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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 15:08:05 GMT -5
Wow. I hadn't seen those either. Very disappointing. What’s disappointing? People get worked up over cone times. I wanna see the tape. I really like his tape. What’s disappointing is that Belichick historically places a huge emphasis on 3-cone times for skill position players. JJ’s poor number greatly reduces the odds that he will be drafted by the Patriots.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 14, 2019 19:03:01 GMT -5
Had a bit of a random draft thought today, in regards to a potential target inside the top 50 or so... and am gonna sleep on it tonight to see if I feel the same way tomorrow. Haha
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Post by patslifer on Apr 14, 2019 19:53:06 GMT -5
What’s disappointing? People get worked up over cone times. I wanna see the tape. I really like his tape. What’s disappointing is that Belichick historically places a huge emphasis on 3-cone times for skill position players. JJ’s poor number greatly reduces the odds that he will be drafted by the Patriots. Samuel qualifies
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 14, 2019 19:57:57 GMT -5
For the fun of it I tried to put together some comps for some of the popular WRs: Tried to stay reasonably close to size/testing/and college production.N'Keal Harry -> Dez Bryant Deebo Samuel - > Golden Tate Andy Isabella -> Tyler Lockett Jakobi Meyers -> Mohammed Sanu Stanley Morgan Jr. -> Anthony Miller/Victor Cruz JJ AW -> Kenny Golladay Mecole Hardman -> Eddie Royal/Randall Cobb Miles Boykin -> Chris Conley/ Robert Meachem Hunter Renfrow -> Jeremy Kerley Kelvin Harmon -> Mike Williams(SD) AJ Brown -> Dwayne Bowe Parris Campbell -> Santana Moss Keesean Johnson -> Willie Snead/Jarvis Landry David Sills -> Steve Johnson/Brian Hartline Damarkus Lodge -> Allen Hurns why is everyone ignoring Riley Ridley?
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Post by wazzu on Apr 14, 2019 20:21:22 GMT -5
Had a bit of a random draft thought today, in regards to a potential target inside the top 50 or so... and am gonna sleep on it tonight to see if I feel the same way tomorrow. Haha I'll stay tuned... haha
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 14, 2019 21:38:19 GMT -5
For the fun of it I tried to put together some comps for some of the popular WRs: Tried to stay reasonably close to size/testing/and college production.N'Keal Harry -> Dez Bryant Deebo Samuel - > Golden Tate Andy Isabella -> Tyler Lockett Jakobi Meyers -> Mohammed Sanu Stanley Morgan Jr. -> Anthony Miller/Victor Cruz JJ AW -> Kenny Golladay Mecole Hardman -> Eddie Royal/Randall Cobb Miles Boykin -> Chris Conley/ Robert Meachem Hunter Renfrow -> Jeremy Kerley Kelvin Harmon -> Mike Williams(SD) AJ Brown -> Dwayne Bowe Parris Campbell -> Santana Moss Keesean Johnson -> Willie Snead/Jarvis Landry David Sills -> Steve Johnson/Brian Hartline Damarkus Lodge -> Allen Hurns why is everyone ignoring Riley Ridley? Riley Ridley -> Brandon Gibson/Mario Manningham I don't think people are ignoring him. He is a very good route runner, with good hands and competes and succeeds in contested catches. However he is not an elite or even better than average athlete for the position. He would be a solid mid round pick. He is somewhat difficult to evaluate as he played for Georgia which is more of a run first offense. ...so his production score is not very good because of it. When they did throw he was not a primary. Which means he did not carry a significant load/burden of team market share for targets/receptions. ...that means defenses were not going in focused on stopping just him above all else and makes his job of getting open easier. He also played for one of the better coached teams in college football. Also, because he was playing for Georgia and his older brother was also in Georgia playing for the Falcons they were near each other and often got together to help each other although it was more Calvin passing along the Pro coaching he was getting to his little brother. So, even with all that said Riley did not tear it up. Contrast that with some other players currently evaluated more highly they often tested better as athletes, had a higher production score, were the primary for their offense having a large percentage of team market share for targets/receptions which meant any coach with a clue was coming into games knowing they need to pay a little extra attention to that player and they still had a higher level of success. Also keep in mind when you are looking at rankings, people rank the WR's, or most positions for that matter, as one generic position. However NFL teams are NOT doing that. They are looking for a very specific type of receiver role for their offensive system to complement the other different WR roles they already have for their system. Those specific and unique list rankings are very different.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 15, 2019 8:53:40 GMT -5
Random Draft thought of the day. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson doesn’t make it to 32. I think there are probably some teams high enough on him to take him in the 20’s.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 15, 2019 10:12:47 GMT -5
So, in regards to my random draft thought from last night.
It certainly isn't a new name, or even one that hasn't been mentioned/brought up on this thread.
Why he fits: -Two-time Captain -Premium/elite athlete with great length and a sturdy frame -Electric speed, and can house it from anywhere on the field -RAC monster, with very good contact balance -Versatile chess piece that McD will have fun with -Must be accounted for on every snap, and will consistently stress a D -BB has seen first hand the impact a Tyreek Hill-esque player (4.3 speed) can have. -Impact potential in the return game -Production against top competition
Why he might not fit: -Still developing as a true receiver -Has improved, but not yet a nuanced route runner -"Another Urban player? Haven't they learned their lesson?!" (for the record, he seems like a good dude, and is also a father... not to mention the captaincy) -Relatively unproven vs. press, though his size/length/athleticism suggests he should have success -Has had a few focus drops
Overall: So I was thinking back to previous drafts, and what BB generally targets at the position, particularly early, and it was generally a player with very good/premium athleticism, that can fly, but was a bit raw. I also remember the thought coming out of the 2009 draft, being that Percy Harvin was the guy for them in Rd 1, and when he went off the board a pick earlier (despite off-the-field questions around weed - prob used it to treat the migraines), they ended up trading back and landed Patrick Chung. Fast-forward to this year, and Ohio State WR Parris Campbell might provide him with another shot to land that potentially elite offensive weapon that can be used all over the field, and in multiple formations... as well as in the return game. And as far as where they'd take him? I think he's a solid option for them with one of their first three picks... or at any point in Rd 2, should they decide to move back... and with people hoping for a double dip, I could see them maybe pairing him with more of a high-floor player and/or a true X with size.
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Post by fisher on Apr 15, 2019 10:28:24 GMT -5
With their supposed minimal draft board, gut feeling is they may very well trade up for a specific player if available .. Seems like a good year to do it
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 15, 2019 10:35:22 GMT -5
With their supposed minimal draft board, gut feeling is they may very well trade up for a specific player if available .. Seems like a good year to do it Sure, that's certainly possible, the question then is... who? I'd guess that list is short.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 15, 2019 10:37:58 GMT -5
So, in regards to my random draft though from last night. It certainly isn't a new name, or even one that hasn't been mentioned/brought up on this thread. Why he fits: -Two-time Captain -Premium/elite athlete with great length and a sturdy frame -Electric speed, and can house it from anywhere on the field -RAC monster, with very good contact balance -Versatile chess piece that McD will have fun with -Must be accounted for on every snap, and will consistently stress a D -BB has seen first hand the impact a Tyreek Hill-esque player (4.3 speed) can have. -Impact potential in the return game -Production against top competition Why he might not fit: -Still developing as a true receiver -Has improved, but not yet a nuanced route runner -"Another Urban player? Haven't they learned their lesson?!" (for the record, he seems like a good dude, and is also a father... not to mention the captaincy) -Relatively unproven vs. press, though size/length/athleticism suggests he should have success -Has had a few focus drops Overall: So I was thinking back to previous drafts, and what BB generally targets at the position, particularly early, and it was generally a player with very good/premium athleticism, that can fly, but was a bit raw. I also remember the thought coming out of the 2009 draft, being that Percy Harvin was the guy for them in Rd 1, and when he went off the board a pick earlier (despite off-the-field questions around weed - prob used it to treat the migraines), they ended up trading back and landed Patrick Chung. Fast-forward to this year, and Ohio State WR Parris Campbell might provide him with another shot to land that potentially elite offensive weapon that can be used all over the field, and in multiple formations... as well as in the return game. And as far as where they'd take him? I think he's a solid option for them with one of their first three picks... or at any point in Rd 2, should they decide to move back... and and with people hoping for a double dip, I could see them maybe pairing him with more of a high-floor player and/or a true X with size. I agree. He’s a definite possibility.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 15, 2019 11:23:35 GMT -5
So, in regards to my random draft thought from last night. It certainly isn't a new name, or even one that hasn't been mentioned/brought up on this thread. Why he fits: -Two-time Captain -Premium/elite athlete with great length and a sturdy frame -Electric speed, and can house it from anywhere on the field -RAC monster, with very good contact balance -Versatile chess piece that McD will have fun with -Must be accounted for on every snap, and will consistently stress a D -BB has seen first hand the impact a Tyreek Hill-esque player (4.3 speed) can have. -Impact potential in the return game -Production against top competition Why he might not fit: -Still developing as a true receiver -Has improved, but not yet a nuanced route runner -"Another Urban player? Haven't they learned their lesson?!" (for the record, he seems like a good dude, and is also a father... not to mention the captaincy) -Relatively unproven vs. press, though his size/length/athleticism suggests he should have success -Has had a few focus drops Overall: So I was thinking back to previous drafts, and what BB generally targets at the position, particularly early, and it was generally a player with very good/premium athleticism, that can fly, but was a bit raw. I also remember the thought coming out of the 2009 draft, being that Percy Harvin was the guy for them in Rd 1, and when he went off the board a pick earlier (despite off-the-field questions around weed - prob used it to treat the migraines), they ended up trading back and landed Patrick Chung. Fast-forward to this year, and Ohio State WR Parris Campbell might provide him with another shot to land that potentially elite offensive weapon that can be used all over the field, and in multiple formations... as well as in the return game. And as far as where they'd take him? I think he's a solid option for them with one of their first three picks... or at any point in Rd 2, should they decide to move back... and with people hoping for a double dip, I could see them maybe pairing him with more of a high-floor player and/or a true X with size. You covered pretty much all of it. The only two bits I'll add are that 1) At the Ohio state pro-day most every report I read had him ranked as the 3rd best WR route runner behind both Dixon and MCLaurin 2) I am in the yeah I hope the Pats have learned their lesson camp
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 15, 2019 11:35:48 GMT -5
So, in regards to my random draft thought from last night. It certainly isn't a new name, or even one that hasn't been mentioned/brought up on this thread. Why he fits: -Two-time Captain -Premium/elite athlete with great length and a sturdy frame -Electric speed, and can house it from anywhere on the field -RAC monster, with very good contact balance -Versatile chess piece that McD will have fun with -Must be accounted for on every snap, and will consistently stress a D -BB has seen first hand the impact a Tyreek Hill-esque player (4.3 speed) can have. -Impact potential in the return game -Production against top competition Why he might not fit: -Still developing as a true receiver -Has improved, but not yet a nuanced route runner -"Another Urban player? Haven't they learned their lesson?!" (for the record, he seems like a good dude, and is also a father... not to mention the captaincy) -Relatively unproven vs. press, though his size/length/athleticism suggests he should have success -Has had a few focus drops Overall: So I was thinking back to previous drafts, and what BB generally targets at the position, particularly early, and it was generally a player with very good/premium athleticism, that can fly, but was a bit raw. I also remember the thought coming out of the 2009 draft, being that Percy Harvin was the guy for them in Rd 1, and when he went off the board a pick earlier (despite off-the-field questions around weed - prob used it to treat the migraines), they ended up trading back and landed Patrick Chung. Fast-forward to this year, and Ohio State WR Parris Campbell might provide him with another shot to land that potentially elite offensive weapon that can be used all over the field, and in multiple formations... as well as in the return game. And as far as where they'd take him? I think he's a solid option for them with one of their first three picks... or at any point in Rd 2, should they decide to move back... and with people hoping for a double dip, I could see them maybe pairing him with more of a high-floor player and/or a true X with size. You covered pretty much all of it. The only two bits I'll add are that 1) At the Ohio state pro-day most every report I read had him ranked as the 3rd best WR route runner behind both Dixon and MCLaurin 2) I am in the yeah I hope the Pats have learned their lesson camp Yeah, I don't doubt that... though neither McLaurin or Dixon are the same level prospect... and I wouldn't mind it if they landed either... Mclaurin in the middle rounds, and Dixon on Day 3 or as a UDFA.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 15, 2019 11:42:39 GMT -5
And I finally have a mock created that just feels right, to me. We'll see how I feel on it in 24 hours... or on Thursday, when I might post my final one before draft day. haha
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Post by rkarp on Apr 15, 2019 13:01:11 GMT -5
does Jon Jones signing his tender end the speculation that the Pats would look DB high in the draft? imo yes it does
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 15, 2019 13:26:28 GMT -5
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 15, 2019 13:30:17 GMT -5
Seemed to have consistent, be it, relatively minimal production over the last three seasons. Haven't seen any of his tape.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 15, 2019 13:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 15, 2019 13:42:15 GMT -5
Is there a player in this draft that you have kinda come full-circle on? At one point you liked them, then didn't like them, but have renewed interest in them the closer we get to the draft? Or even the opposite scenario... didn't like them, then liked them, but are back to not liking them?
For me, I'm leaning towards Will Grier. Now, some of the decision making can be maddening, and his arm is probably only average, but he does seem to have ample confidence and that alpha-leader persona, and that's something you really want in your QB. He'll also need some time to acclimate to a more pro-style system, after operating in the Air Raid, and would be granted that in NE, as The GOAT should be around for a few more seasons. And I've also heard him mention that his OC built some of their offense/scheme based on what they do in NE... and that he's watched a lot of film of TB.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 15, 2019 14:23:49 GMT -5
does Jon Jones signing his tender end the speculation that the Pats would look DB high in the draft? imo yes it does id tend to agree with you, yes. but as we all know, the pats always stick to their board. and with their board being on the small size overall, if they deem the best player on the board is a CB at 32, and they cant trade down, they'll take that CB at 32.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 15, 2019 16:26:40 GMT -5
And I finally have a mock created that just feels right, to me. We'll see how I feel on it in 24 hours... or on Thursday, when I might post my final one before draft day. haha Nice. I’ll be looking forward to it. I’ll have a final next week
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Post by fisher on Apr 15, 2019 16:44:41 GMT -5
With their supposed minimal draft board, gut feeling is they may very well trade up for a specific player if available .. Seems like a good year to do it Sure, that's certainly possible, the question then is... who? I'd guess that list is short. My guess is either Christian Wilkins, T J Hockenson, C Ferrell..
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 15, 2019 17:56:42 GMT -5
23 Confirmed, so far, draft attendees:
QB: (3) Kyler Murray Drew Lock Daniel Jones
DT: (3) Quinnen Williams Ed Oliver Christian Wilkins
OL: (4) Andre Dillard Cody Ford Jawaan Taylor Jonah Williams
WR: (2) DK Metcalf Marquise Brown
TE: (2) TJ Hockenson Noah Fant
CB: (2) Deandre Baker Greedy Williams
RB: (1) Josh Jacobs
LB: (3) Devin White Devin Bush Josh Allen
DE: (3) Nick Bosa Brian Burns Montez Sweat
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 15, 2019 18:12:28 GMT -5
Is there a player in this draft that you have kinda come full-circle on? At one point you liked them, then didn't like them, but have renewed interest in them the closer we get to the draft? Or even the opposite scenario... didn't like them, then liked them, but are back to not liking them? For me, I'm leaning towards Will Grier. Now, some of the decision making can be maddening, and his arm is probably only average, but he does seem to have ample confidence and that alpha-leader persona, and that's something you really want in your QB. He'll also need some time to acclimate to a more pro-style system, after operating in the Air Raid, and would be granted that in NE, as The GOAT should be around for a few more seasons. And I've also heard him mention that his OC built some of their offense/scheme based on what they do in NE... and that he's watched a lot of film of TB. Daniel Jones... I've done nothing but incessantly rip the poor bastard. However, if he did indeed have both the worst offensive line in college football last season and one of the worst receiving cores that had the 2nd most drops.... well then perhaps I've been too harsh? He did probably have one of the most efficient if not the most efficient performances of the Sr. Bowl QBs while playing with a better OL and receiving corp this year. While I would not say I've done a 180, I am less harshly critical of him now.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 15, 2019 18:47:51 GMT -5
Is there a player in this draft that you have kinda come full-circle on? At one point you liked them, then didn't like them, but have renewed interest in them the closer we get to the draft? Or even the opposite scenario... didn't like them, then liked them, but are back to not liking them? For me, I'm leaning towards Will Grier. Now, some of the decision making can be maddening, and his arm is probably only average, but he does seem to have ample confidence and that alpha-leader persona, and that's something you really want in your QB. He'll also need some time to acclimate to a more pro-style system, after operating in the Air Raid, and would be granted that in NE, as The GOAT should be around for a few more seasons. And I've also heard him mention that his OC built some of their offense/scheme based on what they do in NE... and that he's watched a lot of film of TB. Daniel Jones... I've done nothing but incessantly rip the poor bastard. However, if he did indeed have both the worst offensive line in college football last season and one of the worst receiving cores that had the 2nd most drops.... well then perhaps I've been too harsh? He did probably have one of the most efficient if not the most efficient performances of the Sr. Bowl QBs while playing with a better OL and receiving corp this year. While I would not say I've done a 180, I am less harshly critical of him now. Good post, man.
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