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Post by TrueChamp on Jan 8, 2024 12:08:10 GMT -5
I posted this a while back. I have no idea where you formed this opinion on Maye, but he is ahead of where Allen was as a prospect and it isn't just the stats. It also isn't really close. We don't know who will become franchise QBs, but I'd rather draft a kid with these intangibles. Drake Maye at 6'4 230 runs a 4.60 40 Josh Allen at 6'5 230 runs a 4.75 40 In 2 years starting 25 games Drake Maye had 7,900 passing yards 62 TDs 16 INT's 65% completion, with another 1,200 rushing yards and 16 more rushing TDs. That's 9,100 total yards 78 TDs. In 2 years starting 25 games Josh Allen had 5,000 passing yards 44 TDS 21 INT's 56% completion, with another 700 rushing yards and 12 more rushing TDS. That's 5.700 total yards 56 TDs. I realize NCAA football can make it tough to compare players, but I think the comps to Josh Allen are spot on for Maye. If anything, he is a more complete prospect! I could be way off on this but I don’t see Maye being as durable as Allen if he runs it at much in the pros as Allen does. Allen is a FreakBeast That is fair, and I probably wouldn't want him to do so. I do think he's a more accurate passer with way better mechanics than Allen and that should help limit tuck and runs..at least compared to Allen. They also use Allen on designed runs more than ever it seems...
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Post by portfolio1 on Jan 8, 2024 12:20:07 GMT -5
I could be way off on this but I don’t see Maye being as durable as Allen if he runs it at much in the pros as Allen does. Allen is a FreakBeast That is fair, and I probably wouldn't want him to do so. I do think he's a more accurate passer with way better mechanics than Allen and that should help limit tuck and runs..at least compared to Allen. They also use Allen on designed runs more than ever it seems... Cam Newton was a freaker beast than Allen running the ball. But look what happened to him. It is not about being built a certain way. It is how and when you run. Fran Tarkenton was a scambler who did his share of running. He lasted a LONG time. Back in the day they were allowed to play football! How did he last so long even compared to QBs of his day that did not run? It was when and how he ran. And BTW I am not a fan of Tarkenton.
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Post by portfolio1 on Jan 8, 2024 12:24:42 GMT -5
Let's take a better version of Josh Allen in Drake Maye. Then find some actual offensive skill players. It’s funny that you say that because as other QB’s start to emerge (and Maye had a few not so great showings), people forget, myself included, that he is on paper very much THAT type of talent. He has the size, the arm, the athleticism, the toughness, and probably the heart/brain to develop into what potentially could be a Burrows/Allen/Rothlisburger, type player. And we should be willing to do everything for that if it’s within reach. And sitting at 3 it very much is within reach. But now we’re hearing of Jayden Daniels, and maybe we should. And we’re hearing Penix, and maybe we again should. But two months ago it was Maye, and now that’s changed in OUR minds, but I’m not sure it has changed in the minds of scouts and the NFL community. To get a Josh Allen rather than a Teddy Bridgewater is a BIG DEAL. To get a Rothlisburger rather than a 24 year old rookie with two torn ACL’s (Penix) is a big deal. But who knows? Penix could become the next Dan Marino. Daniels could become the next Russell Wilson (the earlier model). And Maye could become Sam Darnold, but I’ll take a chance with a kid that is tall, has amazing arm talent, athletic, quick, big, tough. In holes he can improve on a few things that appear to be very coachable. Just my opinion. How about the guy from Michigan? WHen he throws the ball he looks like what we (and BB) might look for. A QB. Who knows his job and knows his best weapon is THROWING the ball. I have yet to see a QB who runs faster than the ball they throw. Not saying I want someone who cannot run. I think the guy form Michigan can. He is just not crazy good at it. And maybe we can trade down and get him or a guy that will pan out to be a strong dangerous QB. I would love to trade down and get a starting LT and a SB caliber QB. ANd as we alllllll know, even a top 3 pick is a crapshoot at QB.
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Post by mthurl on Jan 8, 2024 19:07:02 GMT -5
It’s funny that you say that because as other QB’s start to emerge (and Maye had a few not so great showings), people forget, myself included, that he is on paper very much THAT type of talent. He has the size, the arm, the athleticism, the toughness, and probably the heart/brain to develop into what potentially could be a Burrows/Allen/Rothlisburger, type player. And we should be willing to do everything for that if it’s within reach. And sitting at 3 it very much is within reach. But now we’re hearing of Jayden Daniels, and maybe we should. And we’re hearing Penix, and maybe we again should. But two months ago it was Maye, and now that’s changed in OUR minds, but I’m not sure it has changed in the minds of scouts and the NFL community. To get a Josh Allen rather than a Teddy Bridgewater is a BIG DEAL. To get a Rothlisburger rather than a 24 year old rookie with two torn ACL’s (Penix) is a big deal. But who knows? Penix could become the next Dan Marino. Daniels could become the next Russell Wilson (the earlier model). And Maye could become Sam Darnold, but I’ll take a chance with a kid that is tall, has amazing arm talent, athletic, quick, big, tough. In holes he can improve on a few things that appear to be very coachable. Just my opinion. That's my whole problem. Fake Maye (thanks wonderdrums!) does not have impressive arm talent or pocket presence. Well I totally disagree with you, his arm is the reason why we are talking about him being a top 3 pick. His pocket presence? I don’t think it’s exactly terrible either. I think he forces throws, I think he makes some poor decisions tossing the ball up for grabs under pressure. I think all these things ^^ are fixable. He’s probably light years ahead of where Josh Allen was at this point in his career. IMO
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Post by mthurl on Jan 8, 2024 19:13:47 GMT -5
Both Caleb and MHJ haven't officially declared for the draft yet, which I think is super rare this late in the process. If even one of them stays in college for whatever reason that would be a huge game changer to how the draft and our pick might go. With the new college endorsement money possibilities, there is real incentive for these guys to stay longer instead of making the leap to the pros. My guess is both declare but I'm not as sure as I was before. Yeah that would really change things. Yikes.
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Post by portfolio1 on Jan 8, 2024 19:28:05 GMT -5
Both Caleb and MHJ haven't officially declared for the draft yet, which I think is super rare this late in the process. If even one of them stays in college for whatever reason that would be a huge game changer to how the draft and our pick might go. With the new college endorsement money possibilities, there is real incentive for these guys to stay longer instead of making the leap to the pros. My guess is both declare but I'm not as sure as I was before. Guys that would go that high.... I don't see the value of them staying in college.
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Post by TrueChamp on Jan 8, 2024 19:33:00 GMT -5
x.com/MichaelFFlorio/status/1744495447568421134?s=20Josh Allen ranks among QBs in their first 6 seasons - 5th in attempts - T-4th in pass TDs - 61st in INT - 3rd in rushing yds - 1st in rushing TDs He is tied with Peyton Manning with 167 pass TDs in that span. Manning had 110 INTs, Allen has 78. No one has more total TDs
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Post by TrueChamp on Jan 8, 2024 19:33:31 GMT -5
Give me a Josh Allen kinda QB...
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Post by johngrant on Jan 8, 2024 19:34:14 GMT -5
Both Caleb and MHJ haven't officially declared for the draft yet, which I think is super rare this late in the process. If even one of them stays in college for whatever reason that would be a huge game changer to how the draft and our pick might go. With the new college endorsement money possibilities, there is real incentive for these guys to stay longer instead of making the leap to the pros. My guess is both declare but I'm not as sure as I was before. Guys that would go that high.... I don't see the value of them staying in college. The sooner they start their rookie contract the sooner they can get the contract extension
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 8, 2024 20:32:43 GMT -5
It’s funny that you say that because as other QB’s start to emerge (and Maye had a few not so great showings), people forget, myself included, that he is on paper very much THAT type of talent. He has the size, the arm, the athleticism, the toughness, and probably the heart/brain to develop into what potentially could be a Burrows/Allen/Rothlisburger, type player. And we should be willing to do everything for that if it’s within reach. And sitting at 3 it very much is within reach. But now we’re hearing of Jayden Daniels, and maybe we should. And we’re hearing Penix, and maybe we again should. But two months ago it was Maye, and now that’s changed in OUR minds, but I’m not sure it has changed in the minds of scouts and the NFL community. To get a Josh Allen rather than a Teddy Bridgewater is a BIG DEAL. To get a Rothlisburger rather than a 24 year old rookie with two torn ACL’s (Penix) is a big deal. But who knows? Penix could become the next Dan Marino. Daniels could become the next Russell Wilson (the earlier model). And Maye could become Sam Darnold, but I’ll take a chance with a kid that is tall, has amazing arm talent, athletic, quick, big, tough. In holes he can improve on a few things that appear to be very coachable. Just my opinion. How about the guy from Michigan? WHen he throws the ball he looks like what we (and BB) might look for. A QB. Who knows his job and knows his best weapon is THROWING the ball. I have yet to see a QB who runs faster than the ball they throw. Not saying I want someone who cannot run. I think the guy form Michigan can. He is just not crazy good at it. And maybe we can trade down and get him or a guy that will pan out to be a strong dangerous QB. I would love to trade down and get a starting LT and a SB caliber QB. ANd as we alllllll know, even a top 3 pick is a crapshoot at QB. I get the impression that you think Daniels is a QB who takes off prematurely (like LJ coming out of college) Passes Attempted per Game (Last 2 years in college) Jayden Daniels - 27.5 (YTD prior to CFCG 314 att over 14 games) JJ McCarthy - 22.7 (full year 2023: 327 att over 12 games) Lamar Jackson - 17.8
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Jan 9, 2024 3:51:52 GMT -5
Guys that would go that high.... I don't see the value of them staying in college. The sooner they start their rookie contract the sooner they can get the contract extension Its not that simple anymore. The NIL endorsement deals have changed everything. Now, college athletes can make millions before they even get to the pros. This was reported in December: bleacherreport.com/articles/10100189-report-harrison-jr-henderson-offered-nil-deals-rivaling-1st-round-nfl-draft-moneyIf MHJ is actually getting paid $25 million next year, what would you do in his position? Go to the pros, but risk flaming out and losing out on life-changing money or stay in college get that money now and dominate another season THEN go pro? Its a much harder call than it used to be.
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Post by muzwell on Jan 9, 2024 5:41:08 GMT -5
Both Caleb and MHJ haven't officially declared for the draft yet, which I think is super rare this late in the process. If even one of them stays in college for whatever reason that would be a huge game changer to how the draft and our pick might go. With the new college endorsement money possibilities, there is real incentive for these guys to stay longer instead of making the leap to the pros. My guess is both declare but I'm not as sure as I was before. Guys that would go that high.... I don't see the value of them staying in college. NIL. Allegedly Harrison can make $20 million plus at Ohio State next year. I’d call that value.
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Post by fisher on Jan 9, 2024 6:53:52 GMT -5
I’m not sure about that, but I could be wrong. I don’t see why they don’t either pick Harrison or trade down and add even more. Fields has shown something the past couple months, and he has always had the tools. They’ve invested three years into him, he’s trending upwards now…why trade him? Rumor has it New England would have interest in Fields if available. Wonder what it would be like if we were able to grab him while drafting Harrison? Getting Fields is interesting, but you'd have to give up our 2nd round pick to do so. I'd rather get Jayden Daniels at 3. How about a 3 or 4?
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Post by portfolio1 on Jan 9, 2024 10:22:30 GMT -5
Guys that would go that high.... I don't see the value of them staying in college. NIL. Allegedly Harrison can make $20 million plus at Ohio State next year. I’d call that value. Wow.... I would not of guessed that kind of money.
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Post by thejuice on Jan 9, 2024 10:41:09 GMT -5
Guys that would go that high.... I don't see the value of them staying in college. NIL. Allegedly Harrison can make $20 million plus at Ohio State next year. I’d call that value. i have a hard time believing that is anywhere near accurate. i think i saw a report, where top qbs this year are getting like 2-5 mil in nil money. no way harrison is getting more than that now or going to get 4x time next year to stay 1 more year. now if that was actually true, then yes i could see him staying one more year, but if it isnt near that, then it makes no sense to gamble on injury 1 more year and to delay the 2nd nfl contract clock a year.
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Post by carawaydj on Jan 9, 2024 11:39:29 GMT -5
NIL. Allegedly Harrison can make $20 million plus at Ohio State next year. I’d call that value. i have a hard time believing that is anywhere near accurate. i think i saw a report, where top qbs this year are getting like 2-5 mil in nil money. no way harrison is getting more than that now or going to get 4x time next year to stay 1 more year. now if that was actually true, then yes i could see him staying one more year, but if it isnt near that, then it makes no sense to gamble on injury 1 more year and to delay the 2nd nfl contract clock a year. To put what you say in perspective, I found an article from 2022 that shows Mahomes making $20M/YR in endorsements. Josh Allen made $4M. No freaking way Harrison is actually going to receive $20M. For all of his potential, he doesn't have a fraction of the name/face recognition that those two have.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Jan 9, 2024 11:59:37 GMT -5
Getting Fields is interesting, but you'd have to give up our 2nd round pick to do so. I'd rather get Jayden Daniels at 3. How about a 3 or 4? Well yeah of course that would be highway robbery considering how well Fields has played the past 2 months. There's no chance the Bears will accept that offer even if they're intending to draft Caleb Williams. Some team will give them a 2nd.
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Post by muzwell on Jan 9, 2024 12:29:51 GMT -5
NIL. Allegedly Harrison can make $20 million plus at Ohio State next year. I’d call that value. i have a hard time believing that is anywhere near accurate. i think i saw a report, where top qbs this year are getting like 2-5 mil in nil money. no way harrison is getting more than that now or going to get 4x time next year to stay 1 more year. now if that was actually true, then yes i could see him staying one more year, but if it isnt near that, then it makes no sense to gamble on injury 1 more year and to delay the 2nd nfl contract clock a year. I think it’s conceivable that there is some cajillionaire OSU psycho fan who would pay stupid money for him to stay another year. It would be tempting but it’s almost too much if it’s real. What I mean is what is this guy expecting for all that cash? And yeah, get that NFL clock running. But, it’s definitely enough to get his attention.
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