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Post by jri37 on Dec 29, 2020 18:12:39 GMT -5
I can't watch Cam another year. He can't feel pressure, his footwork in the pocket is terrible and his throwing mechanics are awful. Unless he has a clean pocket for 3-4 seconds he can't deliver a clean throw. I’m with ya. Really nice guy. Want him to do well.... but he’s just an absolutely atrocious thrower of the football and also well below average at read and recognition and decision making. I'll actually apologize to Cam. From everything I've read and heard he's been a great leader and teammate. I thought on that front he would be a disaster which the opposite has been true. The disaster is when they snap the ball to him. |
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 29, 2020 18:12:42 GMT -5
The good news is, according to BB is there will be a lot of changes next season.  |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 18:17:21 GMT -5
The good news is, according to BB is there will be a lot of changes next season. PLEASE LET IT BE!!! Chris Godwin Curtis Samuel Jonnu Smith Mac Jones jameis Winston  |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 18:28:28 GMT -5
Cam has the 3rd most rushing TDs in the NFL this year...oh but anyone could do that...sure lol.
He's going to finish with around 3200 yards 20 tds imo(3 next week as we bet the jets) but in only 15 games. 2 of those games after contracting covid with no practice and throwing 5 of his 10 picks as he looked lost on offense and played from way behind against SF as they THRASHED US.
Bill and Josh don't ask him to throw a lot. you can say it is because he sucks, but he completes 65% of his passes. Bill and McD have been disappointing in how they have used Cam imo as have the receivers and TE's.
As Cam has pointed out, he only does what the coaches are asking of him. Bill and Josh have reiterated this multiple times.
Gut feeling is we should all be ready for one more year of Cam and probably an 8-8 season. Unless Bill rebounds!
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 18:29:24 GMT -5
You are so good at detecting sarcasm!!!. I kinda like Fitzpatrick, but if the GM drafts a day one ready to go QB, you think Fitz would want to come to the Patriots? what other average Joe's are out there? I hate to say it, but Cam has to be lumped in there as average joes who already know the system and would be cheap. Phillip Rivers won't command the type of money he made this year and would take substantially less for an opportunity to win. Jacoby Brissett would be a good bridge guy. Trubisky probably played his way out of that category this season and Chicago is going to have a tough decision to make. Tyrod Taylor was that bridge guy for the Chargers before the coach told the trainer to puncture his lung. Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy, possibly RG3, Joe Flacco, Garrett Gilber, Blake Bortles and the two other Allen brothers are also options... albeit poor ones. |
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 29, 2020 18:36:42 GMT -5
^^^The best bridge guy would be Matt Ryan, and bring Julio Jones with him. I know this is a joke, but a distinction should be made. Matt Ryan or even Matt Stafford would not be a "bridge guy" per se... they would be proven starters who would make them competitive immediately. An average Joe like Fitzpatrick would be a bridge guy, which means he could be a buffer for a good rookie draft pick. A guy to show the rookie the ropes, how to prepare like a pro, and even if he couldn't provide the best play as an example he could still show the kid how to make the right reads and decisions. Fitzpatrick fills that niche because he's just good enough, and unlike the other two could be had cheap and realizing they were drafting someone to take his job when the time was right. Fitzpatrick is going to give you some great games, but he's going to give you more bad games than good. He's way to risky with the ball, he has the 'I don't give a crap' attitude when he plays. I don't want my rookie QB learning from him. Matt Ryan isn't a possibility. I think there's too much dead cap for the Falcons to eat for 2021. 2022 would be much better for them. I see the Falcons drafting a QB and Ryan is their bridge QB (I don't agree with your bridge comment) for a year or two. I would like to see Matthew Stafford come in to NE. He want's out of Detroit and I think Josh McD and Stafford would be very good together. BUT, that all changes if the Lions hire Robert Saleh. I could see the Lions and Saleh trade for Jimmy G to the Lions and Stafford to the 49'ers. BTW, Happy New Year to you, Wozzy! |
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Post by thehub on Dec 29, 2020 18:38:05 GMT -5
The good news is, according to BB is there will be a lot of changes next season. PLEASE LET IT BE!!! Chris Godwin Curtis Samuel Jonnu Smith Mac Jones jameis Winston I hope this off season is epic! In a good way though. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 29, 2020 18:39:59 GMT -5
You are so good at detecting sarcasm!!!. I kinda like Fitzpatrick, but if the GM drafts a day one ready to go QB, you think Fitz would want to come to the Patriots? what other average Joe's are out there? I hate to say it, but Cam has to be lumped in there as average joes who already know the system and would be cheap. Phillip Rivers won't command the type of money he made this year and would take substantially less for an opportunity to win. Jacoby Brissett would be a good bridge guy. Trubisky probably played his way out of that category this season and Chicago is going to have a tough decision to make. Tyrod Taylor was that bridge guy for the Chargers before the coach told the trainer to puncture his lung. Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy, possibly RG3, Joe Flacco, Garrett Gilber, Blake Bortles and the two other Allen brothers are also options... albeit poor ones. Dalton has the Cowboys in a position to win the NFC east |
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Post by Brady2Welker47 on Dec 29, 2020 18:50:39 GMT -5
Cam has the 3rd most rushing TDs in the NFL this year...oh but anyone could do that...sure lol. He's going to finish with around 3200 yards 20 tds imo(3 next week as we bet the jets) but in only 15 games. 2 of those games after contracting covid with no practice and throwing 5 of his 10 picks as he looked lost on offense and played from way behind against SF as they THRASHED US. Bill and Josh don't ask him to throw a lot. you can say it is because he sucks, but he completes 65% of his passes. Bill and McD have been disappointing in how they have used Cam imo as have the receivers and TE's. As Cam has pointed out, he only does what the coaches are asking of him. Bill and Josh have reiterated this multiple times. Gut feeling is we should all be ready for one more year of Cam and probably an 8-8 season. Unless Bill rebounds! True Champ....stop...you may love Cam but the rest of us don't like him as an NFL QB ....he doesn't go thru progressions, he doesn't read defenses, he locks onto 1 WR no matter the coverage, if he throws off his back foot he buries the ball at the feet of his Wrs, he plays scared at key moments....please stop wishing what will make the rest us of miserable .... |
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 18:56:57 GMT -5
Fitzpatrick is going to give you some great games, but he's going to give you more bad games than good. He's way to risky with the ball, he has the 'I don't give a crap' attitude when he plays. I don't want my rookie QB learning from him. Matt Ryan isn't a possibility. I think there's too much dead cap for the Falcons to eat for 2021. 2022 would be much better for them. I see the Falcons drafting a QB and Ryan is their bridge QB (I don't agree with your bridge comment) for a year or two. I would like to see Matthew Stafford come in to NE. He want's out of Detroit and I think Josh McD and Stafford would be very good together. BUT, that all changes if the Lions hire Robert Saleh. I could see the Lions and Saleh trade for Jimmy G to the Lions and Stafford to the 49'ers. BTW, Happy New Year to you, Wozzy! Can't disagree with any of this... Happy New Year's to you also buddy, thanks for all your work year round! |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 18:57:44 GMT -5
Cam has the 3rd most rushing TDs in the NFL this year...oh but anyone could do that...sure lol. He's going to finish with around 3200 yards 20 tds imo(3 next week as we bet the jets) but in only 15 games. 2 of those games after contracting covid with no practice and throwing 5 of his 10 picks as he looked lost on offense and played from way behind against SF as they THRASHED US. Bill and Josh don't ask him to throw a lot. you can say it is because he sucks, but he completes 65% of his passes. Bill and McD have been disappointing in how they have used Cam imo as have the receivers and TE's. As Cam has pointed out, he only does what the coaches are asking of him. Bill and Josh have reiterated this multiple times. Gut feeling is we should all be ready for one more year of Cam and probably an 8-8 season. Unless Bill rebounds! True Champ....stop...you may love Cam but the rest of us don't like him as an NFL QB ....he doesn't go thru progressions, he doesn't read defenses, he locks onto 1 WR no matter the coverage, if he throws off his back foot he buries the ball at the feet of his Wrs, he plays scared at key moments....please stop wishing what will make the rest us of miserable .... I'm telling you what I think Bill will do based on his recent history. I want a much better QB than Cam too, but those guys cost money, and look what happened to Brady(and he didn't want money, he just wanted better skill players for the money he gave up). It appears as though Bill wants to win without a good to great QB or something strange, prove he doesn't need it maybe? But he does. |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 18:59:24 GMT -5
You are so good at detecting sarcasm!!!. I kinda like Fitzpatrick, but if the GM drafts a day one ready to go QB, you think Fitz would want to come to the Patriots? what other average Joe's are out there? Phillip Rivers won't command the type of money he made this year and would take substantially less for an opportunity to win. Jacoby Brissett would be a good bridge guy. Trubisky probably played his way out of that category this season and Chicago is going to have a tough decision to make. Tyrod Taylor was that bridge guy for the Chargers before the coach told the trainer to puncture his lung. Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy, possibly RG3, Joe Flacco, Garrett Gilber, Blake Bortles and the two other Allen brothers are also options... albeit poor ones. Bingo. And Bill loves cheap. get what you pay for. |
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 19:00:34 GMT -5
Dalton has the Cowboys in a position to win the NFC east And their offensive line is atrocious, he would be a good bridge guy who might make them competitive also. |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 19:07:04 GMT -5
Dalton has the Cowboys in a position to win the NFC east And their offensive line is atrocious, he would be a good bridge guy who might make them competitive also. Dalton with our receivers and TE's would be unbearable to watch. |
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Post by solly on Dec 29, 2020 19:09:22 GMT -5
We have to admit, Cam at least adds to the strength of the offense. He cant throw, but he makes the running game better.
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 19:11:25 GMT -5
We have to admit, Cam at least adds to the strength of the offense. He cant throw, but he makes the running game better. yep, and unless Bill goes out of character again and signs big name talent, he will stick with the ground and pound game. |
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 19:11:31 GMT -5
Bingo. And Bill loves cheap. get what you pay for. The entire 2001 team was cheap, value vets mixed with the good base of talent they already had... undervalued doesn't mean bad. They've signed a lot of value vets over the last twenty years. Lawrence Guy, Wes Welker, Mike Vrabel, Rob Nincovich, Ted Washington, Robert Traylor, Otis Smith, David Patten, Joe Andruzzi, Antwoin Smith, Mike Compton, Corey Blount, Roman Phifer, Gerrard Warren, Alge Crumpler, Dan Connolly, Dwayne Allen, Damiere Byrd... these guys weren't the cream of the free agent crop, many were considered old and washed up. It didn't mean they were bad players, they were good players undervalued by their current teams, or those teams were strapped for cash and couldn't afford them. If Cam wasn't washed up he could have worked out, unfortunately he is washed up and didn't work out. They had less money to work with this year after a dominant six year run. That's the price of winning. |
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 19:13:50 GMT -5
Dalton with our receivers and TE's would be unbearable to watch. Andy Dalton would have them in the AFC East title hunt. |
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Post by 7thWonderOfTheWorld on Dec 29, 2020 19:14:29 GMT -5
There are only about 5 teams that REALLY need QB's, there should be some quality QB's left in the draft at pick 13, 14, or 15, wherever we end up. I think we need to draft 2 QB's and also pick up a FA like Fitz, Stafford or Dalton. www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/If Stid is worse than Cam, i hear he is an INT machine in practice, then dump him too. |
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 29, 2020 19:21:15 GMT -5
Fitzpatrick is going to give you some great games, but he's going to give you more bad games than good. He's way to risky with the ball, he has the 'I don't give a crap' attitude when he plays. I don't want my rookie QB learning from him. Matt Ryan isn't a possibility. I think there's too much dead cap for the Falcons to eat for 2021. 2022 would be much better for them. I see the Falcons drafting a QB and Ryan is their bridge QB (I don't agree with your bridge comment) for a year or two. I would like to see Matthew Stafford come in to NE. He want's out of Detroit and I think Josh McD and Stafford would be very good together. BUT, that all changes if the Lions hire Robert Saleh. I could see the Lions and Saleh trade for Jimmy G to the Lions and Stafford to the 49'ers. BTW, Happy New Year to you, Wozzy! Can't disagree with any of this... Happy New Year's to you also buddy, thanks for all your work year round! Thanks, bud.. I appreciate that. |
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 29, 2020 19:28:07 GMT -5
Dalton with our receivers and TE's would be unbearable to watch. Andy Dalton would have them in the AFC East title hunt. I'm not much of a Andy Dalton fan so I'm not going to agree with that statement. Who was worse.. Andy Dalton or Marvin Lewis.. ugh!  |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 19:29:06 GMT -5
Bingo. And Bill loves cheap. get what you pay for. The entire 2001 team was cheap, value vets mixed with the good base of talent they already had... undervalued doesn't mean bad. They've signed a lot of value vets over the last twenty years. Lawrence Guy, Wes Welker, Mike Vrabel, Rob Nincovich, Ted Washington, Robert Traylor, Otis Smith, David Patten, Joe Andruzzi, Antwoin Smith, Mike Compton, Corey Blount, Roman Phifer, Gerrard Warren, Alge Crumpler, Dan Connolly, Dwayne Allen, Damiere Byrd... these guys weren't the cream of the free agent crop, many were considered old and washed up. It didn't mean they were bad players, they were good players undervalued by their current teams, or those teams were strapped for cash and couldn't afford them. If Cam wasn't washed up he could have worked out, unfortunately he is washed up and didn't work out. They had less money to work with this year after a dominant six year run. That's the price of winning.They had less money this year because they were getting rid of Brady so they went all in last season. 28 million in dead money. They had the most cap space in the entire league in 2017 and kept shedding top end talent who were due big money. That doesn't add up, obviously. |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 29, 2020 19:32:15 GMT -5
Glad we didn't give Bradys money to this guy.
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 19:35:27 GMT -5
I'm not much of a Andy Dalton fan so I'm not going to agree with that statement. Who was worse.. Andy Dalton or Marvin Lewis.. ugh! Dalton played behind some of the worst O-Lines in the NFL annually, he nearly led the NFL in sacks every year. It doesn't matter if you have weapons when you're on your back, it begins in the trenches. |
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 29, 2020 19:36:34 GMT -5
Glad we didn't give Bradys money to this guy. And one of the worst O-Lines, he has to get rid of the ball fast, he can't exactly sit back there and pick teams apart. TEAM |
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