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Post by thejuice on Apr 17, 2019 13:25:22 GMT -5
I’d trade it takes 64 or 73 for Evan Engram from the Giants in a second. Heck if I had to do a trade pick 56 I would but I’d rather it be 64 or 73. Having those three picks right in a row it wouldn’t stop me from making a trade for a receiver or tight end if it had to be 56 versus one of the other two. Well Fant is considered a 1st round pick by many. His SPARQ is just slightly better than Engram's, but Engram has pro experience & production on his side. Would you give up 32 for Engram? OR, would you trade 32 + one of the 2nds to move up for Fant? Personally, I'd trade 32 for Engram like we did for Cooks. Get Engram under contract long term and then use our 2nds as intended. We don't have any TE's or WRs on the roster with big contracts. All very manageable, so paying Engram a little coin probably isn't a bad business decision. The question with him would he thrive in our system? OR, do you just try to draft a kid like Sternberger or Smith? Lot's to kick around. perhaps id move 32 for engram if we got their early 3rd back with him... or a 2nd rder next year. if it took 56 to get him, I would do it.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 17, 2019 13:51:44 GMT -5
U will not have D Lawrence at #32, stop smokin weed! And Parris Cambell ain't sh*T on AJ Brown. U 2 just look it up! D Lawrence will fall into the 20s. I wonder if bill would trade up to get a player like that in the trenches.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 17, 2019 14:12:25 GMT -5
It's funny how Dexter Lawrence as gone from not being a Rd 1 lock, to, he's not gonna be available when NE is on the clock, in the matter of like 72 hours.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 17, 2019 14:12:50 GMT -5
U will not have D Lawrence at #32, stop smokin weed! And Parris Cambell ain't sh*T on AJ Brown. U 2 just look it up! If only Greg Little played as hard as you talk.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 17, 2019 14:36:06 GMT -5
This whole pop culture player comp thread is funny...
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 17, 2019 19:14:02 GMT -5
I'm assuming you meant Engram not Ebron SPARQ Fant(6'4, 247): 145.7 Engram(6'3, 234): 137.3 Stepen Anderson(6'2, 230): 129.3 Hollister(6'4, 245): 124.4 Sternberger(6'4, 251): 106.8 Irv Smith Jr(6'2, 242): 106.7 Gronk 260+ Allen 260+ Crumpler 270+ Hernandez 250+ Watson 250+ Graham 250+ Baker 260+ Mathews 270+ Brady 270+ Spach 260+ Hooman 260+ Mulligan 250+ Thomas 248 (slightest I recall) Yes Engram. Not sure what I was thinking there. Interesting. Would you trade 32 for Engram? I don't think the Pats would no. The Pats are a size team. I am not sure they are looking for a big WR at the TE position? Who knows.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 18, 2019 1:00:54 GMT -5
My bold prediction is the Patriots trade up and draft Noah Fant.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 18, 2019 9:57:14 GMT -5
It seems like every single year, some prospect falls to the end of the first round who no one thought could possibly fall that far. Who is this year’s candidate to be the “I can’t believe he’s STILL AVAILBALE! guy?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 18, 2019 10:31:37 GMT -5
I watched (3) games of Vanderbilt CB Joejuan Williams this morning:
Georgia 2018 South Carolina 2018 Ole Miss 2018
What I liked: -I mean, the guy is huge. -Really good feet and COD, particularly for a big, tall CB -Can smother a WR in man coverage, due to his size/length -Solid awareness in zone -Competitive at the catch point -Coverage diverse -Frequently pitted against good competition
What I didn't like: -He's big and long, but I think he plays small vs. the run. -I think smaller, quicker WR's and/or good route runners could give him trouble, if they get a clean release -If he's beaten, he doesn't really have the makeup speed to recover -His ability to stay stuck to blocks on the perimeter is a concern -He'll tackle, but he plays like a much smaller player in that regard... didn't see much thump. -He had a really tough game vs. Georgia
Overall: I guess I wanted to like him more than I did. I'm partial to physical DB's that generally punch up in weight-class, and feel like Williams plays smaller than he should, particularly vs. the run. I do see obvious man/zone coverage ability, and think he could be a weapon vs. TE's and bigger WR's, so I get the allure there. I don't love the player, but would be interested to see how BB would utilize him.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 18, 2019 10:44:04 GMT -5
It seems like every single year, some prospect falls to the end of the first round who no one thought could possibly fall that far. Who is this year’s candidate to be the “I can’t believe he’s STILL AVAILBALE! guy? Good question... I'll go with Clelin Ferrell or Noah Fant... Ferrell because he's a solid player but not a premium athlete, and Fant because he's currently more WR than TE.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 18, 2019 12:09:38 GMT -5
It seems like every single year, some prospect falls to the end of the first round who no one thought could possibly fall that far. Who is this year’s candidate to be the “I can’t believe he’s STILL AVAILBALE! guy? Good question... I'll go with Clelin Ferrell or Noah Fant... Ferrell because he's a solid player but not a premium athlete, and Fant because he's currently more WR than TE. I was going to say Ferrell too.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 18, 2019 13:20:37 GMT -5
It seems like every single year, some prospect falls to the end of the first round who no one thought could possibly fall that far. Who is this year’s candidate to be the “I can’t believe he’s STILL AVAILBALE! guy? Good question... I'll go with Clelin Ferrell or Noah Fant... Ferrell because he's a solid player but not a premium athlete, and Fant because he's currently more WR than TE. Good thoughts. I was going to say Ferrell as well. The depth of the age players in this class could lead teams to believe they can get a good guy at that position later in the draft. Personally I think he’s a top 20 player in this class, but there’s a chance he slips. He would make a tremendous pick at 32 if he got there
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 18, 2019 13:31:21 GMT -5
Did anyone check out Anthony Ratliff-Williams from NC?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 18, 2019 13:57:57 GMT -5
Did anyone check out Anthony Ratliff-Williams from NC? I was gonna, then I read this on his NFL.com profile and kind of lost interest. Not sure if it's true, but chose to spend time on other prospects. "He has to play hard all the time. I feel like some of what you see on tape is inexperience at the position and some of it is just him going through the motions." -- Director of scouting for NFC team
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 18, 2019 15:17:35 GMT -5
Good question... I'll go with Clelin Ferrell or Noah Fant... Ferrell because he's a solid player but not a premium athlete, and Fant because he's currently more WR than TE. Good thoughts. I was going to say Ferrell as well. The depth of the age players in this class could lead teams to believe they can get a good guy at that position later in the draft. Personally I think he’s a top 20 player in this class, but there’s a chance he slips. He would make a tremendous pick at 32 if he got there Yeah, I personally don't think he'll drop either, but tried to make an educated guess, based on player that "no one thought could possibly fall that far"... and don't really feel like there are many that would. And on this topic, if a guy like Bradbury falls to 32, then man, there aren't many better fits in this class.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 18, 2019 15:39:32 GMT -5
Good thoughts. I was going to say Ferrell as well. The depth of the age players in this class could lead teams to believe they can get a good guy at that position later in the draft. Personally I think he’s a top 20 player in this class, but there’s a chance he slips. He would make a tremendous pick at 32 if he got there Yeah, I personally don't think he'll drop either, but tried to make an educated guess, based on player that "no one thought could possibly fall that far"... and don't really feel like there are many that would. And on this topic, if a guy like Bradbury falls to 32, then man, there aren't many better fits in this class. Bradbury would indeed be a classic Patriots late 1st Round Pick.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 18, 2019 19:43:07 GMT -5
Is that actually placement in tight windows? Or is it really more success rate when throwing into tight windows? Finley's WRs - Harmon and that guy on the opposite sideline - boosted his completion rate by maybe 5 pct pts.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 18, 2019 19:57:37 GMT -5
Is that actually placement in tight windows? Or is it really more success rate when throwing into tight windows? Finley's WRs - Harmon and that guy on the opposite sideline - boosted his completion rate by maybe 5 pct pts. You are talking about Meyers, he is a good route runner and receiver. That is the thing when trying to eval these guys. Who helped or hurt who more? Finley: had Harmon & Meyers Ta'Amu: had DK, A.J., Lodge & Knox Grier: had Sills, Jennings, & Wesco Haskins: had Campbell, MsLaurin, & Dixon Lock: had Hall & ? Bueller? (Blanton I guess) Jones: had ? Bueller?
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 18, 2019 23:09:42 GMT -5
Rapid fire safety clips...
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Post by wazzu on Apr 19, 2019 8:54:13 GMT -5
So I watched some film of Irv Smith Jr again this morning. Nothing new, but I wanted to see his stuff again. Man, he’s a good player. I was really bummed about his height, and more importantly his arm length after the combine, but I’m over it. He just does a lot of things very well. He would be a real good player in NE, and in the end that’s all you can ask for. I’d still prefer Fant, but that’s looking very unlikely. I’m good with Smith Jr.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 19, 2019 9:30:34 GMT -5
Rapid fire safety clips... I wish we had a 40 time for Edwards.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 19, 2019 13:16:31 GMT -5
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 19, 2019 13:37:49 GMT -5
I obviously missed this about a guy I like more than most people seem to
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 19, 2019 16:10:13 GMT -5
At this point I feel like we all agree the Patriots are drafting at least one of each, in no particular order: OT, WR, TE, DE.
...and that they will take at least 7 players
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Post by wazzu on Apr 19, 2019 16:21:55 GMT -5
At this point I feel like we all agree the Patriots are drafting at least one of each, in no particular order: OT, WR, TE, DE. ...and that they will take at least 7 players Probabaly a fair assumption. I think they will draft at least 9 guys
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