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Post by johngrant on Oct 17, 2021 20:53:47 GMT -5
If Ferentz wouldn’t of held Mac would’ve been ran over on that play. Someone else mentioned this a game or two back. Often the hold is the only reason that play happens. As you say, Mac was about to get clobbered. Maybe he could’ve ducked and found a check down but he definitely wasn’t making that TD throw.
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Post by garytx on Oct 17, 2021 21:10:55 GMT -5
This is a rebuild. I am looking at year 3 for MAC. Next year maybe wildcard. This year 8-9 or 7-10. I actually think you are being optimistic, looking at the remaining schedule, it is hard to see more than 4 more wins, the Jets next week, ATL on Thursday night, and the last 2 games of the year against Jax and Miami, maybe they can get by Indy on the rd, that makes the Patriots 7-10, best record I can see at this point So the question has to be, how hard to try to be 7-10? 5-12 would get the Patriots much better draft picks in every round, this team is in rebuild mode, whether they want to admit it or not, will they do what they SHOULD have done last year, lose lots of games, stock up lots of high draft picks, and rebuild through the draft? I would have to agree but keep in mind that this team is in a rebuild. The OL can get fixed next draft and FA. Right now it's all trash. We'll have to suffer through another year and hope that Mac doesn't get killed in the process. So keep your head up everybody. Look for the things that you think need change or replacement. The coaching staff has been pretty much picked clean as well so everybody is learning. Certain spots are getting old and may retire anyway. That will put the Pats deeper in the hole. Even after the draft this team will look a bit shaky. More rookies so more mistakes. Right now this team just doesn't know how to finish.
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Post by mikeod on Oct 17, 2021 21:35:36 GMT -5
OMG people. Get off the ledge. This team is actually improving. They have played two highly ranked teams very close. They have been blown out once. The rest of the games lost have been close. Yes, they are inconsistent, a hallmark of teams integrating a lot of new players, including one at the critical QB position. They have lost James White, the equivalent of losing Edelman a year ago. So they are speed learning the young players into that Swiss Army knife role White played so well. The training wheels are being loosened on Mac. Saw some deep throws tonight. The D had more positive moments than previous games, but wore down at the end.
Right now the Patriots are in that middle of the road team that can win or lose every game they play depending on how the breaks fall. It’s different than we’re used to where we would make our own breaks on O or D (or special teams). But the trend is up. These are not the Dolphins.
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Post by cyncalpatsfan on Oct 17, 2021 22:04:43 GMT -5
OMG people. Get off the ledge. This team is actually improving. They have played two highly ranked teams very close. They have been blown out once. The rest of the games lost have been close. Yes, they are inconsistent, a hallmark of teams integrating a lot of new players, including one at the critical QB position. They have lost James White, the equivalent of losing Edelman a year ago. So they are speed learning the young players into that Swiss Army knife role White played so well. The training wheels are being loosened on Mac. Saw some deep throws tonight. The D had more positive moments than previous games, but wore down at the end. Right now the Patriots are in that middle of the road team that can win or lose every game they play depending on how the breaks fall. It’s different than we’re used to where we would make our own breaks on O or D (or special teams). But the trend is up. These are not the Dolphins. Yes, thank you for that. I’m totally with you. I believe this team is perilously close to being successful and I can see them eventually putting together a winning streak. With any luck it begins next week
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Post by bostonts on Oct 17, 2021 23:05:33 GMT -5
OMG people. Get off the ledge. This team is actually improving. They have played two highly ranked teams very close. They have been blown out once. The rest of the games lost have been close. Yes, they are inconsistent, a hallmark of teams integrating a lot of new players, including one at the critical QB position. They have lost James White, the equivalent of losing Edelman a year ago. So they are speed learning the young players into that Swiss Army knife role White played so well. The training wheels are being loosened on Mac. Saw some deep throws tonight. The D had more positive moments than previous games, but wore down at the end. Right now the Patriots are in that middle of the road team that can win or lose every game they play depending on how the breaks fall. It’s different than we’re used to where we would make our own breaks on O or D (or special teams). But the trend is up. These are not the Dolphins. well put, I think this is a very good assessment of where we are at.
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Post by bostonts on Oct 18, 2021 2:56:30 GMT -5
If we were still trotting out an aging veteran QB with a cheap-@ss salary and treading water at QB I'd be feeling similarly to the OP I suspect. But we're not. And not only are we giving a young QB playing time and developing him pretty well, but we're doing it while being competitive against good teams - and, best of all, Mac looks really good so far. So, I can go with this for a season or two. In today's NFL I place a big value on the QB position and I didn't like our scrap heap approach to QB last year, which appeared to lack any kind of a plan. Now I'm good. Granted, I don't think BB has drafted well overall the last few years, but, a good QB makes up for a lot of mediocre draft picks. I understand the frustrations with execution and so forth but I'm rolling with this season just fine.
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Post by backbay on Oct 18, 2021 3:34:08 GMT -5
Good post. You're feeling what others feel. But, there is hope - as Mac Jones' future looks pretty good - if he doesn't get hurt first.
The game yesterday was an emotional roller coaster ride - which was pretty awesome - even if we were on losing end.
The team made too many mistakes in all phases of game - and the coaching from BB and McIdiot was bad.
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Post by patmando on Oct 18, 2021 4:02:05 GMT -5
I would just change the word team to coach and then agree.
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Post by kjfitone on Oct 18, 2021 4:13:55 GMT -5
One thing is for sure. We don't need a QB! Yup, and that's the most important and difficult pieces to find. There are teams that have been trying to find a good qb for 20 years.
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Post by ATJ on Oct 18, 2021 4:27:07 GMT -5
OMG people. Get off the ledge. This team is actually improving. They have played two highly ranked teams very close. They have been blown out once. The rest of the games lost have been close. Yes, they are inconsistent, a hallmark of teams integrating a lot of new players, including one at the critical QB position. They have lost James White, the equivalent of losing Edelman a year ago. So they are speed learning the young players into that Swiss Army knife role White played so well. The training wheels are being loosened on Mac. Saw some deep throws tonight. The D had more positive moments than previous games, but wore down at the end. Right now the Patriots are in that middle of the road team that can win or lose every game they play depending on how the breaks fall. It’s different than we’re used to where we would make our own breaks on O or D (or special teams). But the trend is up. These are not the Dolphins. Well said.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 18, 2021 5:21:36 GMT -5
I'm tired of settling for "moral victories". They're meaningless.
A loss is a loss.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 18, 2021 5:32:13 GMT -5
I'm tired of settling for "moral victories". They're meaningless. A loss is a loss. Though Mac Jones appears to be the answer at quarterback, there are many other holes on this team that need to be filled. They need a quality OT, a stud DT, help at ILB, and their secondary is a disaster. We're in a rebuild mode. There's lots of work to do.
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Post by digger0862 on Oct 18, 2021 6:47:13 GMT -5
I'm tired of settling for "moral victories". They're meaningless. A loss is a loss. I agree but I also think there's more reason for optimism than there is for pessimism.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 18, 2021 7:06:49 GMT -5
I'm tired of settling for "moral victories". They're meaningless. A loss is a loss. I agree but I also think there's more reason for optimism than there is for pessimism. Why? Mac Jones is getting killed because the OL sucks. The defense couldn't stop Dallas all day. When Dallas got stopped, they stopped themselves with penalties. Another blocked punt - right up the middle? Picking up a delay of game penalty right after a time out is truly Jetsonian stuff - and, on the next play came that back breaking pick six. You can be optimistic all you want - but I see an OL that can't protect its quarterback, can't punt block - and usually can't run block. On defense, I see a front 7 that still can't stop the run, and doesn't get consistent pressure on the opposing quarterback - along with a very mediocre secondary, that gets exposed against good teams. This team sucks - and the ray of hope it has, quarterback Mac Jones, is not going to survive much more of the pounding he's taking week after week.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 18, 2021 7:10:27 GMT -5
I agree but I also think there's more reason for optimism than there is for pessimism. Why? Mac Jones is getting killed because the OL sucks. The defense couldn't stop Dallas all day. When Dallas got stopped, they stopped themselves with penalties. Another blocked punt - right up the middle? Picking up a delay of game penalty right after a time out is truly Jetsonian stuff - and, on the next play came that back breaking pick six. You can be optimistic all you want - but I see an OL that can't protect its quarterback, can't punt block - and usually can't run block. On defense, I see a front 7 that still can't stop the run, and doesn't get consistent pressure on the opposing quarterback - along with a very mediocre secondary, that gets exposed against good teams. This team sucks - and the ray of hope it has, quarterback Mac Jones, is not going to survive much more of the pounding he's taking week after week. well, you have changed your tune in a matter of a couple of days
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Post by muzwell on Oct 18, 2021 7:41:34 GMT -5
I would just change the word team to coach and then agree. Really, you’re down on the coach? Im shocked!
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Post by zenape on Oct 18, 2021 7:44:37 GMT -5
All week I had been hearing about how Dallas was the real deal, the best offense in the league, a Super Bowl bound team. We just took that team to OT. And yes we displayed a great deal of flaws while doing so, but still we hung in there and that was anyones game right up until the last moment. This team can't create its own good fortune like we did for many years, but I still think that's a matter of so many new faces from players to coaches being in the building and still needing to gel. Also our two biggest factors coming into this season was the Offensive Line, and the stable of Running Backs. Both have been decimated by injuries and guys who have yet to learn to do certain key and critical things. This team is two fumbles and a flag away from being a completely different team and having one of the better records in the NFL. The one thing we all pretty much agreed on is that this is a team that is in rebuild mode. Rebuild teams don't go to the Super Bowl. I'm not remotely in "Suck for Luck mode", but these games are telling me what we can be rather than who we are, and with that and an eye to the future while you guys are jumping from high places in record numbers I'm thinking what things are going to look like here with a full season of experience together, a couple more play makers, and some key guys back from injury.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 18, 2021 7:50:39 GMT -5
I would say I have lost a lot of faith in some phony fans. But you can’t lose what you never had.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 18, 2021 7:51:10 GMT -5
th.bing.com/th/id/R.a9bf4b1d81893c5aad0d99e291dce11f?rik=fyfJ2hM4H%2bss2g&riu=http%3a%2f%2fgifimage.net%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2017%2f12%2fjump-out-of-window-gif-2.gif&ehk=0LdDOoj6n%2b6rH5c1b20XM%2bvT6%2bDz3xIqT1QGxLetgZg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0All week I had been hearing about how Dallas was the real deal, the best offense in the league, a Super Bowl bound team. We just took that team to OT. And yes we displayed a great deal of flaws while doing so, but still we hung in there and that was anyones game right up until the last moment. This team can't create its own good fortune like we did for many years, but I still think that's a matter of so many new faces from players to coaches being in the building and still needing to gel. Also our two biggest factors coming into this season was the Offensive Line, and the stable of Running Backs. Both have been decimated by injuries and guys who have yet to learn to do certain key and critical things. This team is two fumbles and a flag away from being a completely different team and having one of the better records in the NFL. The one thing we all pretty much agreed on is that this is a team that is in rebuild mode. Rebuild teams don't go to the Super Bowl. I'm not remotely in "Suck for Luck mode", but these games are telling me what we can be rather than who we are, and with that and an eye to the future while you guys are jumping from high places in record numbers I'm thinking what things are going to look like here with a full season of experience together, a couple more play makers, and some key guys back from injury. why does a rebuilding team hold onto an over 30 years old CB until his value is nil? (Gilmore) why does a rebuilding team bring in an over 30 years old LB taking snaps away from younger players? (Collins) why does a rebuilding team bring in a vet free agent LB that is 30 years old taking snaps away from younger players? (KVN) why does a rebuilding team have no idea if young, talented, drafted players can play in the NFL? (Stid, Asiasi, Keene, Jennings, Harry, Wino) why does a rebuilding team sign so many free agents not on the same timeline with the rebuild?
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Post by cyncalpatsfan on Oct 18, 2021 7:54:43 GMT -5
I agree but I also think there's more reason for optimism than there is for pessimism. Why? Mac Jones is getting killed because the OL sucks. The defense couldn't stop Dallas all day. When Dallas got stopped, they stopped themselves with penalties. Another blocked punt - right up the middle? Picking up a delay of game penalty right after a time out is truly Jetsonian stuff - and, on the next play came that back breaking pick six. You can be optimistic all you want - but I see an OL that can't protect its quarterback, can't punt block - and usually can't run block. On defense, I see a front 7 that still can't stop the run, and doesn't get consistent pressure on the opposing quarterback - along with a very mediocre secondary, that gets exposed against good teams. This team sucks - and the ray of hope it has, quarterback Mac Jones, is not going to survive much more of the pounding he's taking week after week. Didn't we witness the Pats' D hold that high powered O to 22 points in regulation time? Didn't we see the Pats' D keep the Dallas O out of the endzone from inside the one yard line? Didn't we see the Pats' O respond to a heart breaking pick six by responding immediately with a score on the very next series? I'm sure I'm overlooking many other positives that we saw. I totally agree that this team continues to be sloppy and undisciplined in a lot of areas, but I also see them making improvements. I remain excited and optimistic about this team.
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Post by cyncalpatsfan on Oct 18, 2021 7:56:24 GMT -5
All week I had been hearing about how Dallas was the real deal, the best offense in the league, a Super Bowl bound team. We just took that team to OT. And yes we displayed a great deal of flaws while doing so, but still we hung in there and that was anyones game right up until the last moment. This team can't create its own good fortune like we did for many years, but I still think that's a matter of so many new faces from players to coaches being in the building and still needing to gel. Also our two biggest factors coming into this season was the Offensive Line, and the stable of Running Backs. Both have been decimated by injuries and guys who have yet to learn to do certain key and critical things. This team is two fumbles and a flag away from being a completely different team and having one of the better records in the NFL. The one thing we all pretty much agreed on is that this is a team that is in rebuild mode. Rebuild teams don't go to the Super Bowl. I'm not remotely in "Suck for Luck mode", but these games are telling me what we can be rather than who we are, and with that and an eye to the future while you guys are jumping from high places in record numbers I'm thinking what things are going to look like here with a full season of experience together, a couple more play makers, and some key guys back from injury. Nailed it.
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Post by salcon on Oct 18, 2021 8:07:48 GMT -5
Face it Patriot "fans" the dynasty is OVER. I was ready for it and it matters not who is responsible for it. Most level-headed fans knew it was going to end sooner or later.
Now, we're just another team of 32 in the league trying to build toward a championship caliber team and that doesn't happen overnight.
I don't like my team losing but I'm enjoying the process towards the goal of making it to and winning a Super Bowl again.
That was an entertaining game yesterday unlike the days of old (pre dynasty) when the Pats were beaten like dusty rugs on a regular basis.
It's not for the weak of heart so either man up or jump the fvck off.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 18, 2021 8:13:03 GMT -5
Face it Patriot "fans" the dynasty is OVER. I was ready for it and it matters not who is responsible for it. Most level-headed fans knew it was going to end sooner or later. Now, we're just another team of 32 in the league trying to build toward a championship caliber team and that doesn't happen overnight. I don't like my team losing but I'm enjoying the process towards the goal of making it to and winning a Super Bowl again. That was an entertaining game yesterday unlike the days of old (pre dynasty) when the Pats were beaten like dusty rugs on a regular basis. It's not for the weak of heart so either man up or jump the fvck off. I do not find posters here weak of heart. as more and more posters come to the conclusion you have, the forum should be a place to discuss how best to accelerate the rebuild, and to aim for SB's. you ask fellow posters to jump the F off. most of us will not. we will post here what we believe would fix this teams issues. what will fix them in your opinion?
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Post by salcon on Oct 18, 2021 8:17:04 GMT -5
Face it Patriot "fans" the dynasty is OVER. I was ready for it and it matters not who is responsible for it. Most level-headed fans knew it was going to end sooner or later. Now, we're just another team of 32 in the league trying to build toward a championship caliber team and that doesn't happen overnight. I don't like my team losing but I'm enjoying the process towards the goal of making it to and winning a Super Bowl again. That was an entertaining game yesterday unlike the days of old (pre dynasty) when the Pats were beaten like dusty rugs on a regular basis. It's not for the weak of heart so either man up or jump the fvck off. I do not find posters here weak of heart. as more and more posters come to the conclusion you have, the forum should be a place to discuss how best to accelerate the rebuild, and to aim for SB's. you ask fellow posters to jump the F off. most of us will not. we will post here what we believe would fix this teams issues. what will fix them in your opinion?
Time and patience. Time we have. Patience is something a lot of fans of today's 'instant gratification' generation don't have. If you don't have it then you can fvck off!
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Post by tanbass on Oct 18, 2021 8:17:47 GMT -5
Lost all faith in the team??? Then stop watching, stop posting, and go away. You're not getting a trophy this year.
Spoiled whining cry-babies.....SMH
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