his belt, and see him play with a real qb that’s actually a good or better thrower of the football, before 100% writing him off I agree with this. Harry has shown enough flashes, I think you have to give him one more season. What Cam is good at and what Harry is good at also aren't the same. I'm intrigued by turning Harry into more of a tight end type possession receiver. He has the blocking skills for that. Maybe offseason weight training can be part of that. What we CAN say is that Harry was a bad pick given not just Metcalf, but so many productive receivers that came out that draft after Harry. It was a receiver-rich draft and it just wasn't a good pick. But, that doesn't make the pick a bust (yet). Nor does it mean you quit on the receiver. You have to work with the assets you have. Harry isn't fast but he is an athlete and in my opinion deserves one more season with a game plan and QB that is hopefully better for him. Will he ever be a #1 receiver or a #2? Highly unlikely. But I'm not ruling out him being a contributor. Yet. The numbers are just mediocre. Guy hasn’t even reached 300 yards and how many games he has played? I have seen enough but he won’t be cut because he was picked in the first round but his time is running out. |
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Dec 30, 2020 1:13:06 GMT -5
I've said it before but I don't think BB has any interest in spending a lot of money on QB in 2021. If we do, suddenly our cap room won't be so great. We have a number of pretty significant players becoming free agents. I believe BB will want to rebuild the roster with a QB on a discount, giving him more funds to build out the rest of the team. That's why Cam is under consideration and why several reporters have verified that. However if BB can get a better QB on an affordable, incentive laden contract I"m sure he will consider it. Jimmy G would potentially be the exception, if BB can get Jimmy G somehow I think he'll expand on the budget there. But Andy Dalton type guys are the types I would expect to get a look. Dalton's contract I think was up to $7 million if he hit all incentives etc, with $3 million guaranteed. IMO that's the type of deal BB wants from his QB. For several reasons. I think BB is really done with what he perceives as divas. I don't think he is ready to concede that winning requires a seasoned/expensive QB, I think he believes a stronger overall team and a decent/coachable/affordable non-diva QB is enough for him. I think he would rather groom his own from college anyhow, so next year would be stopgap in his eyes. If he spends $15-20 million in guaranteed on a QB not named Jimmy G I'll be very surprised. I would wait next year to draft a QB but something tells me they might reach for one or trade up for one. |
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Post by bostonts on Dec 30, 2020 1:38:03 GMT -5
I agree with this. Harry has shown enough flashes, I think you have to give him one more season. What Cam is good at and what Harry is good at also aren't the same. I'm intrigued by turning Harry into more of a tight end type possession receiver. He has the blocking skills for that. Maybe offseason weight training can be part of that. What we CAN say is that Harry was a bad pick given not just Metcalf, but so many productive receivers that came out that draft after Harry. It was a receiver-rich draft and it just wasn't a good pick. But, that doesn't make the pick a bust (yet). Nor does it mean you quit on the receiver. You have to work with the assets you have. Harry isn't fast but he is an athlete and in my opinion deserves one more season with a game plan and QB that is hopefully better for him. Will he ever be a #1 receiver or a #2? Highly unlikely. But I'm not ruling out him being a contributor. Yet. The numbers are just mediocre. Guy hasn’t even reached 300 yards and how many games he has played? I have seen enough but he won’t be cut because he was picked in the first round but his time is running out. I didn't say I was a fan.  And yes, his time is running out but I do give BB credit for being able to help guys retool to new positions. I'm intrigued by his potential as more of a tight end role.... I think you have to try something like that with a better QB before you punt him, he is too much of an athlete sizewise etc to just cut him. But - one more injury or some such and yeah, he's gone |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 30, 2020 7:44:15 GMT -5
In a league with 32 teams drafting, you can't expect that the one player of your dreams will fall into your lap. Focus on three or four and hope that one of the three works out. My best fit QBs for the Patriots this April are as follows: 1. Trask, a fast riser from where? North Dakota State. "Fast riser" shows that he can study and keep improving. 2. Mac Jones, a superbly accurate dink and dunk passer with a fast release. He makes few mistakes. If he's like Brady, maybe he can strengthen his arm and get better at those bombs someday. 3. Jamie Newman, known for his arm, accuracy, mobility and frame. The guy isn't on anybody's radar because he opted out of the college ranks because of the covid. I'm not part of the Patriots front office and I'll never be interviewing any of these guys in depth, so I don't really know which guys know their football. I'm just guessing from the outside. I'm looking for Brady-like qualities on the cheap. I'm looking for a Kyle Dugger-like Division II pedigree or another reason for the crowd to completely miss a guy so that he drops down the board. I like a quick release. Best guess, Cam signs up for a second year. Who else wants him? I suspect that Cam will get a little better with experience. This is a banner year for drafting QBs. Five other teams will cut their QBs loose. When San Fran drafted their tackle of the future, they got rid of Trent Brown at a fire sale price to New England. He was great. Stid will stick for 2021, then he'll hit free agency and walk. Hoyer is gone. Trask is playing at Florida. Trey Lance plays for both Dakota. And hate to tell you, what one team did years ago with their underachieving OT has zero to do with what could happen with the QB market this year. I like Trask. And some of his weapons in Fla like Pitts and Toney. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 30, 2020 7:45:06 GMT -5
I think he would have done great. he's a real QB A real QB who has 19 tds in 15 games with 3 nasty receivers. Copy. Any logic behind your statement? Reasoning? Would Harry and Byrd have turned him into a better QB? Sorry. Bridgewater > Newton. That's my logic |
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You thought Bradys 2004 contract impacted 2020. Shit, we're still taking cap hits from Bledsoe going by your logic. 
And yes, his time is running out but I do give BB credit for being able to help guys retool to new positions. I'm intrigued by his potential as more of a tight end role.... I think you have to try something like that with a better QB before you punt him, he is too much of an athlete sizewise etc to just cut him. But - one more injury or some such and yeah, he's gone