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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 20:16:53 GMT -5
It annoys me every time I hear people talk about him to the Pats. Flat out quits and stops trying on some plays. If the Pats do take him he better take out insurance on his ass because Scar will have it grass in short order. We don’t need players like that then (yet we just signed D Thomas)... Pass on little The thing that most cracks me up about the Thomas signing is people complaining because they have unrealistic expectations for "Rookie" WRs and TEs coming into the NFL. Thomas had his worst statistical season last year since his "rookie" season but was still better than his rookie season. People should go look at the rookie seaosns for some of the best in the game like Deandre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski. They act like boo no we should not sign any old veteran for a year. We should just draft players. ...even though the Pats draft "last" AND the transition to the pros for those positions especially take time to really adapt to the NFL game. Those three players I just mentioned in their rookie years, well one was a TE and really not apples to apples, were basically similar to Thomas' worst season since his rookie season. ...and those were from players ultimately becoming the best in the league. What kind of production do people actually think they are going to get from the avg player in his "rookie" season?
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Post by patslifer on Apr 16, 2019 20:46:20 GMT -5
We don’t need players like that then (yet we just signed D Thomas)... Pass on little The thing that most cracks me up about the Thomas signing is people complaining because they have unrealistic expectations for "Rookie" WRs and TEs coming into the NFL. Thomas had his worst statistical season last year since his "rookie" season but was still better than his rookie season. People should go look at the rookie seaosns for some of the best in the game like Deandre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski. They act like boo no we should not sign any old veteran for a year. We should just draft players. ...even though the Pats draft "last" AND the transition to the pros for those positions especially take time to really adapt to the NFL game. Those three players I just mentioned in their rookie years, well one was a TE and really not apples to apples, were basically similar to Thomas' worst season since his rookie season. ...and those were from players ultimately becoming the best in the league. What kind of production do people actually think they are going to get from the avg player in his "rookie" season? Good points. I think it depends. I think a reasonable expectation is dependent upon the selection. Take your Guy Stanley Morgan Jr. I think it’s reasonable to assume he could do something like 32 receptions, 415 yards, 2 TDs A kid like Samuel in our offense should be good for like 45, 620, 4 tds. I’d be happy with the above for each player.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 20:50:49 GMT -5
The thing that most cracks me up about the Thomas signing is people complaining because they have unrealistic expectations for "Rookie" WRs and TEs coming into the NFL. Thomas had his worst statistical season last year since his "rookie" season but was still better than his rookie season. People should go look at the rookie seaosns for some of the best in the game like Deandre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski. They act like boo no we should not sign any old veteran for a year. We should just draft players. ...even though the Pats draft "last" AND the transition to the pros for those positions especially take time to really adapt to the NFL game. Those three players I just mentioned in their rookie years, well one was a TE and really not apples to apples, were basically similar to Thomas' worst season since his rookie season. ...and those were from players ultimately becoming the best in the league. What kind of production do people actually think they are going to get from the avg player in his "rookie" season? Good points. I think it depends. I think a reasonable expectation is dependent upon the selection. Take your Guy Stanley Morgan Jr. I think it’s reasonable to assume he could do something like 32 receptions, 415 yards, 2 TDs A kid like Samuel in our offense should be good for like 45, 620, 4 tds. I’d be happy with the above for each player. Yes, if they have opportunity because you got nothing. That is not ideal though. Aaron Dobson had 37 and 519 because he had opportunity because nothing was there. ...but remember how he was thought of his rookie year.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 16, 2019 20:54:36 GMT -5
Good points. I think it depends. I think a reasonable expectation is dependent upon the selection. Take your Guy Stanley Morgan Jr. I think it’s reasonable to assume he could do something like 32 receptions, 415 yards, 2 TDs A kid like Samuel in our offense should be good for like 45, 620, 4 tds. I’d be happy with the above for each player. Yes, if they have opportunity because you got nothing. That is not ideal though. Aaron Dobson had 37 and 519 because he had opportunity because nothing was there. ...but remember how he was thought of his rookie year. I think the frustration with Dobson was his uncanny ability to drop routine catches one play and make highlight reel catches the next. He was inconsistent. If I am drafting a kid like Samuel I am giving him opportunity. He’s out there day 1 and he’s producing in some capacity.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 16, 2019 23:21:26 GMT -5
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 17, 2019 7:21:02 GMT -5
Using TDN's Mock Machine and selecting the highest player listed for each pick.
32 Jonah Williams , OT Alabama
56 Rock Ya-Sin , CB Temple
64 Emanuel Hall , WR Missouri
73 Andy Isabella , WR UMass
97 JJ Arcega-Whiteside , WR Stanford
101 Dax Raymond , TE Utah State
134 Damien Harris , RB Alabama
205 Brett Rypien , QB Boise State
239 Terronne Prescod , IOL NC State
243 T.J. Edwards , LB Wisconsin
246 Austin Bryant , EDGE Clemson
252 Greg Gaines , IDL Washington
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Post by patslifer on Apr 17, 2019 7:58:55 GMT -5
That last scenario outlined in the video with the 4 team trade was crazy. What I found interesting was the Ebron Idea. This is Ebron's last year under contract. With the Giants extending Shepherd, do they do a new contract for Ebron next year or this year? I tried going back and looking at your comps with TEs in this class compared to Ebron. I thought you had posted their respective SPARQ scores? How does Ebron stack up against Fant, Sternberger, etc? Would you do a straight up trade for Ebron using a player or draft pick?
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 17, 2019 8:08:16 GMT -5
Using TDN's Mock Machine and selecting the highest player listed for each pick. 32 Jonah Williams , OT Alabama 56 Rock Ya-Sin , CB Temple 64 Emanuel Hall , WR Missouri 73 Andy Isabella , WR UMass 97 JJ Arcega-Whiteside , WR Stanford 101 Dax Raymond , TE Utah State 134 Damien Harris , RB Alabama 205 Brett Rypien , QB Boise State 239 Terronne Prescod , IOL NC State 243 T.J. Edwards , LB Wisconsin 246 Austin Bryant , EDGE Clemson 252 Greg Gaines , IDL Washington That would be a very nice class for sure.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 17, 2019 8:17:19 GMT -5
Why y'all making me go on ESPN?!
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 17, 2019 8:36:56 GMT -5
I would love for isabella and arceaga to be pats. Have the pats even met with arceaga this offseason?
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 17, 2019 9:21:15 GMT -5
I would love for isabella and arceaga to be pats. Have the pats even met with arceaga this offseason? yes at the combine
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Post by wazzu on Apr 17, 2019 9:27:14 GMT -5
Mock Draft...About a Week Away...
32. Dexter Lawrence. DL. Clemson. Honestly, it’s probably 50/50 that Lawrence makes it to 32, but if he does I think it will be too good for Belichick to pass up. Huge against the run and great athleticism for his size. He’s also young. The PEDs will scare some teams, and may be the only reason he makes it to 32...if he does.
NE trades #56 & #134 to Tennessee for #51
51. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. Campbell is a true burner. He’s lightning fast on the football field and a threat to score from anywhere. The problem is that his route running and mechanics are really raw. He will be useful early on with jet sweeps/screens, etc, but his development as a WR at the NFL level will take some time. I don’t think he goes 1st Rnd for this reason, but if he gets too deep into the 2nd then Belichick may go get him.
64. Jace Sternberger. TE. Texas A&M. There’s been quite a bit of smoke linking NE to Sternberger. I’ll buy in. He’s an athletic TE with good size. He can contribute in the passing game early on and give Brady a field stretcher up the seam, which is very important to this offense. He’s young and pretty raw as a blocker, so that will need a lot of work. Plenty of upside.
73. Anthony Nelson. DE. Iowa. I’m sold on this guy. Huge Edge presence at 6’7, he has the athleticism to get after the QB and the strength/versatility to set the edge. You can line him up anywhere on the DL.
97. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve covered Evans a few times. I think his future is at guard, but he has All-Pro ability there. I think Thuney walks in FA and nets NE another nice Comp Pick.
NE trades #101 & #252 to CLE for #119 & #144
NE trades #119 to MIN for a 2020 3rd
#144. Sheldrick Redwine. S. Miami. Honestly, I’m not sure why Redwine isn’t rated higher. He’s got the size and the athleticism and he played at a big program in Miami. He is a little reckless at times, though. If Belichick is confident that he can keep Redwine disciplined in coverage he could be a target. He should have the luxury of learning under one of the best in DMC.
NE trades #205 & #246 to HOU for #195
195. Martez Ivey. OT. Florida. Ivey is a big brawler of a RT. He’s kind of gotten lost in teammate Taylor’s spotlight, but Ivey would make a great developmental RT and a possible future Cannon replacement.
239. James Williams. RB. Wazzu. Ok, fine. Maybe I’m making this Pick with my heart and just hoping he lasts until a point in this draft where NE can get him. Williams is a great but undersized receiver out of the backfield. A beloved teammate as well. A year behind the Great James White in a system like NE would be the best case scenario for his career. I’m really rooting for him.
243. Porter Gustin. DE. USC. Gustin has big time upside as a pass rusher but injuries have held him back. With DE so deep in this class, I think he may fall a long ways. High upside Pick late here.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 17, 2019 9:45:17 GMT -5
Mock Draft...About a Week Away... 32. Dexter Lawrence. DL. Clemson. Honestly, it’s probably 50/50 that Lawrence makes it to 32, but if he does I think it will be too good for Belichick to pass up. Huge against the run and great athleticism for his size. He’s also young. The PEDs will scare some teams, and may be the only reason he makes it to 32...if he does. NE trades #56 & #134 to Tennessee for #51 51. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. Campbell is a true burner. He’s lightning fast on the football field and a threat to score from anywhere. The problem is that his route running and mechanics are really raw. He will be useful early on with jet sweeps/screens, etc, but his development as a WR at the NFL level will take some time. I don’t think he goes 1st Rnd for this reason, but if he gets too deep into the 2nd then Belichick may go get him. 64. Jace Sternberger. TE. Texas A&M. There’s been quite a bit of smoke linking NE to Sternberger. I’ll buy in. He’s an athletic TE with good size. He can contribute in the passing game early on and give Brady a field stretcher up the seam, which is very important to this offense. He’s young and pretty raw as a blocker, so that will need a lot of work. Plenty of upside. 73. Anthony Nelson. DE. Iowa. I’m sold on this guy. Huge Edge presence at 6’7, he has the athleticism to get after the QB and the strength/versatility to set the edge. You can line him up anywhere on the DL. 97. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve covered Evans a few times. I think his future is at guard, but he has All-Pro ability there. I think Thuney walks in FA and nets NE another nice Comp Pick. NE trades #101 & #252 to CLE for #119 & #144 NE trades #119 to MIN for a 2020 3rd #144. Sheldrick Redwine. S. Miami. Honestly, I’m not sure why Redwine isn’t rated higher. He’s got the size and the athleticism and he played at a big program in Miami. He is a little reckless at times, though. If Belichick is confident that he can keep Redwine disciplined in coverage he could be a target. He should have the luxury of learning under one of the best in DMC. NE trades #205 & #246 to HOU for #195 195. Martez Ivey. OT. Florida. Ivey is a big brawler of a RT. He’s kind of gotten lost in teammate Taylor’s spotlight, but Ivey would make a great developmental RT and a possible future Cannon replacement. 239. James Williams. RB. Wazzu. Ok, fine. Maybe I’m making this Pick with my heart and just hoping he lasts until a point in this draft where NE can get him. Williams is a great but undersized receiver out of the backfield. A beloved teammate as well. A year behind the Great James White in a system like NE would be the best case scenario for his career. I’m really rooting for him. 243. Porter Gustin. DE. USC. Gustin has big time upside as a pass rusher but injuries have held him back. With DE so deep in this class, I think he may fall a long ways. High upside Pick late here. Haha we're thinking a lot of the same things, man... good stuff.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 17, 2019 9:50:27 GMT -5
Mock Draft...About a Week Away... 32. Dexter Lawrence. DL. Clemson. Honestly, it’s probably 50/50 that Lawrence makes it to 32, but if he does I think it will be too good for Belichick to pass up. Huge against the run and great athleticism for his size. He’s also young. The PEDs will scare some teams, and may be the only reason he makes it to 32...if he does. NE trades #56 & #134 to Tennessee for #51 51. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. Campbell is a true burner. He’s lightning fast on the football field and a threat to score from anywhere. The problem is that his route running and mechanics are really raw. He will be useful early on with jet sweeps/screens, etc, but his development as a WR at the NFL level will take some time. I don’t think he goes 1st Rnd for this reason, but if he gets too deep into the 2nd then Belichick may go get him. 64. Jace Sternberger. TE. Texas A&M. There’s been quite a bit of smoke linking NE to Sternberger. I’ll buy in. He’s an athletic TE with good size. He can contribute in the passing game early on and give Brady a field stretcher up the seam, which is very important to this offense. He’s young and pretty raw as a blocker, so that will need a lot of work. Plenty of upside. 73. Anthony Nelson. DE. Iowa. I’m sold on this guy. Huge Edge presence at 6’7, he has the athleticism to get after the QB and the strength/versatility to set the edge. You can line him up anywhere on the DL. 97. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve covered Evans a few times. I think his future is at guard, but he has All-Pro ability there. I think Thuney walks in FA and nets NE another nice Comp Pick. NE trades #101 & #252 to CLE for #119 & #144 NE trades #119 to MIN for a 2020 3rd #144. Sheldrick Redwine. S. Miami. Honestly, I’m not sure why Redwine isn’t rated higher. He’s got the size and the athleticism and he played at a big program in Miami. He is a little reckless at times, though. If Belichick is confident that he can keep Redwine disciplined in coverage he could be a target. He should have the luxury of learning under one of the best in DMC. NE trades #205 & #246 to HOU for #195 195. Martez Ivey. OT. Florida. Ivey is a big brawler of a RT. He’s kind of gotten lost in teammate Taylor’s spotlight, but Ivey would make a great developmental RT and a possible future Cannon replacement. 239. James Williams. RB. Wazzu. Ok, fine. Maybe I’m making this Pick with my heart and just hoping he lasts until a point in this draft where NE can get him. Williams is a great but undersized receiver out of the backfield. A beloved teammate as well. A year behind the Great James White in a system like NE would be the best case scenario for his career. I’m really rooting for him. 243. Porter Gustin. DE. USC. Gustin has big time upside as a pass rusher but injuries have held him back. With DE so deep in this class, I think he may fall a long ways. High upside Pick late here. Haha we're thinking a lot of the same things, man... good stuff. Ha! I guess that's a good thing, right? As they say, great minds think alike! Seriously, to me, this mock has the best "feel" out of any that I've done. We'll see. I'll probably do one more next Thursday or so.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 17, 2019 9:56:07 GMT -5
That last scenario outlined in the video with the 4 team trade was crazy. What I found interesting was the Ebron Idea. This is Ebron's last year under contract. With the Giants extending Shepherd, do they do a new contract for Ebron next year or this year? I tried going back and looking at your comps with TEs in this class compared to Ebron. I thought you had posted their respective SPARQ scores? How does Ebron stack up against Fant, Sternberger, etc? Would you do a straight up trade for Ebron using a player or draft pick? I'm assuming you meant Engram not Ebron SPARQ Fant(6'4, 247): 145.7 Engram(6'3, 234): 137.3 Stepen Anderson(6'2, 230): 129.3 Hollister(6'4, 245): 124.4 Sternberger(6'4, 251): 106.8 Irv Smith Jr(6'2, 242): 106.7 Gronk 260+ Allen 260+ Crumpler 270+ Hernandez 250+ Watson 250+ Graham 250+ Baker 260+ Mathews 270+ Brady 270+ Spach 260+ Hooman 260+ Mulligan 250+ Thomas 248 (slightest I recall)
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Post by patslifer on Apr 17, 2019 10:18:33 GMT -5
That last scenario outlined in the video with the 4 team trade was crazy. What I found interesting was the Ebron Idea. This is Ebron's last year under contract. With the Giants extending Shepherd, do they do a new contract for Ebron next year or this year? I tried going back and looking at your comps with TEs in this class compared to Ebron. I thought you had posted their respective SPARQ scores? How does Ebron stack up against Fant, Sternberger, etc? Would you do a straight up trade for Ebron using a player or draft pick? I'm assuming you meant Engram not Ebron SPARQ Fant(6'4, 247): 145.7 Engram(6'3, 234): 137.3 Stepen Anderson(6'2, 230): 129.3 Hollister(6'4, 245): 124.4 Sternberger(6'4, 251): 106.8 Irv Smith Jr(6'2, 242): 106.7 Gronk 260+ Allen 260+ Crumpler 270+ Hernandez 250+ Watson 250+ Graham 250+ Baker 260+ Mathews 270+ Brady 270+ Spach 260+ Hooman 260+ Mulligan 250+ Thomas 248 (slightest I recall) Yes Engram. Not sure what I was thinking there. Interesting. Would you trade 32 for Engram?
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Post by thejuice on Apr 17, 2019 10:57:24 GMT -5
While that 4 team trade would be outstanding it really doesn’t make sense for half the teams involved but the three team trade involving us Washington and Arizona actually does. I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on reeds talent even though he’s often injured if it also got us a young defensive end in nkemidiche and only moving down 14 draft spots. I would be totally OK with that.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 17, 2019 11:02:22 GMT -5
That last scenario outlined in the video with the 4 team trade was crazy. What I found interesting was the Ebron Idea. This is Ebron's last year under contract. With the Giants extending Shepherd, do they do a new contract for Ebron next year or this year? I tried going back and looking at your comps with TEs in this class compared to Ebron. I thought you had posted their respective SPARQ scores? How does Ebron stack up against Fant, Sternberger, etc? Would you do a straight up trade for Ebron using a player or draft pick? I’d trade it takes 64 or 73 for Evan Engram from the Giants in a second. Heck if I had to do a trade pick 56 I would but I’d rather it be 64 or 73. Having those three picks right in a row it wouldn’t stop me from making a trade for a receiver or tight end if it had to be 56 versus one of the other two.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 17, 2019 11:04:30 GMT -5
Mock Draft...About a Week Away... 32. Dexter Lawrence. DL. Clemson. Honestly, it’s probably 50/50 that Lawrence makes it to 32, but if he does I think it will be too good for Belichick to pass up. Huge against the run and great athleticism for his size. He’s also young. The PEDs will scare some teams, and may be the only reason he makes it to 32...if he does. NE trades #56 & #134 to Tennessee for #51 51. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. Campbell is a true burner. He’s lightning fast on the football field and a threat to score from anywhere. The problem is that his route running and mechanics are really raw. He will be useful early on with jet sweeps/screens, etc, but his development as a WR at the NFL level will take some time. I don’t think he goes 1st Rnd for this reason, but if he gets too deep into the 2nd then Belichick may go get him. 64. Jace Sternberger. TE. Texas A&M. There’s been quite a bit of smoke linking NE to Sternberger. I’ll buy in. He’s an athletic TE with good size. He can contribute in the passing game early on and give Brady a field stretcher up the seam, which is very important to this offense. He’s young and pretty raw as a blocker, so that will need a lot of work. Plenty of upside. 73. Anthony Nelson. DE. Iowa. I’m sold on this guy. Huge Edge presence at 6’7, he has the athleticism to get after the QB and the strength/versatility to set the edge. You can line him up anywhere on the DL. 97. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve covered Evans a few times. I think his future is at guard, but he has All-Pro ability there. I think Thuney walks in FA and nets NE another nice Comp Pick. NE trades #101 & #252 to CLE for #119 & #144 NE trades #119 to MIN for a 2020 3rd #144. Sheldrick Redwine. S. Miami. Honestly, I’m not sure why Redwine isn’t rated higher. He’s got the size and the athleticism and he played at a big program in Miami. He is a little reckless at times, though. If Belichick is confident that he can keep Redwine disciplined in coverage he could be a target. He should have the luxury of learning under one of the best in DMC. NE trades #205 & #246 to HOU for #195 195. Martez Ivey. OT. Florida. Ivey is a big brawler of a RT. He’s kind of gotten lost in teammate Taylor’s spotlight, but Ivey would make a great developmental RT and a possible future Cannon replacement. 239. James Williams. RB. Wazzu. Ok, fine. Maybe I’m making this Pick with my heart and just hoping he lasts until a point in this draft where NE can get him. Williams is a great but undersized receiver out of the backfield. A beloved teammate as well. A year behind the Great James White in a system like NE would be the best case scenario for his career. I’m really rooting for him. 243. Porter Gustin. DE. USC. Gustin has big time upside as a pass rusher but injuries have held him back. With DE so deep in this class, I think he may fall a long ways. High upside Pick late here. Good stuff. That would be an amazing draft. I especially love the first five picks and getting James Williams towards the end.
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 17, 2019 12:52:38 GMT -5
Mock Draft...About a Week Away... 32. Dexter Lawrence. DL. Clemson. Honestly, it’s probably 50/50 that Lawrence makes it to 32, but if he does I think it will be too good for Belichick to pass up. Huge against the run and great athleticism for his size. He’s also young. The PEDs will scare some teams, and may be the only reason he makes it to 32...if he does. NE trades #56 & #134 to Tennessee for #51 51. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. Campbell is a true burner. He’s lightning fast on the football field and a threat to score from anywhere. The problem is that his route running and mechanics are really raw. He will be useful early on with jet sweeps/screens, etc, but his development as a WR at the NFL level will take some time. I don’t think he goes 1st Rnd for this reason, but if he gets too deep into the 2nd then Belichick may go get him. 64. Jace Sternberger. TE. Texas A&M. There’s been quite a bit of smoke linking NE to Sternberger. I’ll buy in. He’s an athletic TE with good size. He can contribute in the passing game early on and give Brady a field stretcher up the seam, which is very important to this offense. He’s young and pretty raw as a blocker, so that will need a lot of work. Plenty of upside. 73. Anthony Nelson. DE. Iowa. I’m sold on this guy. Huge Edge presence at 6’7, he has the athleticism to get after the QB and the strength/versatility to set the edge. You can line him up anywhere on the DL. 97. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve covered Evans a few times. I think his future is at guard, but he has All-Pro ability there. I think Thuney walks in FA and nets NE another nice Comp Pick. NE trades #101 & #252 to CLE for #119 & #144 NE trades #119 to MIN for a 2020 3rd #144. Sheldrick Redwine. S. Miami. Honestly, I’m not sure why Redwine isn’t rated higher. He’s got the size and the athleticism and he played at a big program in Miami. He is a little reckless at times, though. If Belichick is confident that he can keep Redwine disciplined in coverage he could be a target. He should have the luxury of learning under one of the best in DMC. NE trades #205 & #246 to HOU for #195 195. Martez Ivey. OT. Florida. Ivey is a big brawler of a RT. He’s kind of gotten lost in teammate Taylor’s spotlight, but Ivey would make a great developmental RT and a possible future Cannon replacement. 239. James Williams. RB. Wazzu. Ok, fine. Maybe I’m making this Pick with my heart and just hoping he lasts until a point in this draft where NE can get him. Williams is a great but undersized receiver out of the backfield. A beloved teammate as well. A year behind the Great James White in a system like NE would be the best case scenario for his career. I’m really rooting for him. 243. Porter Gustin. DE. USC. Gustin has big time upside as a pass rusher but injuries have held him back. With DE so deep in this class, I think he may fall a long ways. High upside Pick late here. A fellow Dexter Lawrence guy! I think he would be a steal at 32 and quite possible that he is available. I'd love that pick. Zero issues with Campbell or Burger.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 17, 2019 12:57:47 GMT -5
This seems like a such a trenches kind of draft to me
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Post by patslifer on Apr 17, 2019 12:58:08 GMT -5
That last scenario outlined in the video with the 4 team trade was crazy. What I found interesting was the Ebron Idea. This is Ebron's last year under contract. With the Giants extending Shepherd, do they do a new contract for Ebron next year or this year? I tried going back and looking at your comps with TEs in this class compared to Ebron. I thought you had posted their respective SPARQ scores? How does Ebron stack up against Fant, Sternberger, etc? Would you do a straight up trade for Ebron using a player or draft pick? I’d trade it takes 64 or 73 for Evan Engram from the Giants in a second. Heck if I had to do a trade pick 56 I would but I’d rather it be 64 or 73. Having those three picks right in a row it wouldn’t stop me from making a trade for a receiver or tight end if it had to be 56 versus one of the other two. Well Fant is considered a 1st round pick by many. His SPARQ is just slightly better than Engram's, but Engram has pro experience & production on his side. Would you give up 32 for Engram? OR, would you trade 32 + one of the 2nds to move up for Fant? Personally, I'd trade 32 for Engram like we did for Cooks. Get Engram under contract long term and then use our 2nds as intended. We don't have any TE's or WRs on the roster with big contracts. All very manageable, so paying Engram a little coin probably isn't a bad business decision. The question with him would he thrive in our system? OR, do you just try to draft a kid like Sternberger or Smith? Lot's to kick around.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 17, 2019 12:58:41 GMT -5
This seems like a such a trenches kind of draft to me I will hold with my thought that we go OL first.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 17, 2019 13:10:59 GMT -5
Mock Draft...About a Week Away... 32. Dexter Lawrence. DL. Clemson. Honestly, it’s probably 50/50 that Lawrence makes it to 32, but if he does I think it will be too good for Belichick to pass up. Huge against the run and great athleticism for his size. He’s also young. The PEDs will scare some teams, and may be the only reason he makes it to 32...if he does. NE trades #56 & #134 to Tennessee for #51 51. Paris Campbell. WR. Ohio St. Campbell is a true burner. He’s lightning fast on the football field and a threat to score from anywhere. The problem is that his route running and mechanics are really raw. He will be useful early on with jet sweeps/screens, etc, but his development as a WR at the NFL level will take some time. I don’t think he goes 1st Rnd for this reason, but if he gets too deep into the 2nd then Belichick may go get him. 64. Jace Sternberger. TE. Texas A&M. There’s been quite a bit of smoke linking NE to Sternberger. I’ll buy in. He’s an athletic TE with good size. He can contribute in the passing game early on and give Brady a field stretcher up the seam, which is very important to this offense. He’s young and pretty raw as a blocker, so that will need a lot of work. Plenty of upside. 73. Anthony Nelson. DE. Iowa. I’m sold on this guy. Huge Edge presence at 6’7, he has the athleticism to get after the QB and the strength/versatility to set the edge. You can line him up anywhere on the DL. 97. Bobby Evans. OL. Oklahoma. I’ve covered Evans a few times. I think his future is at guard, but he has All-Pro ability there. I think Thuney walks in FA and nets NE another nice Comp Pick. NE trades #101 & #252 to CLE for #119 & #144 NE trades #119 to MIN for a 2020 3rd #144. Sheldrick Redwine. S. Miami. Honestly, I’m not sure why Redwine isn’t rated higher. He’s got the size and the athleticism and he played at a big program in Miami. He is a little reckless at times, though. If Belichick is confident that he can keep Redwine disciplined in coverage he could be a target. He should have the luxury of learning under one of the best in DMC. NE trades #205 & #246 to HOU for #195 195. Martez Ivey. OT. Florida. Ivey is a big brawler of a RT. He’s kind of gotten lost in teammate Taylor’s spotlight, but Ivey would make a great developmental RT and a possible future Cannon replacement. 239. James Williams. RB. Wazzu. Ok, fine. Maybe I’m making this Pick with my heart and just hoping he lasts until a point in this draft where NE can get him. Williams is a great but undersized receiver out of the backfield. A beloved teammate as well. A year behind the Great James White in a system like NE would be the best case scenario for his career. I’m really rooting for him. 243. Porter Gustin. DE. USC. Gustin has big time upside as a pass rusher but injuries have held him back. With DE so deep in this class, I think he may fall a long ways. High upside Pick late here. Nice. Although I'm kinda lukewarm on Paris Campbell. He's got great, raw talent, but I'd prefer someone like Samuel there if possible who is more polished, better route runner and just savage like in his play demeanor. I'd be okay with Jace @ 64 but man would I love to strike a trade up in 2nd or pick at 64 and grab Isabella. I think between Samuel, Isabella, Edelman those are tough cats to cover and all with great quicks and dangerous after the catch and seem to fit our offense really well. You can move those 3 all around the formation, X, Y & Z. Love the James Williams pick at 239. That would be a good get at that point. Lawrence @ 32 would be a steal.
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Post by olemiss on Apr 17, 2019 13:18:27 GMT -5
U will not have D Lawrence at #32, stop smokin weed! And Parris Cambell ain't sh*T on AJ Brown. U 2 just look it up!
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