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Post by digger0862 on Dec 30, 2020 7:49:24 GMT -5
A real QB who has 19 tds in 15 games with 3 nasty receivers. Copy. Any logic behind your statement? Reasoning? Would Harry and Byrd have turned him into a better QB? Sorry. Bridgewater > Newton. That's my logic He had two 1,000 yard receivers and a third with 700. That's pretty good in my book. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 30, 2020 8:03:00 GMT -5
Sorry. Bridgewater > Newton. That's my logic He had two 1,000 yard receivers and a third with 700. That's pretty good in my book. Oh yeah I forgot about that, thanks for adding that factoid about Bridgewater having a couple 1,000 yard receivers. |
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Post by patmando on Dec 30, 2020 8:12:37 GMT -5
Cam Newton is worse then Tim Tebow and Tim Tebow got cut in training camp here. This guy makes my yearn for Tony Eason 🤦‍♀️
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 30, 2020 8:58:17 GMT -5
Cam Newton is worse then Tim Tebow and Tim Tebow got cut in training camp here. This guy makes my yearn for Tony Eason 🤦‍♀️ Taysom Hill is the new Tim Tebow. Be nice to find a player like that. It throws the defense out of whack every time Hill comes in the game. |
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Post by wazzu on Dec 30, 2020 9:03:42 GMT -5
Can’t threw 5 TDs and 10 INTs through 16 games this year. That’s all I need to see. Just putrid.
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Post by wonderdrums on Dec 30, 2020 9:03:57 GMT -5
By the way, Can’t sounds like such an entitled, egotistical prick here. Sacrificed so much...give me a damn break. Talk to a person in the military if you want to hear about sacrifice. I’m so done with the dancing idiot. For all the talk about the long hours he puts in I’ve got to ask this. WTF is he working on during all that time? It sure isn't reading coverages, or throwing mechanics. Recognizing the blitz? Nope. Reading progressions? Nope. I have no clue what he's doing. Anyone have any idea? |
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Post by robotpat on Dec 30, 2020 9:12:04 GMT -5
By the way, Can’t sounds like such an entitled, egotistical prick here. Sacrificed so much...give me a damn break. Talk to a person in the military if you want to hear about sacrifice. I’m so done with the dancing idiot. For all the talk about the long hours he puts in I’ve got to ask this. WTF is he working on during all that time? It sure isn't reading coverages, or throwing mechanics. Recognizing the blitz? Nope. Reading progressions? Nope. I have no clue what he's doing. Anyone have any idea? Costume selection? |
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Post by thejuice on Dec 30, 2020 9:57:34 GMT -5
To this point absolutely. However as a rookie he missed most of camp and the first half of the year due to injury. To a degree year was like an extension of his rookie season... and he had no real training camp and practice reps for a second year in a row and add to that, that he had the worst thrower in the league throwing him the ball. So yes to this point he’s a bust no donut. He likes plain lost out there at times. However, I’d like to see him with a full real offseason under his belt, and see him play with a real qb that’s actually a good or better thrower of the football, before 100% writing him off I agree with this. Harry has shown enough flashes, I think you have to give him one more season. What Cam is good at and what Harry is good at also aren't the same. I'm intrigued by turning Harry into more of a tight end type possession receiver. He has the blocking skills for that. Maybe offseason weight training can be part of that. What we CAN say is that Harry was a bad pick given not just Metcalf, but so many productive receivers that came out that draft after Harry. It was a receiver-rich draft and it just wasn't a good pick. But, that doesn't make the pick a bust (yet). Nor does it mean you quit on the receiver. You have to work with the assets you have. Harry isn't fast but he is an athlete and in my opinion deserves one more season with a game plan and QB that is hopefully better for him. Will he ever be a #1 receiver or a #2? Highly unlikely. But I'm not ruling out him being a contributor. Yet. Excellent Post. |
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Post by kelvana33 on Dec 30, 2020 10:59:04 GMT -5
Five passing TD’s... Rushing TD’s are irrelevant, they could have used Sony or Harris to run TD’s in. This offense is completely anemic because they can’t pass and it’s not because of weapons. The young weapons will improve and improve exponentially with better passing. Cam in his advanced age with two shoulder surgeries on his throwing arm is not going to improve. He might be a good mentor from an intangibles standpoint, but they need a better teacher and passer. Running as a QB is so overrated, Tom Brady was slow as a mule, but could run for a first down if he needed to. He was the worst athlete in the league and is the greatest QB of all time... kind of puts running into perspective doesn’t it. Dan Marino couldn't run at all, yet defensive players will say he was so quick back there they couldnt get to him. That's a QB. |
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 30, 2020 11:16:05 GMT -5
Sorry. Bridgewater > Newton. That's my logic He had two 1,000 yard receivers and a third with 700. That's pretty good in my book. They actually have 3 1000 yard receivers as Samuel runs the ball too and is just short of 1000 total yards. Yet here Tedy is with only 2 more total TDs than Cam and 1 less pick. Didn't get covid mid season or play at a severe disadvantage the following 2 weeks. Blame Bill and Josh as Cam is only doing what they "ask him to do". This is a vast difference in talent. Put Anderson Moore and Samuels on this Patriots team, and Cam Newton and this offense are playoff bound. But, we would have had to have drafted 2 talented receivers in Moore and Samuel and paid another one in Anderson. We don't do that. We like having 37 special teamers instead. It works with elite QB play, doesn't without. Cam is a deep ball passer with the worst set of skill players in the NFL. That dog won't hunt. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 30, 2020 12:21:40 GMT -5
For all the talk about the long hours he puts in I’ve got to ask this. WTF is he working on during all that time? It sure isn't reading coverages, or throwing mechanics. Recognizing the blitz? Nope. Reading progressions? Nope. I have no clue what he's doing. Anyone have any idea? Costume selection?  |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 30, 2020 15:15:48 GMT -5
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Post by wonderdrums on Dec 30, 2020 15:32:48 GMT -5
He had two 1,000 yard receivers and a third with 700. That's pretty good in my book. They actually have 3 1000 yard receivers as Samuel runs the ball too and is just short of 1000 total yards. Yet here Tedy is with only 2 more total TDs than Cam and 1 less pick. Didn't get covid mid season or play at a severe disadvantage the following 2 weeks. Blame Bill and Josh as Cam is only doing what they "ask him to do". This is a vast difference in talent. Put Anderson Moore and Samuels on this Patriots team, and Cam Newton and this offense are playoff bound. But, we would have had to have drafted 2 talented receivers in Moore and Samuel and paid another one in Anderson. We don't do that. We like having 37 special teamers instead. It works with elite QB play, doesn't without. Cam is a deep ball passer with the worst set of skill players in the NFL. That dog won't hunt. I’m ok with your take on this except for one comment. “Cam is a deep ball passer”. I heartily disagree. Maybe he WAS that guy, but I don’t see Cam as any kind of passer anymore. |
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Post by pumpsiegreen on Dec 30, 2020 15:36:30 GMT -5
By the way, Can’t sounds like such an entitled, egotistical prick here. Sacrificed so much...give me a damn break. Talk to a person in the military if you want to hear about sacrifice. I’m so done with the dancing idiot. I want him GONE....yesterday. He is awful. I would not want our future qb to be infected by his incompetence. Maybe one day long ago he had it, but he SUCKS now. Get rid of him. I can't even watch him out there. |
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Post by pumpsiegreen on Dec 30, 2020 15:37:46 GMT -5
Cam has the 3rd most rushing TDs in the NFL this year...oh but anyone could do that...sure lol. He's going to finish with around 3200 yards 20 tds imo(3 next week as we bet the jets) but in only 15 games. 2 of those games after contracting covid with no practice and throwing 5 of his 10 picks as he looked lost on offense and played from way behind against SF as they THRASHED US. Bill and Josh don't ask him to throw a lot. you can say it is because he sucks, but he completes 65% of his passes. Bill and McD have been disappointing in how they have used Cam imo as have the receivers and TE's. As Cam has pointed out, he only does what the coaches are asking of him. Bill and Josh have reiterated this multiple times. Gut feeling is we should all be ready for one more year of Cam and probably an 8-8 season. Unless Bill rebounds! No Just...NO! |
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Post by patmando on Dec 30, 2020 15:47:10 GMT -5
Cam has the 3rd most rushing TDs in the NFL this year...oh but anyone could do that...sure lol. He's going to finish with around 3200 yards 20 tds imo(3 next week as we bet the jets) but in only 15 games. 2 of those games after contracting covid with no practice and throwing 5 of his 10 picks as he looked lost on offense and played from way behind against SF as they THRASHED US. Bill and Josh don't ask him to throw a lot. you can say it is because he sucks, but he completes 65% of his passes. Bill and McD have been disappointing in how they have used Cam imo as have the receivers and TE's. As Cam has pointed out, he only does what the coaches are asking of him. Bill and Josh have reiterated this multiple times. Gut feeling is we should all be ready for one more year of Cam and probably an 8-8 season. Unless Bill rebounds! No Just...NO! My take is Cam won’t even want to come back. He was/is not a fit for this teams offense and he learned that first hand this year. You think he wants another year throwing to these receivers? Now I get he won’t be getting 15 offers but I bet he will get a few and move on. Also just don’t see SF moving on from Jimmy G. He had a pretty good 2019. Hurt this year. They give him 2021. |
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Post by rkarp on Dec 30, 2020 16:10:30 GMT -5
SF wins with JimmyG
SF loses when JimmyG does not play
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Post by salcon on Dec 30, 2020 16:39:54 GMT -5
They actually have 3 1000 yard receivers as Samuel runs the ball too and is just short of 1000 total yards. Yet here Tedy is with only 2 more total TDs than Cam and 1 less pick. Didn't get covid mid season or play at a severe disadvantage the following 2 weeks. Blame Bill and Josh as Cam is only doing what they "ask him to do". This is a vast difference in talent. Put Anderson Moore and Samuels on this Patriots team, and Cam Newton and this offense are playoff bound. But, we would have had to have drafted 2 talented receivers in Moore and Samuel and paid another one in Anderson. We don't do that. We like having 37 special teamers instead. It works with elite QB play, doesn't without. Cam is a deep ball passer with the worst set of skill players in the NFL. That dog won't hunt. I’m ok with your take on this except for one comment. “Cam is a deep ball passer”. I heartily disagree. Maybe he WAS that guy, but I don’t see Cam as any kind of passer anymore. Yeah, if you're trying to throw the ball deep into the ground. That's the only way he's a deep ball passer. Some people have no eyes. |
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Post by digger0862 on Dec 30, 2020 16:56:08 GMT -5
He had two 1,000 yard receivers and a third with 700. That's pretty good in my book. They actually have 3 1000 yard receivers as Samuel runs the ball too and is just short of 1000 total yards. Yet here Tedy is with only 2 more total TDs than Cam and 1 less pick. Didn't get covid mid season or play at a severe disadvantage the following 2 weeks. Blame Bill and Josh as Cam is only doing what they "ask him to do". This is a vast difference in talent. Put Anderson Moore and Samuels on this Patriots team, and Cam Newton and this offense are playoff bound. But, we would have had to have drafted 2 talented receivers in Moore and Samuel and paid another one in Anderson. We don't do that. We like having 37 special teamers instead. It works with elite QB play, doesn't without. Cam is a deep ball passer with the worst set of skill players in the NFL. That dog won't hunt. Put Cam on Tampa Bay and they don't make the playoffs. I warmed up to Cam for a stretch but he's not the passer he used to be. |
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Post by salcon on Dec 30, 2020 16:58:43 GMT -5
No idea who the QB will be in NE next season but if it's not Cam then it's an automatic upgrade.
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 30, 2020 17:46:52 GMT -5
They actually have 3 1000 yard receivers as Samuel runs the ball too and is just short of 1000 total yards. Yet here Tedy is with only 2 more total TDs than Cam and 1 less pick. Didn't get covid mid season or play at a severe disadvantage the following 2 weeks. Blame Bill and Josh as Cam is only doing what they "ask him to do". This is a vast difference in talent. Put Anderson Moore and Samuels on this Patriots team, and Cam Newton and this offense are playoff bound. But, we would have had to have drafted 2 talented receivers in Moore and Samuel and paid another one in Anderson. We don't do that. We like having 37 special teamers instead. It works with elite QB play, doesn't without. Cam is a deep ball passer with the worst set of skill players in the NFL. That dog won't hunt. Put Cam on Tampa Bay and they don't make the playoffs. I warmed up to Cam for a stretch but he's not the passer he used to be. You are correct. He is actually a more accurate passer than he used to be. We have zero play makers hence the lack of passing TDs. That's why we call Cams number in the redzone and why he has the 3rd most rushing TDs in the NFL this season. Cam is actually close with his yearly average minus passing TDs. Like Brady last season with the same garbage. Btw I never wanted Cam. I just understand why Bill will start him every game he is eligible for. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Dec 31, 2020 5:38:44 GMT -5
He had two 1,000 yard receivers and a third with 700. That's pretty good in my book. They actually have 3 1000 yard receivers as Samuel runs the ball too and is just short of 1000 total yards. Yet here Tedy is with only 2 more total TDs than Cam and 1 less pick. Didn't get covid mid season or play at a severe disadvantage the following 2 weeks. Blame Bill and Josh as Cam is only doing what they "ask him to do". This is a vast difference in talent. Put Anderson Moore and Samuels on this Patriots team, and Cam Newton and this offense are playoff bound. But, we would have had to have drafted 2 talented receivers in Moore and Samuel and paid another one in Anderson. We don't do that. We like having 37 special teamers instead. It works with elite QB play, doesn't without. Cam is a deep ball passer with the worst set of skill players in the NFL. That dog won't hunt. Um passing TDs and rushing TDs are apples and oranges.
Bridgewater has 15 passing TDs, to 5 for Sham. What value has Shams rushing TDs brought the team?
Bridgewater has 3500+ passing yards, Sham has 2400
True Bridgewater has better weapons, but Brady had pretty much the same weapons last year as Sham does this year and won 12 games, Sham has won 6, and been the cause for losing at least 3 games. And don't blame Covid- he's professional football player, not a prima ballerina.
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Post by TrueChamp on Dec 31, 2020 11:57:15 GMT -5
They actually have 3 1000 yard receivers as Samuel runs the ball too and is just short of 1000 total yards. Yet here Tedy is with only 2 more total TDs than Cam and 1 less pick. Didn't get covid mid season or play at a severe disadvantage the following 2 weeks. Blame Bill and Josh as Cam is only doing what they "ask him to do". This is a vast difference in talent. Put Anderson Moore and Samuels on this Patriots team, and Cam Newton and this offense are playoff bound. But, we would have had to have drafted 2 talented receivers in Moore and Samuel and paid another one in Anderson. We don't do that. We like having 37 special teamers instead. It works with elite QB play, doesn't without. Cam is a deep ball passer with the worst set of skill players in the NFL. That dog won't hunt. Um passing TDs and rushing TDs are apples and oranges.
Bridgewater has 15 passing TDs, to 5 for Sham. What value has Shams rushing TDs brought the team?
Bridgewater has 3500+ passing yards, Sham has 2400
True Bridgewater has better weapons, but Brady had pretty much the same weapons last year as Sham does this year and won 12 games, Sham has won 6, and been the cause for losing at least 3 games. And don't blame Covid- he's professional football player, not a prima ballerina.
A TD is a TD is a TD. When we get in the redzone we do not have guys making plays. We cannot scheme guys open because Cam is no Tom Brady and he cannot make up for the complete lack of play making like Brady could. So Cam trucks guys for a score. Having the 3rd most rushing TDs in the league isn't a bad thing. Cam completes 65% of his passes. If plays were there to be made in the redzone he would make some of them. We have next to nothing. We had the worst TE production in the NFL last year. We had worst TE production this year. TE's are known for these in the redzone. What are TDs for 1000 Alex? |
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Post by stuarttaylor17 on Dec 31, 2020 14:16:53 GMT -5
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Post by thejuice on Dec 31, 2020 15:02:01 GMT -5
Hey admin, I think this guy in this Post should be banned. And this post above deleted. He posted it twice in the Rules page too. Guess it’s some type of malware or something. I didn’t click on the link myself but just wanted to warn you and others not to s as well |
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