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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 6:18:33 GMT -5
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 8:36:57 GMT -5
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 9:30:00 GMT -5
Def seems to echo a lot of what we've discussed on here, in regards to SEA and NE.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 16, 2019 12:01:23 GMT -5
One thing that I'm kind of expecting, is for us to take an offensive tackle before the end of the second. Can't see them walking into the season with Wynn as the only option at left tackle...not when your QB is 42 and likes to throw the ball.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 12:20:07 GMT -5
One thing that I'm kind of expecting, is for us to take an offensive tackle before the end of the second. Can't see them walking into the season with Wynn as the only option at left tackle...not when your QB is 42 and likes to throw the ball. Risner or McGary at some point in the first two rounds makes a lot of sense, though neither really projects as a LT. I also hope they don't take Greg Little, who might be able to play LT, but I really don't like his overall effort and/or the consistency with which he finishes plays. I also think Wynn is a stud, and that it'll be his job to lose.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 16, 2019 12:25:16 GMT -5
One thing that I'm kind of expecting, is for us to take an offensive tackle before the end of the second. Can't see them walking into the season with Wynn as the only option at left tackle...not when your QB is 42 and likes to throw the ball. Risner or McGary at some point in the first two rounds makes a lot of sense, though neither really projects as a LT. I also hope they don't take Greg Little, who might be able to play LT, but I really don't like his overall effort and/or the consistency with which he finishes plays. I also think Wynn is a stud, and that it'll be his job to lose. I read somewhere that they like greg little a lot . Don’t know if he would be there in the 50s. Our coach can turn him into a stud.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 12:32:55 GMT -5
Risner or McGary at some point in the first two rounds makes a lot of sense, though neither really projects as a LT. I also hope they don't take Greg Little, who might be able to play LT, but I really don't like his overall effort and/or the consistency with which he finishes plays. I also think Wynn is a stud, and that it'll be his job to lose. I read somewhere that they like greg little a lot . Don’t know if he would be there in the 50s. Our coach can turn him into a stud. To be fair, no one really knows who they like... and I personally don't like players that don't give a consistent effort and/or finish plays... particularly one that might be tasked with protecting The GOAT's blindside.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 12:39:02 GMT -5
I read somewhere that they like greg little a lot . Don’t know if he would be there in the 50s. Our coach can turn him into a stud. To be fair, no one really knows who they like... and I personally don't like players that don't give a consistent effort and/or finish plays... particularly one that might be tasked with protecting The GOAT's blindside. It annoys me every time I hear people talk about him to the Pats. Flat out quits and stops trying on some plays. If the Pats do take him he better take out insurance on his ass because Scar will have it grass in short order.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 12:40:48 GMT -5
There sure are a handful of guys that fit that typical Pats mold on the DL in this draft.
Those not the fastest but strong, powerful dudes, heavier than many other teams look at or like with gorilla length arms.
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 16, 2019 12:52:31 GMT -5
There sure are a handful of guys that fit that typical Pats mold on the DL in this draft. Those not the fastest but strong, powerful dudes, heavier than many other teams look at or like with gorilla length arms. Agree - the defensive philosophy for the line is 'control' they don't want freelancing that opens lanes for the QB or for running backs, and most great pass rushers are all about freelancing. Especially at DT, the two gap control is 'out of fashion' and it means there is less competition and less monetary commitment to the players the Pats favor. And on the edge, most teams pay premium for pass rush, the pats are looking for the ability to set and hold the edge.
The big change last year was the linebackers and DBs were turned loose a little more to provide the pressure on the pocket. It made the defense a little less predictable.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 14:18:26 GMT -5
On the topic of DT's, while some of it might be scheme, available personnel and even health, there's quite a bit of disparity between the qty/% of defense snaps that Big Vince used to pay, vs. what we've seen since he left.
Below are the qty/% of snaps for the top NE DT, dating back to 2012:
2018- Lawrence Guy - 519 - 49.76% 2017- Lawrence Guy - 582 - 54.91% 2016- Alan Branch - 626 - 60.02% 2015- Malcom Brown - 508 - 46.52% 2014- Vince Wilfork - 802 - 73.58% 2013- It would have been Wilfork, had he not gotten injured, as he started out the year playing 81%, 87.3 and 71% over the first (3) games. 2012- Vince Wilfork - 891 - 81.30%
I say think because the more I think about it, the more I think Dexter is the pick, if he's there at #32... if it's not Irv, haha. It just makes too much sense... as there doesn't seem to be a coach that's appreciated and/or better utilized a big boy in the middle, more than BB.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 14:44:14 GMT -5
On the topic of DT's, while some of it might be scheme, available personnel and even health, there's quite a bit of disparity between the qty/% of defense snaps that Big Vince used to pay, vs. what we've seen since he left. Below are the qty/% of snaps for the top NE DT, dating back to 2012: 2018- Lawrence Guy - 519 - 49.76% 2017- Lawrence Guy - 582 - 54.91% 2016- Alan Branch - 626 - 60.02% 2015- Malcom Brown - 508 - 46.52% 2014- Vince Wilfork - 802 - 73.58%2013- It would have been Wilfork, had he not gotten injured, as he started out the year playing 81%, 87.3 and 71% over the first (3) games. 2012- Vince Wilfork - 891 - 81.30%I say think because the more I think about it, the more I think Dexter is the pick, if he's there at #32... if it's not Irv, haha. It just makes too much sense... as there doesn't seem to be a coach that's appreciated and/or better utilized a big boy in the middle, more than BB. You know I've said Dexter for some time now but I honestly have no idea. I always go back to BB saying look guys that size that are also that athletic just don't come around very often. Dex had 7 sacks in 2017. Something change, ask him to focus on something else in 2018, more on his plate? Who knows. The other thing is he is just a baby as he's one of the younger players in the draft. On the down side, the obvious PED suspension and the Clemson DL playing well without him in the championship game. Who knows what his character is like.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 14:46:15 GMT -5
The short list of payers who have confirmed two separate meetings with the Patriots...
Ben Banogu Joejuan Williams Blake Cashman Jace Sternberger A.J. Brown
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 16, 2019 14:55:32 GMT -5
On the topic of DT's, while some of it might be scheme, available personnel and even health, there's quite a bit of disparity between the qty/% of defense snaps that Big Vince used to pay, vs. what we've seen since he left. Below are the qty/% of snaps for the top NE DT, dating back to 2012: 2018- Lawrence Guy - 519 - 49.76% 2017- Lawrence Guy - 582 - 54.91% 2016- Alan Branch - 626 - 60.02% 2015- Malcom Brown - 508 - 46.52% 2014- Vince Wilfork - 802 - 73.58%2013- It would have been Wilfork, had he not gotten injured, as he started out the year playing 81%, 87.3 and 71% over the first (3) games. 2012- Vince Wilfork - 891 - 81.30%I say think because the more I think about it, the more I think Dexter is the pick, if he's there at #32... if it's not Irv, haha. It just makes too much sense... as there doesn't seem to be a coach that's appreciated and/or better utilized a big boy in the middle, more than BB. I think Vince played mostly at a time where the Pats preferred front was 3 4, partly because he was so dominant at nose. They seem to be more of a 4 3 since he left. It isn't just the nose, but also that dominant 3 4 DE is hard to find as well.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 16, 2019 14:56:20 GMT -5
On the topic of DT's, while some of it might be scheme, available personnel and even health, there's quite a bit of disparity between the qty/% of defense snaps that Big Vince used to pay, vs. what we've seen since he left. Below are the qty/% of snaps for the top NE DT, dating back to 2012: 2018- Lawrence Guy - 519 - 49.76% 2017- Lawrence Guy - 582 - 54.91% 2016- Alan Branch - 626 - 60.02% 2015- Malcom Brown - 508 - 46.52% 2014- Vince Wilfork - 802 - 73.58%2013- It would have been Wilfork, had he not gotten injured, as he started out the year playing 81%, 87.3 and 71% over the first (3) games. 2012- Vince Wilfork - 891 - 81.30%I say think because the more I think about it, the more I think Dexter is the pick, if he's there at #32... if it's not Irv, haha. It just makes too much sense... as there doesn't seem to be a coach that's appreciated and/or better utilized a big boy in the middle, more than BB. Yep. I’m near certain that Belichick would draft Dexter over Irv if both were available. I don’t think Dexter gets to 32, though.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 15:11:03 GMT -5
On the topic of DT's, while some of it might be scheme, available personnel and even health, there's quite a bit of disparity between the qty/% of defense snaps that Big Vince used to pay, vs. what we've seen since he left. Below are the qty/% of snaps for the top NE DT, dating back to 2012: 2018- Lawrence Guy - 519 - 49.76% 2017- Lawrence Guy - 582 - 54.91% 2016- Alan Branch - 626 - 60.02% 2015- Malcom Brown - 508 - 46.52% 2014- Vince Wilfork - 802 - 73.58%2013- It would have been Wilfork, had he not gotten injured, as he started out the year playing 81%, 87.3 and 71% over the first (3) games. 2012- Vince Wilfork - 891 - 81.30%I say think because the more I think about it, the more I think Dexter is the pick, if he's there at #32... if it's not Irv, haha. It just makes too much sense... as there doesn't seem to be a coach that's appreciated and/or better utilized a big boy in the middle, more than BB. I think Vince played mostly at a time where the Pats preferred front was 3 4, partly because he was so dominant at nose. They seem to be more of a 4 3 since he left. It isn't just the nose, but also that dominant 3 4 DE is hard to find as well. I'm not certain when they moved to more of a 4-3 base, but have seen reference to him in that scheme dating back to 2011 and 2012... hand they've a bit of a hybrid front for a while. He was also a scheme/front diverse talent, which helped him stay on the field in most situations.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 15:12:26 GMT -5
On the topic of DT's, while some of it might be scheme, available personnel and even health, there's quite a bit of disparity between the qty/% of defense snaps that Big Vince used to pay, vs. what we've seen since he left. Below are the qty/% of snaps for the top NE DT, dating back to 2012: 2018- Lawrence Guy - 519 - 49.76% 2017- Lawrence Guy - 582 - 54.91% 2016- Alan Branch - 626 - 60.02% 2015- Malcom Brown - 508 - 46.52% 2014- Vince Wilfork - 802 - 73.58%2013- It would have been Wilfork, had he not gotten injured, as he started out the year playing 81%, 87.3 and 71% over the first (3) games. 2012- Vince Wilfork - 891 - 81.30%I say think because the more I think about it, the more I think Dexter is the pick, if he's there at #32... if it's not Irv, haha. It just makes too much sense... as there doesn't seem to be a coach that's appreciated and/or better utilized a big boy in the middle, more than BB. You know I've said Dexter for some time now but I honestly have no idea.I always go back to BB saying look guys that size that are also that athletic just don't come around very often. Dex had 7 sacks in 2017. Something change, ask him to focus on something else in 2018, more on his plate? Who knows. The other thing is he is just a baby as he's one of the younger players in the draft. On the down side, the obvious PED suspension and the Clemson DL playing well without him in the championship game. Who knows what his character is like. Yeah, tough one to nail down for sure. Agree on the age and PED comments (I like his backup, Albert Huggins, on Day 3, or maybe even the middle rounds). Also a plus that he was a captain.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 15:13:45 GMT -5
On the topic of DT's, while some of it might be scheme, available personnel and even health, there's quite a bit of disparity between the qty/% of defense snaps that Big Vince used to pay, vs. what we've seen since he left. Below are the qty/% of snaps for the top NE DT, dating back to 2012: 2018- Lawrence Guy - 519 - 49.76% 2017- Lawrence Guy - 582 - 54.91% 2016- Alan Branch - 626 - 60.02% 2015- Malcom Brown - 508 - 46.52% 2014- Vince Wilfork - 802 - 73.58%2013- It would have been Wilfork, had he not gotten injured, as he started out the year playing 81%, 87.3 and 71% over the first (3) games. 2012- Vince Wilfork - 891 - 81.30%I say think because the more I think about it, the more I think Dexter is the pick, if he's there at #32... if it's not Irv, haha. It just makes too much sense... as there doesn't seem to be a coach that's appreciated and/or better utilized a big boy in the middle, more than BB. Yep. I’m near certain that Belichick would draft Dexter over Irv if both were available. I don’t think Dexter gets to 32, though.Yeah, we'll know soon enough.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 15:30:06 GMT -5
The short list of payers who have confirmed two separate meetings with the Patriots... Ben Banogu Joejuan Williams Blake Cashman Jace Sternberger A.J. Brown I wonder what their plan would be for Williams... bit of an intriguing player. Humongous CB, with good movement agility and athleticism, but the speed isn't anything special. Possible ace against TE's/bigger WR'sin man... I'll have to give it a look.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 17:36:50 GMT -5
The short list of payers who have confirmed two separate meetings with the Patriots... Ben Banogu Joejuan Williams Blake Cashman Jace Sternberger A.J. Brown I wonder what their plan would be for Williams... bit of an intriguing player. Humongous CB, with good movement agility and athleticism, but the speed isn't anything special. Possibly ace against TE's/bigger WR'sin man... I'll have to give it a look. Maybe this goes directly to his comments about having to have someone to cover those giant WRs? We know how he prefers to build his teams trying to have a match up or mismatch for every team/situation. Could also be nothing but smoke.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2019 17:42:41 GMT -5
I wonder what their plan would be for Williams... bit of an intriguing player. Humongous CB, with good movement agility and athleticism, but the speed isn't anything special. Possibly ace against TE's/bigger WR'sin man... I'll have to give it a look. Maybe this goes directly to his comments about having to have someone to cover those giant WRs? We know how he prefers to build his teams trying to have a match up or mismatch for every team/situation. Could also be nothing but smoke. Haha, yep... the master mindfvckery of BB.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Apr 16, 2019 18:51:09 GMT -5
we need TEs and WRs
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Post by olemiss on Apr 16, 2019 19:31:08 GMT -5
To be fair, no one really knows who they like... and I personally don't like players that don't give a consistent effort and/or finish plays... particularly one that might be tasked with protecting The GOAT's blindside. It annoys me every time I hear people talk about him to the Pats. Flat out quits and stops trying on some plays. If the Pats do take him he better take out insurance on his ass because Scar will have it grass in short order. Don't sell Greg Little short, Low! All-America second team (Walter Camp, FWAA, Sporting News, Phil Steele, CollegeFootballNews.com) … Earned first team All-SEC (Coaches, AP) … Finalist for the Earl Campbell Tyler Rose Award presented to the best offensive player in the NCAA from Texas or a college in Texas … On the 2018 Outland Trophy watch list … Started all 12 games at left tackle ... Pass protected for Ole Miss offense that led SEC and finished fifth nationally in passing offense .. Earned Midseason All-America Second Team by Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Associated Press and Athlon ... Over 2 years and 966 pass blocking opportunities, gave up only 3 sacks. U and MB be wrong here, imo!
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 19:58:11 GMT -5
It annoys me every time I hear people talk about him to the Pats. Flat out quits and stops trying on some plays. If the Pats do take him he better take out insurance on his ass because Scar will have it grass in short order. Don't sell Greg Little short, Low! All-America second team (Walter Camp, FWAA, Sporting News, Phil Steele, CollegeFootballNews.com) … Earned first team All-SEC (Coaches, AP) … Finalist for the Earl Campbell Tyler Rose Award presented to the best offensive player in the NCAA from Texas or a college in Texas … On the 2018 Outland Trophy watch list … Started all 12 games at left tackle ... Pass protected for Ole Miss offense that led SEC and finished fifth nationally in passing offense .. Earned Midseason All-America Second Team by Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Associated Press and Athlon ... Over 2 years and 966 pass blocking opportunities, gave up only 3 sacks. U and MB be wrong here, imo! I'm not really worried if they go that way because Scar will rip him a new one anytime he comes close to doing that lazy crap I see on tape. Just like he did with Trent Brown. Just wish he was more self motivated. Here is his poor RAS score card which was somewhat surprising because I thought he was suppose to be a much better athlete than that. He does have super long arms though. In the video you can see what MB and I are talking about. There is good stuff as well. He is simply uneven and you wish he was more consistently locked in. Like I said he best take insurance out on his ass because Scar won't be having any of that weak effort shit.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 16, 2019 20:02:59 GMT -5
To be fair, no one really knows who they like... and I personally don't like players that don't give a consistent effort and/or finish plays... particularly one that might be tasked with protecting The GOAT's blindside. It annoys me every time I hear people talk about him to the Pats. Flat out quits and stops trying on some plays. If the Pats do take him he better take out insurance on his ass because Scar will have it grass in short order. We don’t need players like that then (yet we just signed D Thomas)... Pass on little
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